Mejorando La Raza

[Pioneer1]

Self hatred and the desire to procreate with and blend into White society isn't exclusive to just one or two groups but can be find among people around the planet.

Among Latinos, they have something called "Mejorando La Raza" which translates into "Bettering The Race"

It's a custom found through out Latin America and Latino culture that basically advises ALL Latinos to seek either:
-White Latinos
-White Anglos
-or atleast lighter skinned Latinos

...to marry and mate with so that the children will come out lighter and closer to White; which they consider "better".

Infact, in some cases they can just skip the "marry" part and just MATE with White people and those children will be accepted into the family regardless as to the circumstances by which they were brought into the world.


Does this sound familiar to anybody?

[aka Contrarian]

This from a someone who is wallowing in the cesspool of white male derangement syndrome. 

[Pioneer1]

4 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

This from a someone who is wallowing in the cesspool of white male derangement syndrome. 

Speaking of wallowing in cesspools......
 

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 -Naw....I better not tell THAT joke.
There are some boundaries I don't cross....lol.

[aka Contrarian]

Right.Go back to envying white men, and bragging about the black men who are happy to wed the picked-over, second-rate white women who marry them.

[Pioneer1]

7 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

Right.Go back to envying white men, and bragging about the black men who are happy to  marry the picked-over,  second-rate white women they marry.

Say what???

Oh no, no, nooooo.

According to yall....Black men don't marry  women....LOL

[aka Contrarian]

I never said black men don't marry. You'd be mute if you couldn't tell lies.

[ProfD]

Every group of people on the planet seems to have folks who do whatever it takes to blend into the dominant society here in the US. 

 

European white folks put their ethnicity aside in order to reinforce the white population here in the US.

 

White folks no longer identify themselves as [insert ethnicity here]-Americans. They are just Americans.

 

Black folks from Africa and the Caribbean also lighten themselves with make-up. If they're too dark to hide it...they'll just conform to whiteness.

 

Begs the question is it considered self-hatred when folks deny their ethnicity.

[Pioneer1]

11 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Begs the question is it considered self-hatred when folks deny their ethnicity.

It depends on the reason.

If they deny it in order to fit in TOO get a better job or if they are being harassed in society because of their ethnicity and are hiding it out of fear, that's understandable.
I don't consider that self-hatred.

But if you're doing it SIMPLY because you don't like the group you're in and think they're inferior to other groups.
You think YOUR people are uglier because their noses are bigger.
You think YOUR people's food is worse because they tend to use more garlic.
You think YOUR people are the most nerdy or geeky because they insist on education and study more.

....and you seek to deny or escape your ethnicity simply because of your person dislike of it in comparison to others; THAT is a form of self-hate

[aka Contrarian]

There's a fine line between hating yourself and hating your ethnicty. Your etnicity is external. Your self is internal. You can love yourself so much that you want to escape what you feel is a stigma. 

[Pioneer1]

3 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

There's a fine line between hating yourself and hating your ethnicty. Your etnicity is external. Your self is internal. You can love yourself so much that you want to escape what you feel is a stigma. 

You can't hate your ethnicity without feeling a LEVEL of hatred for yourself as well, because you are a PRODUCT of that group along with your personal choices.

Your parents, your grand parents, the people you love....come OUT of that particular people and culture.
Subconsciously if you hate THEM or see THEM as inferior or worthy of contempt or "cursed"..... and you come out of that group....you can't help BUT to wonder if you (being a member of that group) shouldn't be worthy of the same contempt and inferiority.

Among oppressed people there are various levels of self hate.
Some hate themselves and see themselves below EVERYBODY including members of the oppressed group.
Others see themselves as superior to OTHER members of that oppressed group, but still inferior to the "ideal" groups and hate themselves to a certain extent because they aren't part of the "ideal" groups.

[aka Contrarian]

Stfu. Where did you get your degree in Psychology from? Down the Street Community College? 

 

[Pioneer1]

Cynique
 

17 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Where did you get your degree in Psychology from? Down the Street Community College? 

We were in the same class together, remember?

But YOU dropped out to go work in the Post Office while I continued on and furthered my education.

Now I'm a community leader who helps people with their problems, while YOU...when you're not arguing on the internet....spend much of your time outside in your robe and slippers with a stick in your hand treating hornet's nests like pinatas.

 

 

 

[aka Contrarian]

@Pioneer1smh. You're not even good  at what you have a compulsion to do. Another made-up, far-fetched scenario with no basis in reality from the warehouse janitor and co-worker of African Immigrants who he hides from ICE when not socializing with them in the mens room, comparing dick sizes.

Community leader? Puleeze. The "intelligent" con man and Liar Supreme, looking to line his pockets and make out with any women supplied him by the poor fools he misleads. 

A legend in his own unbalanced mind. Pitiful.

 

[Pioneer1]

50 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

 from the warehouse janitor and co-worker of African Immigrants who he hides from ICE when not socializing with them in the mens room, comparing dick sizes.

Community leader? Puleeze. The "intelligent" con man and Liar Supreme, looking to line his pockets and make out with any women supplied him by the poor fools he misleads. 

 

For a so-called "loser".....you just described a pretty BUSY man with a lot of hats he's wearing....lol.
 

[aka Contrarian]

 

6 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

For a so-called "loser".....you just described a pretty BUSY man with a lot of hats he's wearing....lol.
 

I didn't call you a ,"loser".  You take the cake when it comes to beimg a "scum bag" who makes up  stupid far-fetched stories.

[Pioneer1]

2 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

 

I didn't call you a ,"loser".  You take the cake when it comes to beimg a "scum bag" who makes up  stupid far-fetched stories.

Not only do I "take the cake".....
But if YOU made the  cake, I take it and feed it to my worst enemy....lol.

And make a video of them eating it.

[aka Contrarian]

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not only do I "take the cake".....
But if YOU made the  cake, I take it and feed it to my worst enemy....lol.

And make a video of them.

   I don't bake cakes  and  I've wasted enough time on somebody who is not a worthy opponent. 

I have better things to do with my Sunday afternoon. Go some where and play with yourself.

 

[Pioneer1]

1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said:

I have better things to do with my Sunday afternoon. 

 

You have better things to do with your Social Security check too!
But that don't stop you from spending it on lottery scratch-offs and Captain Morgan, lol.

 

[aka Contrarian]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

You have better things to do with your Social Security check too!
But that don't stop you from spending it on lottery scratch-offs and Captain Morgan, lol.

 

 

Yep,  that's the way it goes in Pioneerville the place that exists inside your head and turns you into a looney tune.

Why don't you find a hobby to focus on so you can stop falsely characterizing people.  Either that or get in therapy. They got meds for your condition.

[Pioneer1]

1 minute ago, aka Contrarian said:

 

. They got meds for your condition.

They got some for yours too.
It's called Penicillin

 

 

"Ok...next time, don't wait so long before you
seek treatment honey."

 

 

[ProfD]

The hilarity continues between @aka Contrarian and @Pioneer1 going at it.

