Democratic Socialist- Mamdani part 2
Event created by richardmurray
This event began 06/24/2026 and repeats every year forever
In part 1 I assessed Mayor Mamdani's laws in the legislative bodies of New york city.
https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/363-zohran-mamdani-legislation/
As mayor he supported three members of the democratic socialist against members of the party of andrew jackson who are not.
Darializa Avila Chevalier defeated Adriano Espaillat
Brad Lander defeated Dan Goldman
Claire Valdez defeated Antonio Reynoso
When I look at Mamdani I see a continuation from Obama through Schrumpf.
Obama who couldn't win an illinois seat focusing on the black vote, won by splitting the black and white vote and that led to support from very wealthy donors which undid Hillary Clinton's run.
As president Obama was brilliant at speaking, commercials, advertising, appearance but was woeful as a legislator, a maker of laws. the laws he made were not only poor but dysfunctional.
Obama inspired a bunch of people who are what I will call, aracial americans: OCasio Cortez + Orlhan and others do commercials for certain cultures but in truth are Statians, of the usa. They are more comfortable in the multiracial malaise of racially mixed zones of cities in modern USA than the racially aligned zones that afix most of the usa.
Ocasio Cortez and others, prompted laws in congress but none of them were able to get the support of the majority in congress,
Then Schrumpf did what Obama did in the party of andrew jackson and broke through the methodology in theparty of abraham lincoln. Where Obama , focused on splitting all the phenotypical votes and focusing on the aracial voters, usually younger. Schrumpft , ignored the hawks, calling for isolation, ignored the christian, admittedly calling for pussied to be grabbed, and focused on the poor end of the fiscals, by touting america first.
Schrumpf like AOC before him and Obama before her, is a poor legislator.
Now, more will join AOC in the congress, and from my standing the speeches will get more sharp, the polish of appearance will be great, but the legislation is more deadlocked than ever. So, I don't see any new laws coming from the congress of the usa unless, a coalition is made between the anti schrumpt + democratic socialists in the congress. But with lobbying I don't see how. the jewish lobby is the biggest loser and the democratic socialist + many schrumpt + ant schrumpf folk, seem very disinterested in supporting israel.
As I said with Obama, and AOC, and Schrumpft , I said with MAmdani and his local crew. What are your laws and if your laws are impotent , which means don't get results, that will lead to a negative reaction among the common folk. And, then they participate less and less. The most important thing to note about the elections in the dinkey primaries was these were low turnout. It wasn't that a majority of people voted. It is that, a minority voted, but that minority vote was split. Which means, the voters are looking at these candidates carefully and any failure will be problematic.
INFO
https://www.npr.org/2026/06/23/nx-s1-5868676/mamdani-nyc-primaries-progressive-dsa
FORUM POST
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/
CONTENT
Mamdani and the democratic socialist
IN AMENDMENT
Did you know in 2024, the populace of the 13th congressional district was deemed 747,542 while the complete vote for the election, donkeys plus elephants was 217,622. That means 29.11 % of the people voted.
In the donkey primary election that just passed, Chevalier had 32,790 votes while Adriano Espaillat had 30,464 which means as central harlem, a third of the 13th congressional district has 300,000 people, twenty percent of a third of the 13th congressional district voted. Does that mean, Chevalier represents the people of the 13th congressional district? Or does that mean the Democratic Socialist movement is all media hype and no true reaction from the masses?
AFTER READING THE COMMENTS BELOW AND SEEING IN HINDSIGHT
Most in this group saw the rise of Mamdani, especially as a democratic socialist. Though only I connected his style to that of Schrumpf + Obama. For I don't see any difference between either of them. All three are very good at media campaigning, the key to getting elected, but none are actually good at legislation. The problem Obama+AOC+SChrumpft+MAndani+Chevalier and all their peers have is ... I will not say. But, the elected official who doesn't do the one thing they all do, will open a true can of worms, completely inevitable or foresightful at this point.
IN AMENDMENT 2
@LupeToddMedina
your well spoke in
@InsideCityHall
i think the democratic socialist of america seem to have a similar agenda as the tea party or maga movement , to get rid of the long standing folk in government for new faces, regardless of the bureaucratic outcome. https://x.com/Thetenner10/status/2071745583769850294
COMMENTS TO DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM
2016 this was said by @Pioneer1
Bernie Sanders says some good things but too many of his supporters are pushing Socialism...or what many of his supports call "Democratic Socialism"....which will not work for Black America because too much socialism will make our people lazy.
I've seen too many talented Black men and women who grew up thinking they could "slick" their way through life by hustling and pimping the system until they could somehow get a social security or disablity check for a few hundred dolllars....then they're satisified.
But in a properly managed economy, if they were pushed to use just HALF of the good sense God gave them many of them would be millionaires by now.
On the other hand we don't need unbridled Capitalism either because it will lead to the type of exploitation and despotism you see brewing in the United State today that locks so many poor AfroAmericans out of the economy and creates a "permanent underclass".
SOME things that people depend on for their very livelihood like healthcare and education should be socialized.
Other things should not.
I'm not hating on Bernie.
I think he'd probably be a better President from a domestic policy point of view than Hillary and I KNOW he'd be better than Trump.
But we have to learn that what works for OTHERS will not necessarily work for us.
What we need as AfroAmericans is a system uniquely designed BY us...FOR us; and if not implimented by a Black politician in an executive position such as President or Governor....atleast whoever does get in office while respect our agenda and integrate it into his/her Administration.
citation
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/3678-this-or-that/#comment-16411
2022 thsi was said by @Stefan
The Democrats are about to get their backsides waxed in this year's midterm elections. Several mistakes are to blame and most are unforced errors.
1) Too many Black people remain ignorant of what Critical Race Theory actually is. It's not Black History, although many well-meaning Black folks claim that it is. And sadly, they cling to this errant view on social media.
But Critical Race Theory is NOT Black History, which is a collection of truths and facts. Theories are simply suppositions.
I will maintain that CRT is taught only at the university level not in grade, intermediate or any high schools.
The problem lies in that few have come up with a ONE SENTENCE description of exactly what Critical Race Theory is.
Most who try to explain it employ 50-cent word verbiage which average readers in the U.S. have a hard time understanding since most read at a 7th and 8th grade level.
Others dance around it claiming: "Oh, it's been around for 40 years and such and such.” Long-winded explanations do little to clear the air.
So, I fashioned a one-sentence retort that can be shoved in the face of CRT detractors.
Because the GOP and its supporters have been killing us on messaging while we've gleefully surrendered the intellectual landscape by choosing to scream dumb chit such as "Defund the Police!"
