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@Cynique, I was hopeful, but I'm not surprised. *** Best part of this conversation, is it shows we blame white people for what is apparently human pathological tendencies we all share. If anything, we should all be upset that straight white males exploit that behavior in us and use if to their advantage. They remain at the top, the apex predator - and we help them stay there. Case-in-point, Troy says that "feminism" should take a backseat to "racism"- it's unimportant to him; Cynique reminded us for the infighting between black and white suffragettes yesterday, and it continues in feminism today; civil rights leaders want gay rights to take a backseat - even though we know gay rights ARE at the heart of civil rights and on and on. "People moving out people moving in why just because of the color of the skin, run run run but you sho' can't hide" Songwriters Barret Strong Norman Whitfiled Norrman J Whitfield" The truth is it's all oppression pure and simple and it must be eradicated simultaneously. But that won't happen because the majority want to secure their place on the totem pole. Don't hate the player, hate the game. I've said it before. I don't play games. I hate games. And while the idea of living in a world where people are truly free and equal, scares me- that's the world I want to experience. There's no hierarchy in oppression. The "Oppression" game has run its course. It must be discontinued and eradicated.

@Troy "depicted" means these women didn't have a choice in how they appeared. Since they did have a choice, however, it wouldn't matter to me in the least. Well actually it does - the fact that a woman is covered up from head to toe as if her body is something to hide - pisses me off. But I respect a woman's right to choose. How these women choose to appear is their choice. Emphasis on CHOICE. Labeling Beyonce or any woman who has a built a strong viable business, a product, as opposed to a business woman or a producer strips that woman of her agency, it puts her in the category of a whore (and unless she's chosen to be a prostitute) that label is sexist and offensive to me as a woman. Please point out to me where you've labeled a man a product? How about Ava Muhammed? Is she a product too? " She's a woman lifting another man" So I guess she's worthy exaltation? ok. Now of course, you can call any woman anything you want - but from "my front porch" woo - chile. But I digress. In 2007, a single black women's net median wealth was $5/ $100 or Negative/ 0 (w/children) in 2013, It was $500 for single black women w/ no children and no degree and for single black women w/college degree it was $5000 If the black church was instrumental in any of this socioeconomic activity uptick for black women or even in the decrease of teenage pregnancy -the numbers would have shown long before 2007 - I've shown my work and backed it with evidence. President Obama's policies & cabinet were the best thing to happen to black women Full Stop -

Just goes to show that no matter how much a black person like LeBron James succeeds, they are still "niggers" to a substantial number of whites. Something loud-mouthed basketball player Charles Barkley needs to realize when he's always taking the side of white policemen and dispensing his conservative Republican drivel. And it also should be noted that the rich and famous but current has-been, Tiger Woods, who tried to divest himself of race, was listed as "black" on his rap sheet after being found passed out in his car from a drug overdose. Everybody is up in arms about Comedienne Kathy Griffin appearing on social media in a picture of her holding a bloody decapitated head of Donald Trump. White liberals are horrified by this as if it's any worse than how hate groups pictured Obama and Michelle all over the Internet. Just recently a noose was found hanging in the new African American Museum in Washington. Donald Trump has made racism acceptable and although he gets criticized for this, he has also solidified his support base with people who want to remind niggers that they are - niggers.

Does the short list of women mentioned by Troy, Pioneer and Del represent examples of the question Mel asked, as to whether any black man has championed the rights of black women and actually helped us inch up higher at last place?" The answer is no. And just like you men don't want to condemn all preachers or leaders because of a few bad ones, why are black women obligated to dismiss Beyonce and Viola who command the loyalty and admiration of many black sistas because they have made it on their own. Nevermind that Beyonce is superficial or Viola ambitious; they have not disgraced or demeaned black womanhood. They are beautiful successful independent sistas. Also it's been reported that they both quietly give back to the black community via financial assistance.

Thanks Del. Yes, I met Noelle at a book signing a few months ago. She has garnered a great deal of attention and is a media darling right now. I'm glad she is getting support and I hope her bookstore/wine bar is successful.

@Pioneer1 Your defense of Farrakhan rings hollow; provides no facts, figures or specifics just some generalities falling in line with a carefully crafted image about a power hungry man who was part of the regime who had Malcolm X assassinated and whose mentor Elijah Muhammad was a lecher who exploited young girls. There are thousands of unsung teachers and preachers and organization who have inspired young black to turn their lives around. There's a black, all boys high school in Chicago where each June, 100 percent of the graduating class has been accepted by a college. And the nation of Islam is in no way affiliated with this inner city school. No, it not uncommon for a leader to lead a life of luxurious leisure off the backs of his faithful followers. You should be a minister yourself, you're always preaching. LOL @Delano Come on guy, is that the best you can do? I'm disappointed. Where was Huey when Black Panther Eldridege was beating the shit out of his wife, Kathleen? The Panthers were notoriously misogynistic. And what's empowering about women feeding children? they do this every day. Or what noteworthy accomplishment did Afeni achieve while babysitting what was left of the Panther party? @Mel Hopkins This request from you: "If you know of any other black man - wait, I'll make it easy ANY MAN who has championed the rights of black women and actually helped us inch up higher at last place - please share. I really want to know because I might have missed his work.," remains unfulfilled, girlfriend.