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Just to throw my two cents in on this, I'm always slightly amazed at the insight Hoteps (African Americans who identify themselves with Kush/Kemet/Egypt/Fertile Crescent) know about Egyptian history, but completely overlook the Yoruba/Dogon/Nommo as the source of who we are as Blacks in America. That just blows me away but I stay away from the discussion because the only recourse is to call me a sell out for not identifying with East Africa as a Black American. To my knowledge and most of the research, the majority of slaves came from West Africa. This places our lineage primarily in line with those from Ghana, Nigeria, and the countries in these areas. I guess the Egyptian African is more attractive to Hoteps because of the glory and connection to the Bible, but I very rarely hear any of these brothers speak of Ogun, Ifa, etc as the original reference to Blackness. Why is that? In regard to Christmas, who cares? Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, Ramadan, etc, who cares? The time of year has been commodified, but if it takes commodifcation for people to put aside their problems and visit family then so be it. If you can get brothers to visit and rap and hang out and enjoy each other's company over ribs, and fatback, and greens, who cares? Whatever brings people together for the celebration of family and giving is cool with me. At the end of the day I care more about the welfare of my fellow man/woman, than judging my fellow man/woman for what they eat or who they worship. I'm a huge supporter of Black business and my religious identity, or lack of it, doesn't shape my support of Blacks. Celebrating Christmas is trivial in the grand scheme of things in my opinion and all of the talk about where the holiday derived from is great for research and information, but ultimately is just additional data for discussing a person's opinion of what they are for or against under the guise of being informed. Even if you didn't know the origin of the holiday you could decide that you don't want to participate, you simply have a pro Egypt reason for not celebrating.

Brother please remember this, we aren't at war, we are trying to find a common ground so we can build a community and help our people . We are fighting something bigger than ourselves. There is not point in fighting against one another. We are united by the same vision which is to help our people to progress. Happiness, Health, Peace and Prosperity, I am not trying to have a go at your or bring you down. The diet eaten at Christmas is poison brother, Coca Cola, meat, sugar and salt, this is killing our people, that's one of the reasons I am so against these European holidays. Happiness, the diet affect the second element Health. We can't have prosperity if we don't have health. Brother we need to change diet and all these European and Arab religions, tv and educations, destroy our ability to reason. Please watch this brother because he is very deep indeed. You see brother, there two types of wisdom, Pre and Post Kemetic. Many brothers are well versed on post Kemetic literature, This brother is a saviour please check him, this is higher plane of understanding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP8ISe0C944 This is what I mean with higher consciousness. I am vegetarian brother, thanks to these black masters who introduce us the philosophies of our ancestors I am checking the links, the first impression is great stuff, You are doing a great job, you can refine it. I don't criticise my brothers or sisters. We must support one another. Evolution is a product of cooperation not competition.

