Minister. Louis. Farrakhan

[harry brown]

Minister.  Farrakhan.   Talks. About. The. Jewish.  Racist.   White ,,America. ,,But. Not. Black  People.  That. Genocides. The. Black.  Community. ,,Every  Day. ...Lot   Of. Jewish. Is. Racist.   Israel. Is. A. Racist. Country.  .Racist. White. America.  All. Religions.  ,Both.  Political. Parties. ..He. Does. Not. Talk. About. Preachers. In. Prison. For   Raping. Black.  Children.  ,Murdering. Their. Wives. ,Stealing. ,,,Some  Caught. With. Prostitutes  ,Some. ,,Got,,Their. Girlfriends. ,Pregnant. ....Racist. White. Dump.  Drugs. And. Guns.  In. Inner. City.  Black.  Community.   For. Black. Men. To.  Find. And. Genocide.  Black...Communities.  .......Black. Men.  Who,Have,,,. ,10,,20,,30. ,Children. Not. Being. Responsible. ...Black .females. Who. Love. ,,Men. .Who. Are. Irresponsible. ,,Not. Involved. With. Their. Children. ........I. Wonder. If. Black . Unity.  .Will. Ever. Happen. !!

[ProfD]

In his heyday, the honorable minister Louis Farrakhan spoke out against the problems that plague Black folks. 

 

I don't believe his health allows Minister Farrakhan to be the same fire-brand mouth-piece on a full-time basis.  

 

Seems Minister Farrakhan is either semi- or fully-retired from being the national spokesman for the Nation of Islam. 

 

Minister Farrakhan's last keynote address was Saviour's Day 2024.  He made a brief appearance in 2025. 

 

Time for new blood in Black leadership to step up to the plate.  The old guard has to rest.

[Pioneer1]

Trust me, the Nation of Islam gets on Black folks but in a positive and corrective way.
Not in a way that reinforces the low self esteem that so many of our people already suffer from.
They do it with CORRECTIVE criticism.

They just don't do it in public....and they shouldn't.
Family business stays IN the family.

If your child steals something or lies, you don't drag them to the middle of the block and whoop them in front of the entire neighborhood.
You take them behind closed doors, let them know what they did was wrong, and THEN you go to "work" on that ass -if need be (sometimes punishment isn't needed depending on the child)


You don't go all over Youtube dissing your own people and calling them "no good niggaz" and "baby mamma makers" like Jesse Lee Peterson and Pastor Manning.
When you love somebody you firmly but humanely point out their errors while at the same time offering them the correction and solution and a better way to talk and live.

 

I don't think anybody else on here...atleast anyone who posts here on a regular basis...criticizes our people like I do, lol.
But I do it HERE...among family.
Like Malcolm X said...you get behind closed doors with your family and TALK SHOCK.

I'll tell you QUICK that a lot of these niggaz are dumb as hell and ain't shit.
But I don't go in White spaces saying that or talking about how silly and criminal minded a lot of our people are because it only benefits White folks who enjoy hearing it.
Hearing and seeing the dysfunction of our people makes White folks feel better about themselves and superior.

When you go to a NOI Temple/Mosque one of the first things they do is line you up and search you and your belongings from head to toe and even manhandle you if you resist.
And then they'll explain to you WHY there's a search procedure because of the crime and vices and immorality in the community.
They're trained to deal with the hard headedness and rebelliousness of our people.

[aka Contrarian]

Get real. All a white person has to do is  go on line and monitor black open forums and, if so inclined, quote all the bad things Blacks are on record as saying about their own people. 

The strident vociferous Farrakhan,  leading his life of luxury  from his palatial domain  has made very few in-roads and  had minimal impact on the problems of the vast black community.

We are the same age, and over the years, when it comes to widespread, long term progress, he has emerged as little more  than a cult leader. 

[Pioneer1]

He did HIS job.

He can't save everybody.

For over 50 years he's been showing brothers and sisters the right way to form and raise families, get off drugs, stay out of trouble and prison, and live productive and for the most part successful lives.
THOUSANDS of Black men and women can attest to this and are very thankful for his efforts.

Infact back in 1995 he called over a million Black men to show up to D.C. and told them to go back home, take care of their families, leave the drugs alone, become leaders in their communities, and BUILD.

