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@Chevdove No she's not my daughter! My youngest daughter sent me this story - sorry for the confusion. I wanted to share with you their perspective of the people they admire. But I'm glad I included the video of "the only" black woman trader in the last post. My daughters are usually "the only one" too - I was the only one too - and you mentioned you too were the only one... It is a difficult path but at the same time you find out who you are by what you choose to tradeoff. I used to tell my News coworkers " I don't have a phD in negrology (and I got that from quote from the film director Melvin Van Peebles) but being the only black female news anchor /reporter allowed me to give voice to a perspective that only I could share with the millions of viewers. When you are the only one YOU MUST remember your goals that brought you there in the first place. Journalist extraordinaire Malcolm Gladwell just did a podcast (Revisionist History) on "the only one" Sammy Davis Jr...and the part of his humanity he had to give up to be the only one. I tell you I was crying like a baby at the end of the podcast. Could be. My daughters date but their focus is on career and social life. AND they travel a lot. My middle daughter has a dual degree in psychology and statistics so she is preparing to go to grad school. The oldest is advancing in her legal career and it takes up a lot of her time. The youngest is focused on building a business (she hasn't said what yet ) lol and she has a steady beau. I don't think they get that from me - though. I tend to be in love with love and in the absence of a "GOAL MATE" , I'm immersed in my profession." WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??? (Ok I'm just being nosey) but it reads like The Loving V. Virginia Supreme Court Case 😲 @Chevdove nah, I don't think I do. You got this. I'm a journalist... I read a lot and my copyeditors/factcheckers keep me honest about providing source documents for what I think I know and write. lol

(((HUGS))) @Chevdove WOW, if this was a memoir it would be riveting because what you shared here rocked me! Your mother was sad she didn't give birth to sons? Oh snap, As you mentioned this took a terrible toll on you and your siblings. And if I understand correctly, she had your children taken away? See, this is what I mean about broken people. If your mom is broken - then how does a broken woman raise children and not break them too? In ways that she may not realize? I had to realize that about myself - there are certain behaviors that I developed in response to my upbringing. - My parents were loving parents to me - but they were broken too and that can't help but spill over into the home. I agree - if you let western society have their way, black women aren't even supposed to get pregnant ... We are made to feel ashamed for taking time to have babies in wedlock - and if we choose to be single parents -then...well that's unacceptable. I wrote a blog post about Bridget Jones ' Baby - because a black woman could have never starred in that movie, without all of society especially black america having the movie pulled before it aired LOL.... I remember when I was carrying my twins - and I had to go on bed rest; My woman Indian doctor, at the time, was reluctant to say mine disability papers lol... Even after the emergency room doctor ordered it. I found a black woman ob-gyn with quickness to care for me and deliver my girls. So yes, I absolutely understand. You have a very powerful story - I hope you've shared it already - and if you haven't I hope you find your voice.

No wonder humans made up the story about Adam and Eve. All of this stuff is so involved and speculative, it boggles the mind. And it's almost like the more we find out, the less we know, because discovery is ongoing. ( This is my excuse for being too lazy to delve into research.) My Daddy told me i had an Africa great, great grandmother, born in slavery in North Carolina, and his mother was a full blooded Osage Indian born in Kansas My mother's father was half-white and blue-eyed, born of a slave owner and a slave in Tennessee. The only thing unique about this is that i have a Hispanic first name. (Consuelo) OK. Let the discussion resume.

@Mel Hopkins Wow! this thread is interesting. The photos you posted are very interesting. You know, I have worked in a genetics lab and my major is in Biology with emphasis in Secondary education. And after I've studed about the mtDNA and the Y Haplo group, it seems to me the scientist are not revealing everything. Actually, I think it is the other way around, but I need to look at my notes regarding the mtDNA. That is the one that does 'mutate'. But the term for the Y-Dna haplogroup is that it is more stable and it does not RECOMBINE like the mtDNA and this is why scientiest know the origins of mankind, which they say is much more recent than the Mitochondrial Eve. Alll Y-DNA has a basal MARK that shows their origin is in Africa and it is called 'basal a'. All males have this 'basal a' mark and it does not recombine.

