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  1. I have some thoughts on all of this subject. I was very interested to hear Chevdove elucidate on the Black Foot Indians.  My father told us his mother, who was not married to his father, was a native American woman.  I had no reason to doubt this because there was big portrait of her in a round ornate picture frame, that hung in my parents' bedroom. Because this picture was not in color i can only deduce that her skin color was medium tone, being neither dark nor light.  She had an abundant crop of hair that was probably black in color, and wavy rather than straight in texture.  It was styled in a long braid that was twisted in a knot pinned in the center of her forehead. She had high cheekbones,  thin lips and a well sculpted nose and almond-shaped eyes. She was beautiful.  This picture hung in that room all during my childhood, and me and my siblings referred to her as "our Indian grandmother".  My grandfather who was born in Missouri and grew up in Kansas. a territory he left as a young man in his 20's to seek out his fortune in Chicago even before the "Great Migration" which started around 1915.   He had married another woman and still lived in Chicago  and would come to visit us from time to time during the years he was alive.  He, oddly enough, was light complexioned, had freckles and nappy red hair.  Anyhow. i seemed to have  remembered him once saying about my dad's mother, the woman he had not wed, who was about 5 years older than him and had died young, was a Black Foot Indian.  This stuck with me as a kid of about 8 years old because, in all of my childish innocence,  i wondered if she had black feet. But in my mindless youth, i never paid much  attention to anything my parents had to say bout their forbears.  Fast forward many years when i came to realize the importance of tracing  my roots.  In doing  research about my family tree, i saw that the Indian tribes that inhabited the area in Missouri and Kansas where my father and his people were from,  were of the Osage nation, and i thought that was probably the tribe my grandmother was from, and that i was confused about my "black foot" memories.  But, maybe she was a Black Foot who migrated to Kansas from nearby  Nebraska where  Chevdove placed some members of the Black Foot tribe. To me, that makes my grandmother more special because according to Chevdove,  this tribe  put up a fight when it came to government intervention.  😡 


     Also, my hair which started out as being a sandy reddish color and frizzy in texture, eventually turned brown and become quite bushy.   However, as the years  continued to pass, the texture of my hair continued to gradually change becoming thinner and quite silky.  Now in my 80s i have long straight white hair  (which i tuck under styled wigs when i go out because it is thin on top. ). Also a dentist once told me that my teeth had unusual characteristics that he'd never seen before but these traits were possibly native American in origin. 😬


     My late brother-in-law, who was married to my older sister, was another example of someone whose hair nappy hair changed texture as he aged, it being almost straight at the year of his untimely death at age 50.  He was a very exotic looking man.  Tall, slender, amber in color,  a  long narrow  face, a keen acquiline nose.  It's so weird that my tall, slender 14-year-old great-grandson looks the same way altho he and this brother-in-law  are in no way related; never  even knew  each other. Ironically,  this grandson's other great-grandmother on his father's side obvious has native American blood lines...  She actually looks like an Indian squaw in her old age, complete with long braids.    


    So tell me,  do i sound like a person who is full of self-hate?  Like somebody who is lost and wants to be white?? Like somebody who should be riveted on Africa?  When y'all talk about this "self-hate" thing, leave me out. i am, who i am and have no problem with this.  And, i like all of my different blood lines, including the Scotch-Irish ones.  i especially like my alien, Type "O" Rh-negative blood.  👽


    OK. I'm done.  

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  2. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

    Not only are you 3 proudly declaring how acceptable and justified it is to support loving and praising White men over Black men, but you 3 are steadfast in it and are proving synergistic support to each other.

    This is a lie.  i never  said that i preferred white men over black ones because white ones were better. i said i can appreciate a powerful white man who is also kind, which is what we all said, but you continue to distort this because you are so consumed with envy and insecurity. i also said i could appreciate these 2 traits in black men. I married and was wed to a black man for 50 years so it's not like i have to defend myself against your ridiculous accusations. You just can't get over me defending a white guy who said he was married and who expressed his intention of trying to empathize with black women.  Seething with resentment, your silly reaction was to make snide references to his sexuality.  Just because i find you insufferable doesn't mean i reject all black men.

    3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

    Because he doesn't share YOUR values of contempt for Black men.
    As many times as he's called you sister/sista....you haven't (to my knoweldge) returned the favor.  Which I wasn't surprised about, because I already knew....lol.
    And even if you started doing so, it wouldn't matter because it would just be you covering your tracks. 


