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frankster So you switching from brain to mind? Switching? Did I ever suggest an equivalency between AI to the human brain? Was it you who told me ignorance is bliss? No. However, I'm not a big fan of giving people bad news of which they can do absolutely nothing about. Unless it makes a positive difference, I'd rather not tell them. Being Fully Present In the Now is Eternity...or one way to escape the illusion that is Time You don't escape it, because your body is still aging. You can meditate all you want, but that hair is going to continue to get grey unless you dye it...lol. You have already Experience it.....You are everybody and everybody is You....and everything is happening Now I'll leave that one alone. That is the trap....the need to re-experience If you believe it's a trap, then Who do you believe set it? And for what purpose does it serve? Knowledge and Technology belongs to all Mankind....All the Knowledge of the West rest on Eastern Foundations - The Letters Numerals and Words the West uses originated in The East. They have improved the lives of the Whole world... Who is imitate who? You tell me. You are an Eternal Being....Trap in a Cycle of Rebirth for Eternity - does that help If this were true....then attempting to LEAVE that "trap" would be futile. Hence, no need for philosophies or teachings on how to get out of it because according to you....you can't. If it were true..... We are Eternal....not our bodies or personality but our Spirit or Essence You're entitled to your beliefs. Eternal means NO BEGINNING as well as no ending. We were created....so we obviously had a beginning. We Can not know until we experience or taste it... Have YOU experienced eternity (no beginning and no ending) to know this? Something tells me you don't even know what happened back in 1835...lol. If we suppose that we are higher beings than that of a chicken we grow for food....Is it possible for that chicken to escape the coop? Yes, but it won't escape death. Did you do your due diligence and follow the bread crumps I left you....obviously you did not You're not Hansel and I'm CERTAINLY not Gretel. ...you don't need to leave bread crumbs for me, or speak in riddles and parables, lol. Would it help if I said they are from the same root... Yes Can you prove that? No. Is God not Existing? Illogical question Is God non/not existing? Even more illogical, lol. My opinion is that everything comes from God/Nature? You're entitled to that opinion. now you are about to step over that line and come to my side of the argument.... As soon as the Chronic smoke clears....lol. So who created/made Thought? That's a confusing question because you literally conflated create and made together in it. Who CREATED THE CREATOR? No one. THE CREATOR has always existed, always exists, and will always exist.....ETERNAL. Is not God Within Us? I don't believe so. PART of GOD...yes...but not GOD

ProfD Semantics. They are trying to find a better life. You ever heard the old saying: You give a man a fish he'll eat for a day....you teach him how to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime Giving a man a fish and teaching him how to fish isn't just semantics, is it? Circumstances matter. If they are bouncing from one country to the next looking for somebody to GIVE them a better life rather than planting themselves where they are and trying to BUILD a better life for themselves....that's a problem. There's no shortage of Europeans & Arabs in the USA too. True. They're making money here AND back home. Europeans have old money & Arabs have black gold (oil) money. It's not just the money, but it's what they're DOING with the money also. -Are they using it to build businesses and work and generate an economy? Or are they sitting on milk crates chewing on narcotic leaves while waiting on family members in America to send back to them so they can buy more weapons to kill eachother and steal what little bit they DO have from eachother? Money is a a bi-product of a thriving economy where people are actually WORKING to generate it. Not sitting around waiting for somebody to give them something like squirrels in a park. Same mentality & no different from n8gglets living in slums here in the USA. True Bare minimum &/or doing just enough to survive seems to be a human condition. We see examples of it everywhere. I don't know about "everywhere"....lol. You have some people in ALL GROUP who do bare minimum and just enough to survive, but that mentality seems to predominate in some groups more than others. Some of them need to....as James Brown would say....GET UP OFF'A THAT THANG repair and paint the buildings and pave the dirt roads.