HAPPY...Conjuring up African Good Vibes... ...Maybe... or Spirits Unknown... @Mel Hopkins WHEW! Mel Hopkins, I just googled and checked out your book! Yites! Scary! I'm a PG kind of movie goer, but then, I love those kinds of stories! Gracious PEace!. You've probably heard this youtube, I'm always late on things, but this is one of my all time favorite renditions of Pharrell Williams HAPPY PROJECT: THE DANCE GROUP from Africa, Cote D'Ivoire. Man! They made me feel like they conjured up spirits!!! It's hypnotic! Your book seems like the Agatha Christie kind of mystery but African style. I love Angela Lansbury shows. lol. especially the ones that she did on THE BIG EASY and the VOODOO mystery. My relatives are from that kind of stuff! LOL! This reminds me of a time my cousins put a voodoo doll in my Aunt's mailbox, ... she had a fit... they got a whoopin tht day because in South carolina, that stuff is for real! Chicken feet in a pot and all... HAPPY by Pharrell Williams Cote D'voire Dance Troop https://youtu.be/9jzDVaQFLxs

It may make more sense, in most cases, for people to hide their identity when online. People are held accountable for what they put in the web -- ofen without their knowledge. This is a problem that people are not taking seriously at all. @Pioneer1, you may be using an avatar but if you've visited any of the large social media site your identity is known. To truly hide one's identity takes a great deal of effort and as Cynique points out we reveal clues about who were are by the nature of what we say. I'm not convinced that people (non-trolls) who use avatars and fake names less honest than people who do. @Cynique (she is a novelist) did not initially reveal her identity, but after she did the nature of her posts did not change. From a personal perspective I would never have guessed her age, because Cynique is not what one envisions as the stereotypical little old lady. It revealed a bias I had and I'm learned you can't prejudge people. I don't anyone is the proverbial little old lady if you listen to them. @Thumper, fought to hide his identity -- never allowing me to take his photo (thought one is on the site now). Indeed people simply assumed I was Thumper. Because Thumper was so honest with his book reviews people either loved him or hated him. I know, because I bore the brunt of these emotions by people who thought I was Thumper or because I provided a platform for him. There was another poster on this site who used to post under different names. I knew this to be the case because that person(who I will not name), posted from the same IP address and the writing style was similar, so this was obvious -- but not always. One of the aliases was of a known journalist, who emailed me to say that someone was posting under her identity on the website. I deleted bogus account but allowed the original poster to continue to post, because others found their posts so interesting. Zane ran her own website discussing erotica for years and was a published author before anyone knew who she was. She posed on these forums back in the day. She introduced herself to me at a book convention and, as with Cynique, she was nothing like the women I'd imagined in my head. In many ways our imaginations are better than reality. Once you become a celebrity it is impossible to maintain your anonymity -- because people work so hard to figure out who you are. Bottom line, I don't really care if someone chooses to post under an alias. It has the benefit of; (1) preventing people from judging you based upon your age, gender, race, education, location, etc. This focuses them solely on what you write; and (2) it protects you from losing your job over some nonsense you may have posted.

WOW now that is amazing! I am so far from where you are in life! You have no idea! Your daughter is absolutely incredibly beautiful. So I assume you have the twins and an older daughter; that's amazing. I don't know how you did it. I'm still on a long, long road stretched out ahead of me! My sons are older, yes, but it is crazy difficult... I don't know why!? They are frustrated sometimes... they complain sometimes and say, "Mom, I'm the ONY ONE, THE ONLY BLACK MALE..." I don't know what to say, how to help them. YOu say, your daughters are presently single, are you single now? IF so, do you think they shy away from heterosexual relationships because of how they view your relationships? For me, I've been married for years and it's been a saga, not becsuse of my relationship to husband, but because it seems most people are in a rage over the reality of us being married. We are loathed, but not by my father's people. We get wonderful support from them but they are far away. My father-in-law adored us, And, I guarantee you that you probably know more than me about mtDNA!--LOL even though it was a big chunk of my major. However, my approach on this subject is based on another angle than your book. However, I welcome your criticism and help for what I would like to share!--since you've already written your book. How exciting! Believe it or not, I am researching with hopes of publish a book one day too, but I'm no where close to that point! I would love to get your book!

