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frankster At the heart of the issue is that AI is a Self Learning Software....For Software to become AI it must Train Itself to problem solve toward a Goal.... Is it "learning" or is it "programming"? It is my understanding that learning requires CONSCIOUSNESS. A type of self awareness. If AI has self awareness....it's no longer "A"I because it's no longer artificial. Can AI evolve the ability to Change its function based on its ability to train itself on information it is Exposed to......Emergent Abilities and Deceptive Behaviors - Grok In short can AI act or make decision contrary to and independent of its Programming Software.....Meaning Human programmers still do not know exactly how it arrives at its decisions and why. I don't believe true AI can. Artificial Intelligence can't evolve into something better any more than an artificial apple can evolve into producing seeds that can be planted to produce more artificial apples. It's simply biologically impossible. But if you have a group of Beings CALLING Themselves AI or being presented as such.....sure....THEY can. No...because Western Society is a Racist Society Western Society is made up of a lot of people....including you. Are you saying ALL of them are racist? You used the word "they".....not "Western society" Had you used the term "Western Society" then I would not feel the need to distinguish between All and some.. What's the difference between generalizing "all" of Western Society and "all" of White folks? Whether you're talking about a society or a race, you're talking about groups of people made up of individuals...some good and some bad.

At some point during the late 80s......the ghetto turned into the "hood".....lol.

frankster Apparently.....Now it does. In the past some whites had no scruples on using tech to get what they desired....no matter who or what was destroyed - including other whites. That seems to be the case...not just in the past...but TODAY. In Ukraine right now Whites are slaughtering eachother at the behest of elitists on both sides who are keeping this conflict going for some reason known to them. It would seemed to them or they are making it appear as a serious danger. I think they are crying wolf and making it APPEAR as a serious danger. If it WAS a serious danger....they probably wouldn't even be talking about it. One of the things I've observed in this society is that many if not most SERIOUS dangers are generally not announced or discussed in the media. White folks will pretend that everything is OK or as if it doesn't even exists right up until the last moment when it presents itself as a clear and obvious issue. Examples: The Flood in New Orleans. The Riots in Los Angeles and later on in Minneapolis. These were events originally barely reported on by the media until they got so big the media had no choice but TO report them. On the other hand, if the White establishment is making a big deal over them and preaching gloom and doom over and over again....they most likely know the outcome. Examples: Y2K and the big "nothing" that happened. December 2012 and the Mayan Calendar predicting the end of the world. Think of the thousands of years of dooms day and end of the world predictions that came and went. If they are preaching on it and trying to scare people....it's usually orchestrated. I cannot agree that all of the above is true of all white people. Ofcouse not. Who said anything about "all" or absolutes? If we say Western society is a racist society....would you stand up and object to that statement based on the fact that not "all" people in the West are racist? ProfD Despite having financial security for the rest of their lives, the retirement eligible person is afraid to let go of the 9 to 5 routine because they don't have anything else to do with that time.😎 And you see that much of the time, when people retire from their jobs they die shortly after. It's as if they didn't have a purpose for living any more. But isn't it something that you have so many older people who LOVE getting up early in the morning and working all day for months and years but some healthy young people can't keep a job for a damn WEEK. Start complaining about having to get up in the morning. ....they're too tired. ....the work is too hard. ....the boss looked at them cross-eyed and they don't take that from "nobody". ....they're looking for something better. They got time to drive around the whole city going from one dispensary to the next looking for some strawberry smelling marijuana but can't make it to work on time...lol.

Yeah...... I don't know about the "specialist" part but I do remember sometime in the 90s garbage men became "sanitation workers". Janitors became custodians and "maintenance workers". At first I thought it was a stretch to believe most people don't realize PC * stands for "personal computer" but then I realized how old I was and how many young people under 30 probably DID NOT know this. I used to argue with people who asked me did I have a "Mac" or a "pc". I used to tell them that a Mac WAS a pc....just a particular brand, lol. I remember when the ONLY personal computers were IBM and Commodores...lol. *Or that it could also stand for "politically correct"....lol.

At what point did a REMOTE CONTROLLED airplane or helicopter become a DRONE? At what point did USED vehicles become PRE-OWNED vehicles? At what point did something shown LIVE become something shown in REAL TIME? At what point did humans PROGRAMMING technology to act and react become ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE? Sometimes I wonder if this civilization is actually running out of ideas and has resorted to recycling the same technology and just relabeling it to fool the masses.

