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http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/08/19/5-pioneering-scientists-who-were-spiritual-mystics-most-of-them-were/ https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/611905 https://www.speakingtree.in/article/partnership-between-science-spirituality https://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/12-famous-scientists-on-the-possibility-of-god_us_56afa292e4b057d7d7c7a1e5

Do any of these articles prove that science is the new religion? Or that the scientific community espouses the religious community? Or that individuals in the field of science go to church, and apply what they experience there to the work they do in their laboratories? And do these articles differentiate between spirituality and religion? Or are they simply acknowledging that some scientist ponder the "God" factor?

@DelThanks for your non-opinion.

@Mel Hopkins that's eerie that you would cite an example similar to one i had just been thinking about myself last night, in regard to the 3 blind men touching an elephant, which one described as having rough skin and the other described as having a tail, while the last one insisted it had tusks; all 3 were telling a truth that was influenced by their sense of feel. Everybody does have their own truth when it comes to a body of truth. In this discussion, the goal seems to be prove whether science encompasses religion. I say that If a religious person makes a discovery and is credited with this, then his religion is besides the point. Pioneer claimed the Hippocratic oath was an example of science adopting religion. But Hippocrates was as an ancient Greek physician, not a religious figure. Serindipity was what inspired scientist and Isaac Newston's theory about gravity, not his religion. Science is about proven fact, religion about blind faith. Mythology is about fictional gods and gave rise to Paganism , whereas the Bible purports to be true accounts about real people. The Pantheism which believes all things in nature are connected is a spiritual philosophy, not a religion. This is my mind-set, and actually we are, in deed, all affected by our mindsets. Mel, i absolutely love your anecdote of using brown paper bags to roll your hair up as an ingenious example of "making do",- with using what's available because - you do not have another choice at hand. Statistics and proof Religion preaches statics and proof ? Science has blind faith? i disagree.

I’ve used paper bags to set and curl my hair. That doesn’t mean paper bags are its intended design and incorporated in its daily use. Setting my hair with paper bags is my practice and possibly the practice of other women. However, a paper bag was designed as a disposable container. Yet its properties allow us to find other uses... The days of the week, months were not a religious discovery or creation. If no one ever assigned a label to it or decided its uses; nothing would change because the moon comes up at night and the sun rises in the morning - and its positioning to the earth changes. In our early human existence, pagans observed the moon phases and suns cycles for natural events - irrigation, gestation, birth, harvesting. reaping, sowing, etc. This was even before any mythology was created. Before there was mythology there was observation, some Africans threw in counting based on the moon phases and they came up with a base 7 mathematics. Today we call it science, but the other wiser species and animals simply live within it - all this activity was going on 100s of thousands of years before priests installed political systems and put themselves at the top of the food chain. This was before they tricked people into believing natural occurrences were controlled by a god or gods. So returning to Pioneer’s crude statement about African science vs western science and its relationship to turd and pizza - It's akin to sheldrake's quip about some observers (scientists) building further observations based on the unknown (first cause). Now an interesting dynamic to this conversation for me was the fact that each of us were told to think a certain way and each of us brought this thinking to the discussion and it’s those beliefs that shut down our ability to create a new use from nature's properties. Once again discourse has cast its spell on us. I think it has our entire community spellbound