@ChevdoveI was 17 years old when my father died. I don't know what it is but black women back then modeled those in British monarchy - Those women seem to believe emotional outburst in public is unbecoming. Do you remember how Jacqueline Kennedy, Coretta Scott King, and I think even Ethel Kennedy carried themselves at their husbands' funeral? When I look back on those archives , it appears as some unwritten rule of conduct. I wrote about it in my debut novel "sleeping with a d-man", I wrote it for my oldest daughter before she left for college. In fact, my occult novel explores the role of women of African descent from times immemorial to the present. That's why I have all that research on mtDNA. (full disclosure - I needed to research it for my book) I wanted my daughters to understand how society relates to black women... which is counter-intuitive to our role as mother of all civilization. I was a "star" to my father so he balanced my mother. When he was gone my heart broke. He was the symbol of the "savior" I spoke about earlier in this thread. Black men and men in general play a huge part in parenting and cohabitation. The father supports the mother while the mother nurtures the children. The father is the physical strength in the family - and it's displayed in imagery as when you see the father help the son or daughter put a star on the christmas tree. It is such a beautiful symbiotic relationship. When the father is absent (emotionally, physically, financially et al) the mother has no emotional support. It is quite rare to see a mother display the balance necessary to raise an emotional healthy child. For example, An imbalance of Hypermasculinity and Hyperfeminity come to mind - such as when a woman allows her children to be sexually assaulted while she pretends not to see. But I digress. I was lucky because I had a huge support system for my oldest daughter (I didn't marry her father) and I was married before the twins came along ) Still I had a huge support system with my girls. Today, my oldest daughter has a Juris doctorate now and she's not married. In fact none of my girls are married . They seem to have wonderful social lives balanced with their professions. In fact, my youngest just sent me an instagram of the only female trader on the New York Stock Exchange she's a young black woman, shown here -https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/06/13/lauren-simmons-is-the-only-full-time-female-trader-at-the-nyse.html I adore my daughters and I think they like me too (smile) They are loving and caring - So that could be due to their upbringing. my ex- husband believes I should write a book on how I raised, in his words "Three Aces" but the book is already written because I knew it would take a village to raise healthy adults; so I created one

That is hard. May I ask how old were you when this happened? You are right though, I agree. At some point, there needs to be some kind of accountabilty, that was your father. No wonder many Black women don't know how to feel...about our fathers, Black men. Sometimes, adult mothers are so caught into the hardship they deal with, they lose sight of their role, still, as nurturers and they keep the cycle going. For you, you had daughters, so you were put right back in under the role. But for me, I did not have daughters, but, I always think about how to react to young girls especially the ones that my sons interact with. It scares me to think that I would be as cold to younger Black women or girls in general, in the way I felt my mother treated me. @Pioneer1 @Kalexander2 Okay . LOL! Can I ask for a Time out here!!! I just want to make a comment to men, and since you both are commenting in this thread, it seems good to direct it to you both: I feel that as @Mel Hopkins stated, that black mothers should take the blame for bad behavior. And, if Black men care so much about the Black woman being victimized, what about the victims striking at children--the victims? What role should Black men take in this REALITY? Shouls you just stand by and say nothing, do nothing, just feel sorry for the whole group without making any intervention? I feel strongly about this issue here. Shouldn't Black men, fathers do something in this situation? Don't you realize that some Black women are dangerously abusive to the Black child? They strike at the child, and take out their being victimize on the Black child? I feel that Black men should do something too, help out the Black children too, when this kind of abuse is going on. This kind of abuse is incredibly prevalent, I feel, in the Black culture.

@Mel Hopkins Yes, I read about the American Slave Albert Perry and the new information on the AO HAPLOGROUP, Y-DNA. I have to tell you though, for the past year, I have went over the Y-DNA HAPLOGROUPS and I can see the manipulation here in regards to the science community, and I will explain in a little while. I have not been able to make a conclusion though, I just see some contradictions in what has been reported about the Y-DNA. I will get some quotes though. really. Tlhat's new for me. I would love for you to shed some more information on this!

@Chevdove also when I was searching for my source documents - I saw the 2013 article of the man with Y-DNA that branched off from the modern humans - THE PLOT THICKENS! I started reading about mitochondrial eve and human migration back in 2005 - I follow up every so often because I find it fascinating. BUT I missed the development of the Albert Perry's Y-DNA dating back 340000 years! I look forward reading more research on this new development. Thank you for the update!