    More lies.  As if your myopic view on this subject carries any credibility.  You rarely  assess a situation correctly.  Nubian Fellow  actually called me "queen"; so much for your "knowledge", a word you can't even spell.  I missed Nubian Fellow when he was gone, and was glad when he briefly returned, and hope he comes back again. i consider him a fine young man with whom i share many ideas, and i actually think of him as a "son" more than anything. i don't have to adhere to what you have deemed is mandatory for embracing one of my own.


    @Pioneer1I hope you didn't miss Mel's post preceding this one.

  3. 52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

    I originally entered this thread to prove to Nubian Fellow that he's wasting time and energy trying to convince women who DO NOT consider him an ally or even a brother to agree with him about the beauty of Black women.
    The self hatred and love of White masculinity is far too strong.

    @Pioneer1You're full of it. i'll let Mel speak for herself but, me,  I like Nubian fellow and love the way he articulates his points. Not seeing eye-to-eye when it comes to black hair is the thing he and I disagree about. We haven't clashed about any other aspect of black beauty.   He's very perceptive and realistic when it comes to black men, as well as the ramifications of Africa's downfall. And he is not obsessed with the ridiculous idea that black women idolize all white men and look down on all black ones.  Your lies about us equating wealth coupled with kindness as a sign of extraordinary masculinity is just another indication of how you distort things.  It's ludicrous for you to think you have to hip Nubian Fellow about what only exists in your mind, especially since he's perfectly capably of using his own judgment when it comes to the position taken by the women here. With nothing to back you up, you have tried to make him your ally by planting the idea in his head that we aren't or wouldn't be his ally, when we might very well be so, depending on the circumstances. And your petulant accusation about black women hating themselves just because after 4 centuries, they have earned the right to be their version of mainstream America is just an example of your stagnancy. Finally, why wouldn't we consider Nubian Fellow a "brother"?   It's all in the family.

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  4. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

    For a so-called "cynic" you seem to have a lot of faith in the system and can find every excuse in the world to justify why Jussie is CLEARLY being mistreate

    I gave information as to the current status of the case, something you can't comprehend because you are repelled by facts.  How you can consider yourself  well informed is laughable. You can't even come up with an assessment of the situation that is something other than the same ol tired rhetoric.  Actually,  the African American community,  including you, is pissing on itself because they think Jussie is being railroaded by the Chicago police. Now wipe  your snotty nose and shuffle on back into your dank black man cave before Mel and Del do another number on you. You can pass the time by fantasizing about being RKelly.

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  5. 17 hours ago, NubianFellow said:

    Witnessing these effects of white supremacy or as some would rather say, black inferiority, NY has now passed a law that prohibits businesses from being prejudice against black people who wear their own natural hair at work. It's funny, 2019 and we are just now passing such law. Of course I expect black people to be confused about their identity. A lost people is a group of people who are very easy to control. That's why supremacists have been successful at manipulating and controlling us for centuries.

    i don't know whether you can legislate the acceptance of hairstyles that the mainstream deems bizarre. Private industry can find ways to circumvent this law via of promotions and perks. Furthermore, there is hair, and there are hair styles.  A lot of these extreme styles  are not natural, They are extended bedecked affectations.  And i continue to dispute your assertion that black people are confused about their identity. if they can trace their roots back 3 or 4 generations in this country, and most can,  they know who they are and should not be encouraged to ignore this by those who want to dictate to others what they should consider themselves to be. The only people who are lost are those who ignore what information is available, preferring to imagine and concoct who their long lost ancestors might have could have should have been.  These fanatics are who are dangling  in a limbo of their own making.  To each his own.  

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  6. @NubianFellowAll of your theories which are shared by many many others who all believe that white people work in concert and are apparently of one mind when it comes to how blacks are to be handled, something made possible because whites have gotten together and planned it all out. The notorious "THEY".  Aside from resembling the plot of a dystopian sci-fi novel, what you say mostly  serves to reinforce the idea of how superior whites are, as evidenced by how they are able to exert this much control over the fate of blacks. 


    i happen to think that what exists in America today is the inevitable result of power corrupting and a part of this dynamic is the very human tendency of those in power not wanting to share it. It's the nature of the beast.  Where we are today is a result of human evolution, motivated by a  "king of the hill" mentality. And "to the victor, go the spoils". Tell me, do you think if the situation was reversed that blacks would treat the whites they dominated with justice and kindness?? i think not. You are bogged down in your idealism, thinking that life is fair.  Blacks are unlucky.  And apparently not so smart.  Or maybe just different from those who are good at conquering.  Whatever.