From 1995 to 2011 I taught in the San Diego, Memphis, and Ashland Mississippi. I did this to the detriment of my family because I felt that I owed my people for helping me to become educated. I was also a computer tech and I had every right to just work for a company that paid me well. Add on to this I coached basketball in an area that was home to both Crips and Bloods and some of my students had to live with me in order to graduate. All of this on a salary that was right at 30K in San Diego where the poverty line was 75K. We were on welfare and wic as a family while I was an educator. I left there and came to Memphis where I took what I learned and taught an HBCU. In 2004 I started a website called Center Court Basketball. From 2004 to 2009-10 and part of 11 I sent, by myself over 100 players to college on basketball scholarships. Many of those kids came from New Orleans and luckily I sent them off to college right before Hurricane Katrina hit. During this same time I used my CBP website to help launch the websites of Memphis' own Loretta McNary, a sister. I developed her website and her L logo. At the same time that I did this I also helped a Black Veteran named Terry Johnson launch THe Champions Within which catered to schools through mentoring. I also mentored at several schools through out the Memphis area. When I left the Black college I went to a charter school that worked with struggling students. During my time there the students shot two short films, and created two books. 1 of poetry and the other a book of essays on improving society for the next generation of Black leaders. From that group of kids one student won the ACT SO Competition which led to a schollie to TSU. This is even half of what I did there. Through my CBP Publishing company I published the book the History of the Black Soldier by Colonel Tobbie Ingram, he was one of the highest decorated Black soldiers during the Korean and Vietnam war. When I began ARCH my footwear company I made a shoe that I donated every pair to Laura's House abused women's shelter. I also started a scholarship fund that I fund out of my own pocket for my PG who was murdered in San Diego, and I named one of my shoes for him in my brand ARCH. This scholarship is still available. In the past year or so here are all of the websites that I built and all of the business I helped to start, without charging any of these people. I did it because as a person who struggled I know what it's like to not have help. 901 Prep Scoop: www.901prepscoop.com Chuck Lawson is now recognized as one of the best minds in basketball for the Memphis Area. While running a basketball network, I helped Chuck to get his 901 Prepscoop brand off the ground. I eventually taught Chuck how to run his website on his own and as his content developed his site earned him a position with national prep hoops powerhouse website Dunk Dog. City University School: Setup the original website for City University School and gave them a platform that allowed them to layout a similar setup on their current website. The Champions Within with Terry Johnson: http://www.championswithin.com/ I assisted Terry in creating his website and held a semester long workshop to make sure he had the skills needed to operate his site. Utilizing his basic site Terry has become one of the primary Character Education provider’s in the region and is expanding to the nation. The Loretta McNary Show: Memphis’ own Oprah began her journey almost ten years ago. She has moved on to establish a bigger brand since I initially worked with her on her original website where I developed her “L” logo. She now works with someone else, but my original logo and work is still a heavy presence on her website. Heros Footwear/Neimaj: As the original designer of the Neimaj website, I assisted Jamien Sills over the years in developing his brand. As he grew he took over development of his website. In 2012 however, through my company ARCH I helped Jamien to earn 25000 dollars from the Miller Coors Urban Entrepreneur Program. Utilizing my offshore production I was able to help Jamien make shoes for Mississippi State University and for the Miller Coors contest. My work also allowed for the development of his first athletic shoe the O1. This was a fantastic accomplishment. Brooklyn Ajays: www.brooklynajays.com Brooklyn Ajays is one of the best sneaker companies in the country. Selling hard to find kicks that sneaker lovers are searching for is their claim to fame. Over the past few years ARCH has been instrumental in helping this company attain inventory and stay competitive in the sneaker world. Swiftizm: The California Emcee needed a website that would allow him to control the downloads of his music and keep track of how many times the music was downloaded. He bought One Hour To Wealth and 30 Day when it released, purchased hosting and his domain and during his 60 minute session, I built this website. www.swiftizm.com. Brandon Meeks Music: The Indianapolis Bass player who is also in the group Native Sun, bought One Hour To Wealth. Said he didn’t have the time although he understood everything in the book, to launch his own site. After a few e-mails I told him to book his session. I realized that he didn’t have the money to pay for his domain. Instead of telling him to write me when he bought his domain, I had a discount for a domain and hosting and purchased it for him. I built the website. He was more comfortable with Squarespace as his CMS and he utilized that. He is now rolling along posting and sharing information with his followers.www.brandonmeeksmusic.com Add on to this I created a small biz curriculim for a local school in Memphis and did an in class workshop that taught the students how to start a business without any money. The students ended up making 800 dollars from the class on their own. I funded the development of a startup PR company of a student who was a felon that I taught at a college. I recently helped a lady start a company that makes period panties for women who can't afford to buy feminine products. All the while that I did all of this (which is all verifiable and you can find every person I mention and write them) I ran my own businesses and pulled my family out of bankruptcy. The books that I wrote, 1 Hour To Wealth give all of keys I used to do this (http://www.cbpublish.com/25-keys-points-to-stay-motivated-in-small-business-intro/) Book 2 The 30 Day Project continues this philosophy and is about learning to be still and meditate (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qZgvh49IUo) and the final book F--k Speeches & Inspiration (http://amzn.to/1NS7KKL) tells people how to start a business without having any money. Now you said I insulted Kemetic principles. That's a lie because I listed a brother who is using these philosophies in a positive and uplifting way. I asked you over and over to give your evidence of how it has been successful because you started this thing off with a diss. You asked what I'm doing. Everyday I spend time giving as much help and assistance as I can to jumpstart business. I can post to you Facebook inbox messages, but I will do you one better and give you a link to a Q& A from one of these people I shot for my web show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lSvbeSw8xA At no time did I diss you or dog your religion. Not once. I simply asked you to explain things and you didn't. I then used your 42 rules to show you where you failed your own religion. You being pissed at me is a reflection of you, not me. As I said, look in the mirror.

