What If We Focused On Local Development?

[KENNETH]

There are Black majority cities in America like Atlanta, Detroit, Baltimore, and even Jackson Mississippi. What if Black politicians at the municipal level began working with wealthy black entrepreneurs to develop and diversity local economies especially disadvantaged neighborhoods ? Think about it.

 

What if we pooled public and private resources to replicate what Geoffrey Canada did with the Harlem Children's Zone in New York City ?  After all a good start early in life in a livable environment comes before any kind of academic achievement or entrepreneurial success. Right?  

 

Secondly, what if black business people and politicians formed public/private partnerships to seek out new sources of investment like Chinese, Middle Eastern, and West African ? 

 

Third, maybe we need real democracy in black politics which means independent thought and action that challenges the Black Democratic Leadership Establishment. I'm not saying move to the Republican Right. But demand more from our so called leaders. If you can't provide viable solutions to problems like crime, violence, poverty, academic failure, and the racial wealth gap then you get voted out. 

 

So what's keeping us from doing these things ? 

 

1. We don't live together and aren't forced to work and strive together inspite of our class, political, or status differences the way Jim Crow and DeFacto residential segregation forced us too. 

 

2. Middle and upper income blacks have their own priorities even among individuals that differ from poor and workingclass  blacks. Race, blackness, and struggling against racism don't matter as much anymore or in the same way to all black people. 

 

3. Black business and professional people aren't necessarily always concerned with advancing black people collectively. Elected officials and political insiders often benefit themselves and their cronies. And the Black Capitalist is no different from the white one if he's a major player. The Black Capitalist is about maximizing profit. They only help other blacks if there's money to be made.

 

So this is my non expert take on things.

 

[ProfD]

I would love to see Black folks collectively do better in terms of nation and wealth building. 

 

Realistically, I know that Black folks are way too fragmented for that to happen.

 

It would take like-minded Black folks to join forces and get it cracking.

 

Otherwise, Black individuals and tribes will continue doing their own thing and whatever that means in terms of success.

[KENNETH]

Just now, ProfD said:

I would love to see Black folks collectively do better in terms of nation and wealth building. 

 

Realistically, I know that Black folks are way too fragmented for that to happen.

 

It would take like-minded Black folks to join forces and get it cracking.

 

Otherwise, Black individuals and tribes will continue doing their own thing and whatever that means in terms of success.

 

I think this is the case. Thanks for responding.

[Pioneer1]

Kenneth

 

So what's keeping us from doing these things ? 

 

The low intelligence, for many.

 

You might as well be asking why don't the squirrels in a park learn how to run to the store and buy their own nuts and acorns and build a little shed to store them instead of relying on humans to feed them.

 

They WOULD....if they had sense enough to.

 

 

People with high intelligence generally don't have to be constantly rallied and begged to do things for themselves.
They just unite with eachother, get on up, and DO them.
No need to hold pep rallies and have people constantly scold you and criticize you and beg you to do something for yourself.
If you got sense enough TO do it....you're GONNA do it.
And usually, nobody has to tell you to.

 

Truth be told, most Black folks with normal and high intelligence ALREADY ARE doing most of what you've described.
The somewhat sad part is, often times they have to network with other races because they can't find enough OTHER Black folks they can build with.
 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You might as well be asking why don't the squirrels in a park learn how to run to the store and buy their own nuts and acorns and build a little shed to store them instead of relying on humans to feed them.

Hole up bro....most squirrels do gather their own acorns. They aren't sitting around waiting on humans to provide them with SNAP benefits.

[aka Contrarian]

It's not like all white people have their thing together. It's no secret that millions of them are in the same category as black folk, struggling to get ahead. And a whole lot of them are worse off that Blacks who have reached some degree of success. 

It's really about elitism and oligarphy. About wealth being  concentrated in the hands of a few who exploit the masses.

Yes, white skin is a pass port to opportunity, but it can only take  you so far. 

 In reality, true equality has never existed in the world, and traits like honesty and integrity don't necessarily reward you with success.

The law of the jungle still pervades human civilization. And rugged individualism has to be fortified with ruthlessness and driven by greed.  Luck also plays a role.

 

Life is a bitch. Black folks lost Africa to foreign invaders and they've been struggling ever since. Unity is a pipe dream when skin color is too often the only thing groups have in common.

 It's a cruel world

 

 

 

 

[ProfD]

31 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

Unity is a pipe dream when skin color is too often the only thing groups have in common.

The whole post is on point but gotd8mnit.. that quote is  solid gold.

[umbrarchist]

My mother called my Science Fiction books "Something CRAZY" while paying for me and my two older sisters to attend a Catholic grammar school. The nuns NeVeR taught science. One sister told me that a nun said, "Science and Religion don't mix!"

 

We had a World Book encyclopedia in the house. I used that encyclopedia to look up more stuff from science fiction books during my grammar school years than I did because of school assignments in grammar school and high school. 

 

Concrete Example:

 

A Fall of Moondust by Arthur C Clarke 

 

He used Plato's Allegory of the Cave to explain the infrared perception of reality.  I read that in 7th grade, 1964. Now we hear that Allegory all of the damn time since that Matrix movie.

 

But every week the nuns gave us 20 words to spell and use in a sentence.