ProfD The reality is the people with the most power don't really give a d8mn about who lives or dies including themselves as long as they have paradise while they're on earth. You know what, I hadn't really thought of it like that until you put it THAT way. I figured many people in power were atheist and didn't care about other people's lives, but I didn't consider that they probably don't even care about THEIR OWN lives....as long as they have fun before they die. Which makes them even more dangerous! As they get older and closer to death and know they're about to check out anyway, there's no telling what some of them may do. Hell, they don't even care about the younger elites who might want to enjoy some of that wealth and power for a few more years, lol. We call that hustling backwards. Like Tupac said: Call it what you want just pass the blunt and kick it Money..... The main reason people aren't allowed to know how much time they have on the planet is a combination or procrastination & inertia & every other negative form of mental resources management. I would think the MAIN reason people aren't allowed to know how much time they have on the planet is because it's NOT UP TO THEM to know, lol. It's up to WHOEVER put them here to know the time of their demise. I encourage adults especially middle-aged & seniors to live their lives to the fullest extent as if they only have 5 years left on the planet. Tomorrow isn't promised to anyone. That way hopefully people will pour their time & energy into things that bring them the most peace & joy & add to their happiness. What if they live more than 5 years one might ask. Repeat the process. Don't leave anything on the table. As Morgan Freeman's character Red famously said in Shawshank Redemption "get busy living or get busy dying." Man..... What do you do, save those "sayings" up in a file somewhere to DROP them at just the right time and in just the right place??? 🤣 What a way to end such a profound statement.....lol. I could actually SEE that scene in the movie when I read that, lol. Speaking of people who "knew" when they were going to die........ Remember that old White man who got released from prison but he was too institutionalized and couldn't manage living in the outside world. He ended up hanging himself.

frankster Yes....We all live in our own Subjective Reality and a Shared(agreed upon)Reality... then there is Objective Reality(things as they are) What's the difference between the Shared Reality and the Objective Reality? My understanding....I Am open to correction The Moral conflict that Dario Amodie has been talking about historically is using AI for Life and/or Death autonomous use (without human intervention or decision making input) and Mass Domestic surveillance...by the Security State and the Military Industrial Complex Since when did "morals" ever become an issue or prevent White folks from using the technology available to them to enrich themselves and oppress others? They were using the technology at their disposal for mass domestic surveillance and taking people's lives BEFORE the advent of AI....and not giving a damn whether the public agreed with it or not. The article seems to be more concern with the Moral conflict of Making Money and Being First to Market regardless of the Technology's threat to humanity...Doomsdayism. See, and this is what I mean about the hypocrisy of these people. The entire reason they generate this shit is to make money. Their motive IS profit! If they were truly concerned about the future of humanity, they wouldn't have continued to manufacture nuclear weapons which are much more dangerous than AI. What ideas do they reject? They reject the idea of Beings superior to humanity. They feel THEY have the ultimate authority. They reject the idea of Divine Morality....universal rights and wrongs. They reject the idea of a Judgement Day, that they often colloquially call "Doomsday" Like all tools it depends on what Purpose it is being used for... Unlike most tools it depends on what information it was fed.....or built/based on. Which is why I told ProfD that while AI itself wouldn't try to kill humanity, those who ARE trying to kill humanity may feed it information on the best methods to do this! And ofcourse, they'd then point to AI and make the claim that AI was trying to kill off humanity while hiding their wicked hand. AI has been shown to express Racial Bias...to the Disadvantage of Blacks - and to the Advantage of Whites Sure. If it was programmed BY racists, ofcourse it will express racial bias.