Peace, Happiness, health and prosperity. Hotep

Show me where I offended you and I will apologize. You continue to sneak in underhanded comments under the guise of Hotep. Your statement of ego and low level consciousness is a diss. You know that. I have nothing to apologize for because I at no time talked about your ego, level of intelligence, ability to earn, and I did not disrespect your religion/philosophy. This is all you've done to me, but you drop hotep as if you have done nothing wrong. Thank you for the greetings of peace and happiness, etc. I wish you well also. There isn't any ill will here simply discussion and analysis on my end as well as questions. These things empower people to me. That's not for you. You do you, and keep it moving. If you show me where I offended you, if I called you out of your name or disrespected you WITHOUT REASON, then I have no problem apologizing. As I said above, I am no longer questioning you. I also said if you continue to diss that I will question you. Finally and I repeat, no man, no woman, no one can tell anyone to move or enter a higher level of consciousness. You have violated your own laws however: 29. I have not judged hastily. Your initial question against Troy 9. I have not uttered evil words. Your statement that I would fail and never succeed. 18. I have not set my lips in motion (against any man). Every statement that said I hate or don't support my people. 28. I have not stirred up strife. Once again your initial statement that started this whole thing. 35. I have not spoken scornfully. Ego and low level consciousness 30. I have not overstepped my boundaries of concern You overstep when you assume someone else's level of consciousness You need to come to terms with your own philosophy and way of life. I'm cool.

In order to get the next group of people to accept what you are doing you have to give examples. Make up your mind. You said Troy isn't an entrepreneur. You said I can't understand the philosophy and this is what will make me fail. You said I own nothing. You said that, I didn't say that about you until you wouldn't give me any examples of how Kemetic philosophy has created your wealth. You still haven't explained to me what wealth or ownership you have. You still fall back on your access to wisdom as the road to enlightenment without showing how Kemet cures mental poverty or poverty in general. I attack you because you attacked us for not being Black enough or African enough. Your initial question of how Troy can empower Blacks while celebrating Christmas was an attack and you carried that attack into saying that we aren't entrepreneurs and we don't empower Black people and what's worse you have said we don't love ourselves... how disrespectful is that? I never said you don't love yourself or that you were wrong or that you would fail, or that you don't have integrity. You did this. Every post I made, go back and look, every post, I said I would love to share your work with other people, or something to that effect. What is high level entrepreneurship? You said Oprah, Lynda.com and Apple! There are more people that will attain what I've attained than will ever, ever reach the status of Apple, or Lynda.com. Why wouldn't you tell people, "Go look at Troy Johnson founder of AALBC as a successful model of entrepreneurship that supports the Black community." Why wouldn't you say that to people you know? What's worse is that instead of saying http://financialjuneteenth.com/category/fjt-university/ as the example for schools for improving Black financial literacy you give us a White owned company! Dr. Boyce Watkins even has a school with Dame Dash that you could promote, but you choose a White company when you are supposedly uplifting Black people. Do you see how dangerous this is. That's why it's necessary for me to bring up another brother of the Kemetic Philiosophy because this is not Facebook. What is written here will be here until the internet disappears. It is indexed and searchable through web engines. If the last word on Kemetic Philiosphy is your weak justification of it, that hurts the movement. I'm not even a part of it and I know this. If you don't get this, brother, you need to dig a lot deeper into your philosophy and discover something Black and attainable as evidence of how Kemet helps us become better, financially secure people.

LOL, that's what I thought. You don't realize how bad you make Hoteps look when you can't counter with real visible information about the culture you profess to be the beginning and the end of all things. There is an amazing brother here in Memphis who utilizes the Kemetic philosophies. His name is Terrance SetepenRa Wilson https://www.facebook.com/terrance.s.wilson?fref=photo. He is one of the most informed and knowledgeable brothers I've had the pleasure of reading work by and supporting, although I have never once met this brother in person. We both are very active in our own ways in the city. I wish I could do more to help him. As it stands I've donated small amounts to him and whenever possible I share whatever he is working on. Here is one of his websites he helps to organize for the RBG Memphis chapter: www.rhinosnation.com This is a business program that empowers the African American community. This brother holds weekly meetings through Rhino's Nation and has also established a project: www.menneferproject.com This project is meant to deliver the teachings of Kemet to what is established as the Fertile Crescent(Kush) capitol of Memphis (Mennefer) in the US. He has brought every speaker imaginable to Memphis to speak on Kemetic wisdom and philosophies. On top of that the brother hosts a Feed the Homeless Sunday every month where he feeds and clothes homeless Memphians. I bring him up as an anti-YOU. You are the type of dude who fucks up movements with delivering half assed theories without support. I need to get him to come here and explain what and why Kemet is important to offset the damage you have done on this public forum to the movement. The questions I asked are questions I always ask of people. None of them were confrontational or about debate. They all were open ended questions allowing you to share your websites and information to support your position. It was all meant to reinforce what you are doing. Instead you avoided and gave nothing. It's important that although I don't share the same philosphies I give the people who may be reading this proof that Kemetic philosophy is being used to empower without leaving a bunch of White based businesses and Jewish guys as the example. You're right though I can choose to ignore them, but I don't. I support the people doing the work, no matter their religion or philosophy. If you are building up your fellow woman/man you are important and worthy of support.