Yes, I absolutely agree with what you have said. I say, pray without works are dead, dead, dead. And as far as 'end times' I have gotten out of my past mentality and the understanding and conditioning of what I once believed about it anyway. I do hope though, while I work for a better existence from the issues going on today in this world when it comes to racism. @Mel Hopkins I really need that hug! Thank you. You know I still sometimes that I never left that conflict. And you said a lot when you speak about broken parents raising children. That is what brings me so much inner turmoil. I think about the Black women of these past generations, and I am so glad that I was not in their shoes!--But at the same time, what kind of escape do children have when they are in a situation, an environment like that? I find it fascinating though, that you had twins and furious at the conflict you faced...cause I know how that feels when a female, doctor[!] reacts negative ... to a Black mother-to-be! Thank you and I hope we collectively find our voice... because I don't believe this system will improve if we, as Black women don't have the proper voice.

@Kalexander2 I blame it on black mothers - who would tell us, " Cry and I'll give you something to cry for". I wasn't even allowed to cry at my father's funeral. My mother said, "Don't represent your father that way" 🤣

@Pioneer1at any given time, your "definition" of a troll applies to everyone on this site including me, as well as you when you trade antagonizing insults with Kalexander. "Troll" is not a relative designation on this board because posters here disagree as much as they agree with each other and things can get intense. So be it.

Chevdove I love your story of your ancestors. I wish I knew my ancestral lineage as well. Perhaps one day I will. Back in Africa, most nations had "griots" who were able to recall their ancestral lineage back for dozens if not HUNDREDS of generations. Now you end up going to "ancestry.com" and hope they get it right....lol I think it is indeed possible for you to be be both White (or African, or Asian) AND a Jew at the same time because "Jewish" is both a religion and an ethnicity. A person could be a Jew because they come from a mother who was Jewish and practiced a the Jewish culture while at the same time not practicing Judaism as a religion and even be atheist. But now when we start talking about ISRAELITES and HEBREWS....that's a different story. These are actual biological lineages that depend more on ancestry than culture.

Krazy Alexander 2 uttered: "I associate with white folk only when necessary and infrequent as possible in person." Oh come on now Krazy Klarence....I mean Krazy Alexander.... Do you REALLY expect us to believe that???? How can you call your contact with Whites "infrequent" when they feed you and give you your medication several times a day? BTW, I thought you said there was NO SUCH THING as race.....so who are these mysterious "White folk" that you speak of....lol. Chevdove & Tsegal It's great to know and understand scripture but I think it's dangerous for Black people to put too much faith in "end times" and the "end of the world". ...especially when we expect it to be THE answer to all of our problems. It pacifies too many of us and prevents us from actually DOING THE WORK that need to do to make this planet a better place for ourselves. That's one of the main problem I have with most of these organized religions an their protocols. They keep you waiting and waiting and waiting on something OUTSIDE of yourself to change your environment. Our people have a "laziness" problem where all they need is an excuse to sit down and DO NOTHING. Waiting on "the lord" to take care of it all provides a convenient excuse for that. Most of them were waiting on Jesus to come back during slavery to put an end to it but generation after generation was born, enslaved, tortured and died until a CIVIL WAR where hundreds of thousands of people were killed and maimed finally brought "official slavery" to an end. We must always put our faith in the SUPREME BEING. However we don't know the Plans of The SUPREME BEING, so it's often best not to guess at them and begin to roll up our sleeves and get busy doing what the Chinese, Indians, and other groups are doing which is WORKING. China and North Korea and India ain't waiting on Jesus to come back or pointing their finger at Europe telling them that "karma" or the devil is going to pay them back for what they did. They are building factories and sky scrapers and mapping out the future for their children and future generations so that they will no longer be in a vulnerable position to be mistreated.