 

On 10/4/2025 at 5:42 PM, Pioneer1 said:

If they deny it in order to fit in TOO get a better job or if they are being harassed in society because of their ethnicity and are hiding it out of fear, that's understandable.
I don't consider that self-hatred.

Right. I believe people trying to fit in one way or another is the main motivation moreso than self-hate.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

The hilarity continues between @aka Contrarian and @Pioneer1 going at it.

 

Picture a cat, playing around and having fun with a little annoying mouse.....

 

 

 

 

 

Right. I believe people trying to fit in one way or another is the main motivation moreso than self-hate.

 

This is natural.
People generally want to blend in and be apart of the community they're in because being seen as "other" or "different" often makes you a target.

However I've learned that "standing out" and being seen as different can also be a benefit and get you POSITIVE attention.
Especially during times of crisis and confusion where people are looking for beacons of light in the darkness.

 

The Nation of Islam under Minister Farrakhan were a little more relaxed when it came to kicking it with the bruthaz in the neighborhood and associating with Hiphop figures.
But the Nation of Islam under Elijah Muhammad back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s were VERY strict and made it a point for it's members to "stand out" from other Black people and be striking examples of cleanliness and morality for our people to look up to.

Actually, one of the things that is so attractive about Black Americans is that unlike nearly all the other ethnic groups (except maybe CERTAIN Latinos born and raised here) we often GO OUT OF OUR WAY to be different than White Americans in our talk, dress, and behavior.
That's where much of our music and style comes from.

[aka Contrarian]

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 Picture a cat, playing around and having fun with a little annoying mouse.....

 

 

 

@Pioneer1Yep, there you are with your long black tail, and beady eyes trying to get over on the pussy cat with her 9 lives.  Go crawl back in your hole and lick your wounds while I eat your false scenario for lunch.

[ProfD]

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However I've learned that "standing out" and being seen as different can also be a benefit and get you POSITIVE attention.

This is the reason it's important for parents, family and community to build self-esteem in children very early in life.

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Nation of Islam under Minister Farrakhan were a little more relaxed when it came to kicking it with the bruthaz in the neighborhood and associating with Hiphop figures.
But the Nation of Islam under Elijah Muhammad back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s were VERY strict and made it a point for it's members to "stand out" from other Black people and be striking examples of cleanliness and morality for our people to look up to.

The whole uniform and militaristic approach made Black men look civilized and disciplined.

 

White supremacists loved the Nation of Islam because that was fewer black men they had to worry about.

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Actually, one of the things that is so attractive about Black Americans is that unlike nearly all the other ethnic groups (except maybe CERTAIN Latinos born and raised here) we often GO OUT OF OUR WAY to be different than White Americans in our talk, dress, and behavior.
That's where much of our music and style comes from.

The curse is that Black folks haven't codified and commodified their natural gifts and talents and greatness. 

 

To this day, Black folks are still selling themselves short when it comes to wealth building.

[aka Contrarian]

There's a large segment of black folks who are  not "going out of their way" to be "different", These wanna-bes make up the community of conservative Republican Negroes who are carbon copies of white folk. All skin folk ain't kin folk.

Then there's the growing population of bi-racials who take from both cultures, forming their own unique vibe. 

And I'd be interested in knowing how you can codify something as fluid as the black mystique. 

  Slaves to their imaginations  need to be constantly reminded to catch up with the real world of 2025.

 

 

[Mel Hopkins]

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

The curse is that Black folks haven't codified and commodified their natural gifts and talents and greatness. 

 

To this day, Black folks are still selling themselves short when it comes to wealth building.

YES!!!  I agree, and understand why, but I've yet to come up with the how?  Most people who are wealthy have borrowed and stolen from the future of others.

[Pioneer1]

Cynique

Yep, there you are with your long black tail,
 

I'm kinda on the light side, so my "tail" is more of a deep brown than black.

But some ladies like the contrast....lol.


Go crawl back in your hole and lick your wounds while I eat your false scenario for lunch.

"long tail"  "hole"  "lick" 

Man.....
You got all types of  Freudian slips slipping out your mouth today....lol.

Did one of your children slip some GINSENG in your tea this morning or something????


"Oh me....Oh my...."




 

ProfD

White supremacists loved the Nation of Islam because that was fewer black men they had to worry about.
 

Some have made that argument.
That the Nation of Islam took many of the most militant "down to ride" Black men and made them less violent and Revolutionary and focused them on religion.

It may be true in a few cases, but in vast majority of cases where violent and angry men entered the Nation of Islam...that violence and anger was aimed at OTHER Black men, not the racists.
 

The curse is that Black folks haven't codified and commodified their natural gifts and talents and greatness. 
 

Is that a "curse" or a character flaw?

To this day, Black folks are still selling themselves short when it comes to wealth building.
 

For the sake of argument.....
Consider the possibility that in the majority of these cases....those who actually CAN....DO.

[aka Contrarian]

@Pioneer1Why bother sending messages to Cynique?  Since she only exists your mind, why not just think them?

[ProfD]

19 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

YES!!!  I agree, and understand why, but I've yet to come up with the how?  Most people who are wealthy have borrowed and stolen from the future of others.

True.  Most wealth has been stolen. 

 

However, the Middle Easterners have managed to turn black gold aka oil into a vast amount of wealth.

 

Black folks can start building wealth as a group by:

 

1) owning our talents and abilities, intellectual property

2) using a Black bank

3) supporting Black businesses

4) buying sports franchises

5) investing in land and real estate

6) buying stocks and bonds

 

Putting money to work is the best way to generate wealth in the absence of having natural resources to sell.

 

As @richardmurray has taught, Black folks are many tribes.  The ship of group unity has probably sailed.

[Mel Hopkins]

 

30 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Black folks can start building wealth as a group by:

 

1) owning our talents and abilities, intellectual property

2) using a Black bank

3) supporting Black businesses

4) buying sports franchises

5) investing in land and real estate

6) buying stocks and bonds

 

Putting money to work is the best way to generate wealth in the absence of having natural resources to sell.

 

This is a powerful suggestion!  Especially one that any of us can do and be successful! Thank you!
 

 

That is, instead of, for example, getting off scot-free after your small business steals millions of dollars from Medicaid/Medicare. And then, of course, freeing you up to run for governor and U.S. Senate and winning in the state of Florida. But I digress 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

True.  Most wealth has been stolen. 

 

However, the Middle Easterners have managed to turn black gold aka oil into a vast amount of wealth.

 

Black folks can start building wealth as a group by:

 

1) owning our talents and abilities, intellectual property

2) using a Black bank

3) supporting Black businesses

4) buying sports franchises

5) investing in land and real estate

6) buying stocks and bonds

 

Putting money to work is the best way to generate wealth in the absence of having natural resources to sell.

 

And all the middle easterners black gold has the blood of middle easterners on it shed by other middle easterners. 