Brother Kemetic sciences and principles cannot be challenged or questioned because of the almost infinite and high quality archeological evidence. If you want focus on the other areas of Africa that's fine. However you won't find the wealth of archeological evidence that you find in Kemet. Focus on kement and everything else will be clear. Sister Sara is standing up for African Kemetic culture, she is standing up for her values, the history, culture and identity of her ancestors. That's a wonderful and highly commendable thing to do.

I can only nod my head in agreement with that statement^^^^^ and you know that's hard for me to do. You're right. lol

Brother I have done my duty, I gave you the principles of prosperity & happiness, I gave you the seeds, what you do with them its not my problem. You can waste your talent and time reading western/ Eastern books, they will keep where you have been. There is a process called transformation of consciousness = The process of moving from shadows to light, ignorance to high level intelligence. I gave you the seeds for you to start that process and live a more meaningful successful life. Sorry brother I have no time and I am not interested in debates. All the best

Nelson, What you want is acknowledging that Kemetic principles are the foundation of society. Any person who took 7th grade history knows that Olduvai Gorge /Mesopotamia is the place where life began and radiated from...but to say Kemetic ideals is the beginning and the end of empowerment is cultish thinking exactly like each extreme of religion that denies the importance of other developments throughout society.I know the easy response is that since Kush was the first society that anything created afterwards is a copy, but once again this attachment to that train of thought denies accepting other ideas as valid and important enough to be studied on its own.I'm not saying you're wrong or right just that you haven't taught me anything I didn't know and that learning and respecting all creation stories is important. The diversity that exists in the different philosophies and religions makes the world a much more interesting place.Learning and studying any philosophy or religion is empowering with or without acknowledging YOUR understanding as the perceived FIRST.I'd like to see your website and YouTube. If I deem it worth checking out then I will subscribe and share it. If it is more of the same rhetoric I will move on and we can just rap and exchange ideas, but I will keep watching Empire until it sucks and I move on. This won't stop me from being an effective person in society, lol. Entertainment is a great diversion for everyone in moderation...even in the process of nation building. For me, nation building exists in the now, the present. A person can be ignorant of Set, Jesus, Mohammed, whoever but if they understand compassion for humans they are okay in my book. The original intent of this discussion opened the door for dialogue, but if the person who asked Troy, or simply looked up Troy...without bias based on THEIR philosophy, they would have seen that Troy has dedicated the last 20 years of his life to Black folks. Him acknowledging the holidays is not in antithesis to the work he's done in building this platform. I don't even know his personal politics and it doesn't matter. For Hoteps this seems to be all that matters and that is unfortunate. Unless, studying Kemetic philosophy is the gateway for you to discuss and analyze poetry, music and art of other cultures. If this was the case and we could engage in a discussion on a Claude McKay poem without reference to "Kemet" then that's cool and it makes sense. But if your goal is to establish that Kemet is the the beginning and end of everything, to me that doesn't make sense. A person who thinks there is nothing without Kemet should leave the internet and use those concepts of Kemet to create the Kemet internet and discuss all things Kush using only tools created for and by those who think similarly... I do have a few final questions because you are open to discussion, why is it that Black Americans are the only people that seem so attached to the concept of Kemetic religion? Why aren't the people who live in that region forging this same connection? I get that this area was invaded and colonized as all areas in Africa were, but what is the need to so directly connect yourself to Egypt/Kush/Kemet? Is there any attachment to the amazing history that we have created out of oppression in this country? Isn't it much easier to teach people who they were in this country first and learn the history of the African in America first since that is a more direct method of establishing pride and knowledge of self? Hasn't what we've done here in literature and art enough to establish the genius of Black Americans?

