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Why do I have to defend the idea of being respectful to one another? And you wonder why more women don't post. Thank you again for an illuminating discourse. Respect isn't about how I feel it's about how the other person feels. This inability for empathy or consideration for the other person's needs and feelings are akin to the approach of racists, sexists and misogynists. Who can't see their actions clearly either.

A lot of the boys without Dads end up with drug problems. I can think of about six that I knew about in our circle.

Where are the Dads? On my block it was two parents. Amongst family and family friends less so. Did you have a two parents household? If not, did it make you deficient?

Pioneer if you are still waiting for an apology maybe You should think about frequenting more moderated discussions, where the discussions aren't so confronting.

You are wrong. This is a public forum and that was a toxic display of Black self hatred. Which had a negative impact on everyone on the site. You don't have a sense of perspective beyond your own feelings and experience. Thise arent leadership qualities Pioneer. You exceed in rhetiric but your logic is faulty at least in my opinion. When Black men talk about the solutions for Black people. And i think one of two things generally. They should learn to listen and develop both compassion and understanding. Or just let women run things. Read a little about Huey Newton, up until the drugs he did both, he married his desire to protect Black people with a vision a plan and action. I agree with Troy get out beyond your circle. It will expand your perspective. It worked for countless Black Musicians and el-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz or not. He was clear about looking for and exploiting weakness. He doesn't respect or fear you enough to apologise. You are the only person he turned out on the page. He found that chink in your armour. Which is obvious because displays of strengths also illuminate weakness.

That's ironic coming from you and directed at me. Since you didn't feel that way about Kalexander2 insulting your mother. As I recall you were prepared to fight over words from someone you never met. And everyone had an opinion on the matter. Did you or Anyone else say that it was fine? You have said my memory is faulty. So please correct an errors or presuppositions that you see. Or is respect only abstract, when requested for those you hold in contempt. @Pioneer1 Laissez-faire is more of an economic term than a financial one. I believe it's also a philosophical one as well.

I have listened to a few women and that's not the problem. The problem is they either don't feel heard or their positions arent being considered. You could ask women. Or you can find men that agree with you. That's requires less work and self inspection.

I will respond to this off-line. @Troy

Used but not respected.

Join the club Nubian you are attacking a man that suggested you listen to the choices Black Women make. Okay. Thanks Cynique your post encapsulated everything I felt.

@Chevdove

Bill Cosby admitted to buying drugs to use on young women that he was going to have sex. Some were starlets that he offered to help. He drugged them rapped then and then bought their silence. What part isnt clear. Je has joked about drugging women on three separate occasions. Two of which i posted. I had heard he was nasty pice if work by a friwnd who worked in the industry. Yiu think he doesn't belong in jail, okay. All if that sounds pretty clear. Perhaps it is not I yhat needs someone to clarify the situation.

@Chevdove did you watch the clip I posted?

So welathy people can conmit crimes as long as the pay their less wealthy victims?

Yeah I'll post links Mel. Troy nit certain how respect equals censorship in your mind. But ok ,it is what it is. Nubian it's a dynamic. Loren is aware of the perception of a white guy participating. Your response makes his participation less likely. Plus he doesn't sound like the enemy. Just as a general comment. Disagreement is fine but at times it feels like I am having a two sided monologue.

This conversation was illuminating. Troy as moderator and owner. You set the tone. And what the level of respect participants can expect in the forum. Personally I will be participating less than i have been. Just links and no comments.

Troy don't you have a problem with a rapist buying their silence?

Ok Pioneer opinions are never wrong. I am out.

Or it could become short for Lorenzo

Pioneer there's a difference between specifity and generalities. I'll make this very understandable. Mel said man, you say men. Are white people better than black people not in my personal experience. You clearly have a different experience. You are conflating colour, wealth and Class. In the day time I worked in financial services met and saw the heavy weights in the field. Saw Michael Milken on the elevator at Drexel Burnham, said hi to Reggie Lewis who was on his way to meet Michael Milken, was at a meet and greet with Max Chapman, and spoke with Ken Chenault, meet presidential candidate Michael Dukakis. Had a personal chat with Peter Lord about astrology. He is in the Family Stand and he wrote Touch for Paula Abdul. I hung with artists musicians and night people. I have experienced different circles. And like i said earlier it doesn't make me more evolved. It just means my perspective is broader. You clearly have a different temperament, experience and perspective. Its pointless for me to argue with Anyone who takes their world to be the entire world.

Troy like Weinstein it wasnt a secret in the industry. I heard about both Kevin Spacey and Cosby being predators in the 90's by an individual who had first hand experience with them. Cosby admitted in court to buying illegal drugs to have sex with young women. The real monster is Camille because some assaults happened in their home. So she either would recognise the dates as when she wasn't home or she may have been home. He had a 25+ year history of drugging and raping women. He made jokes about dtugging and raping women. It's a power thing with him because he had enough fame and money he didn't have to drug them. I saw first hand how people reacted to celebrity. I used to read Tarot at a bar that was owned by Michael Imperioli's wife. I was at the after party for the Movie he did with Spike Lee. I have chatted with both Corey Glover and Vernon Reid. So i was a but closer to that world than most. However you have your reasons for defending a serial convicted rapist, who bought women's silence. Okay Troy no argument from me.

Perhaps other participants may be intersted in the clip Troy.

Beleiefs are a function of experience, and expectations. I didn't like white people for the longest because I was bullied. In my 30's I met a lot of white European artists and people that were artsy farsty. And most of my friends were illegal. And even though i wasn't any artist I was accepted.

It's a non starter for Woke Men.

He drugged a womwn who stated she was down for it all. That and the Larry King comment. There's another clip I'll see if i can find it.