ProfD The alarm bells went ot off when the essayist wrote that AI could kill off the human population before the decade ends. I'd consider it more a matter of crying wolf. There's no chance AI in and of itself could do this because it doesn't think for itself, it takes it's orders from humans. However I can certainly see somebody or some group TRYING to kill off a substantial amount of the human population and BLAMING it on AI. Using this AI warning as a scare tactic or as motivation, if people knew they only had 5 or less years left to live, I wonder how differently they would approach life. I'd quit working and find other means to make a living...lol. Some people think it's too scary or morbid to know exactly when you'd die, but I often wonder if it would actually be BETTER in the long run to know exactly when and how you'd die. Atleast you'd know what to spend time on and what NOT to waste time on. If you knew you only had 5 years left....I doubt most people sign up for medical school...lol. But a bet a LOT of people would apply for mortgages on houses....lol. frankster Insightful response It's going to take me a minute to digest it....lol.

frankster True Yeah, however it DID force me to do research behind the name and I found out more interesting things about Burkina Faso and her history. Your Point is taken and understood.... For you it is a Performance in search for adulation.....For me it is a quest in search of greater understanding My point may be TAKEN however while much of my exchanges on this site just like much of my exchanges in real life are for performative purposes -if you think I'm doing it "in search of adulation" then you obviously don't UNDERSTAND my point...lol. As much as I'd like to..... I've been on this site for nearly 15 years and haven't made any money or gotten any coochie from it....yet, lol. What would a bunch of praise and adulation profit me, here? I learn quit a bit from my exchanges with you, but I must be honest....you're not the first source I come to for "greater understanding"...lol. I simply like the brotherhood and comradery I get from exchanges with Black people from around this nation. Especially how Troy has it set up where it's lightly moderated and you don't have to worry about being kicked off or put in "jail" for minor infractions and offenses like other forms of social media.

Nazi Boni???? Interesting name for a University....lol. frankster Well, I personally enjoyed the exchange but at this point it seems we're just going in circles and as usual it has evolved (or devolved depending on your perspective) into a pissing contest...lol. One of the reasons I engage in debate is for the same reason I used to fight as a kid.....to get attention and impress my peers, lol. But as a kid, if nobody was watching.....I just walked away, lol. Not out of cowardice....because I would fight to defend myself...but out of lack of purpose. What good is knocking somebody out if nobody else was around to witness how good your skills were??? There's not a lot of evidence that anybody else is reading this exchange between us besides ProfD. Maybe there's some lurkers who find our exchange entertaining....maybe....but obviously it's not motivating them enough to chime in and cheerlead or take sides. If nobody else is watching us or even cares.....I don't see any point in even debating. It's a waste of time and energy. Until others join in and encourage more exchange on this subject.....I say believe what you will. Sorry for taking your thread off course, lol.

Anthropic’s moral conflict is playing out in real time Dario Amodei built Anthropic to avoid this very kind of moment. In a stunning essay Saturday, the chief executive of one of the leading AI companies echoed many of the doomsday warnings—from current and recent employees—that sparked panic across the nation this past week. Anthropic’s moral conflict is playing out in real time __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 🙄 I'm not too interested in the subject of this article itself but posted it to illustrate the difference in concerns so many people in this society seem to have to deal with. The gap seems to be as wide as the Pacific. First of all, what "moral conflict" are we talking about here??? When I hear rich atheistic people talk about "moral conflicts" and "doomsday" it tickles me because they're hypocritically using terms for ideas they pretty much reject anyway. And it's usually over something the average person wouldn't even consider worth discussing. There's nothing moral or immoral about using AI. It's just another tool they've invented to increase production, cut the labor force, and explore innovation. It could be good or bad depending on your perspective. But the claim to....whatever they're talking about....leading to "panic" all over the nation is what got my attention. Many people are dealing with homelessness, power outages, diseases, chronic illnesses, low wages, gang violence, and other REAL PROBLEMS around this nation....so who the fuck is "panicking" over this? .....besides a bunch of rich bastards who's lives are going so great that they have nothing else to worry about EXCEPT this? Dialysis clinics are popping up all over the nation because of so much diabetes and kidney failure among people....but THIS is causing people to "panic" across the nation????? It just shows you how people are living in different Realities as illustrated by their starkly different concerns.