How many of them followed that advice?

Like any minister, if he gives you the word...it's up to YOU to listen to it and follow the advice.

Now if YOU choose not to do that....that's more of a reflection of YOU and not HIM.

[aka Contrarian]

All of which adds up to the very mundane conclusion that there is  nothing extraordinary about Minister Farrakhan. 

[Pioneer1]

9 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

All of which adds up to the very mundane conclusion that there is  nothing extraordinary about Minister Farrakhan. 

Well.....
Can YOU call for a Million Black men or women to meet YOU in Washington D.C.....and they actually show up?

How many people do you KNOW who can do this?

If he was able to do this and there was "nothing extraordinary" about him, what does that say about you and the others who couldn't call up a million FLIES to meet up in one place....let alone a million Black men?

[aka Contrarian]

Why be so silly as to compare me to him? I am neither a minister, nor a black leader! But as you said, MINISTER Farrakhan was doing his job which consists of what  thousands of ministers  all over the country do; upifting sinners - with varying degrees of success.  Nor is there any way of knowing how many followed the directive he issued at the Million Man March. There was no appreciable change in black progress after that event. It was business as usual, with Farrakhan lIving like a King while his comparatively modest following sold bean pies and the black masses continued  their errant ways!

Just another hustling black preacher.

 

 

[Pioneer1]

20 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

There was no appreciable change in black progress after that event. It was business as usual,

 

If that were true.....IF....that were true....again....WHO'S FAULT IS THAT????


It's right there on the package that smoking cigarettes is bad for your health and can cause harm.




It's right there!
Yet many people STILL ignore it and smoke the shit anyway....and end up paying for it.

Who's fault is that?

Is it the fault of the surgeon general???

Was the surgeon general not effective enough or was their message too "mundane" to be heeded by the people?
Or was it that some people are just too damn STUPID to accept a clear message being given to them and have to learn things the hard way....if they learn at all?

[aka Contrarian]

What does any of that have to do with Farrakhan being extraordinary? It just proves he can't perform miracles.

It doesn't take anything special to tell people to do what's best for themselves. It's not about him being brilliant, it's about them being vulnerable.

[Troy]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

For over 50 years he's been showing brothers and sisters the right way to form and raise families, get off drugs, stay out of trouble and prison, and live productive and for the most part successful lives.

 

Pioneer, have you ever raised kids?  The reason I ask is because what you've described is what the vast majority of us have done for all of recorded history -- without giving up bacon

 

I've seen Farrakhan speak and he was perhaps the most compelling speaker I ever heard in person.  The NOI trains their minister well.  But people like Malcolm, Farrakhan, Khalid Muhammad do not come around very often.

 

Who is the next charismatic leader of the NOI?

 

 

[Pioneer1]

aka Contrarian

 

What does any of that have to do with Farrakhan being extraordinary? It just proves he can't perform miracles.

 

Who said anything about him being a "miracle performer"?
Raising the bar a bit...aren't we...lol.
 

Very few people who've listened to Minister Farrakhan...even his critics...would doubt that he's gifted and extrodinary if only in his oratory skills.

It doesn't take anything special to tell people to do what's best for themselves.
 

Yes, anyone can sit up and TELL others what to do.
But to get large numbers of them to actually DO it...actually is noteworthy.

Perhaps not as many as you (or I) would like, but by the thousands is pretty remarkable.

 

 

 

Troy

Pioneer, have you ever raised kids?
 

I've helped...yes.
And I'm still helping to raise some...lol.

The reason I ask is because what you've described is what the vast majority of us have done for all of recorded history -- without giving up bacon
 

How many children have you gotten out of and kept out of prison?
How many children where part of gangs that you've rescued?
How many children have you gotten off of and kept off of drugs?
 

Let' compare your, my, and Cynique's numbers COMBINED....with Farrakhan's numbers.

[Troy]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How many children have you gotten out of and kept out of prison?

The short answer is I really don’t know and you don’t know how many people Farrakhan has kept out of prison either

 

You act like Farrakhan, is doing the work single-handedly or if he wasn’t there, the work of the NOI wouldn’t be getting done.

I’m not trying to diminish minister Farrakhan‘s  accomplishments as a leader — he is an excellent leader.