Oh, yeah, what a winning slogan that was.
Here is my one sentence description of CRT:
Critical Race Theory is a premise that posits skin color and race determine the outcomes of most decisions, laws and behavior in the U.S.
That's it! That is the one sentence description. And this one line should have been tossed back at those White racists who have been skewering us with attacks on the social term "woke." This is why we have lost the Messaging War. And CRT is going to be used by millions upon millions of racist and angry Whites, Latinos and some Blacks to clobber the Democrats at the polls in November.
2) Refusal to acknowledge Bernie Sanders' push for so-called Democratic Socialism has failed miserably.
Far too many folks are still drunk on Bernie's Kool-Aid. I keep running into folks who swear the solution to everything is Socialism. As if this canard of economic belief has been successful in any modern society or nation. However, by listening to this aged clown Bernie, AOC and her merry band of knuckleheads threw in all their social wants and desires into the Build Back Better bill, completely guaranteeing that no one, except maybe Kim Jong-Un, would go for it. The bill had to be reworked a few times before the House took a vote.
That's why it failed. BBB contained too too much, would cost too much and proved far too ambitious for most legislators and pundits. But you can't tell Bernie Bots anything. They truly believe they were sent from on high to rule. Yeah, okay.
In addition to having a new Voting Rights Bill fail, Black people are now going to have to contend with even more Red states preparing their own voter suppression laws.
Gotta hand it to all those dumb-azz 2016 third party voters. By denying Hillary Clinton their votes, they enabled Trump to squeak by in enough states to win him the White House. I doubted Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have survived the first term of whomever won in 2016. She didn't. And this gave Trump a chance to appoint three toadies to the Supreme Court.
I believe more than 10% of Bernie Bots voted for Trump in 2016. Some news outlets peg it higher. Even if most return to the Dems this year, we're still going to lose in November.
citation
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/8362-the-gop-blowout-is-coming/#comment-49238
from 2022 from @anonymous50
Is it possible for an individual, not politician (because most of them are well off anyway), to believe in Democratic Socialism when they are financially successful.
Sure, when a person is financially struggling, Socialist programs are very appealing. For example. politicians like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and AOC promise free college tuition and socialized healthcare that won't bankrupt an individual when they get sick. In some instances very progressive candidates promise to abolish student loan debt, which can be very devastating to someone who owes such debt. They also promise higher taxes on the rich to pay for these social programs.
But, to the dusty* who remains in poverty this does not matter.
They look upon the rich as having too much anyway.
Part of it is class envy and the other part is realism. The so-call 99 percent who look at the extremely wealthy 1 percent class with their palatial manors, Rolls Royces, private jets, yachts, and access to some of the most beautiful women in the world know that all of these luxuries are beyond their reach in this lifetime.
I know some would call this a poverty mindset.
Most people don't have the drive, ambition, skills and patience to become rich.
The paths to riches are limited anyway. Most start up businesses fail after a short period of time. You stand a greater chance of being struck by lighting twice than winning the lottery. Many get-rich-quick schemes advertised in the mail, online, or TV(infomercials) don't work. Only a small number of Pookies and Ray Rays from the hood who aspire to become rappers or baller are successful. People who go to Hollywood to find themselves seldom become the next big movie stars.
So, the poor dusty who struggles from paycheck to paycheck to barely put food on the table looks at the astronomical wealth and toys the 1 percent has and thinks "why should they not be willing to have their wealth redistributed to help those who are less fortunate."
But, when a person is able to lift themselves out of poverty and become wealthy, is he or she still willing to give up a certain percentage of income through taxation to fund the programs that person once relied upon when he or she was destitute? Some politicians would like to impose a 40 percent tax rate on the well-to-do.
*To use online urban vernacular, a dusty is a man(usually a black man) who is low quality, poor, broke, and has no ambition
citation
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/9335-an-affluent-democratic/
from 2025 from @ProfD
This young man, Zohran Mamdani, is the breath of fresh air the Democratic party needs.
Mamdani's positions on social and justice reform, city services, Israel and Jews, etc., may be considered radical. He makes it no secret that he's a diehard Democratic socialist.
I believe his connections to a wide cross-section of people (FBA/ADOs, Muslim, Arab, African, Hispanic, Asian, etc.) and affiliation with the Hip-Hop community among others will propel him to becoming the most popular candidate on the ballot.
Regardless of whether or not Zohran Mamdani is elected mayor of NYC, he actually has a plan for how he wants to run the city. Mamdani's plan could be a blueprint for the Democratic party to overtake the GOP. 😎
citation
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11698-if-you-want-to-know-more-about-mamdani/#comment-74720
from 2025 from @Mel Hopkins
If the NYC mayoral race were a novel, I'd deconstruct its architecture. From one election to the next, the narrative appears to shift away from focused policy debates, instead centering on the influence of religious groups. The major religious factions—Christian nationalists, Muslims, and Jews—each appear to compete for cultural and political dominance within the city.
Amid this religious competition, the African diaspora in the U.S.—a powerful and often underestimated voting bloc—continues to be overlooked and taken for granted by both the candidates and the dominant religious groups.
It sometimes seems as though these competing religious groups neglect the African diaspora’s influence. Ironically, the roots of these religions trace back to African science-based spirituality, yet this connection receives little attention in political or religious discourse.
This dynamic played out in Election 2024: Christian nationalists—including evangelists, southern Baptists, and likely Catholics—rallied strongly behind DJT. Media and external influencers shifted the conversation away from local policy and toward polarizing international issues, like the U.S. stance on Israel and Palestine, further affecting how voters chose among domestic candidates.
When reviewing 2025 election results, I noticed Mamdani was not the only Muslim elected, which raises the question of whether heightened coverage of Gaza led to greater sympathy and increased Muslim representation—a trend potentially extending into the midterms.
Don’t misunderstand—I bear a grudge against all religions. Religious study should bring wisdom, spirituality, and growth, yet it often has the opposite effect. Religions lead to violence instead of joy and peace. Add patriarchy, and it’s chaos.
Returning to the story's structure: Is this a narrative of democratic socialism rising in the heart of Wall Street? Consider Manhattan—the FINANCIAL CAPITAL OF THE WORLD—and its boroughs. Is the city that never sleeps really ready to move from capitalism to social ownership? Notably, NYC is the largest property owner according to Curbed.com, and the mayor administers these assets. Perhaps social ownership is the underlying story arc behind recent shifts.
So, in this story—call it Project 2025 (S)—the central figure is a young millennial poised to challenge the reigning power and reclaim Manhattan for the people. Behind the scenes, religious struggle, human trafficking disguised as immigration reform, and pervasive surveillance set the chaotic stage for change in the city.