Krazy Alexander 　 I see. So, do you think it is possible a 'trace' through the Southeast Asia desert could unearth patterns and language of Black folk? The original Chinese were BLACK. All through out South East Asia and into the Phillipines and even up in Japan and Korea if you go into the rural forest areas small Black people called by different names STILL exist in large numbers. Just like these small Black people were the original inhabitants of Europe, they were the original inhabitants of THAT land as well. Yes, I'm starting to get, really, good at it. I almost know all the right buttons to push. All the right "buttons to push" huh??? As I said before, the definition of a troll is one who likes antagonizing people and causing trouble.....lol. Basically what you're saying.....Krazy.... is that you're getting good at TROLLING people. The higher the monkey climbs...the more he shows his tail, lol. Mel I also agree with Cynique - WHEN did we become two or maybe more distinct groups of blacks? Also, how and why did we change physically. Well I know there's atleast THREE distinct groups of what we would call "Black" people on this planet. One group is the African type who TYPICALLY (but not always) have dark skin, kinky hair, thick lips, and broad noses. Obviously you have the San people of southern Africa with their light brown skin and the Amharic and Somali peoples of eastern Africa with their wavy and straight hair and thin lips/noses.....but the vast majority of NATIVE Africans are the Blacks I described above. But then you also have the Blacks of Asia. Herodotus when writing his Histories called them the "Ethiopians of Asia" and claimed that they were so Black that even their semen was black....lol. But these were the Dravidians of Southern India. Most of whom are dark skinned, with straight hair and mostly thin lips/noses. Then you have the Polynesians and Aboriginees of Australia who are an entirely different group all together in my opinion and they were the ones populating much of Southeast Asia and the Japanese island as well as Australia, Indonesia, ect.. I don't have solid proof of it but I believe that either: 1. The African and Polynesian/Australian Blacks CAME FROM the Indian Blacks or 2. All Black races shared a common ancestral lineage that resided in the Middle East before they branched off into different directions. Perhaps there different features are owed to different "families" who may have migrated in different directions and keep reproducing within the same genetic stock. 　 The antiquity of the Tuareg Women indicates they were a matrilineal tribe ( it may indicate some were the original Hebrews.) The men followed the women. Anthropologist report women and men lived separately - even after marriage. Surprisingly,  Today, some reports indicate their lifestyle hasn't changed. Also the Berbers were nomads then and today so if some converted to Islam it would make sense how it would spread. Oh you're breaking it DOWN today huh....lol. Not only the Taureg but Ive also heard the Ibo (or Igbo) people of Nigeria were related to the original Hebrews who came out of Egypt/Kemet as well. We KNOW the Dogon of Mali are ancient Egyptians and received much of their science while still there. But speaking of the Taureg and matriarchies....... The myth of the Amazon women actually came from a NORTH AFRICAN people called the "Amazigh" people who still exist today. The Greeks called them "berbers" which meant barbarian but they call themselves "Amazigh" and practice a very matriarchal type culture where the women were warriors. Herodotus I believe again speaks of the women of the Amazigh cutting off one of their breasts at young ages so that they could be better fighters with the bow and arrow.

@Mel Hopkins I forgot to address you question about career. I did not go after my career with the mindset that I would be a homemaker and that is the most shocking part of it all! I never even considered that would even be an issue until I was faced with the issue of trying to find a good babysitter. I didn't want my kids to suffer like some of the stories I have heard and what I went through. Both of my sisters were sexually abused and I've heard so many terrible stories like this, and I suffered as 'a latch key kid'. I never saw my mother as she was a career woman and yes, the women in my family demanded that I do the same. But I came to a point where I refused. But when it comes to BLACK WOMEN, I believe it is a terrible saga due to societal persecution. We are damned if we leave are kids and work and then, we are damned if we don't. We are viewed as selfish if we seek a career and then we are framed as lazy soap opera watching stay at home Moms if we don't, but other women don't get this treatment, in my opinion.

Greetings! You have a lot of insight! I love what you wrote. And I appreciate so much, your input! You know, I am still deeply hurt what has happened to me but, because of the positive experience I have had from so many other women during that particular saga in my early marriage, I still do view my victory based upon the other Black women that came forward on my behalf. I did write that but I think, it was missed. I was too beaten down and trained and conditioned to not defend myself against my mother, and today, I still believe in that. Deep inside, I believe that it is dangerous to confront your elders in a outright hostile manner, so therefore, when I gave up, it seemed out of no where, I got calls from the Church mother, and long story short... I was told that a coalition of church mothers had gotten together, and called the Judges mother! LOL. One of the Church mothers actually knew the judge's mother and was named after her. And they told her my story. ... So, the judges mother called her son and told her to "give that woman her sons back"! They told me to hold on, don't give up, you are going to get your kids back... and I did. I couldn't believe it! I resigned earlier. I quit my career job, because I had a nervous breakdown. My kids meant everything to me. My father told me that my mother was mentally off and angry because she didn't give birth to a son. My mother was a social worker and she made friends with the judge, a Black woman, and my kids were seized, with no warning, no trial... 3 years later, I got media attention from WB22, a news station owned by Jews, and they did aggressive media and uncovered the conspiracy... Even though my mother had no contact with me, my husband, or my kids for over a year, she alledged that my husband, sexually abused his sons, my own sons... they were five and seven when they were seized, so they very upset, years later when they heard the details...