 

I just think you’re overstating his impact. The million man March was a long time ago and you’d be hard pressed to find anything that’s come of it that has lasted until today.
 

Besides, the impact of the nation of Islam seems to be in decline since the million man March. I don’t know if that’s true but it seems like it based upon living in Harlem two blocks away from Mosque number seven. maybe because Malcolm’s estrangement from the nation weakened its presence.

[ProfD]

Unlike the Nation of Islam resurrection under the leadership of the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, I doubt the organization will ever be as strong or relevant after him.

 

I believe Minister Farrakhan was able to reach and inspire a whole lot of Black folks to make *better* choices in their lives.

 

Hard to measure Minister Farrakhan's andnNOI effectiveness especially when mainstream media didn't give him the time of day other than to attack him.

[aka Contrarian]

America's black population is put at  49 million or 14% of the total population.  The NOI  represents a blip on this radar.

Gifted  orators and dynamic leaders like Farrakhan crowd the ranks of the black clergy who head the churches which have always been the backbone of the black community and the "good intentions  - that pave the pathway to hell" . In Chicago's case, Farrakhan got some concrete input from  another of the city's black kingpins,  Larry Hoover.

[Pioneer1]

Troy
 

The short answer is I really don’t know 
 

Ok, well was it in the hundreds or thousands?
If not, then it doesn't compare to what Minister Farrakhan has done for decades.

So he deserves credit for that much.


 

The million man March was a long time ago and you’d be hard pressed to find anything that’s come of it that has lasted until today.
 

The fact that he could bring over a million Black men together in one place at one time and not only give them a positive message but there were absolutely NO reports of fights or violence at that event is "miraculous" in my opinion.

 

I was there and witnessed how beautiful the event was for myself.

For that event alone, he deserves praise and honor.

 

I'm not saying he's perfect, but I honor him for the positive impact he's had on our community since the 50s.


 

 

 

ProfD

Unlike the Nation of Islam resurrection under the leadership of the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, I doubt the organization will ever be as strong or relevant after him.

 

Sometimes the "conditions" produce the man.

One of the reasons the Nation of Islam, Black Panthers, and other powerful Black organizations aren't as prominent in America or even the Black community today is for 2 major reasons:

1. So-called Integration.
There isn't a "Black community" like it was before so they don't have the audience they had to preach to and motivate into action.
But social media and the internet seems to be bringing our community BACK together in many ways; especially the FBA movement.

2. They did their jobs so well that White people are less OPENLY hostile as they were in the past.
Organizations like the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers scared the shit out of the average White person to the point that they stopped being openly hostile.
But once this stopped happening....a lot of the organizations became less aggressive as well.

The Nation of Islam under the Honorable Elijah Muhammad was far more strict and aggressive than under Minister Farrakhan because the racism at that time was far more harsh and open.

The conditions often produce the men necessary to deal with them.

But don't worry, Trump may bring the "conditions" back....lol.

 

[ProfD]

46 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The fact that he could bring over a million Black men together in one place at one time and not only give them a positive message but there were absolutely NO reports of fights or violence at that event is "miraculous" in my opinion.

 

I was there and witnessed how beautiful the event was for myself.

For that event alone, he deserves praise and honor.

Agreed. I attended both Million Man Marches. They were excellent gatherings of Black men.

 

46 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sometimes the "conditions" produce the man.

Facts.

 

46 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But social media and the internet seems to be bringing our community BACK together in many ways; especially the FBA.

Right. There are grassroots micro-movements within the FBA community. Remains to be seen how effective they will be in pushing their agenda especially when it comes to reparations. 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The conditions often produce the men necessary to deal with them.

But don't worry, Trump may bring the "conditions" back....lol.

The clown is pushing for a hyper-nationalization of the US. But, it's not specifically anti-Black.

 

A variety of minorities are facing unfavorable conditions uder this administration.

 

The men any movement against the current administration produces might look like the Village People.

[aka Contrarian]

HoHum. Kamala Harris (like BaracK Obama) was able to inspire millions of black people to come together - and  vote for her  but, as with Farrakhan, being able to do this proved nothing when it came to meaningful  reform.

Her accomplishment  has been dismissed, particularly by black men, so pardon me if I remain unimpressed with  Farrakhan's meager accomplishments.

