afro718 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 And this person also looks mixed themselves? What category would you say they fall into? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 A Black person. What does his or her having a light skinned grand parent have to do with it? Stop judging, stop categorizing and stop looking into the past. The future is now. We have lives to live and a history to safeguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro718 Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, Stefan said: A Black person. What does his or her having a light skinned grand parent have to do with it? Stop judging, stop categorizing and stop looking into the past. The future is now. We have lives to live and a history to safeguard. I'd say the grandparent has something to do with it because the person looks just like their grandparent this person is actually racially ambiguous themselves. and it goes a bit further than just being "light skinned" ...they look another race altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Afro I'd have to actually SEE the person in order to determine which race I would categorize them in. Especially since you said: this person is actually racially ambiguous themselves. and it goes a bit further than just being "light skinned" ...they look another race altogether. For me, race is PHENOTYPICAL (based on how you look) and backed up by genetics. In other words if you LOOK like a Caucasian, you're going to most likely be classified as a Caucasian in my opinion. And if you LOOK like a Mulatto (African and Caucasian mix) you're going to be classified as a Mulatto in my opinion as opposed to simply being called "Black". You can't simply go by what their parents, or grand parents, or any other ancestor was. Scientists say ALL people evolved from the Black race, so if you use that yardstick then you'd be calling everybody "Black"....lol. No. In my opinion you are the race YOU are...not necessarily your Ancestors. A good example is Maya Rudolph: Now in my opinion she's a Caucasian woman. I don't even call her Mulatto despite having an African mother and Caucasian father. Because she doesn't even LOOK Mulatto, she looks like a Caucasian with some traces of African ancestry. Like I said, her mother is African, but for whatever reason her Caucasian ancestry dominated. And in my opinion that's what she is...racially...Caucasian with traces of African ancestry. No different than your average Italian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 More Colorism. I feel sorry for most of you. I know some White Liberals who are more "Black" in loving our entire people than many of you. Maya Rudolph's mother was singer Minnie Riperton. Does Maya reject her Black side as Candace Owens and Stacey Dash have? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 We're talking genetics and phenotype, not love and social allegiances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniellegfny Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 On 6/1/2021 at 9:17 PM, afro718 said: this person is actually racially ambiguous themselves. and it goes a bit further than just being "light skinned" ...they look another race altogether. Race is an artificial construction. Your friend demonstrates that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Daniel If race is an artificial construction....can you change yours, call yourself "white", and be treated as such from now on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniellegfny Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Yes I can say I am From Tunisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Daniel Yes I can say I am From Tunisa I said call yourself "white" AND BE TREATED as such...lol. As long as you have the ability to speak you can call yourself whatever race you like...but will society TREAT you like a White man? Will you get the secret badge that allows you identify as a bonafide "White man"? Will you get the special packets in the mail with coupons that allow you to purchase property for only 10% of the going price? Will you be given the maps and access to secret underground supermarkets that sell fresh high quality foods? Will you be given the monthly stipend of $10,000 spending money? Will you be given special pills that allow you to eat ice cream and other dairy products at an old age without an upset stomach? ...and the many other privileges that come with being White, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniellegfny Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 J A Rodger’s discussed this and it a common discussion. How one is treated regarding “race” depends on the culture one is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Daniel How one is treated regarding “race” depends on the culture one is in. True. However this doesn't negate any points that I've made regarding the reality of race in this society. Since you are in THIS culture, do you think simply CALLING yourself "white" will afford you all of the benefits and priviledges that come with actually BEING categorized as White in this society? Will you be invited to special "white only" meetings....and be granted an opportunity to actually sit down with "The white man" himself ? The White Man (himself) "Hey there. Go ahead and have a seat buddy. Give me a couple minutes while I finish this report for our operations in Belarus" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniellegfny Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 There were no White people 700 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 4 hours ago, daniellegfny said: There were no White people 700 years ago. An excerpt of The Last Sermon Of Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly." This sermon was delivered on the Ninth day of Dhul-Hijjah, 10 A.H. ( 623AD) in the Uranah valley of Mount Arafat in Mecca. https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/articles/thelastsermon.html If there were no White people 700 years ago, who was he referring to in his Sermon back in the year 632? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Troy Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 Pioneer, see the issues with race? Again race is an artificial construct and a relatively new one to boot. Even America’s definition is inconsistent. Irish people weren’t even considered equal to the whites man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 Daniel English translation Lol...so according to this logic..."bread" and "soap" and other things with English names didn't exist UNTIL the English language existed to name them. Troy The problem isn't with defining race, the problem is with the ignorance and confusion of the people. The planet is round whether ignorant people think it is or not. Ignorance and confusion doesn't affect the existence of something. Irish people weren’t even considered equal to the whites man. Great example of the ignorance and confusion of the people. Again, just cause they BELIEVED that people who looked like this: ....for some reason weren't considered "white", it doesn't mean they were correct. It just shows you how silly and ignorant they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniellegfny Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Lol...so according to this logic..."bread" and "soap" and other things with English names didn't exist UNTIL the English language existed to name them. My question to you is did you read or listen to “How To Be An AntiRacist”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 5, 2021 Report Share Posted June 5, 2021 On 6/4/2021 at 7:13 AM, daniellegfny said: My question to you is did you read or listen to “How To Be An AntiRacist”? No sir. How about you provide a link for me so I can check it out. I'm not sure how one can be an ANTI-racist but Neely Fuller Jr. has spent decades teaching AfroAmericans how to be COUNTER-racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniellegfny Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 http://libro.fm/referral?isbn=9781984832214&rf_code=lfm212929 How to be An AntiRacist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniellegfny Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 @Pioneer1for your education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 On 6/6/2021 at 10:50 AM, daniellegfny said: http://libro.fm/referral?isbn=9781984832214&rf_code=lfm212929 How to be An AntiRacist I asked for a link to "How To Be An AntiRacist" and instead you send me a link to some application I have to register and sign up for? That's like a friend asking to borrow a couple dollars and instead you give you a job application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniellegfny Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I asked for a link to "How To Be An AntiRacist" and instead you send me a link to some application I have to register and sign up for? That's like a friend asking to borrow a couple dollars and instead you give you a job application. For as long as you have been a member of this site you should already have a Libro.fm subscription. I used my monthly credit for the book. The money helps this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 3 hours ago, daniellegfny said: For as long as you have been a member of this site you should already have a Libro.fm subscription. I used my monthly credit for the book. The money helps this site. Thank you for that UNsolicited advice for what I should do with MY money..lol I'm sure (to a degree) you meant well. But I didn't ask for a link to registration. I asked for an actual link to "How To Be An Anti-Racist" I wonder if you're this ADVERSARIAL with your customers? They get in and say, "Take me to the hotel" and instead you drive them to a homeless shelter, and when they demand you take them where they want to go -instead you give them a lecture on how this is the best route for them to save money...lol. "I know what YOU'RE saying...but I'm telling you staying HERE will save you more money! As long as you've been coming to this city, you should know this by now." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniellegfny Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Thank you for that UNsolicited advice for what I should do with MY money..lol Cheap and Hostile!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Daniel It's attitudes like THAT....that give Uber drivers a bad name, lol. You're the type of guy who probably rolls the car a little bit while the passenger is trying to get out if they don't leave a big enough tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniellegfny Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You're the type of guy who probably rolls the car a little bit while the passenger is trying to get out if they don't leave a big enough tip. That was you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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