Meet the Muslim and Arab Americans who won in US local elections
Jews vote for Andrew Cuomo over Zohran Mamdani in NYC mayoral race | The Jerusalem Post
"In addition to the Jewish vote, Mamdani lost the Catholic vote by a significant margin: 53% supported Cuomo and 14% backed Sliwa, against 33% for Mamdani.
A decisive 75% of voters with no religious affiliation supported Mamdani."
Here's a past look at Manhattan when DJT began buying up NY property in the early 70s(?) a look back at Palestinians, Israel, Libya, etc.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12023-nyc-mayral-thoughts-a-conclusion/#comment-77398
COMMENTARY
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/#findComment-82131
@undefined
I don't know where i conflated. I mentioned democratic socialism or democratic socialist , please quote me where I mentioned socialims alone or stated any elected fficial was advocating socialims.
and for the record, I didn't say the following
Critical Race Theory is a premise that posits skin color and race determine the outcomes of most decisions, laws and behavior in the U.S.
that was @undefined whom i quoted as saying the prior. I have nothing I wish to say on that.
and I am happy the affordable care act has worked out well for you. It hasn't for all, or most, and was never going to, based on its construction.
@undefined
Such a politician has not existed for a very long time since money has run national politics for several decades.
I argue money has run the elected officials for the entire history of the usa, the founding fathers were the wealthiest or well connected white male slaveowners from each state. Money has always been the biggst influencer in the usa government. In my view, it will always be in the future. The key from a monetary perspective is when various financial actors are battling each other, which happens more often than people realize. Yes, the fiscally wealthy in human nhistory rarely like to add new members or desire new members added BUT, the fiscally wealthy in human history have always battled each other.
Nice point, wasn't what I referred to as the thing not done, for the record, but good point, i only oppose your temporal limit on the power of the fiscally wealthy in the government of the usa.
But, the elected official who doesn't do the one thing they all do, will open a true can of worms, completely inevitable or foresightful at this point.
@undefined
First, Barack Obama did not “fail to win an Illinois seat by focusing on the Black vote.” He was already an elected Illinois state senator when, in 2000, he unsuccessfully challenged longtime incumbent Congressman Bobby Rush in the Democratic primary for Illinois’s First Congressional District. Losing one primary to an entrenched incumbent is not proof that Obama lacked political or legislative ability.
When did I say Obama lacked ability? I said, and i quote what you quoted from me
won by splitting the black and white vote
I said he won, how is that stating he is lacking ability. I said he failed and how he failed, which you admitted is true with the following.
he unsuccessfully challenged longtime incumbent Congressman Bobby Rush in the Democratic primary for Illinois’s First Congressional District.
So why are you asking me for evidence to something that you know is true. HE failed and the reason why is obvious. but he succeeded afterward, which is what I said.
Now, I will ask you a question.
Do you want me to imitate sucking obama penis with my prose? considering your response to this post, the only answer you can have is yes. And I Will reply, I Am not going to imitate sucking obama's dick with my prose.
Reducing Obama’s campaign to speeches, commercials, wealthy donors, and appearances misses the central innovation: it built a decentralized civic movement in which millions of ordinary people became organizers, fundraisers, community leaders, and co-authors of the campaign’s meaning. (Obama's Lost Army)
Again, you call it a reduction which suggests it is making him a lesser than. I am speaking truth, you can call it a reduction, but I didn't say he didn't succeed and in my original point, I said he formed coalitions splitting the votes of two groups. so I don't know why you suggest the following
Successful candidates build coalitions.
as if i don't know that when if others besides you read my words, maybe they will realize i stated he won by forming a coalition by spltiting votes. And in the history of the usa, the types of coalitions are not the same, that candidates build and sometimes, a successful candidate doesn't need to build a coalition.
That is called campaigning. It is not evidence that he somehow “undid” Hillary Clinton’s rightful possession of the nomination.
i didn't say him, I quote what I said
and that led to support from very wealthy donors which undid Hillary Clinton's run.
Notice for anyone who can read, what I wrote was, support from very wealthy donors undid hillary clinton, not obama.
I must ask Mel , why you misread me so much? And not just you @undefined can't read my prose, you can't read , none of you people seem to be able to read my prose. Now clearly, I don't write well or at least convey well enough, and I accept that, but in the future, I need to embrace that the second my prose is misread, not to reply to a misread of my prose.
Cause it is silly on my end. You have said the following
I said Obama lacks talent.
I said Obama undid Hillary Clinton
I said , straightly or unstraightly, Obama's campaign was to be ridiculed or diminished.
Before the quote from you.
Now to the allegation that Obama was “woeful as a legislator”
For me, all of that is lies. I didn't any of those things, but you clearly read them.
Now to the laws.
You are correct, it would be more robust or comprehensive to go through a list of laws + executive orders as president , Obama , from illinois state senate to president, initiated or supported or signed. And, it is important to distinguish laws that he didn't initiate but supported, like the affordable care act, which is Nancy PElosi's not hit. But, I admittedly, wasn't interested in spending the time to do that. And as such, anyone can dismiss my position for the absence of comprehensive. But I stand by it.
Ledbetter is BArbara Mikulsky's not Obama's. Yes, he signed it, but that wasn't hit.
And I already mentioned the affordable care act was nancy pelosi, not obama, which i have said in this forum many times.
And I repeat myself, my uncomprehensive claim can be dismissed on its lacking comprehension. Many people love the evidence or proof of the statistical charts or the paper trail, and I didn't provide that nor was I going to. But I stand by my position.
As for the affordable care act, a college friend of mine, a black woman with a child who was never going to get insurance until the affordable care act. was beyond exuberant, which I have said in this very forum, but the affordable care act is dysfunctional legislation.
Dysfunctional legislation like functional legislation will always have those who benefit from it. All laws have beneficiaries, no matter what they are. From white jewish germans going to concentration camps which gave money to gas makers and concrete makers, to the affordable care act, which gave many financial institutions news veins of profit alongside expanding the insurance industry to those blockaded from it.
and a fourth false claim from you, I quote you
I also personally obtained healthcare benefits through the Affordable Care Act, as did millions of other Americans. You cannot erase the people who benefited from a law merely by declaring the entire law a failure.
I am erasing the people who benefited from the affordable care act because I call it a dysfunctional law.
IT is interesting, when you or troy or others make your posts. I never claim such grandiose. I may oppose what you say, but I never expand my opposition to such things. why do you all do that to me? answer that explicative... please
I don't want to convey a gentleness, I hope I succeeded.