In 7th grade we had to spell:

ANTIDISESTABLISHMENTARIANISM

Of course that has been extremely useful.

 

Years ago I offered to pay some nieces and nephews to read some books I selected. They refused. If schools teach kids to hate the crap they are given to read, what can you expect.  I refused to read Catcher in the Rye in high school. Read about some White boy so dumb he gets himself kicked out of 3 or 4 schools? To hell with that! Screw him!

 

Star Wars is NOT Science Fiction!

.

[KENNETH]

10 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

It's not like all white people have their thing together. It's no secret that millions of them are in the same category as black folk, struggling to get ahead. And a whole lot of them are worse off that Blacks who have reached some degree of success. 

It's really about elitism and oligarphy. About wealth being  concentrated in the hands of a few who exploit the masses.

Yes, white skin is a pass port to opportunity, but it can only take  you so far. 

 In reality, true equality has never existed in the world, and traits like honesty and integrity don't necessarily reward you with success.

The law of the jungle still pervades human civilization. And rugged individualism has to be fortified with ruthlessness and driven by greed.  Luck also plays a role.

 

Life is a bitch. Black folks lost Africa to foreign invaders and they've been struggling ever since. Unity is a pipe dream when skin color is too often the only thing groups have in common.

 It's a cruel world

 

 

 

 

 

I think you make a good point. However Americans won't do anything about gross economic inequality and oligarchy unless they recognize these are systemic not individual problems. Moreover until they believe politics and government can advance the public good, it will be business as usual.

[umbrarchist]

12 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

It's not like all white people have their thing together. It's no secret that millions of them are in the same category as black folk, struggling to get ahead. And a whole lot of them are worse off that Blacks who have reached some degree of success. 

 

 It's a cruel world

What is "Get Ahead"? 

 

I think that is part of the problem. We are Indoctrinated to compete with each other. My senior year in high school I watched this White boy cry in class. I was so shocked I didn't even laugh. I had gotten straight D's in religion freshman year. I thought about the hundreds of hours he must have spent doing Idiotic Busywork in order to get Straight A's in EveryThing!

 

In college an instructor walked in the first day and said, "I am giving 2 A's and 4 B's!" 

 

Knowledge is not a Zero Sum Game. But grades can be turned into that. Theoretically a teacher might be so great that every student could acquire A level knowledge. But the system is structured to force everyone to compete.

 

That is what makes it so strange that Dbl-Entry Accounting is SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS old but it is not mandatory in high schools, but we should want to get straight A's in 4 years of English literature. I got straight B's.

 

It is a SCAM and our parents did not warn us.

 

Then we are not supposed to figure out Planned Obsolescence in automobiles. I am talking to another economist on BlueSky about Depreciation now. He usually responded in less than 20 minutes.

 

It has been 8 hours but he hasn't blocked me.  When I piss them off they block within 5 minutes.

 

The system is way more cruel than it needs to be partly because most people are not supposed to know what is really going on and easy to rip off.

[aka Contrarian]

@umbrarchistIn the context of what I'm  claiming, "getting ahead" is about coming from behind your loser life. It's not about completing with others; it's about competing with poverty.

[ProfD]

40 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

What is "Get Ahead"? 

 

I think that is part of the problem. We are Indoctrinated to compete with each other.

 

The system is way more cruel than it needs to be partly because most people are not supposed to know what is really going on and easy to rip off.

People are trained to compete for pre-determined slots within the system. 

 

22 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

It's not about completing with others; it's about competing with poverty.

Gotd8mnit sista...you're on a roll with the quotables. 

 

Those pre-determined slots are limited.  Only a handful of people enjoy living in poverty.

[Pioneer1]

On 10/21/2025 at 9:46 PM, ProfD said:

Hole up bro....most squirrels do gather their own acorns. They aren't sitting around waiting on humans to provide them with SNAP benefits.

I'm talking about the squirrels in a PARK...lol.
Urban dwelling squirrels who rely more on humans than on themselves.
But I think you understand my point.

We've been hearing this for generations.
About what Black folks NEED to do.
At this point, if they still aren't doing it......what does that tell you?


 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm talking about the squirrels in a PARK...lol.
Urban dwelling squirrels who rely more on humans than on themselves.
But I think you understand my point.

I don't believe urban squirrels rely on humans more than themselves for acorns they can find in the park. 

 

The problem is humans like to treat animals better than they do each other. People sit on park benches with a bag full of nuts trying to befriend a rodent.

 

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We've been hearing this for generations.
About what Black folks NEED to do.
At this point, if they still aren't doing it......what does that tell you?

Black folks have been consistently going to church and listening to the same message too.

 

Tells me we gotta keep preaching the message of Black folks becoming more self-sufficient and less dependent on the system.

[richardmurray]

 

@KENNETH if you want the honey and not the pot, just scroll to my conclusion

 

On 10/21/2025 at 4:52 PM, KENNETH said:

There are Black majority cities in America like Atlanta, Detroit, Baltimore, and even Jackson Mississippi. What if Black politicians at the municipal level began working with wealthy black entrepreneurs to develop and diversity local economies especially disadvantaged neighborhoods ? Think about it.

Idealistically it is a positive thing. But let me use NYC to explain my counter point.