[ProfD]

47 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

HoHum. Kamala Harris (like BaracK Obama) was able to inspire millions of black people to come together - and  vote for her  but, as with Farrakhan, being able to do this proved nothing when it came to meaningful  reform.

There's a huge difference betwen politicians begging folks to vote in an election and someone leading a movement for almost a half-century and counting.

 

I am not nor have I ever been a member of the Nation of Islam. However, I do recognize the power and influence NOI leadership has had directly and indirectly over millions of Black lives here in the US.

 

Even former VP Kamala Harris and POTUS Barack Obama have to recognize Minister Farrakhan as a leader.

 

in his better days, Minister Farrakhan had enough power to call and visit world leaders to chop it up.

[aka Contrarian]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

There's a huge difference betwen politicians begging folks to vote in an election and someone leading a movement for almost a half-century and counting.

But there is not a huge difference between getting a million people to turn out for a single event which results in no future goals being accomplished, which is the case of both Kamala and Farrakhan. It's the same paradigm.

The post Civil Rights generation has been so quick to mininimize the positive effects of this movement, calling its accomplishments too moderate and misguided yet they can't exude enough praise for Farrakhan and his fiery  oratory and quasi  military group of  henchmen and  humble females in pseudo garb playing at being pious, all of which is confined to a small segment of the black population. Whatever. I remain unimpressed.

We pick our heroes. To each his own.

[Troy]

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

Hard to measure Minister Farrakhan's andnNOI effectiveness especially when mainstream media didn't give him the time of day other than to attack him.

 

Well, the Nation has its own paper, The Final Call, an award-winning member of the NNPA.  More people should read it -- even if you are not interested in the NOI.

 

23 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

The post Civil Rights generation has been so quick to mininimize the positive effects of this movement,

 

I hope @Pioneer1 and @ProfD are not doing that.  I don't recall reading anything they have written indicating that.

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

I attended both Million Man Marches. They were excellent gatherings of Black men.

 

I sure they were great events.  If I lived in DC I probably I would have attended too, but I was not interested in traveling to deal with the humongous crowds listening to speeches.  That is just not my thing...

 

Given the dwindling numbers of the members of the NOI it's impact will continue to wane.  Particularly as the nation becomes more secular.

[ProfD]

7 minutes ago, Troy said:

Well, the Nation has its own paper, The Final Call, an award-winning member of the NNPA.  More people should read it -- even if you are not interested in the NOI.

Yep. I've read issues of Final Call. Of course, it covers the Minister. I was referring to the mainstream media not covering him in a positive light.

 

7 minutes ago, Troy said:

I hope @Pioneer1 and @ProfD are not doing that.  I don't recall reading anything they have written indicating that.

I certainly have no reason to minimize any positive gains from the pre- or post-Civil Rights Movement.

 

When it comes to sociopolitical issues, I do call ball and strikes as I see and/or believe. I've been entitled to do it.

 

7 minutes ago, Troy said:

I sure they were great events.  If I lived in DC I probably I would have attended too, but I was not interested in traveling to deal with the humongous crowds listening to speeches.  That is just not my thing...

Understood.

 

The events are not for everybody especially if it's too much of an inconvenience.

 

I also attended the huge rally to make Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.s b'day a national holiday. 

 

During that rally, we stood out in the bitter cold. My dad and his friends had their alcohol to keep them warm.

 

There was no way I could make it to the March on Washington back in 1963.

 

7 minutes ago, Troy said:

Given the dwindling numbers of the members of the NOI it's impact will continue to wane.  Particularly as the nation becomes more secular.

Agreed. Times have changed. I believe the Nation of Islam will become like any other huge mosque or mega-church.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Agreed. I attended both Million Man Marches. They were excellent gatherings of Black men.
 

I don't know about the subsequent ones but the first one was a truly historic event.

I didn't go by myself but with a group of brothers of different religions and backgrounds from the Detroit area.

That movie "Get On The Bus" by Spike Lee came very close to how it felt traveling to the event.
 

I didn't see one fight.
Not one argument.

If you heard a lot of noise or commotion going on it was bruthaz having a good time laughing loud or maybe the FOI drilling and marching but no hostility what so ever.
And I was there all day!
 