Your statement ; Hip-Hop in many ways since it is his philosophy and way of life that has contributed so much to the culture. My reply. Brother Hiphop was created to awaken black people. Europeans understand psychology and the fact that sound affects the brain. They only pay and promote hip hop that talks about Niggas, Bitches, murder, drugs and motherfuckers. Spend 5 minutes listening to young black people and pay attention to their vocabulary. Where do they learn these offensive words ? =Hip Hop Your statement =The 5% Nation of Islam Is Islam a black African culture? Black people were enslaved by two races, Europeans and Arabs. Where does Islam comes from ? Kemet. Where did the Arabs learn their mythology from? -Is the story of Set and Heru. The concept of duality, heaven and hell, demons and angels. Kemet was invaded by Arabs, If you look at Kemet today you will find Arabs living there. I gave you the principles but if you aren't humble enough to say thank you please show me and help me to apply them then I will wish you all the best. You should think twice before criticising a philosophy that you don't know or tried. I wouldn't give poison to a brother or a sister because that's not my purpose in life. I gave you the principles. You can hold on to your beliefs and try "other methods" I know that these principles work because I tried them and make a living teaching and sharing them. Amenhotep

Thanks for responding. It is not easier to say it is Kemet because it is not. I don't think there is anyway to connect Shango, Elegba, etc to Egyptian Ideology and Kemetic principles. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Ifa exists as the root for people of this region. Combining it with Egypt is somewhat disrespectful. But that's neither here or there. In regard to studying and disregarding Hip-Hop/Rap music as a waste of time, Charles 13X could be considered the founder of Hip-Hop in many ways since it is his philosophy and way of life that has contributed so much to the culture. The 5% Nation of Islam (Gods and Earths) has saved more brothers from the streets and given more brothers knowledge of self than any Kemetic principle has in my opinion. So dissing rap and saying it's a waste undercuts your own attempt at bringing people into the fold. Now in regard to your position on following those steps at the bottom, those steps could work for a kid watching Empire. As a matter of fact it might work a lot faster since the kid would have a built in base, or an adult would have a built in fanbase that doesn't isolate your context to a specific group of people. But here is what is interesting, it takes a certain amount of time to do all of these things you list from step 1 to 7 and if you replace the word Kemetic literature, with Black literature, following those steps might lead to success and income no matter the topic. So while it is good advice, it is good advice about any topic not just Kemetic literature. What you are doing is akin to what Baptist preachers do when they rape the neighborhood every week. "Give all you have at the alter of this course of study and you will gain blessings." It's the exact same approach and it creates confused and misguided people who end up lost when Kemetic principles, the church, (insert your philosophy and religion) is pushed as the only "Way" and that course of study doesn't fulfill someone's goals and dreams. I admire when someone understands and knows their philosophy. I think it's respectable. What isn't respectable is thinking that your way is the right way. There is no one method, there are only options and people have the right to study whatever they choose and to pursue whatever path they want to become enlightened. If it happens through Kemetic science, cool. If it is through Buddhishm, cool. If it's through NG&E, cool. As long as it isn't destructive and divisive it's cool. I tend to think this is a pretty good way of life: respecting all forms of knowledge and understanding. I've done pretty well with this train of thought.

But to me, Nelson, Chris' point is that you are paying homage to a culture that is not indigenous to Nigeria which is where the roots of America' s black diaspora lie. What you are proselitizing is like saying that people of French descent should revere Germany's past. Furthermore, since Kemetic symbols are on the American dollar, should white people also take pride in Kemet? You are perfectly free to extol what you believe, but you are not entitled to chastise those who don't embrace your dogma. I'm am not a Christian, so far be it from me to defend Christmas but I've always heard claims that one of the 3 wise men was black. IMO, Yule time observations are just something that satisfies people's need to feel warm and fuzzy.

Brother, You won't go very far without Kemet, Please look at the dollar bill and you will see how Kemetic sciences and consciousness affects your life. The money that you use today is controlled by people who follow and study kemetic principles. There is a reason why Jewish people and Arabs don't celebrate Christmas. They value their culture, cherish and do all they can to preserve it. These "Hoteps" who came from Sudan are the most ancient and richest culture in history. The medicine, architecture, the language, the mathematics, the computers, the literature that you you use comes from Kemet. Culture is the most powerful source of confidence and if you aren't interested in protecting and teaching your people about their culture, if you aren't prepared to stand up for your culture then you are doomed to remain a consumer and servant of people who will force you to consume their culture through their music, religion, education and public holidays.

Wow!!!!! I had no idea of that movie trailer above! I knew the industry was cutthroat, but the parallel is too damn obvious for this to be coincidence.

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