frankster Interesting definition. My definition of Liberty is the state of having few restrictions. The fewer the restrictions....the more the Liberty. So while I don't believe in "degrees of freedom", by that definition there can indeed be DEGREES OF LIBERTY. Perhaps it is the detailed expression of ideas and their proper articulation rather than making broad sweeping generalizations and holding extreme beliefs.....that you are CONFUSING with "ambiguity" "switching up" and "dishonesty". A fool will look at a Mayor, a Governor, and a President each occupying positions in Executive Office, and say: "Ok, so which one is in charge? I thought the President held the executive office, but now they're saying the Mayor holds the executive office. And the other day on television somebody said they were running for the executive office of Governor! Somebody is lying to us. Somebody is being dishonest. They are trying to switch it up and confuse us. Everybody can't hold the same office!" It's not that people are lying or being dishonest; it's that he doesn't have the intellect to understand the complexities of the U.S. political system....lol. Instead of trying to engage in intelligent discussions above his grade, his ass needs to be slinging a rag at a carwash somewhere....lol. My point? The confusion that one may call "dishonesty" or "switching up" only ends when you are intelligent and analytical enough in thought to understand the ideas being presented to you. At that point...it no longer confuses you or seems like deception and dishonesty because it makes sense to you now. 🌤️ ......if you ever reach that point, lol.

frankster Which Restriction are not an imposition? There may be many but for the sake of this discussion to lessen the confusion, as I stated previously the ONLY time I will use the word "restriction" is in accordance with a limit that has been imposed by man, machine, or beast. Yes it's happening to you the whole person.....you cannot separate your Aspects from yourself - you and your Aspects are One. Not necessarily. Some people lose their hearing...an aspect of themselves...but THEY are still here. Some people lose a leg or both legs...aspects of themselves...but THEY are still here. Likewise, their legs or hearing can be restricted while the rest of their body is "free" to move about. No not a crime....just intellectually dishonest How so? You consider a person who is not given over to EXTREMES in thought or philosophy, "intellectually dishonest"??? You cannot be generally not free and be unrestrictedly free individually. You can if that which is unrestricted are individual PARTS of you. The individual is confined in the generality....they are free within their limitations - degrees of freedom No "degrees" of freedom. Either it's free or it's not. Perhaps you're speaking of liberty. Physical/bodily aspects are restricted by....Ability Range of Motion Flexibility Mobility Endurance and Sickness I'd rather use the term "limited" rather than restricted. Restricted implies that those limitations were imposed upon them...which is often not the case. If some aspects are free....that is a degree of freedom Only if they have a car and is capable of driving.... Only if that flavor is available..... Those are limitations....not imposed restrictions. Once they have a car...they can drive. Once those flavors are available...they can taste them. Nobody is holding them from it or telling them they can't. Which aspect of their lives has unrestricted freedom?.... In most healthy people: Breathing. Thinking. Moving their limbs. Otherwise it is all degrees of freedom.... Perhaps what you're calling "degrees of freedom" are actually degrees of LIBERTY. Most Freedoms have Limitations....Name the freedom that has no restriction? If it's free...no restrictions are imposed. Imposed by what or whom? Man, machine, or beast Name the Unrestricted Aspects? I just did. See the above. Then name the limit that is neither Natural or Man made? Those set by Divine Forces, such as Out of Body Experiences So now you accept limitations as a part of freedom....That is what is meant by degrees of freedom.. There has always been limitations in freedom. But they aren't imposed by man, machine, or beast...they are natural. You just admitted that your free birds have Limitations Correct. They are limited to this atmosphere. They can't fly to the moon....lol. How then are they free....by your definition? Because for the most part, their limits are NATURAL...and not man, machine, or beast made restrictions. Can they still move eat breathe and flap their wings.....then they are free to those degrees. Now you're qualifying...CERTAIN ASPECTS of their lives are free while THEY are not. What or which birds exist that have no restriction? Again, using "restriction" in the context of THIS discussion....most wild birds. Since we have already that physics/nature imposes restrictions Those so-called "restrictions" are natural limitations and as I've said over and over again, they have been excluded. We don't count those. The only other impositions is Man or Beast Or machine. Which is arguably "man" as well. Where or what are the Freedoms that birds possess that are exclusive of Man Beast and Nature Restrictions? If they are wild, the freedom to fly and to fly where they desire within the boundaries of NATURE. Tell me about the free birds and their freedoms? I just did. *Another interesting thing about freedom is that it works just as well in the negative as it does in the postive. Something can be FREE OF just like can be FREE TO. Free of sugar Free of additives Free of lies Free of corruption When something is FREE OF sugar.....there is NO DEGREE of sugar it contains. If it contains ANY sugar....it's no longer "free of" sugar.

Or opens up a new theater.....lol.

@frankster With all of our discussion about Freedom and Restrictions.....let us not confuse Freedom with Liberty. Although they're closely related, they are actually two separate concepts....lol