And if Mayor Zohran Mamdani can be as consequential for New York City as President Obama was for the United States, then New York may be well positioned to preserve its standing as one of the world’s leading cities.
Well. Obama is what led to Schrumptf so... based on Obama , I think NYC will be the largest most potent city in the usa, as it was before or after mamdani, gardless of mandani/adams/di blasio, the same way the usa is the most powerful militaristic force in humanity before or after obama, gardless of obama/biden/schrumfpt , but the quality of leadership post mamdani if obama is any historical indicator of value will be, a chaos agent. And I don't see how that will be positive for nyc. Luckily for NYC , the demographics of NYC is in some ways, wider than the usa while in other ways narrower than the usa.
If you cannot identify the law, explain the defect and provide factual evidence of the result, please do not tag me merely to repeat a political impression.
Ahhh, I wish you would had said this from the beginning.
I didn't tag you to repeat a political impression. I tagged you and all others , though you may not have seen that, cause those are your words and i didn't want your words on the issue to be considered mine, which has happened in the past in this forum, and which i failed at because @undefined confused one of the peoples i tagged's words as mine anyway.
Now the good news is that I usually don't quote others in my initial posts, but i did this time, simply because it was warranted. But I have learned next time I quote you i will mention your name without tagging you. I have to admit, I wanted to say something more negative or abrasive at the end, but forget it.
COMMENT LINK https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/#findComment-82357
@Pioneer1 your correct , but Obama had a problem.
Obama feared non blacks having any evidence that he acted preferentially to blacks. again, if you look at the modern heritage of black electe officials in the usa, starting from the ten years after 1865 , commonly called reconstruction, black elected offcials of either party have never had a black agenda. This is why I stated what has never happened in the governmental history of the usa is a black party of governance. But, it seems many financially common black people are not interested in that idea, because most black people , not merely the fiscal wealthyist, black one percent, but most employed black people are frightened of losing the wealth that comes with white allowance/patronage/acceptance. and a black party of governance will create a support for anti black actions in the white populace, which will hurt the individualism movement that most black elected officials historically support.
So, to rephrase, obama's agenda was maintaining the individualism concept in black elected officials in the usa, the longest heritage that transcends the donkeys or the elephants.
Now to your point, Obama could had kept his pan human position while helping black people but the problem is, obama was never that good of a legislator, again, aiding all the races in amultiracial mix while having term limits and elected offices isn't easy. IT takes a level of quality that is simply rare.
@aka Contrarian I don't think pioneer chagrins the library. I think it is even to say that Obama didn't help the majority of black people, the financial numbers show a greater financial loss among black folk in the usa, while the black wealthy have grown in wealth tremendously. SO Obama did help the black one percent,. or a minoirty of black people in the black populace of the usa. And this is why I try to emphasize what obama was really good at , and i only wish more black people greater in the media would admit it., which is being an inspiration. It doesn't help pay the bills or makes people feel safer about their possibilities tomorrow, but inspiration has value. Obama, AOC, Mamdani, and yes, even SCrumpft, all play the inspiration game well, none of them inspire all but they each know how to inspire sectors of the usa populace very well, which is how you get elected.
My point has always been to speak honestyly of obama, not creating any myths. even though it seems myths are inevitable in the usa.
COMMENT
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/#findComment-82419
@ProfD
On 7/6/2026 at 1:42 PM, ProfD said:
While there have been several Black movements in the USA dating back to slave revolts & Exodusters & Pan Africanism & Civil Rights, etc., a majority of Black folks have not embraced any one of them.
true , but two questions exists. First, could a majority of black people join any movement in the usa? pre war between the states we were enslaved. The seminoles originally was a collection of first peoples/native americans + a collection of Black DOSers/escaped slaves or free folk, fighting the usa in florida. Frederick Douglass was alive and young adult when the seminole wars against the usa was going on, which ended only a few years before the war between the states started, and lasted about thrity years. So how could a majority of blacks join on the side of the seminoles in the seminole wars? But a thirty year movement even if only accessible to a minority of black people I argue can be considered embraced by the majority who could embrace it, meaning free folk. After the war between the states... No movement has ever been thirty years. the usa federal government kicked garvey out. the black panthers were infiltrated/manipulated/subterfuged/attacked by white power. How could the panthers live to thirty years when fred hampton could be assasinated by the chicago law enforcement like that.
Again, your correct, but white power is real and before 1980, at least my view, white power used all of its resources to undermine black communal activity, and was usually or eventually succcesful, and it wasn't from a lack of desire of blacks to embrace, but resources matter and power matters.
On 7/6/2026 at 1:42 PM, ProfD said:
Along similar lines, starting a political party in the USA has been a non-starter because Black folks vote predominantly Democratic for many decades now & counting.
but before the party of andrew jackson it was the party of abraham lincoln. I argue it is more even to say that black voters have voted as a block to at least one party since allowed by whites/non blacks to vote, though as with all demographics overalll voting percentages or quantities are down over time.
And, strategically I think your being short, as a black woman told me years ago, the modern reality , which started in the late nineteen hundred and sixties is that many black people don't live in black voting zones. Between black people who don't live in black districts, which is ever increasing since the 1960s + blacks who live in black districts in white states, which has been the case for al blacks in the usa since the end of reconstruction, the legal environment made a black party of governance an entity that can't exist across the whole black spectrum in the usa, geographically.
As I have said in this very forum, a black party of governance in the usa, has 100% possibility in black counties,, the largest municipal zones that are majority black. So I argue, it is a non starter but based not on black voting patterns but the environment of the usa. I mean, that is why what whites called the napir of american race relations occured. Whites wanted to make sure not one state in the usa was majority black and killed black people until it happened. And that violence was the source of the so called great migration, not economy which black people for some reason keep lying about.
On 7/6/2026 at 1:42 PM, ProfD said:
The largest movement to which Black folks belong is Christianity. Unfortunately, religious folks aren't overly interested in power & self-reliance & autonomy.
Religion is an opiate that keeps Black adherents transfixed on toiling in life towards meeting the sky fairy & taking up residence in heaven when they die.
really? here is the problem, christianity in the black populace in the usa is a five hundred year old social engineering scheme by whites, Black enslaved people starting circa 1492 were made christian and christianity was peddled every year since then by whites down the throats of a majority of black peple till 1865. so... you say we are apart of christianity like black people are christian by choice and not an inheritance from enslavement. And what is may point? does that make black people crhisitan or merely a people maintaining a heritage started from their own enslavement?
From a participation standpoint, many DOSers have left christianity and religion for a long while. They still believe in a god/great spirit/divine, but I think most of the religious fervor in hthe black populace in the usa comes from post 1965 black immigrants from here or their moreso than black dosers.