    Soothsayers like you are preoccupied with pointing your fingers at scheming whites, with wringing your hands over "unwoke" blacks.  You are consumed by a narrative which never stops flowing from the river of your discontent.  So how's that workin' out for ya? Are things any closer to your dream of blacks reversing the tide?  Huh? Shake it off and watch the sun set. It'll come up tomorrow. Enjoy the view.  Life is a state of flux and change, as a by product of this, will come with time.  The worse fears of Caucasians will one day be realized and they will eventually be swallowed up by people of color. Class divisions will be what makes a difference. Wealth will be what determines who will rule and who will serve.  And the earth will continue to rotate on its axis.  Maybe.




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  7. Jussie has a good lawyer and he'll be given his day in court to defend himself against these charges brought against him based on the findings of a grand jury.  From what i understand, most  of the charges stem from him telling 2 entirely different versions of what happened to him when interviewed by 2 different detectives.  in one he said he could tell his attacker was white because he could see his white skin showing through the eye-holes of his ski mask...

  8. @NubianFellow @Troy  @Mel Hopkins  We all seem to be on the same page. I was just getting ready to post my thoughts when Mel's above comment agreeing with Troy's appeared.  To me, being "woke" is relative. One group's wakeful mindset is, indeed,  another's yawn of dismissal.  A very insightful definition that originated with Einstein describes insanity as continuing to repeat the same behavior over and over, and expecting a different result.  Such has been the case with black people who for a least a century have been calling for black unity year in and year out, expecting for it to become a stable reality. Crazy  apparently.   


    Another rallying cry needs to be adopted.  Something like  "creating a village", a slogan to encourage individual black parents to simply  discipline their children to be respectful and ambitious in the hope that this admonition will be contagious and a new generation of children raised by a village of responsible parenting  will be the result.  Of course, some folks just can't be reformed and they will be relegated to the rank of collateral damage,  - participants in their own genocide.  What's left will be a thinned-out race of people who will be better equipped to ....whatever,  Awwww, just forget it.  This ain't going anywhere... 😵  Optimism is also a delusion.


    @NubianFellow   Pictures of Chicago's 2 natural-coiffed mayoral candidates, Lori Lightfoot and Toni Preckwinkle.






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  9. Welcome, back Nubian Fellow!    I hate false eyelashes, and I find synthetic extensions that replicate Afro hair texture to be oxymorons.  Everything is a delusion when it comes to female vanity. Black people should make stable family units a reality when it comes to progress. 


    Anyway, you will undoubtedly  be happy to hear that 2 black women are competing to be the next mayor of Chicago, and they both wear their hair natural.  Too bad this might work against them among white voters.  That's a dilemma when seeking power.   White people fear blacks whose appearance suggests a threat or militant leanings.  Ironically what one of the candidates, who is gay, has going for her is the enthusiastic backing of the LGBT community who might neutralize the white voters who seem to be leaning toward the other candidate who is light-skinned and has naturally curly hair.  Best case scenario is that white voters will sit the election out and let these 2 black females  compete for the black vote. This is not far-fetched, because voter turnout was very low for the run-offs.  People in Chicago seemed to be disgusted with the city's politics in general.  Glad i don't have to ponder this decision, because i live in a suburb of Chicago. 

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    Cynique starts with a question. That is compared against her experience. However her analysis also includes the lives of others. Most notably her children and grandchildren. Since their experiences yields better representation then using her contemporaries. 


    i guess i do start with a question.  And the questions are rarely ones i ponder about.  They simply pop into of my head, and they can catch people off guard because they are so invested in their beliefs, that they overlook the obvious. 


    i am a very curious person dating back to my childhood. This curiosity coupled with my natural skepticism has earned me the label of being negative.   However,  i think of myself as taking an overview and being cynical is a result.  Being positive has its place, but you never hear about how often being positive has not achieved a desired goal.  A lot of other factors come into play, and substantiate what i call being realistic. I am, indeed, hypercritical, expecting a perfection i wish i, myself, possessed.  What i have come to realize is the power of words once one learns how to weaponize them. (a lesson brought home to me by my Facebook encounters) 


    i do draw from my experiences and over the years, have tended to categorize people as certain types whom i instinctively react to. And, yes, i do pick the brains of my children, grandchildren and now great- grand children who each come from different backgrounds and circumstances.  They keep me a breast of things, and a lot of what they reveal doesn't inspire my optimism. 