I support all your points to nonviolent financial growth. but I have to say, whites whether they be arab/asian/latino/african/male/female/christian/muslim/ or others have intentionally killed each other for financial gain. The gold rush, the oil rush, the manifest destiny land grabs, prohibition era liquor fortunes, first stock market era,  all had mostly white people killing white people while total complicity by law enforcement, once the first people/native americans were eliminated for the land if needed.  One thing I rarely read or hear black people say, especially in the american continent, is that we in modernity don't have that strong a heritage of murder for financial gain. I argue with no true proof, only personal experience or views that most black on black financial crimes happen today than ever before. Whereas for whites they killed each other in the near past way more than today for fiscal wealth. 

Black people in the usa at the least were enslaved and financially penniless permanently while whites were killing each other for land or oil or gold or liquor. So Black people have started our internal wars over money in the 1900s. Consider madam cj walker was the wealthiest black person in the usa, lived in Urban harlem, think on that. She was blocks from poor black people. She wasn't in a scenario like downtown manhattan's gilded age where rich people had houses lined up next to each other. 

If you consider black people in the usa started to be attested by whites as financially wealthy in the 1900s then based on usa history with the european colonies, the first phase of usa history, starting in the 1500s whites [european/asian/latin/male/female/arab/muslim/christian/ or other] had four hundred years to become financially wealthy by any means necessary while blacks have only been allowed to become financially wealthy within the law from in the 1900s. That is a variance. 

And, to @Pioneer1 initial point, the culture of white latin americans trying to become pure white stems from the simple fact that unlike the english european colonies that brought white women along, the spanish/french/portuguese colonies were overhwhelmingly male, so latin american whiteness is primarily mestizo, the spawn of a white european and an indios female , indios being first people/native american. It is minority mulatto, the spawn of a white european and a black african woman. Mestizo or mulatto children were and are taught in the castas of latin america or its modern derivatives that whiteness could be achieved through a mating structure. Even though genetic lineage doesn't matter how many matings are forced, a human beings lineage is never deleted. so, the mating concept is perpetual because it's goal can never be achieved, but its goal is always emphasized. 

Now that the neutral truth or history is out of the way, 

to the positive

 

I like your nonviolent financial calls. They each have positive value. I will mention warnings alongside the positives.

 

1) owning our talents and abilities, intellectual property

In modernity with the internet, owning your creativity is huge. I don't know the numbers but any artists knows , intellectual property theft in various fashions is rampant today, rampant. So I concur to this as a modern importance. It was important in the past, but with the modern internet, the ability to make profit off of intellectual property theft is much quicker than the past. My warning is, the law around intellectual property is really messy. It isn't an accident that the fiscal wealthiest media firms spend so much money or effort redesigning characters so that they can gain copyright on a newer version. Or that many of said firms don't release media that has public domain characters , cause the ability to legally deny others to profit is... a task, and since most court cases end up settling out of court, well, the expense is to high.

 

2) using a Black bank

I want to be more specific, not a black bank. but a Black Credit Union. I have nothing against Black Banks but credit unions are easier to start and more focused in their design. Credit Unions will allow financially applicable segments of the black community to have a bank for themselves. When I look at the fiscal wealthiest black community in any city in the usa, that being los angeles, they should have a credit union for themselves and to my knowledge they do not. I assume similar for the atlanta black fiscal elite. The black fiscal elite in new york city to be blunt, should have it as well. But, I rather black people of wealth in small regions make credit unions and then new black money can join whenever they can. Financially poor black people can't afford the extra fees or limitations of small banks, especially in context with pensions or similar financial tools. 

 

3) supporting Black businesses

As someone whose household members have always supported black owned businesses, I do support, buying black. But, I do think black people need to imagine how to own their own businesses moreso. From Jacobs to Famous to Lighthouse to Make My Cake to Jumbo to Charlie's to King Barka to various laundromats or hair salons , multiple Black businesses exist in Harlem that have thrived for decades to recently opened.  But New York City proves starting a firm requires more thought. I have witnessed multiple chinese owned restaurants fall in recent years, but I also recognized one chinese restaurant survive and thrive well. why? The one that thrived well is near columbia universty and was getting tons of asian customers even when i was a kid. My point is,the black dance school , liquor gallery, all failed. The black architect seems to be stable. But NYC is hard. Some business will never honestly work in NYC unless the average wealth increases at a rate above the average in the usa or the cost of living decreases at a rate below the average in the usa. 

So support black businesses but I rather hope black businesses focus on being efficient. instead of a dance school maybe you can operate in a school. instead of a gallery maybe you can get a church to be the host of a gallery and your wine, harlem has many black churches that do nothing most of every day, that are locked up or gated.  I know churches members have issues with certain activities but be a business person and make it work. Contracts, figure it out. 

 

Jacobs

https://www.jacobrestaurant.com/jacob-soulfood-restaurant-locations.php

Famous

https://www.famousfishmarketnyc.com/

Lighthouse

https://www.lighthousefishmarket.com/

Makemycake

https://www.makemycake.com/

Jumbo 

https://www.sugarhilljumbos.com/

Charlie's 

https://www.charlespanfriedchicken.com/locations

King Barka - don't hate, websites cost money

https://www.restaurantji.com/ny/new-york/king-barka-/

 

 

4) buying sports franchises

Not for me. In a soccer community elsewhere members were talking about owning a sports team and if I was a multi billionaire (meaning I have three hundred billion dollars in a bank account, not including stock evaluations/bonds/partial investments in firms or dividends from investments or stock)  I wouldn't invest one penny in sports clubs. I have said it in this forum before. I am not sold on sports franchises. 

The business model for sports franchises is simple. You buy a franchise and over time the speculators, the people who see,  continually state the value of the franchise is worth more, based on the increased ad revenue and real estate value of the club. It is the NFL model, which is applied to all sports today. But here is the problem. 

In the EPL, english premier league, the pandemic caused a catastrophic stop of the epl, where franchises had to take out ten million dollars a week or more, let alone the financial money pit of other teams. The problem with sports franchises is any investment in them has to assume, a financially positive environment, where sponsors will be able to pay increasing fees, fans will be able to buy increasingly expensive content, the real estate value with grow. But I can't assume a financially positive environment will exist for any firm all the time, and sports franchises in negative financial environments are some of the worst properties to own. If anything, the best time to buy or start a sports franchise is when the economy is at its lowest, because you are buying or starting on the cheap and you should be able to ride the bad times. The example is the NY Giants, the white family who owns them were bookkeepers, they bought the giants for a hundred dollars or thousand dollars in bad times.  so... buy sports franchise , not for me, not now , maybe if the shutdown continues for three years, all the unpaid rents of federal workers and utility bills and etcetera may shake the market enough to cause problems. Al the most profitable sports teams have situations that matter. The yankees, Real madrid have a legacy that requires time + success. The New York Knicks or rangers have an excellent location far better than most including the yankees. Like every NFL team, MAnchester United and every other epl team have a sponsorship deal that is totally disconnected to athletic merit. But is a closed system to new clubs for the most part.