Is NYC a black city? no

Is NYC a white city? yes

does NYC have more disadvantaged communities than any other city in the USA? yes

does NYC have disadvantaged white communities? yes, more than any other city in the USA? yes

Why can't NYC's white elected officials align with white businesses to aid white communities that are disadvantaged? 

Because the cost is very high. Aiding the poor is not financially cheap. 

 

How does NYC get money every year? the mayor of NYC whomever they are goes to Albany and begs. The federal governments welfare money to states are more vital to every state in the union, including california. But the federal government gives its money to states, not cities, ala when atlanta/detroit/new orleans are any town/village/city that was or is black wants money... they have to beg a white states, thus...

 

What is my point?  overall it is very expensive to finance poverty. It requires losing a fortune. Black people with money, correctly, are the least interested in losing money. Remember, the fiscal wealthy Black populace don't come from Indian Killers or Enslavers, they come from enslaved black folk like fiscally poor black people. They are not interested in losing their money. And yes, you have to give up your fortune to improve disadvantaged neighborhoods. Remember andrew carnegie of new york, he gave up his fortune and built many of the libraries that are all over the world, but that wasn't cheap. He needed every penny. 

Remember in the late eighteen hundreds, circa 1865, the black populace of the usa was denser than ever after, and that is why white people in black states/louisiana/mississippi/south carolina or white people in white states everywhere else, cut open pregnant black women. State power matters in the usa.

 

On 10/21/2025 at 4:52 PM, KENNETH said:

What if we pooled public and private resources to replicate what Geoffrey Canada did with the Harlem Children's Zone in New York City ?  After all a good start early in life in a livable environment comes before any kind of academic achievement or entrepreneurial success. Right?  

HArlem Children Zone and the larger field of charter schools had support from the government of NYC and NY state. Remember, most charter schools didn't have to build new buildings, the government allowed most to use buildings they did not buy for repurpose or use public school buildings spaces. That is a financial advantege brought by the government. Second , across all phenotypes most children in NYC, black/non black/ male/female go to public schools. The charter school movement was never about the mass education of any group of children. It was about making another layer for parents who wanted their kids to go to a school like styvesant or bronx science but the seats are filled, so charter schools became a second tier. But remmeber one thing, when a child fails in a charter school, you know where they go... public school. So Canada, whom I ... Canada has said many things but I know the truth. His movement was about a particular sections of parents having their own zone. 

Now why does this matter? what your talking about isn't about helping a section of the disadvantaged but you want to help a whole disadvantaged community, you have to find actions that actually help a whole disadvantaged community. In the USA those are not easy to find.

 

On 10/21/2025 at 4:52 PM, KENNETH said:

Secondly, what if black business people and politicians formed public/private partnerships to seek out new sources of investment like Chinese, Middle Eastern, and West African ? 

This like your first is idealistically correct. The problem is, unlike the USA who spent most of the  nineteen hundreds revitalizing completely war torn  or fiscally mired countries[japan/england/france/germany/spain/portugal /italy/korea/china/mexico /canada ] to gain their allegiance against the soviet union , losing the financial advantage the usa had over all of them. Said countries are not interested in any fiscal deal that will not return something of equal value. Sequentially, the Black DOS populace or even the larger black populace in the usa don't have mineral access, don't have aquaspheres, don't have anything physical to trade with. China gives money throughout afirca/south america/south east asia for minerals/resources. West Africans wealthy pay for high end european goods. DOSers don't have any luxury brand businesses. The Middle Easterners sometimes give for long shots or long term investments, but a welfare line around the world exist to them. As I type this comment, people from every community in humanity are in saudi arabia, qatar , or united arab emirates begging for the oil barons to give them money. 

I think some DOSers plans may reach them but many want their money. 

On 10/21/2025 at 4:52 PM, KENNETH said:

Third, maybe we need real democracy in black politics which means independent thought and action that challenges the Black Democratic Leadership Establishment. I'm not saying move to the Republican Right. But demand more from our so called leaders. If you can't provide viable solutions to problems like crime, violence, poverty, academic failure, and the racial wealth gap then you get voted out. 

Another Ideal. positive. But I have a little history with this topic in the forum here.

You say demand more from so called  leaders, being a poor leader, one who doesn't get positive results, doesn't mean your not a leader.

But then you want leaders to provide viable solutions. 

Here is the issue. In the usa no system exist for any voter to demand anything from any elected officials. That is the difference between a parliamentary system and the statian system. In the usa's entire history voting is a gamble. The gamble is, if I vote for you, will want to stay in the position so you will do for the voter, the trick is, I am guaranteeing you a set of time, even if you do nothing for the voter. So, there is no way to demand anything in the usa system. White people don't demand votes. Poor whites don't demand votes. Rich white people buy votes, that isn't even demanding, that is paying for a service. Which black people don't have the money to do. 

The problem with providing a viable solution is a strategy can only be considered a solution after implementation. No matter how intricate or well spoke a plan, no plan is worth anything until it is implemented. 

So, I comprehend what your asking, but the legal system in the usa doesn't allow for either. 

 

A little history:) of me and one of my solutions,a  black party of governance.