There were different designated spots around the city where the busses were scheduled to leave from and arrive back to.

When we got back to the city there were people of all ages but mostly women crowded around in these different spots to welcome us back and cheer us as we stepped off the bus.

The media was also there doing interviews and videos.

It was truly beautiful.
 

They said we were "glowing" when we got back...lol.

 

 

 

Troy

I don't recall reading anything they have written indicating that.

 

Neither ProfD nor myself are but there are a lot of people under 60 and especially under 40 who actually are all over the internet criticizing the Civil Rights Movement and even the Civil Rights Generation.

 

Much of it comes from ignorance and ingratitude.

Like a lot of spoiled children, they talk a lot of shit because they ain't been through anything.

They didn't grow up under open White hostility and racism so as far as they're concerned...it's something of the distant past akin to Slavery itself.

 

I got into an argument with a niece of mine a few weeks ago because she didn't like how me and my brother sat up and talked about White people.

She said it was "racist".
It started over us warning her not to take her son to a White barber because he'll fuck up his hair.
She didn't want to listen and he did...lol.
 

 

 

[Troy]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I was referring to the mainstream media not covering him in a positive light.

 

I know.  What I was trying to say about "mainstream" media is fu*k dem.  They generally don't cover us and when they do they get it wrong. We need to rely on out publications more.  I much rather read what the Nation has to say about themselves than what "mainstream media" has to say about them.  Does that make sense?

 

46 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

there are a lot of people under 60 and especially under 40 who actually are all over the internet criticizing the Civil Rights Movement and even the Civil Rights Generation.

 

Really?  I presume this is stuff that is promulgated on more social media.

 

If that is the case, I would be very careful extrapolating that to the general population of young people.  The BS you see of social media is simply not representative of the general population.

 

50 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It started over us warning her not to take her son to a White barber because he'll fuck up his hair.

 

What the hell?!  See this is one of those situations where a boy needs his father.  A Black man would NEVER consider taking his Black some to a white barber. LOL!

 

53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

She said it was "racist".

 

Well, your niece was on the marl with that one 'cause you are clearly racist 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

12 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

What the hell?!  See this is one of those situations where a boy needs his father.  A Black man would NEVER consider taking his Black some to a white barber. LOL!

 

He HAS  a father in his life, but he's in the "belly of the beast".
The closest he has to a father right now is his grandfather....my brother.

She's got a White boyfriend (here we go again...lol) that she met in church and he convinced her that race doesn't matter and giving her jacked up advice about a lot of things but she listens to him.

Now the boy is running around with his head looking like barbed wire with an unblended fade.
AND he goes to a mostly Black school....so you know he's being clowned on, lol.

[Troy]

5 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

he goes to a mostly Black school....so you know he's being clowned on, lol.

 

That poor child

 

Well maybe times have changed, and kids are no longer clowned for having a jacked-up hair cut

 

 

[Pioneer1]

9 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

That poor child

 

Well maybe times have changed, and kids are no longer clowned for having a jacked-up hair cut

 

 

No, they are....lol.
But barbers are so plentiful now that very few kids HAVE jacked-up hair cuts.
...or what they used to call  a "Timmy" or "looking busted" when I was a kid, lol.

It's rare to find that now because even the poorest kid can afford a fade and a lot of them are growing dreadlocks.

If you walk down the street with a jacked up hair line and hair cut today you're assumed to be an African who just came here a few weeks ago....lol.

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Troy said:

What I was trying to say about "mainstream" media is fu*k dem. 

 

 Does that make sense?

Absolutely. I agree especially when it comes to their distorted coverage of us.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I got into an argument with a niece...

 

It started over us warning her not to take her son to a White barber because he'll fuck up his hair.
She didn't want to listen and he did...lol.

What would the departed NF Jr. have said about that foolishness.

 

Your niece has a compound fracture of problems.

 

I hope your brother isn't beating himself up about it.

 

The good news is that your nephew's hair will grow back after the clowning.

[Pioneer1]

16 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

The goid news is that your nephew's hair will grow back after the clowning.

But will his self-esteem....lol.

You know how some shit that happens to you as a child has a way of haunting some people even into adulthood.

 

What do you think happened to THIS self-hating clown that made him act the way he does towards Black youth...lol.