Yes, the saudis now own newcastle united, the qataris own paris saint germain, the emirates own manchester city and nyfc, redbull own various sporting enterprises. But the oil lords invest because they want to keep their currency low. If the oil lords don't spend they accumulate so much wealth their currency will have to rise in value which will only help the usa as most countries currencies are pegged to the dollar. This is why during the covid 19 they were the only set of countries looking to spend, they had the money to spend and didn't want their currencies to skyrocket as other economies were falling during the covid 19. As for redbull, well, they have basically found a way to use the NFL model in all sports. They use specualtion and marketing to get an advertising industry to finance their ventures which allows them to skim off the top and market manipulate. 

 

5) investing in land and real estate

rough, as someone who was born and raised in NEw York City, land and real estate seem very wise long term BUT during the covid 19, many small business failed which meant many offices struggled. It is only because the city/state/federal government provided a bunch of financial crutches that the real estate industry didn't implode. But, again, that is bad fiscal capitalism. Based on revenue in my lifetime, all the banks in the usa should had closed permanently, all the investment houses in the usa should had closed permanently, all but the ford motor company should be around as car manufacturers (I will never forget how ford wanted to not get the government aid but the government demanded they get aid, ), all the airlines in the usa should had closed permanently,most food production firms should had closed permanently,  most real estate properties in nyc should had been bought by the city government way under market value for inability to pay debts.

Too often in the usa, the federal/state/city governments  provide welfare to failing businesses, which is dysfunctional. People complain about unemployed people getting welfare but welfare to the unemployed serves the function of maintaining a certain quality of life for the unemployed, which helps peace amongst the masses. But welfare to firms spits at the important function of being able to fail in free market capitalism. When a firm fails that means it was mismanaged. Every firm in the usa in my lifetime who was given welfare to survive did it to itself. 

AT&T sold Warner bros under market value to the discovery channel because it was unprofitable. It was a failure. AT&T demanded discovery channel accept all the warner bros debt, so AT&T had clean books with all of its profitable branches. 

The mergers of firms isn't because firms are making money, they merge because they are failing. 

The banks who take all races of peoples homes every day or treat Blacks or First peoples/native americans negatively compared to white customers crawled and begged in washington d.c. in their tailored suits far more sinfully in my mind than any "shaniqua" in an urban black neighborhood to the welfare office. 

So not for me. If you want to invest in land or real estate go ahead, but if you don't have a wise way to turn that land or real estate into revenue then your playing the common game today in the usa of tax breaks and tax liens and false speculations and overall market  gambles that... not for me. 

 

6) buying stocks and bonds

I always think of that white man standing with the car. 

The stock market craches don't include the bitcoin crashes, which they should cause it is the same situation. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_market_crash

When anyone invest in a trading environment the key isn't their investment, the key is when they pull out. I recall in New York city, many bitcoin billionaires who professed in local media, NY Times and Wall Street Journal, how they don't need money, they have bits, they are living it up... and then some time later, they looked like a modern variant of the man above or below:) in their case, holding a mop or holding a sign by themselves. 

Black people invested in the freedman's bank, that frederick douglass spoke for... black people of the late 1800s in the usa , most of DOSers who had any money lost all their money in the implosion of the freedman bank. So invest? yeah ok. But.. people look at some pension funds and say you see, invest. but many and i argue most pension funds in the usa went belly up. If you are so inclined only invest in stocks or bonds, perishable revenue or income. 

 

bitcoin crashes

https://www.webopedia.com/crypto/learn/biggest-bitcoin-crashes/

 

someone assessed the grey scale and made a color version. ahh chrysler, internals are worthless, but the cabin, nice:) 

 

 

IN CONCLUSION

 

Of the six, I think 2 with adjustment +3 with focus  have the best value overall. 1 has legal issues which are mighty. 4+5+6 are all true gambles. They each require a situation or environment which is not certain. 

 

Black Credit Union, yeah, I like that idea. focused, small, relies on true financial quality. gives great leeway once you pay the legal fees, protects from operations of other or larger banks. 

 

More black people own business in the usa today than ever before , holistically. But, too many black businesses fail in the usa as well, you have to think more on the financial reality of the industry you are in. It can't be village save me. 

[Pioneer1]

Cynique

 

Why bother sending messages to Cynique?
 

Because aka Contrarian...her alter ego....responds to them.

richardmurray

 

More black people own business in the usa today than ever before , holistically. But, too many black businesses fail in the usa as well, you have to think more on the financial reality of the industry you are in. It can't be village save me. 
 

But what are the NATURE of these so-called "Black businesses" that exist today?
 

100 years ago a Black business usually consisted of a 4 walled shop where an actual product or service was offered.
Like a grocery store, barber shop, sign making company, tailor shop, etc....
 

A lot of the so-called businesses today are online and rarely involve manufacturing physical products.
Basically shuffling money around and participating in financial and credit based schemes like bitcoin and the like.
 

No actual "civilization building" skills like carpentry, engineering, agriculture, and the like are being passed along from one generation to the next like they were during Reconstruction.

   

 

 

When I look at some of these old pictures I remember that old Pete Rock & CL Smooth line:

"I stive to be live cuz I got no choice
And run my own business like my Aunt Joyce"
 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I support all your points to nonviolent financial growth. but I have to say, whites whether they be arab/asian/latino/african/male/female/christian/muslim/ or others have intentionally killed each other for financial gain.

As we've covered in past threads, I totally understand your point in this regard. 

 

The reality is that Black folks are not in a position to take wealth by force.

 

Although Black folks do kill others, it's not with the same mentality that white folks are willing to kill anything and everything in their path.

 

I don't believe Black people have the same willingness to go to war and kill others for their freedom or power and wealth.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

 

The reality is that Black folks are not in a position to take wealth by force.

 

We don't need to take it by force, all we need to do is use the resources already at our disposal to GENERATE all of the wealth that we need.

Who's stopping us from establishing more restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations, factory plants, and even engaging in major civil engineering projects?

 

This is our country.
Whether we believe it or "act" like it or not, it is ours.

Who is literally "stopping" us, besides....us?

 

 

Although Black folks do kill others, it's not with the same mentality that white folks are willing to kill anything and everything in their path.

 

I think it's more on a petty and smaller scale and less skillful.
Take drugs, alcohol, and robbery out of the equation.....lol....which is 75% of the reason Black folks kill....Black folks often kill out of emotional rage or some sort of personal insult.

 

White folks CALCULATE their murders and many even use drugs, poisons, and other long term methods that are more effective and concealed.

They often kill for money, wealth, status, racial hatred, or some strange psychological issue driving them.
 

 

 

I don't believe Black people have the same willingness to go to war and kill others for their freedom or power and wealth.

 

They would to get freedom from another Black person...lol.

 

As far as killing and going to war for more power and wealth......
Many of our people are happy and content as long as White folks are "providing" a sustenance for them.
Many can't don't desire more power and really don't desire more wealth than they can have fun with and many can't even CONCEIVE of having more power and wealth than White folks.