 

The Black community in the USA need an alternative to Black officials from the Party of Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln 2022
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/9211-the-black-community-in-the-usa-need-an-alternative-to-black-officials-from-the-party-of-andrew-jackson-or-abraham-lincoln/
commentary
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1890&type=status

What Blacks haven't done?
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1929&type=status

Immigration on African Americans
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1941&type=status

Black PArty of Governance Post
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1945&type=status

Detroit and the state of a Black Party of Governance
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2124&type=status

Black Women and the two main parties of governance in the usa
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2137&type=status

The lessons in 1865 not learned
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2549&type=status

Shirley Chisholm proved the college of black elected officials isn't serious, that is why she left them
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2571&type=status

With the 250 year anniversary of the USA maybe black people should celebrate radically

https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2776&type=status
Multivisions in parties of governance
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2148&type=status

Specific needs
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2238&type=status

 

On 10/21/2025 at 4:52 PM, KENNETH said:

So what's keeping us from doing these things ? 

 

1. We don't live together and aren't forced to work and strive together inspite of our class, political, or status differences the way Jim Crow and DeFacto residential segregation forced us too. 

 

2. Middle and upper income blacks have their own priorities even among individuals that differ from poor and workingclass  blacks. Race, blackness, and struggling against racism don't matter as much anymore or in the same way to all black people. 

 

3. Black business and professional people aren't necessarily always concerned with advancing black people collectively. Elected officials and political insiders often benefit themselves and their cronies. And the Black Capitalist is no different from the white one if he's a major player. The Black Capitalist is about maximizing profit. They only help other blacks if there's money to be made.

 

To 1 , Your correct black people don't live as close together as in the late 1800s , but the reason why isn't self inflicted, remember when you were a kid and they showed black people hanging in jim crow, that wasn't a joke. Black elders to their forever dishonor don't like to admit the reason black people left the south was fear based on white terrorism. It is that simple. And like today, even back then, many black people, DOSers in particular, are unwilling to accept violent action. Jim Crow's purpose was not merely to harm black people but to make our communities suffer at the hands of whites so we would break up. whites succeeded, it is not easy undoing that damage.

 

To 2 + 3 In defense they never have, even in the late 1800s there were black tribes nonviolently fighting each other. And remember when the usa was founded most free blacks fought against, so... the most free, most financially wealthy blacks have always been split in themselves and at some level to the larger populace of black people. I argue the problem today is the nonviolent, self determination mantra black people preached to black people has succeeded, the problem is, it isn't enough to reach certain levels of growth as a populace. Black individualism made the modern usa. Black financial wealth has grown in the usa despite historical financial disadvantages strictly to black people , persistent  governmental limits specifically to blacks . That is black individuals fighting. BUT, individualism has limits. I will even be nice and say, the Black people like frederick douglass in the past, hoped, dreamed, that Blac Individualism would carry black people to a day when the greater USA embraced individualism the same way. the two problems are, most whites still enjoy and desire the power one can have access to with communal strength over other communities. And most non Black people of color came late to the party so to speak, so they carry a communal nature from the countries they come from and thus it will take their bloodlines more time to reach the individualism that exist in the white anglo saxon protestant slavemaster/black descendend of enslaved/first peoples commonly called the native american.

 

IN CONCLUSION

To municipal power, the quickest idea is to get the fiscally wealthy black to support a campaign of breaking up the states in the union. why? no matter what any city in the usa does, if the state government to the state it is in wants to stall or stop, they can and that is that. 

I rephrase, if you get a willing black city, and willing black fiscal entrepreneurs, a white state government can use its power to hold up anything in the courts. So, your first idea needs state power. Get the wealthy behind that. 

 

To private public pooling, great idea but you need to have a specific goal that actually helps a wide swath of black people. At the end of the day, many of the initiatives that helped black people in the usa from 1865 to today, didn't help a wide array, they helped black people in specific places or with specific means or specific scenarios. When the usa gave native american land to white settlers, the condition of the white settler didn't matter. Find a specific thing that can help across the board of black people. 

 

To the money outside the USA, the most common invester will want to see an automatic return of wealth or near term wealth growth. You have to find something that the Black populace in the USA has that can do that. Keep looking you will find it. 

 

The best strategy to increase the rate of results in the usa system that maintains the philosophical line of black voters is to emphasize parliamentarianism. Most Black people in the usa are :not radical enough, not anti usa enough, not anti white enough, too pro individual, to accept a Black party of governance. But parliamentarianism is the best solution for your desire to get better results. Make it where the time of voting isn't enough. The reason why both major parties of governance in the usa are filled with do nothings is because the only time of consequence is the voting time. Not the time in office. Make the time in office consequence and it will change the rate of results. You will have opposition but I think it is doable. 

 

When you assess the black populace in the usa , never forget, that our timeline isn't whites. Black people were enslaved before during and after independence. 

IF you look at the usa from a important moments for Black people, 1492 to 1865 is one whole era of enslavement. White people have the french-indian war and independence and war of 1812  but from 1492 to 1865 remember, over 95% of black people in the usa are completely enslaved. Over 95% of black people in the usa from 1492 to 1865 were born, lived and died enslaved. No, house in martha's vineyard, no lincoln hat, no wage, no sailor on a whaling ship. I know you know black history. But one of the problems with black history throughout humanity is the timelines for non blacks we black people consider speaking of ourselves. 