     What i am most conflicted about is my blackness.  i have a love-hate relationship with black folks.  As for white folks, i'm simply an audience for their actions.  What i do know for sure, is that i am becoming increasingly burnt out.  Everything gets on my nerves. The spirituality that comes into play in my solitude is what allows me to transcend the agitated flux of this world and to settle into a different zone.


    Oops, got carried away.  Does anybody care?  zzzzzzzzzzzz

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    @Cynique, Pioneer is the Riddler to your Batman. I think you need him on some level 😉


    @Troy  Well, you think wrong in your capacity for being totally clueless as to what i need. There are a lot of discussions that pioneer is a participant in that i bypass because i'm not interested in the subject or his opinion on it. As for my responding to comments he makes to or about me, I don't have to offer any excuses for that.  In other instances, he's just something to kick around like an old empty can.  😣



    ...if as a "creator" of pornography a woman began exploiting and abusing those working for her THEN I would have a problem with her as I would a man doing the same thing.

    Get outta here, pioneer, and your pro promiscuous self.  You wouldn't have a problem with a woman exploiting and abusing her male employees; you 'd envy them  and try to get job working for her in hope of being the recipient of what you'd consider fringe benefits. Didn't i tell you how easy you are to  pick on.  LOL 


    And i must say, Del, your above responses to Troy's question were so much more thought provoking and informative than pioneer's dull, vapid testimony.

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  13. @ Peeonear. Unfortunately for you,  neither Del nor i place any credence in anything you say. Especially since you ignore his accurate descriptions of you.  And  you really have convinced yourself that  of all the cool guys on this board that i would  stalk a dufus like you who early-on pouted because me and the other women who posted here never take what you say seriously.  LOL.  As i have said on numerous occasions, most of what you say makes you easy pickins to dispute. Your ego just begs to be deflated.  BTW, Nubian Fellow and Gibran, if you're reading this, i sure wish you would start posting again because  i miss your interesting input.    


    do you suggest Black men just STOP having sex with anyone and just masturbate so as to never again be accused (justified or falsely) of sexual impropriety?


    No.  I suggest you have sex with consenting partners, preferably black women or men.



    I would expect women who find these features attractive and wholistic (how ever many or few there are)  to COME TO THE SUPPORT of men who allegedly fit this description when they are harassed and targeted.
    If women can shield and protect gay men they should do it for straight men too.

    Who shields and protects gay men?  I don't.  I just reject your implying that any guy who doesn't rub you the right way as being gay.   I support any black man who has not been caught and proven to be a predator.  Furthermore, any straight man should be able to cut the apron strings and protect and shield himself.

  15. Everybody and their brother is patting themselves on the back, as if their gut feelings about this case is an indication of how wise they are, never taking into consideration how most black folks have a knee jerk reaction when it comes to how police deal with black victims.  Blacks are naturally suspicious about any situation that involves them and law enforcement . That's why the conspiracy crowd is now embracing Bill Cosby and RKelly, creating rationales for their being found guilty.  Now a documentary about Michael Jackson is being aired tonight on HBO as an expose of how Michael  really was a pedophile according to 2 of his victims, who give graphic accounts of their experiences with him.  Yet, another reason for supporting  the idea that America is trying to demonize black men.  All i gotta say, is that knowing this may be the case, why do brothers put themselves in the position of being branded.  Plus, when you seek to perpetuate the myth about penis size and testosterone overload, what can you expect when it comes to your  being viewed as sexual predators.


    The thing about the Jussie Smolette case is that everybody in the equation is a black man, the victim, the chief of police and the 2 Nigerians who i wouldn't trust as far as i could throw them because devious Nigerians have been sticking it to the African-worshiping  diaspora from the time they sold them into slavery. Chicago's black chief of police is the most authentic figure in this case. He's a street-wise brother who has no delusions about the racism that permeates the Chicago law enforcement.  He bent over backwards to treat Jussie fairly.  He has said that Jussie will have his day in court and that the evidence the police have is not solely based on the check, that they have a whole slew of inconsistencies in Jussie's story.  So let the chips will fall where they may.  

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  16. My subconscious is my built-in computer.  When i can't remember something i know, all i have to do is feed the data i do remember about the subject into my subconscious mind, and it will process the data and the specific answer i am seeking will pop into my head in a short matter of time. Whatever problem i think about before i go to sleep at night, will be sorted out when i wake up in the morning because my subconscious mind does its thing . My subconscious mind is my alter ego, my best friend, and my spiritual guide. My unconscious mind programs and symbolizes my dreams.