@Chevdove. I read this earlier and had an epiphany, a coming to jesus meeting and experienced nirvana - all in that order. Thank you. Please keep in mind, I'm not saying your feelings and experience aren't valid, but what I'm about to write is based on my journey. And because of what you expressed, I can see now what I missed. From my perspective, the only difference I see between men and women are their goals. Successful opposite sex relationships arise from the two being goal mates. For example, If the mates' goal is to ensure the success of their offspring, then they will do everything together that is necessary to make that happen. You've written that black women were your oppressor but could they have also been your savior? What were their goals for you? You mentioned in a follow up " Did they hope that you would do more than be a mother and caregiver for the next generation? Did you go through your academic and professional experiences with the goal to be a mother and caregiver? (Hypothetical question, because although I have a fabulous professional life but I went through hell and high-water to raise my girls. They came first because raising powerful women was my goal. My ex-husband had the same goal - we just had different goals for marriage . (20-20 hindsight speaking, here). My ex-husband is german-french ancestry because right up until I met him; men of african ancestry had been "my oppressor." - I realized from reading your response - that was a lie I told myself. They weren't my oppressor -they just weren't my savior. If we're looking for a savior - chances are we're going to find a lot more folks looking to be saved. And they will most likely break our hearts. But I digress. I was heart "broken" by the time I met my first love, a black man. Up until him; I was a "player" in a game that was set up against women - but I didn't care because my heart wasn't in it. It wasn't my goal to be someone's property. It was my goal to... I actually had no goals. Coming to someone broken is a heavy load for the other to carry - especially when they may be broken too. We are so much like sheep - we hide our wounds in an effort to not be vulnerable - but we expect someone to care for our wounds that they can't see. I remained "broken" but expert at hiding my wounds. So anyone that wasn't like the one who didn't "save" me - was the hero. All this to say, we are all broken... no one is an oppressor ... We're just a bunch of broken vigilantes instigating and carrying out a bunch of mini-battles since the dawn of time- we are the anti-christ, the beast. This, I believe, is why the idea of a supernatural savior and the idea of a supernatural energy called LOVE is so appealing. We can access it but first we have to stop lying to ourselves about who the real enemy is. $0.02

WHAT!!! Sometimes it’s better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you’re stupid than open it and remove all doubt.

@Pioneer1 Remember, I'm not wedded to this description of the moors. For once I can't even debate lol. I'm still piecing together what I've seen in Europe, South America and even Asia as it relates to the "moors" and what I've read and am reading. You may have hit on something. It may be the wording. Consider this article , I stumbled upon... Essays by Ekowa <- Link http://www.essaysbyekowa.com/Black Briton.htm Here's an excerpt. Wherever there is man or civilization there is the Black man. Wherever we have planted our seed civilization took root. Europe was not exception African had populated the isle long before Europe / Europa took its name: Europa (Greek Ευρώπη) was a Phoenician [black] woman in Greek mythology, from whom the name of the continent Europe has ultimately been taken. The etymology of her name (ευρυ- "wide" or "broad" + οπ� "eye(s)" or "face")[2] suggests that Europa represented a lunar cow, at least at some symbolic level. Who was the Lunar Cow? According to Gerald Massey in his book ' A Book of Beginnings' to the Egyptian origins of the British Isles': He has evidence that Stonehenge, the most famous ancient monument in England, was built by a Negro architect, named Morien. [That is the name MOR or Moor came from the ancient Egyptian]. The word 'Moor' is derived from Latin 'Maures' meaning black. Here are a few derivations on that name: From the same root we derive: Maur, Maurus, Marra, Moro, Morisco, Mohr, Moritz, Moor, Moru, Maru, Morelo, Maureta, Mauretania, Morocco, Maurice, Morien, Morin, Moryan, Moreto, and so on.� The Oxford dictionary definition: "The Moors were," according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "commonly supposed to be mostly black or very swarthy, and hence the word is often used for Negro." Black Irish and the tide of Ignorance Well, that's white folks at it again . When you find a black man you ha to label him inferior instead of looking at the whole context and understanding he is the basis for you civilization and culture..... " *** I haven't had time to source the information - but it might be fascinating to find "Moors" was a description of people who later just wore the name like a badge of nobility.

I can dig it. Happy Camping!