That means 95% of black people were enslaved for almost 400 years. And what came after the period of enslavement from 1492 to 1865 in Black Statian history? the period of Jim Crow. Now what is Jim Crow? Most will say Jim Crow is segregation, but that isn't true. Segregation is the white view of Jim Crow. The Black view is how long it took for black people to nonviolently integrate with the white populace in the usa. 

Jim crow is from 1865 to 1980. It took over a hundred years for Black people to nonviolently integrate with whites. Why? that was the black plan. When 1865 hit, a bunch of black church elders made a vote on what to do, cause whites were already killing black people after the war between the states for revenge or to take land or to force to sharecrop or to scare us into fleeing. So black churches new. Black churches, voted on the side of nonviolence. [I am working on finding the names of who voted] Remember at 1865 Black churches were the undisputed black leadership in the usa with a totally devoted populace. And what did black people do while whites guted pregnant black women/made up laws to place black men in prison for life to rebuild the south/placed black children in electric chairs/had black people fight in the spanish american war+world war one + world two all awhile no black person could open a bank account, use the bathroom, use the bus , own land, in 99% of places in the usa/black communities in the cities north and west were completely defunded by white governments/law enforcement agencies throughout the usa made money off of peddling drugs to black people sometimes by force while also making money by putting us in jail for the drugs they dumped into our communities .. black people nonviolently and individually suffered the blows embraced all the insults and pains and inequalities and never hurt white people while kept trying to be part of the systems they didn't want us to. With the help of the soviets, some mistakes in administration by whites, by 1980 Jim Crow was officially a little old man. Not dead, but no longer a major factor in the lives of most black people which is how he started in 1865 with what whites call the nadir of american race relations.  Remember Alice was in the 1970s. 

Now we are in the integration era. Black people collectively or individually  survived enslavement from 1492 to 1865 gaining no money no wealth losing many traditions by whip by shackle. Black people's collectives were shattered by Jim Crow from 1865 to 1980 but Blac individualism was able to thrive. Now from 1980 to 2025 and the near term, black people have to catch up to whites who have from 1492 to 1980 a near five hundred year head start on being statian absent any of the financial advantages of stolen land from other human beings or enslavement of other human beings and we have to compete with immigrant populaces including some that are black  who are smaller in populace, for example ethiopian americans are 380,000 people far less than the forty million DOSers,  so easier to move in fiscal capitalism allowed to pronounce and embrace the cultures they came with whereas DOSers were not allowed in enslavement of jim crow to cherish our cultures publicly. So... yes Black people in the usa today have a high level of individualism, but it isn't for nothing. It is unwarranted. Slavery nor Jim Crow were a joke, and we didn't do it to ourselves, and four hundred years is not going to be undone in forty sorry. Anyone black tell you that is a liar. When you see a nigerian/chinese/white jew say Blacks don't know how to do this or that. Remind them that, Nigerians ancestors were not in the slave boats, nigerians ancestors didn't have to deal with enslavement from 1492 to 1865 nor jim crow from 1865 to 1980. There wasn't a day in british west africa where 95% of Black people were told they couldn't have their culture. Where they had to live chained up. Chinese and white jews were starting businesses from 1492 to 1980 in the usa, in places black people were not allowed or could not. 

Yes, Black Individualism is high, that is how Black DOSers survived nonviolently. Give ourselves a hand. It wasn't easy. 

 

 

 

[harry brown]

Black. Unity. Will. Never.  Happen. Because. Of. Religion. And. Politics. ,The. Racist White. Use. Religion. And. Politics.  To. Stop. ,Black. Unity. ...Preachers.  Steal. All. The. Church. Money.  Buying.  Cars.  And. Houses ..Where. Is. Black. Lives.  Matter.With All  The,, Millions of.  Dollars. Money.  They.  Got.  ..???. Street. Gangs.  Street. Thugs. Crack. Houses.  Pimp  Houses.  .......Black. Politicians.   NAACP.  Do. Not. Try.  To. Uplift. Poor. Inner. City.  Communities. ....

[KENNETH]

On 10/23/2025 at 10:45 PM, richardmurray said:

 

@KENNETH if you want the honey and not the pot, just scroll to my conclusion

 

Idealistically it is a positive thing. But let me use NYC to explain my counter point.

Is NYC a black city? no

Is NYC a white city? yes

does NYC have more disadvantaged communities than any other city in the USA? yes

does NYC have disadvantaged white communities? yes, more than any other city in the USA? yes

Why can't NYC's white elected officials align with white businesses to aid white communities that are disadvantaged? 

Because the cost is very high. Aiding the poor is not financially cheap. 

 

How does NYC get money every year? the mayor of NYC whomever they are goes to Albany and begs. The federal governments welfare money to states are more vital to every state in the union, including california. But the federal government gives its money to states, not cities, ala when atlanta/detroit/new orleans are any town/village/city that was or is black wants money... they have to beg a white states, thus...

 

What is my point?  overall it is very expensive to finance poverty. It requires losing a fortune. Black people with money, correctly, are the least interested in losing money. Remember, the fiscal wealthy Black populace don't come from Indian Killers or Enslavers, they come from enslaved black folk like fiscally poor black people. They are not interested in losing their money. And yes, you have to give up your fortune to improve disadvantaged neighborhoods. Remember andrew carnegie of new york, he gave up his fortune and built many of the libraries that are all over the world, but that wasn't cheap. He needed every penny. 