 

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1

 

I stated in the post you replied to 

On 10/7/2025 at 5:32 PM, richardmurray said:

From Jacobs to Famous to Lighthouse to Make My Cake to Jumbo to Charlie's to King Barka to various laundromats or hair salons , multiple Black businesses exist in Harlem that have thrived for decades to recently opened.

and i listed businesses, some decades old that have been passed on...

 

On 10/7/2025 at 5:32 PM, richardmurray said:

Jacobs

https://www.jacobrestaurant.com/jacob-soulfood-restaurant-locations.php

Famous

https://www.famousfishmarketnyc.com/

Lighthouse

https://www.lighthousefishmarket.com/

Makemycake

https://www.makemycake.com/

Jumbo 

https://www.sugarhilljumbos.com/

Charlie's 

https://www.charlespanfriedchicken.com/locations

King Barka - don't hate, websites cost money

https://www.restaurantji.com/ny/new-york/king-barka-/

 

these are all in Harlem TODAY. So I don't know what you are asking as their nature. I know all of said businesses had to fight hard to survive/thrive/live because, Black DOSers don't have a foreign money supply like everyone else in NYC, nor do we control the government as our former enslavers the white europeans . 

 

and I quote you

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

This is our country.
Whether we believe it or "act" like it or not, it is ours.

 

Let me ask again, cause I probably asked before, but when did the USA become Black DOSers, because, you  know were enslaved during the european colonial period and had no change with the coming of the constitution. So, what date did the USA become Black DOSers  ? Don't tell me, 1776 ? Most free blacks fought against the creation of the usa in 1776. Most free blacks fought against the USA in the war of 1812. When did the USA become a possession of the Black DOSers, for the historical record?

I don't mind anyone black claiming the USA is a possession of Black DOSers but give me a date? it can't 1492 , it can't be 1776. But a date has to exist , so when? If you can't name when then that explains why the argument you and other black people similar minded to you, have never reached anywhere with that argument. Give a date.

Douglass was booed by blacks for the following speech , which by your words, you would had been the lone black cheering that day. 

https://aalbc.com/tc/blogs/entry/357-frederick-douglass-our-composite-nation/

 

@ProfD 

I concur black people don't have the willingness to achieve the levels of violence non blacks have and do. Anybody tell you Black people don't want to be free or more free , have power or more power, are lying to you and themselves. Yes, Black people, whose heritage in the USA is surviving enslavement from whites, not killing native american children or enslaving other human beings, don't have the killer bug. But for a people who also praise nonviolence, as black people do often, lets embrace where we have reached without killing whole tribes of native americans by gun or by germ warfare, making whole countries in asia addicted to heroin, stealing other humans from their home to be the cheapest possible labor. What I find interesting is how often Black people who will criminalize another black person for stealing an apple, are unwilling to ever mention where white wealth comes from, and where black wealth today comes from. Black wealth today, 99% of it, only comes from hard,legal, work. So...when various black people offline or online say black people don't want to be free or financially wealthy, that is easy to disprove by the fact that black wealth and freedom even absent the use of violence has grown to where it is today under a government, by its own admission, is completely anti black. 

I will never comprehend how the Kerner Commission , literally done by the federal government of the usa, with all but one person white, flat out said the usa top down, in every single corner is anti black to the core and yet, black people are suggesting, ownership and lack of ambition. 

The KErner commissions final report is that the entire society in the USA, every state in it, is anti black. 

My only question can be, especially as some black people speak so highly of white thoughtfulness, not you profd... is why are black people refutting the kerner commission?  

https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2685&type=status

 

 

[umbrarchist]

On 10/4/2025 at 4:42 PM, Pioneer1 said:

It depends on the reason.

If they deny it in order to fit in TOO get a better job or if they are being harassed in society because of their ethnicity and are hiding it out of fear, that's understandable.
I don't consider that self-hatred.

But if you're doing it SIMPLY because you don't like the group you're in and think they're inferior to other groups.
You think YOUR people are uglier because their noses are bigger.
You think YOUR people's food is worse because they tend to use more garlic.
You think YOUR people are the most nerdy or geeky because they insist on education and study more.

....and you seek to deny or escape your ethnicity simply because of your person dislike of it in comparison to others; THAT is a form of self-hate

 

I don't know what all is going on in the personal conflicts here. I tend to not find that stuff interesting.

 

This "inferiority" issue is deeply psychological.

 

When I was 5 yrs old I was sitting at the kitchen table while my mother was doing my sister's hair with an ironing comb. I was staring at the comb on the stove thinking,
"Damn that thing must be HOT!"
My mother picked it up with a pot holder to use on her hair.

Zzoooooom...!

I was gone! Out of the kitchen.

That shit is CraZy!

 

I had two older sisters, 4 and 5 years older than me. With different complexions. I began thinking that Black females had an inferiority complex about beauty before I graduated from grammar school.

 

But we are born into this White dominant culture. The Paleface talk about this Stockholm Syndrome. That was because of some hostage incident in Sweden.

 

How much of a Stockholm Syndrome do Black Americans have resulting from centuries of failing to cope with this bullshit.

 

I started reading science fiction at 9. Of course almost all of it written by White men. So any female characters were disproportionately blonde haired and blue eyed. But I ended up learning quite a bit of science because of those books and began to notice most White people in the Real World are not to smart.

 

Then there is the "Acting White" syndrome.

.

[richardmurray]

@umbrarchist

I recall seeing a few years ago in a black hair salon a little black girl crying, surrounded by a bunch of black women with straight hair, i think she was being initialized. 

 

ah stockholm , should be called, slave quarter syndrome. The funny thing is white science doesn't deem stockholm a proven condition, which makes sense considering how many non white europeans want to be white europeans today. Admitting it would demand embracing the large context. hell, one can argue the zionist are slave quartering. the jews of israel are treating the palestineans as they were treated by christian germans. 

 

I have a discord where i share literature I write, before public viewing, would you like to join up?

[ProfD]

 

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I concur black people don't have the willingness to achieve the levels of violence non blacks have and do. Anybody tell you Black people don't want to be free or more free , have power or more power, are lying to you and themselves.

Violence is a path to freedom and power. Those who want it badly enough will do what they have to do.

 

I'm not referring to the barbaric violence colonizers used...committing genocide, raping and pillaging others for their land and bodies.

 

Violence as a form of self-defense is absolutely necessary when diplomacy fails.

 

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

What I find interesting is how often Black people who will criminalize another black person for stealing an apple, are unwilling to ever mention where white wealth comes from, and where black wealth today comes from.

Several forms of post traumatic stress disorder PTSD) to include cognitive dissonance seems to have been passed along and ingrained in the psyche of the descendants of slaves.

 

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Black wealth today, 99% of it, only comes from hard,legal, work.

Most of that work is labor dependent on white folks...paid slavery.

 

The unwillingness to use violence in order to secure freedom and power suggests that Black folks have found a comfortable place within the system of racism white supremacy.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Violence is a path to freedom and power. Those who want it badly enough will do what they have to do.

never forget, the majority of Black leadership from the late 1800s, rightly or wrongly, has always emphasized that nonviolence is a path to freedom and power equal to violence and guided the black masses in that way. And the black masses in the usa, the DOS forebears mostly embraced that, rightly or wrongly. 