COMMENT
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/#findComment-82426
MY COMMENT
@undefined
Reads like the majority of FBA/ADOS Black folks are stuck in a infinite loop of imprisonment within the system of racism white supremacy.
Interesting I know you view the opposition to black folk globally or in every land under each government is centered on a system based on white supremacy. It's dismantling or destruction in your view is the path to freedom for black folk anywhere in humanity.
I also know you view the usa as a best option country. Beyond whether the usa is good or not, liked or not, by those living in it, your point is that, even if a black person was born in a small black town still being terrorized in 2026 by the local whites, the usa is a better option for that descended of enslaved than any other government.
Sequentially, you use the word stuck.
All your points have positive value or truth. White European descended people sometimes, not all the time, coordinate against non whites or non white europeans.. Many people in humanity, gardless their phenotype, love the individualism of the usa. The usa is the country where the individual can defeat the group. Women in religious strict homes or communities can be lesbians or start businesses or live by themselves. Blacks whose entire clan have a negative bias to whites can marry a white person. The usa as the center of a global empire, started at world war two by franklin deleanor roosevelt, is the best place to be for the fiscally wealthy and has opportunity, albeit more and more fleeting for the fiscally poor , and in either case, rich or poor, definitely in comparison to most other countries.
I comprehend your point, but I think the usa as an environment is the problem. Not from white supremacy but the simple design of the government.
The history of willing immigration in the usa proves it works overall for willing immigrants . Yes, willing immigrants starting wth the first illegal ones who landed on plymouh rock but if any group in the usa has a non financial grievance, the usa can't handle it because it was never designed to or to change and be able to. ala the first poeple / native americans or the black/DOSers situation. The best parallel are the lower castes in india. India when it was created, wasn't designed to handle the greivance of the lower castes and so, the caste survives while the country upholds the law to protect the individual.
What can the usa do about non monetary grievance? what can non blacks do, even if they want to hel blacksp, about non monetary grievance?
I argue nothing and never will be able to, and every sean bell only reinforces the non monetary grievance for current ro future generations.
USA can change more than any other government in humanity, but not enough to heal the wounds that are older than itself, between its oldest residents.
I believe the majority of FBA/ADOS Black folks have some type of religious &/or spiritual belief. It is the opiate, coping mechanism to deal with their existence.😎
as james baldwin said, his father and the other members of his fathe'rs church prayed ot god for the damnation of whites. his father hated whites but never once spoke ill to them .
his father like many black people live with ahate to the usa or to whites of the usa, which is to be honest, heritage.
Remember profd, what it seems so many black folk in the usa don't seem to realize, when the usa was founded, whites cheered but blacks were not happy. Most black people knew about what the english offered, in terms of freedom, the creation of the usa was a hateful day for blacks, that i think many modern black people stemming from the 1900s have tried to reimagine for their convenience. But whites in the usa constantly remind black people of the sincerity of that hate. And I repeat, JAmes Forten was a black successful business owner who fought for the creation of the usa. and I think he had a faith that the usa will eventually change to a place where all black people are free.
but james forten like the modern black one percent or honstly pro usa black folk are a minority in the lack populace. And yes, the black militants, like the commonly called black loyalist who sought violence against the whites of the eventual usa were also another minority, , larger in number, smaller in fiscal power, but a majority of black people at the founding of the usa were enslaved people who prayed for the english to win, as whites in the usa fought hard to keep them enslaved while fighting the english to be free of the english. And on th historical result, it lead to a eep hatred that whites have kept relevant for 250 years.
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Reads like the majority of FBA/ADOS Black folks are stuck in a infinite loop of imprisonment within the system of racism white supremacy.
Interesting I know you view the opposition to black folk globally or in every land under each government is centered on a system based on white supremacy. It's dismantling or destruction in your view is the path to freedom for black folk anywhere in humanity.
I also know you view the usa as a best option country. Beyond whether the usa is goodor not, your point is that, even if a black person was born in a small black town still being terrorized in 2026 by the local whites, the usa is a better option for that descended of enslaved than any other government.
Sequentially, you use the wor dstuck.
For me, descended of enslaved black people in the american continent [ canada to argentina] do have a unified heritage of oppression in the american continent to the non blacks of the americas. But I don't think that oppression is based on white supremacy as much as white suppremacy is one of the tools of said oprression. Nor do I think whites in the american continent or globally are organized enough to suggest their oppression warrants the term system.
I also think each government in humanity is unique and the situation of DOSers of Jamaica is not the same as DOSers of Brasil or DOSers of the usa.
To the usa, I think the problem is the environment of the usaa. what do I mean. before the usa was founded black people wer eenslaved to whites in european colonie. Then the usa becomes founded and black people are still enslaved to whites, but now instead of a european crown, it is a colonial businessperson.
Why does this really matter?
James Forten fought for the usa to be born with the idea that it can be changed into a positive place for black people. As barack Obama once said, fix it, don't break it.
Your very prose in this community, shows you feel the Black DOSer must try to change the usa or the usa can be changed fto black betterment. and black people need to get engaged to the usa system for that change to happen.
But, my point is, the usa can't change the way black dOSers need. In the same way the USA can't change to what Firs t Peoples or Native Americans need.
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It is true that whites of european descent have acted in a unified or organized or systemic fashion for centuries. But for me, whites of european descent aren't cofunctional enough, and moreover, for me , each country is their own. Yes, intergovernmental actions occur and social groups can or do function within various government with a singular purpose.
But when I think of the descended of enslaved I see a black people from canada to argentina. And each country has their own situation, even though regional generalities exist.
In the USA's case, the regional [canada to argentina] generality is that each country from canada to argentina in whatever form it took, had or has a black populace who were completely enslaved to whites.
But to my prior point, the problem is the relationship of blacks to non blacks in the european colonies or the usa born from them,
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Reads like the majority of FBA/ADOS Black folks are stuck in a infinite loop of imprisonment within the system of racism white supremacy.
Interesting I know you view the opposition to black folk globally or in every land under each government is centered on a system based on white supremacy. It's dismantling or destruction in your view is the path to freedom for black folk anywhere in humanity.
I also know you view the usa as a best option country. Beyond whether the usa is good or not, liked or not, by those living in it, your point is that, even if a black person was born in a small black town still being terrorized in 2026 by the local whites, the usa is a better option for that descended of enslaved than any other government.
Sequentially, you use the word stuck.
