“There is no such thing as a race.” —Dr. John Henrik Clarke

[Chevdove]

On 10/7/2025 at 7:58 PM, frankster said:

On 10/6/2025 at 10:50 PM, Chevdove said:

ok. You might be right. I may have drifted away from the direct issue. 

Yes...you have

 

Okay. I probably did. My apologies. I am okay with being corrected and criticized. So, I will try to stay with the subject of this thread "there is no such thing as a race". 

 

I do believe that this is a critical subject though, and that is why I have come to this thread. Because this government does acknowledge 'Race', I believe that this subject needs to be addressed. And for African Americans, this is vital, that we address it because this issue of 'Race' has been used to define us and oppress us severely. 

 

Because this government uses 'skin color' as a main issue to define Race, this cannot be ignored. 

Because skin color is one genetic factor, in addition to other genetic factors, in how humans are defined, this aspect of 'Racial identity' cannot be ignored. 

 

Because skin color is absolutely linked to other specific genetic traits of humans and certain factors are exclusive to Black African, Original Black Africans, this issue of 'skin color' being linked to the federal classification of 'Racial Identity' cannot be ignored. 

 

Because skin color is a specific genetic factor that goes back to an Original Male African origin and female African origin the reality that Colorism has been used by this government to severely hurt dark skinned people, therefore, the issue of Racial identity being linked to skin color needs to be addressed, clarified, and defined based on genetic and scientific basis in order to understand the origins of White Supemacy and racism and hatred against people that are darker skinned. 

 

So therefore, to say that 'there is no such thing as Race' and ignore the fact that skin color is a valid and genetic factor that is absolutely linked to the first Modern Human would not be altogether wrong. Because this government does not teach the complete truth as to how humans are distinct based on the genetic factor of skin color and other factors that should also be a included in how humans are classified and may be distinct due to reproduction and with regards to species is the problem. 

 

If 'Race' and 'racial classifications' are only defined based on skin color, that does NOT mean 'Racial classifications does not exist, but it would be completely incorrect and a confusion. However, if the human world was defined with a complete scientific explanation based on human genetic origins, then the word 'Race' would correlate to perhaps the classification of 'Family' or 'Genus', etc. Instead of being termed 'Human Race', perhaps, the phrase should be 'Human Family', 'Human genus' and then 'Human species'. But to say that 'there is no such thing as a race' is extremely incorrect. 

 

 

 

On 10/7/2025 at 7:58 PM, frankster said:

Africans it is said have the widest genetical diversity...one would expect to find most genetic phenotypes among them

 

okay.

 

 

On 10/7/2025 at 7:58 PM, frankster said:

Skin Color is based on/in Genetics....yes

Skin Color is associated with Race

Race is strickly a Social Phenomenon.

 

Not so. Skin color is both based on genetics and linked to 'racial categories'.

Skin color is not 'associated' with Race, but it is a genetic factor used to define Race. 

Race is NOT strictly a Social Phenomenon, rather the genetic factor of skin color is exploited to classify humans in societies based on this one specific genetic factor, and as a result, led to discriminatory practices against humans with other genetic traits that are not obviously linked to not being white or lighter skinned. 

 

 

On 10/7/2025 at 7:58 PM, frankster said:

Please....do the research as I find it very intriguing that there are human beings with no eu/pheomelanin

 

I presented some pictures that showed a contradiction to this idea that humans exist with absolutely no melanin.

So, if you have input, I would love to see it. 

 

 

On 10/7/2025 at 7:58 PM, frankster said:

Light Refracts which may lead to the appearance of color...

Not that they have no Melanin....they have no Eu/Pheo Melanin.

 

There is NO other type of melanin. 

 

 

On 10/7/2025 at 7:58 PM, frankster said:

Most if not all  phenotypes can be found Among Africans....

We all share in and from the same gene pool which is mostly African in origin

 

Absolutely agree.

 

 

[Chevdove]

On 10/7/2025 at 7:58 PM, frankster said:

Maybe Melanin is not the only thing that give rise to color

 

Could it be that The Wave Length of Light and or its Speed and or Direction changes when it reflects/refracts from an object depending on that objects  Shape  Structure or Material Make Up which can give rise to the appearence of different colors?

 

Again, there is no other type of melanin.

skin--Human skin produces cells that produce melanin and there are only two types.

The pigment stems from cells that manufacture them.

Prior to the Modern mankind, there was no human that produced Black pigment.