And always remember profd, I know i say the following a lot, but it seems to me many black people don't cognize the following, when the usa was founded most Black people were against the creation of the USA. 

Maybe I should rephrase the DOS heritage in the USA has always been a duopoly. But the majority in the past and I argue, absent some polling proof, still in modernity an anti white + anti statian/usa . The minority was in the past and I argue today, pro integration+pro usa. 

What is my point? Black people and I think Pioneer is a clear example of this have a problem embracing the uniqueness of Black DOS heritage in the USA. We are not from a willing immigrant peoples, we are not a first peoples to these lands, and we have historically hated this place or the white people in it. 

I don't think that vibe has ever left. And so in that context Black DOSers have done brilliantly in the usa , in a nonviolent context, because I argue most of us really don't care for this place.

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Violence as a form of self-defense is absolutely necessary when diplomacy fails.

yes, but look at the history of resistance. Haiti won their freedom but it was from a violence larger than self defense. Ireland won their freedom but it was a level of violence beyond self defense. What peoples in humanity in an impotent position used violence as self defense and actually won? who? 

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Several forms of post traumatic stress disorder PTSD) to include cognitive dissonance seems to have been passed along and ingrained in the psyche of the descendants of slaves.

I don't think so as I said earlier in this comment, I think it is a simpler answer, but one that cuts far worse. Black people's heritage in the usa is to be divided in terms of the usa. PRofd , think on the minority of free blacks who fought to create the usa, and then think on the majority of free blacks who fought to stop the usa from being created. Think on those two groups. That is serious friction. No bridge can bridge that. Remember, these are two peoples who are part of a larger minority in the black populace in the european colonies called free blacks, the majority of black people are enslaved who slave revolts prove only had two things in mind, kill whites and escape as far as possible. Consider the two groups of free blacks. Think about the free blacks fighting for the creation of the usa. Think about them. No constitution, no congress, the majority of white people have publily said they support enslavedment of black people upon success so the black people fighting for the creation of the usa are fighting literally for an idea. They are fighting for their present or a guarantee, they are literally buying into a philosophy, that the usa will get better, but it first has to start.  Think about the free blacks fighting against the creation of the usa. think about them. No country to run to. no land to escape to, the british belatedly, not initially promised them freedom but never the larger black populace. So these are black people fighting for a status quo that will keep most black people enslaved in the usa, thus initially the black loyalist are fighting to upend the plans of the local whites. This is revenge.

So on the one side you have a free blacks fighting to get revenge against a personal foe, and on the other side you have free blacks fighting for a unproveable belief.  

It isn't PTSD it is a heritage that many Black DOSers parents never explained to them because it isn't simple or pretty or analagous to any other in the usa. 

Remember, Black DOSers in the USA history timeline had four parts, and they don't match whites. 

1. Blissful Isolation [most of africa was to far away to be meddled in extremely so only distant traffic with europe or asia, Black DOSers free forebears from ancient times live ]

2. Abrahamic slave period[ islam first and christianity second spend centuries making the continent of africa a slave traffic den, black dosers first enslaved forebears are forced to the usa and elsewhere  during this time and their descendents remain enslaved until the next phase ]

3. the laws of Freedom [ in the usa it is the end of the war between the states and the 13th amendment, in haiti it was earlier with the victory of jena jacques dessalines, in brasil it was later with the golden law. but all black dosers in the american continent have a law of freedom date, where their first taste of freedom in some fashion exist ; in the usa , this period ends with jim crow ]

4. the second phase of freedom [ in the usa it is the 1980s. jim crow has finally died enough to not be a factor in a majority of black peoples lives. from the 1980s to now is the second phase. What will determine the third phase? we will see. in the caribbean it is varied, in haiti their second phase stated  earlier and had a negative tone with the suzerainty to the usa, but in jamaica. in jamaica it started with the commonwealth period ]

 

See the difference, it isn't ptsd, it is a historical reality that Black DOSers are not along the same historical line as whites or non black DOSers in general. And I think many black people are in denial or were never educated properly by their parents simple because the truth was painful. As finding your roots, the show,  proves, the usa is full of people, of all kinds, who rarely were told the truth by their parents and the reasons aren't an accident. the truth rarely gives the answers that make you fee better. why pioneer and many black people like him are so adamant that the usa is the home of black dosers, because if the usa isn't, that is a frightening reality he and i think many black dosers have always dreaded to cognize. 

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

suggests that Black folks have found a comfortable place within the system of racism white supremacy.

It doesn't suggest comfort, Black people have never been comfortable in the usa. The black lives matter protest proved one thing, the youngest generations of black people in the usa  are not comfortable. Now are they willing to suffer ? yes, but that is black heritage in the usa, again. Black people today suffer but we don't suffer as bad as in the past, that is the improvement. does it mean we are comfortable ? no! profd, that kind of talk i argue criminalizes black people for convenience. We are not comfortable, we are angry. but we are used to dealing with pain. that is the Black DOS heritage. I know it isn't as glitzy as starting businesses with zeal  or immigrating with dreams, but it is the truth. 

Black DOSers have always had two camps in our populace concerning the usa and both were extremes, largely because they were forced to be. And that heritage, yes Black DOS heritage clearly needs to be embraced more cause we don't seem to use it enough in discourse. 

Pioneer says black people regardless of anything need to embrace the usa which insults the majority of Black DOS heritage, centuries old heritage. 

You profd, suggest black people are happy, which insults Black history in the usa at the least, because we are willing to suffer and survive, which is part of Black DOS centuries old heritage. 

 

In conclusion, I have said it before. I have never liked the usa or felt myself apart of it. But, I do comprehend Black peoples history in it. In a blunt way. Clarence Thomas exist in the heritage of black people who were willing without any guarantees of freedom or any proof of a better tomorrow to fight for the creation of the usa next to those who owned them. There have always been DOSers like that and always will.  Assata Shakur, rest her soul,  exists in the heritage of Black people who fought even as a minority populace in the black populace in the usa against white people and the usa, like the black loyalist, who like her died in a far away place never seeing their dream fulfilled. These two groups have no merging place, no bridge can be made. 

so, when you speak of black people being comfortable, who are you talking about? black people like assata shakur? they exist today. you aren't speaking of people like clarence thomas because black people like him have always viewed the usa as their home, even under oppression. ala Frederick Douglass. Douglass was enslaved saw white violence annihilate black people, yet he embraced the usa wholeheartedly. And as he said in his speeches [ https://aalbc.com/tc/blogs/entry/357-frederick-douglass-our-composite-nation/  ] the potential is what he believes in. And for him the potential already has the structure in the constitution. 

When Pioneer speaks of the USA being Black peoples? is he speaking about the usually trickles but sometimes flows of black DOSers who leave the usa every decade from when the usa was european colonies? is he speaking about some from the exodusters , who wanted their own state? and oddly enough he sounds like frederick douglass, who also couldn't accept other black views to black life. Douglass like Pioneer has decided all Black DOSers are Statian/american regardless of how they feel about themselves? 