All your points have positive value or truth. White European descended people sometimes, not all the time, coordinate against non whites or non white europeans.. Many people in humanity, gardless their phenotype, love the individualism of the usa. The usa is the country where the individual can defeat the group. Women in religious strict homes or communities can be lesbians or start businesses or live by themselves. Blacks whose entire clan have a negative bias to whites can marry a white person. The usa as the center of a global empire, started at world war two by franklin deleanor roosevelt, is the best place to be for the fiscally wealthy and has opportunity, albeit more and more fleeting for the fiscally poor , and in either case, rich or poor, definitely in comparison to most other countries.
I comprehend your point, but I think the question is,
Can the usa change in a way to make it a positive place for the majority of black people, which is never happened before?
James Forten, Frederick Douglass , MLK jr., Barack Obama, and yourself argue the UA can change to be a positive place for a majority of black people. I argue the usa can not change to be a place of prosperity for a majority of DOSers or Majority of First people./ native americans.
The reason isn't white supremacy but a weakness in the design of the usa itself. The usa is a country designed for willing immigrants, not indigenous people or enslaved immigrants. The change ability of the usa doesn't argue, how to fitx the past. It arguses how to change the future. And that is enough fr willing immigrants, as each willing immigrant populace in the usa or the european colonies who preceded it has shown. But back dues don't work. The Usa argues back dues of a non financial nature, have no remedy but need to be accepted as a civil act of citizenship.
The problem from JAmes forten to various folk i mentioned to now. Most DOSers whether they admit it in media or not, want the revenge and the usa can never change to give that revenge. Not from white supremacy but from the way the usais designed.
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To what other countries should the Black person born in the USA flee?
I am not giving a country I think a Black DOSer should go to alone or in a group, for themselves or actually for the village, but I can say that to each continent I know a Black DOSer from the USA who left the usa to happiness for themselves.
Nothing can be done to heal mental wounds. No apologies or money will ever be enough.
I argue it isn't mental wounds but spiritual wounds.
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The destruction of the system of racism white supremacy will free non-whites & whites too.
so the people black or non black who are profiting under the current order of things, whether a system or by chance are not free? or are they human to you?
There is a reason the USA has a diverse of mix of people. Immigrants from every corner of the planet; some risk their lives to come here.
yes, the reason is far simpler, the usa was born from the english colonies, the english colonies were not financially profitable compared to the french or spanish in the caribbean. the biggest business of the colonies was land acquisiton which morehonestly is the killing of native americans and taking of their land, which in the english colonies before the usa was founded was a multicultural set of whites from europe. The usa is born from the english colonies. the english colonies are the source of the multiracialist in the usa today , new york alone is a proof, when the english took new amsterdam they didn't kick the dutch out but invited them to stay, that is multiraciality, not phenotypically, but heritagewise plus linguistically. Historically the reason for the usa's makeup is very simple. the heritage of immigration is older than the usa itself, it stems from individuals coming to the usa for their individual betterment, with soft communal connections. the whites in europe ha sstrict countries but in the usa, germans/english/dutch/french lived alongside each other as neighbors in municipalities, unlike in europe. From the first english illegal immigrants before the english colonies to whomever is coming to the usa now, the reasons have always been the same, individual betterments, gardless of the populace they were from. And wisely, no other country of power has ever openeed itself to the kind of immiigraiton the usa has and modern immigration isn't from the founding it is from the 1960s as a result fo the commonly called cold war , what i call the third white european imperial global war. the union of soviet socialist republics global strategy was for each governments poor people to rise up and make socialist republics toppling the one percent in each country. the ussr was winning that war, so the usa had to make a counter strategy, their answer was the 1960s laws, the civil rights act to provide some levels of allowances for blacks/women/jews that could not be closed, which is why said groups have more wealth todday than before in the usa, the voting rights act so that the regions of the usa where whites were willing to allow non whites levels of prosperity could do it, and the immigration act of 1965 to allow the flood of poor aoutside the usa to come in, which would create a constant stream of labor willing to work under the market value which the governent would allow by not penalizing illegal immigrants by putting them in jail and destabilizing many countries by creating a populace of financially beholden foreigners who will support the usa for their financial desires while undercut the countries they come from by maintaining a class of people living off of remitance who are able to survive in the country so will suppor tregimes the usa puts in while oppose those who want to make real change.... Most whites in the usa were completely against all three laws, most blacks in the usa were completely against all three law as well. just for the record, so it wasn't done for white unity or some form of white supremacy, I repeat, a majority of whites in the usa were opposed to all three laws. The white one percent, did it for themselves, not the larger white populace. Time has proven the blacks or non blacks who opposed all three laws correct. The civil rights act used the black populace surviving whte terorr to empower whites who were unwilling to go against the system, meaning white women or white jews The voting rights act didn't undo the damage of white terror unto the black voting base, which is why black people fled the southern states in the first place. Blacks didn't flee the south for money , they fled because whites terrorized blacks at every turn so that blacks realized the south was a land of no opportunity in anyway for black people. Laslty, the immigration act deleted the labor union movements of blacks and whites by flooding the usa with cheap laborers willing to work under market rate or outside labor unions for their own personal gratifications. The immigration act also flooded the usa with a horde of more cultures or heritages absent having settled the problems between the native america/ the black DOS/ the white european descent so modern usa is more mixed than any collective in human history and without any possibility of finding a center, outside a fourth war between the peoples in the lands now called the usa, the first being the commonly called independence, the second the commonly called 1812, the third the commonly called civil war ending in 1865 .
To what other countries should the Black person born in the USA flee?
I usually answer this question in this forum, which you have asked multiple times, with I will not say. But this time I will give another answer. I know Black DOSers who have left the usa to the following countries: jamaica/france/japan/South Africa . So I repeat I am not giivng a country I think a Black DOSer should go to, but I can say that in every continent black individuals have left to happiness. the american continent outside the usa, europe, asia, africa.
That is one aspect of the USA people find attractive. There is more to the USA that draws people from all over the planet to it.
Yeah, and the only aspect that has historical consistency. Everything is are temporaries that are not true from the european colonial period circa 1492 to 2026. I repeat Individual allowance is the only historically consistent reason people have come to the usa or the european colonies that preceded it. everything else are temproaries that are not consistent from circa 1492 to circa 2026
Opportunity makes the USA most attractive to people around the globe.
yes individual opportunity. Not just opportunity, opportunity comes in many forms. It is specific, the usa has never bettered any community or collective.
Most of the people born in the USA & certainly not the immigrants who come here really know &/or care about how the country stolen & built with several hundred years of slave labor.