Remember in the late eighteen hundreds, circa 1865, the black populace of the usa was denser than ever after, and that is why white people in black states/louisiana/mississippi/south carolina or white people in white states everywhere else, cut open pregnant black women. State power matters in the usa.

 

HArlem Children Zone and the larger field of charter schools had support from the government of NYC and NY state. Remember, most charter schools didn't have to build new buildings, the government allowed most to use buildings they did not buy for repurpose or use public school buildings spaces. That is a financial advantege brought by the government. Second , across all phenotypes most children in NYC, black/non black/ male/female go to public schools. The charter school movement was never about the mass education of any group of children. It was about making another layer for parents who wanted their kids to go to a school like styvesant or bronx science but the seats are filled, so charter schools became a second tier. But remmeber one thing, when a child fails in a charter school, you know where they go... public school. So Canada, whom I ... Canada has said many things but I know the truth. His movement was about a particular sections of parents having their own zone. 

Now why does this matter? what your talking about isn't about helping a section of the disadvantaged but you want to help a whole disadvantaged community, you have to find actions that actually help a whole disadvantaged community. In the USA those are not easy to find.

 

This like your first is idealistically correct. The problem is, unlike the USA who spent most of the  nineteen hundreds revitalizing completely war torn  or fiscally mired countries[japan/england/france/germany/spain/portugal /italy/korea/china/mexico /canada ] to gain their allegiance against the soviet union , losing the financial advantage the usa had over all of them. Said countries are not interested in any fiscal deal that will not return something of equal value. Sequentially, the Black DOS populace or even the larger black populace in the usa don't have mineral access, don't have aquaspheres, don't have anything physical to trade with. China gives money throughout afirca/south america/south east asia for minerals/resources. West Africans wealthy pay for high end european goods. DOSers don't have any luxury brand businesses. The Middle Easterners sometimes give for long shots or long term investments, but a welfare line around the world exist to them. As I type this comment, people from every community in humanity are in saudi arabia, qatar , or united arab emirates begging for the oil barons to give them money. 

I think some DOSers plans may reach them but many want their money. 

Another Ideal. positive. But I have a little history with this topic in the forum here.

You say demand more from so called  leaders, being a poor leader, one who doesn't get positive results, doesn't mean your not a leader.

But then you want leaders to provide viable solutions. 

Here is the issue. In the usa no system exist for any voter to demand anything from any elected officials. That is the difference between a parliamentary system and the statian system. In the usa's entire history voting is a gamble. The gamble is, if I vote for you, will want to stay in the position so you will do for the voter, the trick is, I am guaranteeing you a set of time, even if you do nothing for the voter. So, there is no way to demand anything in the usa system. White people don't demand votes. Poor whites don't demand votes. Rich white people buy votes, that isn't even demanding, that is paying for a service. Which black people don't have the money to do. 

The problem with providing a viable solution is a strategy can only be considered a solution after implementation. No matter how intricate or well spoke a plan, no plan is worth anything until it is implemented. 

So, I comprehend what your asking, but the legal system in the usa doesn't allow for either. 

 

A little history:) of me and one of my solutions,a  black party of governance.

 

The Black community in the USA need an alternative to Black officials from the Party of Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln 2022
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/9211-the-black-community-in-the-usa-need-an-alternative-to-black-officials-from-the-party-of-andrew-jackson-or-abraham-lincoln/
commentary
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1890&type=status

What Blacks haven't done?
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1929&type=status

Immigration on African Americans
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1941&type=status

Black PArty of Governance Post
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1945&type=status

Detroit and the state of a Black Party of Governance
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2124&type=status

Black Women and the two main parties of governance in the usa
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2137&type=status

The lessons in 1865 not learned
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2549&type=status

Shirley Chisholm proved the college of black elected officials isn't serious, that is why she left them
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2571&type=status

With the 250 year anniversary of the USA maybe black people should celebrate radically

https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2776&type=status
Multivisions in parties of governance
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2148&type=status

Specific needs
https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2238&type=status

 

To 1 , Your correct black people don't live as close together as in the late 1800s , but the reason why isn't self inflicted, remember when you were a kid and they showed black people hanging in jim crow, that wasn't a joke. Black elders to their forever dishonor don't like to admit the reason black people left the south was fear based on white terrorism. It is that simple. And like today, even back then, many black people, DOSers in particular, are unwilling to accept violent action. Jim Crow's purpose was not merely to harm black people but to make our communities suffer at the hands of whites so we would break up. whites succeeded, it is not easy undoing that damage.