 

I know I have said everything time and again in this forum, but I only do it because i think it matters. Black people, all of us, have to start speaking from our history. Stop speaking of us through the views of others. We are not the black people from nigeira or ethiopia who all came to the usa willingly. We are not the white jew who was never financially blockaded from anything in the usa. We are not the white asians who similarly have always been allowed to own businesses in the usa, plus were never enslaved. Black DOSers are unique. A negative uniqueness? true, sadly. A negative uniqueness hard for a black parent to explain to a black child without lying or absenting the truth, trying to guide that young life to embrace the usa or their non black neighbor positively? yes, very hard. A negative uniqueness hard for non blacks who don't have the same problems to cognize or make positive room in their plans for while the populace of the usa becomes ever more mixe? yes, not an easy table.

But it is the truth. Black DOSers can choose to be Statian, but we can choose not to be. Neither is wrong or right. Black DOSers have a heritage of suffering, which was earned by having to suffer alot. The native American has suffered the most and yet has never once had a group try to truly hurt this country. The native american isn't comfortable, neither are DOSers but both have survived a long time in pain, it teaches you to deal with it in ways, other people of color, can't. That is why , white cubans in florida are who they are. Why chinese americans are who they are? Cuba has the highest literacy , the best health care system and white cubans suggest it is hell. All because Fidel took their homes away, some of their lives. But they haven't lost their language, their culture and were mostly allowed to leave freely. imagine if white cubans had been enslaved and had their culture blockaded? Chinese in the usa call china a bad country for not having elections. china has more female business owners than any country in humanity. china is second only to the usa in financial potency. the chinese americans freely came to a country that used a war as a cover for an experiment on high powered weapons on asians who live pretty close to china. Imagine if the chinese americans was enslaved. Yes, Black DOSers are used to suffering in the usa. sad but true. We don't crack under pressure like other non white europeans , people of color. Look at the news. As white europeans in the usa tighten the immigrant noose, more and more immigrants are unraveling. Can't take the heat. Black DOSers are used to far worse than what they are growing through. 

 

I don't care for the condition of Black people in the usa, but I comprehend it. I ask all of you to comprehend better Black DOSers village in the usa. Not what you want from it, but comprehend it. Comprehend how black people have guided themselves today, which you guys rarely ever say. It isn't about the whites. Today it is about Black people, but how we manage ourselves from over one hundred and fifty years ago. 

 

and I end on an even keel. Rememeber like minded black people. Profd , @Pioneer1 I ask this of all in this forum , time and again. 

Find like minded. We three are not like minded. yes, we all want black betterment, but 99% of black people want that. But the definition to that betterment, the path is not the same, and let's embrace that. Most whites in the usa ended up supporting the creation of the usa with a minority not. but black people had three groups, not two when the usa was founded, and two of those groups were opposed to the usa or whites in general. And no, time doesn't erase as some humans foolishly suggest. Hell, ask the white jew about the power of time's erasure in germany. White jews had been in germany since the time of Charlemagne. yet, white christians in germany clearly were not persuaded by time to find some common ground. So why should black people expect our heritage of trivision, not division that is two trivision is three, go away because of the quantity of black people in the federal military or the historical note of a black president. It doesn't work that way. Find your people fellas, and I wish you the best. I really do. And I wonder why you haven't found your people. What are you doing wrong that you don't have a better black group around your views. Are you not looking? Are you only complaining? Are you not willing to make hard choices? 

 

 

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 And always remember profd, I know i say the following a lot, but it seems to me many black people don't cognize the following, when the usa was founded most Black people were against the creation of the USA.

Got it the 1st few times.

5 hours ago, richardmurray said:

yes, but look at the history of resistance. Haiti won their freedom but it was from a violence larger than self defense. Ireland won their freedom but it was a level of violence beyond self defense. What peoples in humanity in an impotent position used violence as self defense and actually won? who? 

Regardless of internal issues, Haiti and Ireland are still independent countries.

 

5 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Black people today suffer but we don't suffer as bad as in the past, that is the improvement. does it mean we are comfortable ? no! profd, that kind of talk i argue criminalizes black people for convenience. We are not comfortable, we are angry. but we are used to dealing with pain. that is the Black DOS heritage.

Whether it is comfort or anger, my point is those Black folks don't appear to be willing to change their condition. 

5 hours ago, richardmurray said:

You profd, suggest black people are happy, which insults Black history in the usa at the least, because we are willing to suffer and survive, which is part of Black DOS centuries old heritage. 

I'm not suggesting or equating comfort with happiness. Maintaining status quo is a form of complacency. 

 

5 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Rememeber like minded black people. Profd , @Pioneer1 I ask this of all in this forum , time and again. 

Find like minded. We three are not like minded. yes, we all want black betterment, but 99% of black people want that. But the definition to that betterment, the path is not the same, and let's embrace that.

Read you clearly there. I even adopted your suggestion of Black tribes. 

5 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Find your people fellas, and I wish you the best. I really do. And I wonder why you haven't found your people. What are you doing wrong that you don't have a better black group around your views. Are you not looking? Are you only complaining? Are you not willing to make hard choices? 

Your suggestion of tribes clicked because I already have it.

 

My dialog here at AALBC is not a recruiting effortt nor a desire to change how anyone else thinks.

 

Just sharing my opinion, view, perspective on topics that come up.

 

Unfortunately, I do not hold my tongue or restrain my typing fingers when I have something to say which is usually about everything. Silence is not an option for me.

[Pioneer1]

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

On 10/12/2025 at 3:52 PM, ProfD said:

Maintaining status quo is a form of complacency. 

well, very few human beings in human history choose to change the way of things absent a path or something they can see. 

This is the problem with the million man march, black lives matter... women lives matter, the modern immigrant populace in the usa today.

MAny say, we need to change this or that. and ok, but then when the masses ask, what do we need to do, and where are we going? no one can answer. 

And up in the air isn't good enough. 

Again, Ireland and haiti. Yes, Haiti's goal was to be free... but their was specifics. Haiti must become a black republic. So a black army has to kill the french/spanish/usa/british to make that happen and that is what the haitian army did, they defeated the french/spanish/usa/english. The usa tried to take toussaint thinking it would unravel haiti but dessalines steppped in, a lesson many countries in the 1900s outside the white european didn't learn. That isn't just black people need to be better.

Yes the IRA was only a few hundred people and most irish in ireland were opposed to the IRA at some level or in some fashion. Yes, the IRA wanted irish freedom from but they were specific. Ireland must become a republlic. They didn't have the irish populace supporting them for arms so, terrorization is the plan. Terrorize the english into giving up ireland. It isn't just irish people need to be better. 

To be blunt, too often, people especially those in leadership positions in the usa say, people need to be better but offer no specificity. 