Most people don't know &/or care about how the government was designed either.
in 2026 i am 1005 certain this is true, the biggest proof is voting patterns, again, if you look at voting patterns in the usa, it is clear all demographics, i reepat, all demographics are disengaged from voting. That proves they don't believe in the usa system as something they can change or will change based on the majority of the people, so they don't beleive in the usa, that many who talk about the usa in media suggest the usa is.
That's why immigrants keep showing up. If Black folks born in the USA were to leave, those same immigrants would gladly take their place under the system of racism white supremacy.
yes but as individuals, that is important, it works because they are willing to immigrate and be about themselves as individuals. it isn't a collective harmony. As someone who lived in nyc i can tell you, many immigrants may wave a flag for some country outside the usa when some independence day occurs but most have a negative relationship to the larger populace of pepople from the country they immigrated from. And that is the usa way? again, the kansas nebraska wars that preceded the war between the states prove this. MEdia creates the idea that immigrants are communalists or collectivist, i argue the reality is immigrants in the usa are individualsist to proud to admit it and hide behind a impotent showing of communalism.
The USA could offer 1-way tickets to any country of choice to persons with a non-monetary grievance & who want to leave.
Even better, those individuals can buy their own plane ticket & sky up outta the USA. Nobody is stopping them.
History shows the policy of the usa is to raise the cost of leaving the usa. Their is a legal process to leaving the usa, it requires payment, it is not free, and the federal government raises the price near annually. I don't know where this idea that people can just leave the usa for free comes from. Laws exist for this to be done and with the international legal environments it is unadvisable to not follow the law.
Nothing can be done to heal mental wounds. No apologies or money will ever be enough.
I argue it isn't mental wounds but spiritual wounds. Wounds in the bloodline, as some say.
Like many others, those Black folks who hated white folks found a comfortable spot under the system of racism white supremacy & made the most of their lives.
JAmes BAldwin's whole point was that it isn't comfortable. It is interesting you think James BAldwin's father was comfortable. That is an erroneous position to me. In your mind, a person is comfortable while in a daily bind of hate and numbing routine.
Black folks in the USA know they cannot undo its history.
Why did you say this? What in my words usggested anyone black is trying to undo history, anywhere? It isn't just the usa were blacks were enslaved to whites completely. My point is black people are lying about the relationship the majority of black people have to the usa or the european colonies that preceded it.
I have never said the usa wasn't founded. I have nevrer said some black people didn't fight for the usa to exist. BUT, the relationship the uncontested majority of black people had to the usa at its founding was not love or hope but lament or desperation, while completely shackled.
To restate, it isn't that black people are trying to undo history but they are lying about black history. JAmes Forten's viewpoint was not the viiewpoint of an unchalelngeable majority of black people from 1492 to the 1960s. I Argue from 1960s to day, the majority of blacks are still the same, but it ins't in the ninety or eighty percent but in the sixty to seventy percent with so many black immigrants from the caribbean/africa/asia who are akin to nonblacks in their relatonship to the usa, not Black DOSers.
Until Black folks do something about that hate, they are in a holding pattern of finding a comfortable spot under the system of racism white supremacy.
Again, i really despise you calling people comfortable who are in pain, i find it insulting in all earnest. I can imagine you telling a black child that doesn't know about history that black people in the usa or the european colonies preceding it have been comfortable the whole time.
James Forten had choices...1) live the best life possible under the conditions or 2) overthrow the government or 3) flee to another country or 4) kill himself.
The wording of 1) and 3) are dysfunctional or vague.
I argue no one can get two human beings to concur on what the best life possible looks like or is defined. 2)3)4) are all well defined, but 1 ) is a vagueness.
you use the word flee, it is historically known, some black people immigrated to monrovia, as free peoples who owned business, they were not individually unhappy, but they couldn't stand the majority of black peoples unhappiness, so they wanted to go somewhere where the majority of black peopel are not under local a non black boot. I prefe rusing the word immigrate. Or having an adjective with it. y enslaved forebears were immigrants but were unwillingly enslaved immigrants. I know it is more wordy but again, I hope you are not speaking to black children about black history like this.
You are msising many other choices,
5) live unhappily waiting to die naturally, that is james baldwins father
6) become an agent of non blacks , underrated how many blacks have done this.
7) set up a black government in the usa, this is the exodusters
8) if the language of 3 must be then , immigrate to another country not for individual needs but to be about a safer community, thus wanting their best life under other conditions
Interesting how you mention the choices 1) to 4) and not the others .
The majority of enslaved Black folks were given religion to quell their hatred of & anger towards the white who enslaved them.
Instead of joining with other groups who love to destroy white people, Black folks are still using religion to deal with the existence of living under a system of racism white supremacy.😎
I oppose this read of history. The majority of peoples in humanity adhere to religions, that were handed down from their lineage which originally were forced unto most peoples, including chirstianity in europe, to grow the influence of churches. in every tongue has to confess by zora neale hurston it is clear, that white religious groups circa 1865 were fighting to gain members to their churches from the Black DOS populace for political power, not to quell hatred or anger towards whites.
other groups , like who ? can you name one of the other groups?
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Fair enough. I know far more Black folks from other countries who find happiness here in the USA than I hear from FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS ex-pats living abroad.
All of my FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS enjoy visiting other countries & working in them for periods of time but they always come back to the USA.
yeah , remember, the Black DOS relationship to the european colonies or the usa or others like brasil or mexico or india isn't financial. Our forebears had their world destroyed and then their children lived under the manipulation of enemies for hundreds of years. Money can't repair that. What Black DOSers should be looking for isn't money but a home that was lost a long time ago. A positive, overwhelmingly Black home.
Black Immigrants are looking for money. The USA is great at individual profiteering. IT was from the time of the european colonies to today. Robust Communities never survive in the usa, even white ones, individuals can always do well in the usa.
Point taken. I started to list physical & spiritual as wounds too.
Bottom line is deep wounds never truly heal without some form of revenge.
Otherwise, people remain scarred for life & from one generation to the next.😎
And that is the battle in the modern usa. Although the following is a crude summarization,
it boils down to those, of all lphenotypes, who see the usa s empire, enslaver, white that regardless of its media appearance needs to embrace its historic truths, which is strategically wiser, at least from a historic perspective
against those who see the usa as a country that can become a binder for humanity. They want to expand what the usa started as a strategy against the soviet union into something to unite all humanity, which has never been achieved for obvious reasons, but if successful can lead to an unprecedented era of healing.
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Fair enough. I know far more Black folks from other countries who find happiness here in the USA than I hear from FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS ex-pats living abroad.
All of my FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS enjoy visiting other countries & working in them for periods of time but they always come back to the USA.
