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Whether i am or am not a citizen is of little importance to me. i am a resident of amerika and an observer of what it has become and how its present state has come about. I am a truth seeker and the truth is what i pay homage to. And the truth of this is that my truth may not be someone else's truth. But that's life.

@Troy and @Pioneer1 Rhetoric doesn't equal evidence. Your arguments are weak. I have deeply reflected on my behavior in this thread. Sadly, it is one that I've repeated throughout my life, which is hold up black men in high esteem believing: 1 - they would know or at least try to understand the history of black women here in the United States; and/or (it's pitiful Troy, with all your knowledge that you even thought Lincoln had anything to do with helping black women. Many black women already held the status of "free negro" in the US. Any child born to a free negro (women) was free... If you referring to women in the south...black enslaved women were freed but without status in America... I could go on - but I've wasted enough time trying to educate you both on the status of black women...especially when you couldn't care less. Which brings me to my second point. Neither of you 2 - care enough to find the facts about how black women are regulated to the bottom rung here in the U.S. by every culture and ethnicity (Now I see that includes black men.) For 8 years we had a black feminist (his words) in the white house - and President Obama's policies, mandates, initiatives helped black women inch up from the bottom.. now due to selfishness of black men - There's another man in the oval office who is so jealous of President Obama that he's made it his priority to undo all the good that President Obama did for us, black women. 45's latest thing is to repeal the birth control mandate that will affect 55 million women, will lose free coverage and it will hit black women the hardest. Which brings me to my third point 3 - they (BM) would protect us and our interests... What is reality is, black women are alone again. Black women fight and protect the lives of black men. While I won't - I do think black women do because we alone give birth to black men - but for black women to look for assistance from any black man who is not a "rare air brother" such as Obama, is naive. So yes, I have deeply reflected on my behavior here in this thread - and sadly, my biggest fear was realized. Black men, as a whole, don't give a lick about black women. That's probably why it's so easy for them to leave black women to fend for themselves. As Cynique mentioned we, black women, do our best when we fight for ourselves. We have our best interest at heart. Out.

Well by that defintion you weren't a citizen. Since there were laws abridging your rights. Citizens don't have to fight for civil rights.

@Pioneer1Don't twist my words to elevate yourself. What you said about LeBron James was not "reasonable and balanced", it was slanted and patronizing because the good that you see in America is aligned with an Oreo mindset wherein black people must be grateful to the country who subjected them to 4 centuries of enslavement from which they have never recovered, - and who must imitate white people so they can be accepted by them. That's your prerogative but, as i have said, i have no love for this country and what it really stands for.

@Pioneer1Ooooh puleeze. Quit your whining and unsubstantiated generalizations about "thousands of women" you know nothing about. Farrakhan advised all of his followers to not vote in the last election and look at the misogynistic racist he helped elect. Why would you cite all of your paternalistic chauvinistic examples and then deny that Obama fits the bill in light of the actual figures Mel provided? Why wasn't Farrakhan helping all the professional women supposedly left bereft by the Obama administration? i have yet to hear any black women of prominence other than his poster girl say that they are where they are because of him. It goes without saying that i or thousands of other black women have never heard of this ava woman. I stand corrected that Mel didn't ask for the name of any black man who uplifted black women to the level of white women. She knew that was asking too much. I have reflected on this thread, and have come to the conclusions that black women collectively are their own best champions. The reason they are not put on a pedestal and cherished, is that black men can't collectively get their own acts together, or get past thinking that white women are the real trophies. I'll let Mel speak for herself.

I never said i wasn't an american. This is what i posted: "The hypocritical united states of amerika is the best of the worst, but unlike you, i will never be one to sing its praises. i was born here but i don't have a patriotic bone in my body and Donald Trump is not my president."

@Pioneer1The 2 women i am talking about in one post by me are the Muslim sister who Farrakhan helped and the teacher you say Booker T. Washington helped. The 2 women I make reference to in another thread of mine are Viola Davis and Beyonce whose cover photos on TIME are what sparked the original debate as to whether they were independent black women beholden to no man. This debate had gotten so entangled that i got caught up in providing an example of one man who launched the career of 2 black women whose fame is international, instead of providing the name of one man whose efforts uplifted black women collectively to a level even with white women. Obviously, it's arguable as to whether this question has been answered.