 

To 2 + 3 In defense they never have, even in the late 1800s there were black tribes nonviolently fighting each other. And remember when the usa was founded most free blacks fought against, so... the most free, most financially wealthy blacks have always been split in themselves and at some level to the larger populace of black people. I argue the problem today is the nonviolent, self determination mantra black people preached to black people has succeeded, the problem is, it isn't enough to reach certain levels of growth as a populace. Black individualism made the modern usa. Black financial wealth has grown in the usa despite historical financial disadvantages strictly to black people , persistent  governmental limits specifically to blacks . That is black individuals fighting. BUT, individualism has limits. I will even be nice and say, the Black people like frederick douglass in the past, hoped, dreamed, that Blac Individualism would carry black people to a day when the greater USA embraced individualism the same way. the two problems are, most whites still enjoy and desire the power one can have access to with communal strength over other communities. And most non Black people of color came late to the party so to speak, so they carry a communal nature from the countries they come from and thus it will take their bloodlines more time to reach the individualism that exist in the white anglo saxon protestant slavemaster/black descendend of enslaved/first peoples commonly called the native american.

 

IN CONCLUSION

To municipal power, the quickest idea is to get the fiscally wealthy black to support a campaign of breaking up the states in the union. why? no matter what any city in the usa does, if the state government to the state it is in wants to stall or stop, they can and that is that. 

I rephrase, if you get a willing black city, and willing black fiscal entrepreneurs, a white state government can use its power to hold up anything in the courts. So, your first idea needs state power. Get the wealthy behind that. 

 

To private public pooling, great idea but you need to have a specific goal that actually helps a wide swath of black people. At the end of the day, many of the initiatives that helped black people in the usa from 1865 to today, didn't help a wide array, they helped black people in specific places or with specific means or specific scenarios. When the usa gave native american land to white settlers, the condition of the white settler didn't matter. Find a specific thing that can help across the board of black people. 

 

To the money outside the USA, the most common invester will want to see an automatic return of wealth or near term wealth growth. You have to find something that the Black populace in the USA has that can do that. Keep looking you will find it. 

 

The best strategy to increase the rate of results in the usa system that maintains the philosophical line of black voters is to emphasize parliamentarianism. Most Black people in the usa are :not radical enough, not anti usa enough, not anti white enough, too pro individual, to accept a Black party of governance. But parliamentarianism is the best solution for your desire to get better results. Make it where the time of voting isn't enough. The reason why both major parties of governance in the usa are filled with do nothings is because the only time of consequence is the voting time. Not the time in office. Make the time in office consequence and it will change the rate of results. You will have opposition but I think it is doable. 

 

When you assess the black populace in the usa , never forget, that our timeline isn't whites. Black people were enslaved before during and after independence. 

IF you look at the usa from a important moments for Black people, 1492 to 1865 is one whole era of enslavement. White people have the french-indian war and independence and war of 1812  but from 1492 to 1865 remember, over 95% of black people in the usa are completely enslaved. Over 95% of black people in the usa from 1492 to 1865 were born, lived and died enslaved. No, house in martha's vineyard, no lincoln hat, no wage, no sailor on a whaling ship. I know you know black history. But one of the problems with black history throughout humanity is the timelines for non blacks we black people consider speaking of ourselves. 

That means 95% of black people were enslaved for almost 400 years. And what came after the period of enslavement from 1492 to 1865 in Black Statian history? the period of Jim Crow. Now what is Jim Crow? Most will say Jim Crow is segregation, but that isn't true. Segregation is the white view of Jim Crow. The Black view is how long it took for black people to nonviolently integrate with the white populace in the usa. 

Jim crow is from 1865 to 1980. It took over a hundred years for Black people to nonviolently integrate with whites. Why? that was the black plan. When 1865 hit, a bunch of black church elders made a vote on what to do, cause whites were already killing black people after the war between the states for revenge or to take land or to force to sharecrop or to scare us into fleeing. So black churches new. Black churches, voted on the side of nonviolence. [I am working on finding the names of who voted] Remember at 1865 Black churches were the undisputed black leadership in the usa with a totally devoted populace. And what did black people do while whites guted pregnant black women/made up laws to place black men in prison for life to rebuild the south/placed black children in electric chairs/had black people fight in the spanish american war+world war one + world two all awhile no black person could open a bank account, use the bathroom, use the bus , own land, in 99% of places in the usa/black communities in the cities north and west were completely defunded by white governments/law enforcement agencies throughout the usa made money off of peddling drugs to black people sometimes by force while also making money by putting us in jail for the drugs they dumped into our communities .. black people nonviolently and individually suffered the blows embraced all the insults and pains and inequalities and never hurt white people while kept trying to be part of the systems they didn't want us to. With the help of the soviets, some mistakes in administration by whites, by 1980 Jim Crow was officially a little old man. Not dead, but no longer a major factor in the lives of most black people which is how he started in 1865 with what whites call the nadir of american race relations.  Remember Alice was in the 1970s. 

Now we are in the integration era. Black people collectively or individually  survived enslavement from 1492 to 1865 gaining no money no wealth losing many traditions by whip by shackle. Black people's collectives were shattered by Jim Crow from 1865 to 1980 but Blac individualism was able to thrive. Now from 1980 to 2025 and the near term, black people have to catch up to whites who have from 1492 to 1980 a near five hundred year head start on being statian absent any of the financial advantages of stolen land from other human beings or enslavement of other human beings and we have to compete with immigrant populaces including some that are black  who are smaller in populace, for example ethiopian americans are 380,000 people far less than the forty million DOSers,  so easier to move in fiscal capitalism allowed to pronounce and embrace the cultures they came with whereas DOSers were not allowed in enslavement of jim crow to cherish our cultures publicly. So... yes Black people in the usa today have a high level of individualism, but it isn't for nothing. It is unwarranted. Slavery nor Jim Crow were a joke, and we didn't do it to ourselves, and four hundred years is not going to be undone in forty sorry. Anyone black tell you that is a liar. When you see a nigerian/chinese/white jew say Blacks don't know how to do this or that. Remind them that, Nigerians ancestors were not in the slave boats, nigerians ancestors didn't have to deal with enslavement from 1492 to 1865 nor jim crow from 1865 to 1980. There wasn't a day in british west africa where 95% of Black people were told they couldn't have their culture. Where they had to live chained up. Chinese and white jews were starting businesses from 1492 to 1980 in the usa, in places black people were not allowed or could not. 