 

[frankster]

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

Okay. I probably did. My apologies. I am okay with being corrected and criticized. So, I will try to stay with the subject of this thread "there is no such thing as a race".

Cool....I little digression gives context sometimes.

 

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I do believe that this is a critical subject though, and that is why I have come to this thread. Because this government does acknowledge 'Race', I believe that this subject needs to be addressed. And for African Americans, this is vital, that we address it because this issue of 'Race' has been used to define us and oppress us severely. 

Yes we agree on all the above...

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Because this government uses 'skin color' as a main issue to define Race, this cannot be ignored. 

Because skin color is one genetic factor, in addition to other genetic factors, in how humans are defined, this aspect of 'Racial identity' cannot be ignored. 

The Government created social class or category called Race....

In which it places certain individual with a particular heritage origin features and skin color

I am not ignoring race

Yes skin color is genetic

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Because skin color is absolutely linked to other specific genetic traits of humans and certain factors are exclusive to Black African, Original Black Africans, this issue of 'skin color' being linked to the federal classification of 'Racial Identity' cannot be ignored. 

True.

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

Because skin color is a specific genetic factor that goes back to an Original Male African origin and female African origin the reality that Colorism has been used by this government to severely hurt dark skinned people, therefore, the issue of Racial identity being linked to skin color needs to be addressed, clarified, and defined based on genetic and scientific basis in order to understand the origins of White Supemacy and racism and hatred against people that are darker skinned. 

It has been defined.....it is a Social Construct associated with phenotype and place of origin.

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

So therefore, to say that 'there is no such thing as Race' and ignore the fact that skin color is a valid and genetic factor that is absolutely linked to the first Modern Human would not be altogether wrong.

Genetically there are no Races

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Because this government does not teach the complete truth as to how humans are distinct based on the genetic factor of skin color and other factors that should also be a included in how humans are classified and may be distinct due to reproduction and with regards to species is the problem. 

Differences in Skin color cannot be use a defining trait to base races on

Every ethnicity have varing shade of skin color.....Africans run the gamut from what is called white to black

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

If 'Race' and 'racial classifications' are only defined based on skin color, that does NOT mean 'Racial classifications does not exist, but it would be completely incorrect and a confusion.

Dr Clarke in saying "that race does not exist" is addressing the idea that....  Race can be categorize Biological/Genetically distinct from other human beings.

Race is purely a Social Construct

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

However, if the human world was defined with a complete scientific explanation based on human genetic origins, then the word 'Race' would correlate to perhaps the classification of 'Family' or 'Genus', etc. Instead of being termed 'Human Race', perhaps, the phrase should be 'Human Family', 'Human genus' and then 'Human species'. But to say that 'there is no such thing as a race' is extremely incorrect. 

Family Genus and Specie are Taxonomic terms.

Taxonomy is based on Biology..

Race is purely Social Classification....

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

okay.

Cool

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Not so. Skin color is both based on genetics and linked to 'racial categories'.

Racial Categories are associated with Skin Color

Skin color is genetics....

Race is not a Genetic or Biological Classification

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Skin color is not 'associated' with Race, but it is a genetic factor used to define Race. 

Skin Color cannot genetical define race....

Racist Eugenist have tried for over a 100 yrs to use genetics to define race and failed.

Genetists have final answer the question.....Race is not biological

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Race is NOT strictly a Social Phenomenon,

That is precisely what it is.....Social

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

rather the genetic factor of skin color is exploited to classify humans in societies based on this one specific genetic factor, and as a result, led to discriminatory practices against humans with other genetic traits that are not obviously linked to not being white or lighter skinned. 

Variation in skin color has a lot to due with environment - Epigenetics

Thus the same gene can produce/modulate/modify varing hues of skin color from what we call black to white.

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I presented some pictures that showed a contradiction to this idea that humans exist with absolutely no melanin.

So, if you have input, I would love to see it. 

Are those pictures of individual who are OCA1A Albinos?

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

There is NO other type of melanin. 

Check out Neuromelanin

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Absolutely agree.

cool

 

7 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Again, there is no other type of melanin.

see above

 

7 hours ago, Chevdove said:

skin--Human skin produces cells that produce melanin and there are only two types.

 

 

7 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The pigment stems from cells that manufacture them.

True....but is that the only way we percieve color..

 

7 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Prior to the Modern mankind, there was no human that produced Black pigment.

I do not know this....could you provide some documentation to this fact??