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What i have found is that with just two planets and the ascendant. I can determine date, time, and place within 150 miles of the inception of a chart. So every chart is unique. The other thing i realised is that every period has an Astrological foot print. Since certain aspects can't occur. Which may mean that times create cerain types of people. I will use Aries and Scorpio born between 1962 and 1964. This is the period where Saturn was mostly in Aquarius. So for some of Aries it was possible to have their Sun sign be sextile Saturn. While some Scorpios have their Sun sign square Saturn. So within a generation there are certain patterns and certain configurations that can't occur. In addition i have also tested it and with just the sun and the ascendant you can determine date time and place of chart. However you need the degrees down to the minute. Their are tolerances for example some astrological programs leave out the minutes for the city. In addition what part of the city does a program use. I had this discussion on gacebook. And many astrologers told me it couldn't be done without the MC. And that i was wrong amd it wasn't possible. Even after demonstrating it. Even though I made an error most didn't believe me but three people did. They actually tried it and had the Astrological knowledge to see it was possible. However one person did prove me wrong. He gave me two charts that were for different cities but had the same ascendant. However this was only true for a ten second window. I also found thay with just the Sun and the ascendant i could also determine the inception time to the minute and place within 150 miles. But it took me like 15 hours of trial and error. Like you said after 20 years you will learn quite a bit if you apply yourself.

Thanks i am geneeally looking for a good book. And there ate authors and books I feel I should read. Octavia Butler was a fun so Thanks again. @Troy

Insights News is owned by Al McFarlane - https://www.thehistorymakers.org/biography/al-mcfarlane Media executive Al McFarlane was born on September 15, 1947 in Kansas City, Kansas. He attended Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia from 1965 to 1966, and the University of Minnesota School of Journalism from 1969 to 1971and graduated from there with his B.A. degree in mass communications. McFarlane worked as a reporter for the Saint Paul Pioneer Press before moving to General Mills where he worked as the community relations coordinator from 1971 to 1972. He then was hired by the Midwest Public Relations division of Graphic Services as vice president, a position he held from 1973 to 1976. In 1974, McFarlane became editor-in-chief at Insight News, a community newspaper serving African and African American residents of Minnesota. He also established McFarlane Media Interests, Inc., a multimedia marketing and information services firm with newspaper, internet and broadcast properties. McFarlane purchased the rights to Insight News in 1975. In 1992, McFarlane served as chairman at Minnesota Multicultural Media Consortium, a marketing and advertising sales advisory for Minnesota African & African American, Hispanic, Asian and Native American newspapers. He also was named president of the Black Publishers Coalition, which managed regional and national advertising contracts for Black newspapers and the member group of print media investor-owners in Chicago, Toledo, Detroit, Milwaukee and Minnesota. In 1996, he organized ethnic newspaper owners in the formation of the Minnesota Minority Media Coalition. In 1997, Insight News initiated a series of public policy forums, “Conversations with Al McFarlane.” McFarlane served as host of the series that aired in partnership with the community radio stations KFAI and KMOJ, in Minneapolis. In 2002, McFarlane worked as president and CEO at Midwest Black Publishers Coalition, Inc. In 2010, McFarlane won a Federal American Recovery and Restoration Act grant that provided the University of Minnesota a $3.7 million grant to create public computing centers in targeted ethnic and urban communities to increase broadband access and awareness. McFarlane also launched Garth McFarlane & Mudd, LLC, a national media buying and promotion firm in 2011. McFarlane was also elected chair of the National Newspaper Publishers Association Foundation Board of Directors from 2015 to 2017. Al and his wife Bobbie P. Ford McFarlane have five adult children. Al McFarlane was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on June 20, 2018. Do you mean through prnewswire or business newswire? I haven't checked through the my news releases in the past few days (kind of busy) but sure - every news outlet has access to news releases - but it's up to the journalist to follow up on it or include their own information. Are you implying there were some inaccuracies in the Insights News https://issuu.com/insightnews/docs/june_3__2019_-_june_9__2019_insight article? I'm sure if you contacted them - they would correct it. Mr. McFarlane seems to have been a journalist before you or i could write our name LOL (just kidding)

Troy It depended upon how you define "financially secure?" I'm sure you'd agree it is a FAR cry from the ministers who have private jets, a fleet of cars, and huge mansions. Maybe THAT'S what they needed for THEM to feel secure and that they've attained THEIR goal or blessing. Perhaps the minister with the mansion may have grew up in a shack and swore that if he ever we blessed to "make it" he would buy the biggest mansion he could afford. Perhaps another was a little boy who couldn't even afford a bike to ride but would look up at planes flying over his head and promised himself he'd own one of THEM one day. Just because YOU don't want these things why condemn them for wanting to live out their dream? Isn't it a BLESSING to live out your dreams? Yes, I've seen a broke brother who was happy and at peace. I'm one. That does not mean that I don't have challenges, like everyone else, but I know money can't bring happiness. MAN SHUT UP YOU KNOW YOU AIN'T BROKE....lol. My argument is against though that exploit their congregations for monetary gain To "exploit" means to ab-use or use incorrectly. To take advantage of. If they are voluntarily giving those preachers their money and getting emotional satisfaction as well as what they BELIEVE to be spiritual satisfaction., hope, and happiness from that church.....is it really exploitation? These people are getting HOPE and HAPPINESS (a few of your precious values you spoke of) from that man and his church! So perhaps it's fair exchange Kind of like how a patient pays their counselor for comforting conversation and good advice. often imporveshing these hapless victims -- who were just seeking peace and spiritual enlightenment. I'll be honest with you...... I honestly don't know anyone who BECAME poor from dealing with a lying pimping preacher. Most of those who ARE poor and giving money to these types were ALREADY poor and poorly educated to begin with so they didn't have a hell of a long way to fall. But again, what you may be missing is the fact that many of these people are receiving EMOTIONAL satisfaction and hope....not to mention a place to socialize and meet friends and potential marriage partners....one of the main reasons many people go to church for in the first place. Perhaps you are focusing too much and putting too much responsibility on the preachers and what THEY should be doing and not enough on these people and what they're GETTING already in return. The vast majority of these followers are adults who are NOT retarded can clearly make their own decisions as to how to spend their money. You (and Harry....lol) act as if these preachers are breaking into elementary schools and brainwashing children into signing contracts and stealing their lunch money. These are adults who are doing what they do for their own personal reasons whether we agree with them or not. I can't BELIEVE I'm sitting up here trying to defend these jack-legs....lol. But it's a fun excercise! I may take the opposite side of another argument I don't necessarily agree with just for the fun of it.