Yes, Black Individualism is high, that is how Black DOSers survived nonviolently. Give ourselves a hand. It wasn't easy. 

 

 

 

 

Thanks so much for your response. There's so much to unpack from many sides. But I'm going to make an effort. 

 

1. We have to approach this from enlightened self interest.

 

A lot of wealthy blacks in business still depend on black customers and government contracts. Advancing human and community development among other blacks translates into more employees and customers which is capital and market share. This is business not altruism. 

 

None of this is strictly governmental or philanthropic. It's market based. Changing how we think about business and growth is essential because most black businesses are very small. But it's necessary to think and do things on a bigger scale for your own sake. And it makes sense to partner with other blacks where possible. Think about a black barber and hairdresser coming together to build a distribution company with perhaps a black rental property owner. Groups like the National Black Chamber of Commerce can and should be forums to facilitate this kind of action. 

 

Despite all the persistent problems and challenges blacks continue to face as entrepreneurs success is possible. The opportunities to grow a company are real both at home and abroad. Think David Steward of World Wide Technologies and Robert Smith of Vista Equity Partners who are bllionaires. 

 

2. Local government and Civil Society play unique and vital roles in business and community development. 

 

Think about taxes, zoning, incentives, funding, and contracting decisions by City Officials matter. If and when blacks in these positions make decisions to help black businesses and communities grow that's progress. And white politicians do it every day. 

 

We as black people wrongly say among ourselves  -  Niggas don't help each other. That's not completely true. Think about United Negro College Fund. Black Greek organizations and even black churches with scholarship funds. Name a major black non-profit or group that has went out of business because blacks don't give? We have to scale up and raise awareness among our own about what's available. The same thing is true about all kinds of black individuals and groups working in our communities all the time making a difference. 

 

Black people today despite our difficulties have more money, education, expertise, political power, and opportunities than ever. We need a mindset and initiative to leverage the resources we have to benefit ourselves individually and collectively.

 

Sometimes we are  too focused on racism and economic injustice worrying about what's lacking or denied us. I'm firmly committed to fighting for our rights. But there are things we can do beyond advocacy and action at the Federal government level to help ourselves immediately on the ground.

 

Black people in the Jim Crow Era did this very thing with far less than we have today.

 

3. We have to put people, places, and things in perspective to see how progress is possible.

 

Cities where blacks are a majority and dominate local politics like Atlanta, Detroit, or even Jackson Mississippi are centers of opportunity to experiment with all kinds of ideas. Places like Los Angeles, New York City, and Chicago are different. But even in the latter possibilities exist. 

 

Geoffrey Canada built the Harlem Children's Zone in New York City with mainly private money from wealthy whites like Bill Gates and corporations. That's an important factor. Black thinkers, activists, politicians, and business people need to study his successes and failures and the possibilities and limits of what Geoffrey Canada did. 

 

Think about what happens when black voters want change. It's possible to kick out leaders who are too focused on themselves rather than the people. Two examples come to mind.  Charles Rangel defeated Adam Clayton Powell in New York in the 1970 Democratic Party primary for Congress. 

 

Corey Booker lost the Newark New Jersey Mayoral race to Sharpe James the sixteen year incumbent in 2002. But Booker returned in 2006 to beat the candidate backed by the retiring James- Deputy Mayor Ronald Rice. 

 

Ultimately there are no guarantees or easy answers. But blacks must be persistent and think differently about the challenges we face. We might try and fail doing different things. However failure is guaranteed if we do nothing at all. Now is the time a kind of black pragmatism that includes advocacy, protest, national, state, local government, entrepreneurial, human, and community development.

[umbrarchist]

On 10/22/2025 at 10:18 AM, aka Contrarian said:

@umbrarchistIn the context of what I'm  claiming, "getting ahead" is about coming from behind your loser life. It's not about completing with others; it's about competing with poverty.

 

OK, I think this relates to how we Think about the Economy.

 

 

I think of it as a Power Game. It is largely the result of White people having more advanced technology than other people as they roamed around the planet 550 years ago.

 

The NAZInomic Wargame is a continuation of the Military Wargame by other means.

 

The only difference between Manifest Destiny and Lebensraum is that the 7th Cavalry did not have tanks and gas chambers in 1976.

 

I don't recall ever liking the term UNITY. I think more along the lines of Rational Cohesion.

 

Figuring out when White people are using technology to rip you off is a pretty fundamental defensive tactic in the war. I figure that even techno-illiterates like PhD economists should have figured out Planned Obsolescence in automobiles by 1980, a Decade after the Moon Landing.

.