Remember one thing, Black DOSers relationship to the usa is a thing of enslavement, in my mind, the desire to the leave the usa has never been about money but culture/heritage/community. Black Immigrants don't come to the usa to find a culture/heritage/community, they already had that in the fiscally poor country they were in, they left what Black DOSers should be looking for. To restate, the reason Black DOSers should want to leave the usa is not the same reason why Black Immigrants from outside the usa come into the usa. If you are form jamaica/nigeria/sri lanka, you aren't coming to the usa for culture or community, you are coming for one thing only, the only thing the usa can offer, individual financial betterment. But, if you are a Black DOSers in USA/Brasil/Mexico/Venezuela/India/Bangladesh/Pakistan you aren't leaving for financials, you are leaving. . or should be leaving for what none of those countries have, positive plus dominant black community/nationalism/culture/heritage..
Black DOSers had our freedom taken collectively or as individuals, communities destroyed sometimes annihilated, Culture manipulated or mangled. . Money can't buy or repair or change those things. Getting a true Black potent community is not something easy, no matter where one goes. Black DOSers aren't or shouldn't be looking for el dorado. We are looking for a home better than haiti under dessalines, far better than quilomboes or gullah islands ever were. The white european jew has learned and continues to learn that money can't buy a home for your people. The lesson any Black DOSer should had learned with freetown or monrovia. Getting a home for the individual self is a chalelnge but easy compared toa home for your people. But if you can get a home for your people, as history has proven in moments, like haiti under dessalines or henrit christophe. These can be golden times for your people. But, the times will fade cause to truly achieve a new home for any people is a task.
Black Immigrants want money for their individual selves, which is bereft or inaccessible in most countries outside their one percent. USA can help anyone looking for money for themselves. Like the hwites who annihilated the poor first peoples of the american continent, they are looking for el dorados. The USA very nature is to be a place for individual financial profit , take land, kill others, step over others, lie about your true intensions with others, all of that is the way of the usa. In NYC alone, i can tout tons of examples of immigrants hurting other immigrants for financial profit. Hurting others for profit is the true nature of the usa, and thus, immigrants looking to make money will succeed.
Point taken. I started to list physical & spiritual as wounds too.
Bottom line is deep wounds never truly heal without some form of revenge.
Otherwise, people remain scarred for life & from one generation to the next.😎
Two other ways exist, a very kind heart, very kind, which is very rare. This is what Ghandi meant to india, butI still think most indians don't comprehend it.
the other is true happiness. Having a truly happy life, not a life of settling masqueraded as happiness can do it. But these two things are so rare, revenge is the common chnanel.
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On 7/12/2026 at 9:15 AM, ProfD said: The USA with all its warts & flaws is an FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS inheritance.
We should never stop demanding reparations for the 400+ years of slave labor & atrocities committed against our forebears.
maybe i miscomprehend what you mean by inheritance, but if the usa is an inheritance for Black DOSers then Brasil is also an inheritance for Black DOSers who were enslaved to that place? India is an inheritance for Black DOSers who were enslaved to that place? Aren't all the countries Black DOSers were shipped to an inheritance to Black DOSers, if the USA is an inheritance? and if not, why not?
I admit I don't see the usa as an inheritance because I know many black forebears were opposed to it. I rather think Black DOSers have to choose our ancestors we honor. THe ancestrs like James Forten or the ancestors like Colonel Tye? I think James Forten wanted black folk in the usa to see/feel/think the usa that way while in parallel, but no less valuable, colonel tye, didn't want black folk in the former european colonies to see /feel/think that way, and to my own views vice versa. James Forten definitely would oppose my position while Colonel Tye would support.
On 7/12/2026 at 9:15 AM, ProfD said: The USA is our home. It would take a great deal of time, effort & resources to trace our lineage back to pick a part of Africa & establish ties there.
Then, it wouldn’t make much sense for FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS to trade places with the Black folks who are leaving Africa for a better life in the USA.
FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS are not welcomed into other countries unless they can afford to be there i.e. show up with a 💰 bag if they plan to stay for any period of time.
All I can say to open is, I accept with no difficulty or challenge a black person saying the usa is the home of Black DOSers , I also don't have any difficulty or challenge with a black person who says the usa isn't. Black DOSers have a unique relationship to the usa, that to be blunt, isn't as simple or convenient as everyone else who immigrated to these lands on their own volition whether illegal or not plus the native american who is a first peoples.
I have said the followign before, but I view my lineage in africa as continental.. Many Black DOSers talk about an individual tracing to a specific land, which is applicable for individuals in the black dos populace. BUT< if you consider the Black DOS populace in the usa as a group, not individuals, then yu realize the whole continent of Africa is the lineage. do you comprehend? DOSers trace their lineage to all over the continent. In the show "finding your roots" alone, black DOSers guest have shown tracing from senegal to madagascar so... it is the whole continent, at least to me.
Trade places interesting choice of words. I don't see how a person leaving for financial betterment, which is not the only factor in life, can trade with a person leaving for a true home. These are two things that ae not equal.
On 7/12/2026 at 9:15 AM, ProfD said: I would not advise FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS to trade places with them.
The USA is home for 50+ million Black folks who were born & raised here over many generations.
It is neither constructive or productive for a child born to dysfunctional parents to find a better set.
That child should grow up to live the best life possible despite the environment, conditions & circumstances by which they landed on the planet.
FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS have survived & thrived here in the USA despite our history. We are a unique group of people who have done great things & who continue to influence the world.😎
Again, I don't see how a trade can occur when it is two different goals, it isn't the same. the financial poor Black people in various lands of africa have the home but are missing the money. the majority of Black DOSers don't have the home or the money.
It is interesting how you view the actions of a group of people through an individual scenario. a child in a dysfunctional home within one lifetime is how you view tens of millions of people in a country that has been dysfunctional for centuries . Very statian you are, very statian
Well , let's be blunt, no country on earth has a pro immigration stance. BRexit occured because whites in england didn't want whties from eastern europe. Brexit wasn't about london. So your correct that Black DOSers aren't being welcomes but no country welcomes immigrants. Saudi Arabia doesn't welcome Indians or Pakistanis. The only difference between the usa and every other government in humanity, isn't teh stance on immigration, all are anti immigrant. But the usa has a legal framework and a financial industry based on immigration that gives it a different tone.
How do you define a thriving individual? how do you define a thriving people? as I have said in this very forum, if i gain a billion dollars tomorrow, some may argue, i have thrived in the usa. But, that doesn't mean the black populace in new york city has thrived. So how do you determine a peoples thriving? Is it defined through collective action or merely the presence of individuals in the group individually thriving?
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