And to our multilog here, and it is fortunate, you communicate into it, the various tribes in the black populace in the usa rarely have leadership that offers specifics. 

My best example is always Black republicans. Black republicans always tell everyone else black they are doing wrong or bad or some negative, but when asked how to get these masses, not a black individual, from the current place to a better place, they have no answer, but individualism. and individualism isn't a collective plan. 

Going back to the million man march, telling over a million black men looking for communal guidance, which i know from first hand accounts, and getting a bunch of individual speeches, is dysfunctional. All these black men know they need individual betterment, but what they are looking for is the plan for the group. 

And speaking of tribes, sometimes a tribe is situational. The black men at the million man march were a tribe for that event. the people behind it like farrakhan were so against function/specifics/ or continuing the vibe, the million man marchers don't have a website or anything. Those million men could had been asked to each give a dollar a year, and each have an equal valued vote in where to use it. And men giving their million man march membership as inheritance to another black man. 

That is from 1995 to 2025, thirty years of funding one project each year with a million dollars a year. 

No the black populace in the usa isn't running the usa now with that, but, I argue even that small bit of communal planning is something far better than telling black men freely chose to be part of this to be good fathers. 

 

So , yeah, I comprehend your argument against complacency, but I have to make it clear. Too often people don't offer a destination for the status quo and I call that very negative leadership. 

And to cut away from the village for a second, it goes into really, alot of arguments in modern humanity. 

Macau compared to Hong Kong proves my point. One chinese city state, with a semi autonomous government is having a great time, the other isn't? why? it isn't status quo complacency, it is negative leadership in hong kong and positive leadership in macau. 

When biden spent two trillion dollars on his development package and Scrumpft became president, people complained but, when you have a populace of over three hundred and fifty million people and your grand investment strategy is to make computer chips in new york state, well... 

Saying people don't comprehend or people are complacent dodges the simple truth. You made a negative plan or had no plan and in the history of humanity that tends to lead to negative situations. 

[ProfD]

On 10/14/2025 at 8:34 PM, richardmurray said:

 

This is the problem with the million man march, black lives matter...

 

Those million men could had been asked to each give a dollar a year, and each have an equal valued vote in where to use it. And men giving their million man march membership as inheritance to another black man. 

That is from 1995 to 2025, thirty years of funding one project each year with a million dollars a year. 

Right. A great financial investment opportunity was lost post-Million Man March.

 

The Million Man March as an event was necessary especially back in 1995. 

 

I attended the Million Man March.  It was great to see so many positive AfroAmerican Black men of all ages;  fathers and sons, uncles, cousins, etc., from all over the USA standing together in fellowship. 

 

To your point, there was no long-term plan or follow-up after the Million Man March. 

 

I'm not religious but I believe Black churches are missing a huge investment opportunity considering they collectively  receive $10-$19 billion dollars per year.

 

A fraction of that money could go into building a Black banking institution. A source of wealth that could be used for other investments.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

18 hours ago, ProfD said:

I attended the Million Man March.  It was great to see so many positive AfroAmerican Black men of all ages;  fathers and sons, uncles, cousins, etc., from all over the USA standing together in fellowship. 

 

exactly 

 

18 hours ago, ProfD said:

A great financial investment opportunity was lost post-Million Man March.

 

18 hours ago, ProfD said:

To your point, there was no long-term plan or follow-up after the Million Man March. 

amen, I can only add one thing , the designers of the million man march, the nation of islam/farrakhan have to be blamed for the lost opportunity + no long term plan or follow up. 

And I can see why , cause though I have no proof, I will gamble a reshare online that, the nation of islam + farrakhan saw the million man march as a membership drive. Which in my view is a dysfunctional plan but I can see it with them. the Nation of Islam's primary problem from the time of malcolm has always been that they are membership first help second. Malcolm was help first, help second. Malcolm didn't feel a black person had to be a nation of islam member to be helped nor did the black populace in the usa need to revolve around the nation of islam and his exile i argue gives proof to my point. 

Black men in modern times were not going to all join the nation of islam through this event. 

18 hours ago, ProfD said:

Black churches are missing a huge investment opportunity considering they collectively  receive $10-$19 billion dollars per year.

 

A fraction of that money could go into building a Black banking institution. A source of wealth that could be used for other investments.

I second you again, and instead of a bank, why not a credit union. again, banks by law have a more complex legal situation  which is designed to be challenging. Credit unions are simpler to start, more simple in their financing. 

I will even go further and say, with most black churches protestant, why can't they form a credit union where each black church is a member? they could had did that decades ago. Black churches + black colleges are the earliest black institutions in the usa post war between the states, 1865. The first time black people in the usa have some form of true collective freedom. So the fact that black churches don't have a financial institution made up of themselves is telling to their administration. They are in competition with each other to such a level, they can't unite. 

 

In conclusion, and it goes to the same problem with the nation of islam, the black religious groups in the usa, are very tribal. Membership first, everything else second. I see this every sunday. In harlem today, with all the strangification or white reentry, the black churches still get their sunday folk who don't live in harlem to come in and wear their hats and carrying on. MEmbership first, everything else second. And I don't mind the tribalism. BUT, these same people then complain about the village all the time.  If you are about your tribe so much that you can only help someone in the village when they are a member of your tribe, fine , acceptable, BUT  bitching about the village is unacceptable when you aren't willing to help anyone unless it is for tribal gain. And they are not alone. When the HArlem EMpowerment Zone was started with Charlie Rangel , the house representative of harlem, a senior house member, black, supported by the clintons, only one black owned business in harlem got any money from that initiative, that was Mr. Copelands, who spirit flew years ago and whose restaurants have been out of business for years as well. He said so on a show called like it is with gil noble, also no longer on television as Mr. Noble, spirit also flew. I comprehend the white man runs the USA. But, 70/30. Harlem hasn't started any black owned nation wide franchises. I will  apologize for Black Harlem. But that doesn't mean black owned businesses like Mr. Copelands, that were around for decades, couldn't be considered on equal footing, in the HArlem Empowerment Zone, by Black elected officials who all spoke positively of the Harlem Empowerment Zone. ... Said officials all also received alot of money for themselves... this is why SHirley CHisholm left... anyway, I don't mind tribes helping themselves, membership first. But, the black people need to do better speeches, from nation of islam/black churches/black elected officials who have failed to plan positively or effectively for the village, exposes that all three relate to the village as membership first, individualism second. Once you become a member of their tribe, they can do , if you are not a member, you are on your own and they are free to berate your failings, while never helping, even when they can. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

I second you again, and instead of a bank, why not a credit union. again, banks by law have a more complex legal situation  which is designed to be challenging. Credit unions are simpler to start, more simple in their financing. 

Right. My point was establishing financial institutions specifically to help Black folks.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

I don't mind tribes helping themselves, membership first. But, the black people need to do better speeches, from nation of islam/black churches/black elected officials who have failed to plan positively or effectively for the village, exposes that all three relate to the village as membership first, individualism second.

IMO, religion and organizations in general that require membership and do nothing for the people but enrich themselves are problematic.