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    Maybe Troy and Cynique think your jokes are funny but I think they're little "limp wristed".

    @Pioneer1Of course you wouldn't think they are funny because they ridicule and expose you for what you are.   And, of course, the first thing you resort to when you can't come up with a retort is to make references to your  tormenter's sexual orientation, something which seems to always be on your mind.    

  18. @Pioneer1   You are really itchy over my  being civil to this white guest poster, Lorne Carle.  It's eating away at you. You can't let it go. And you actually think i have an obligation to justify to you my treatment of Mr. Carle, and that he owes you a response.  He and me will let you stew in your juices. Hope our thwarting your eagerness to examine our behavior doesn't aggravate your anal cyst....  😫

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  19. @TroyYou seem to be under the impression that i live and breath FaceBook.  I don't.   It's a diversion  that i check out daily and then go about my life.    i wish you'd stick to scolding me for not caring about the danger FaceBook poses to my progeny rather than implying that i am ignorant  of its flaws  and pitfalls. How could i be,  as much as you preach to me about them?    What i say now and have always said is that I don't give a damn about the dire implications FaceBook portends. It is what it is.  A sign of the times.  You do enough worrying for both of us.  Keep at it.    


    As far as my loving the funny memes, the Buddhist quotes and the spiritual illustrations, they provide me with instant gratification that i actually can't get anywhere else.   So shoot me... 




    I'm back.  Had to go finish watching Michael Cohen's testimony before the House of Representatives. It's on all the major channels.  Scandalous! He's really a sleaze bag, but it takes one to known one and he boldly called the President of the United States, a lying, racist, cheating con man, and i loved it!  

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  20. @Troy Calling somebody unorthodox is not a disparagement. Here is the definition of the word "unorthdox": contrary to what is usual, traditional, or accepted.  Synonyms:  unconventionalunusualuncommon. (Maybe i should also provide you with a definition of disparagement.) And even if unorthodox was a negative word,  i don't have to placate you and pioneer for my iconoclastic approach to this subject. In my self-proclaimed role of a  iconoclast, i seek the truth.  Why wouldn't i investigate Frances Cress Wellsing's backstory? She was a public figure. Why should she escape scrutiny?  You and pioneer are simply miffed by my rejection of whom you aggrandize because you think everybody should embrace whomever you anoint.
    And,  yes, "60 Minutes" on CBS is my criteria  of a news program that is not a purveyor of fluff pieces. Why do you subscribe to  white CBS all access since you consider my reference to Oprah being on 60 Minutes as a sign of my believing that being on a white show validates her?  And  Frances Cress Welsing was not pro-unapologeticaly black.  The only blacks she appreciated were those who conformed to her specifications. It was her way or the highway. Just like most idealogues.
    As for your "generalizations" always accompanied by a qualifying "most", if you, yourself,  didn't place so much weight on them while disparaging the exceptions to them,  maybe i would cut you some slack when it comes to your using them in an effort to substantiate your claims.  Case in point is the generalizing of your experience with links to social media articles being fake news or irrelevant, something which doesn't void how social media also gives links to credible articles in reputable newspapers and publications as well as up-to-the minute videos of actual news events captured by the cameras of CNN and MSNBC, as opposed to the YouTube relics you think are the gospel. You resort to cherry-picking when making your findings, then chide me for only seeing things from my point of view because i and millions of others regularly click on FaceBook links to articles that aren't fake or irrelevant.  You don't really think you are generalizing, you think that only what you say matters.  
    Social media may revolt you but I love how FaceBook ridicules celebrities and sacred cows, providing comic relief from all the serious and depressing news of the day. And how it inspires me with the spiritual memes and Buddhist quotes that i have become a target for - because i "like" them. You can continue to brood over social media's effect on a dysfunctional society, and you can deplore TV for providing arm chair spectators with the banal entertainment and hyped-up news that's not served up the way you want it to be but the world will go on while you shake your head and wiggle your finger at all us naughty people who live our lives they way we choose to.  😝

  21. 3 hours ago, Troy said:

    We are little more than robots, a series of sophiticated but completely predictable chemical reactions. We just believe we have free will. We have no more free will than a tree or a guppy. 



    3 hours ago, Troy said:

    ...the position I have taken and no one have said anything to convince me otherwise. 

    when you take a position then that implies that there are 2 sides to a question, and in this case there is no way of knowing which one is correct or even if both can be.   

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