frankster AI is mostly Software but some are seamlessly integrated into Hardware If that's the case, then AI would more equivalent to our mind than our brain. Yes....But Software cannot run without hardware In the man-made (artificial) world, no. But the MIND can definitely operate without a brain or body. Infact, many people who have left their bodies will tell you that the mind works BETTER without the brain holding it back and filtering information. In my understanding Mind is Everything both Physical and Non Physical...just as Nature is Everything You believe that mind is physical???? First time I heard that one...lol. Are you sure you're not talking about a MINE...as in "gold mine"...and just misspelled it? That is because you have not read everything and other corroborating philosophies... ...and glad I haven't. I don't want to be cluttered up with a lot of confusion and unproven theories...lol. The greater Light is Internal...The lesser light is External - the lesser is the leading to the trap which we referred to as the the Eternal Cycle of rebirth See, that's the issue. Somebody led you to believe that it was "eternal". My understanding.....is that it is NOT eternal but has a definite purpose and period to complete and once completed you rise above it and move on. ...unless you choose to stay in the cycle to become an Ascended Master and help others in it. My question is, whoever is running around preaching (past or present) that it is some "eternal trap"...how did THEY arrive at that information...since they didn't experience eternity yet? If you are doing the same thing over and over then not remembering that you did it and learned it already ...why is that not a trap? If you don't remember it...perhaps it's because you DIDN'T learn it properly, lol. But on a more serious tip..... The GREATER part of the Soul remembers every lesson learned even if the individual Ego part of the Soul forgets when they enter the physical. You do not have to Learn if you can Re-Member Perhaps But some things must be experienced in order to learn. You can't just "think" about it...you have to DO it and GO THROUGH it. Sometimes the "forgetting" gives the experience greater impact. What good is going to a scary HORROR MOVIE if you're constantly reminded every 5 minutes that: REMEMBER: THIS IS JUST A MOVIE It takes away from some of the entertainment. Sometimes it feels better to forget the past and like you said...dwell in the RIGHT NOW In one Life you are a Black man in another you are a White woman......Whilst on another level you are Everybody - which level would you rather attuned to? I'd like to rise ABOVE all of them and have access to ALL of them to accrue the knowledge that I get from those experiences. True.... Everything that Can happen has happen and is happening everywhere all the time at once In THIS particular plane of Existence or THIS particular set of Realities...yes. But that doesn't mean you've EXPERIENCED or OBSERVED everything that has happened in them....thus the need for various incarnations in them. They provided another route to the Truth ...or more red herrings thrown into the path to throw you off the scent and have you going in circles. I look at what Hinduism and Buddhism is doing for the billions of people who profess to PRACTICE it in Asia. How has it improved THEIR lives and perspective on life? They're imitating the West. There you go.... Eternal Rebirth is what we are discussing......Birth is in time - a beginning Whenever you are birthed your eternal existence is bounded up in time I don't know what you mean by "eternal birth" or why you believe this. I understand you got it from reading various philosophies but why you believe that birth and re-birth will be "eternal" without strong evidence or proof is beyond me. All we know is that Eternity EXISTS...we (as humans) don't know what is eternal and what is not. We can speculate and read different books and listen to different Beings and beings but we don't really know because WE aren't eternal ourselves to verify. Yes it does...because we are also higher beings We're higher than some other beings....but there are also many many other Beings higher than us. I'm not talking about THE HIGHEST BEING....but the many many other Beings in between. The past is a memory and the future is a projection..... In this physical Reality that we are sharing...the past(s) and future(s) exist definitely. They are not mere projections. The concept of time being an Illusion doe not origin in Europe or among white people....In Africa one must study the Concept of Sasa and in India the Concept of Maya and Kala See, this is what I mean about confusion..... One White man sitting in a chair on stage is telling you time doesn't exist. Another White man comes along with his hands in his pockets and tells you it's just an "illusion". See the confusion? Illusions EXIST. So either time exists or it doesn't. This is what I mean about red herrings being thrown in the path of truth to confuse you. When they see you gaining up on knowledge and getting closer to the truth...they run right along side you and give you some new knowledge but with a little bit of falsehood in it to gently nudge you in another direction and take you off the path again. Experiment come from Experience Unless you're talking about the words themselves....maybe you should have that the other way around, lol. Then I'll agree with you. The difference is in the degrees The difference is in substance. Creating starts off with NO substance. Yes.... If you use your understanding to create something by using already materials in a new way and the result is something that never existed.... is this new thing then not a creation? No, because... 1. You used material that was already here to make it. 2. You likely THOUGHT about what you wanted to make first before you made it, so it already WAS in existence before you manifested it on this plane. Is Thought a thing? ABSOLUTELY BRUTHA! Does Thought exist? ABSOLUTELY...BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT! Now you have just happen up on parallel on how the Hindu's says creation came into existence.....Lord Vishnu Dream Man...lol...how does the Hindu "know" this? We don't need any more conjecture brother. Just realize that THE CREATOR Created Existence...and leave it at that. Then the question is... Can the Creator create through his Creation? THE CREATOR can do any thing at any time And why is that Not a limitation of God in You.... Because GOD has no limits....period. What is a Divine Spark if not a bit of God? That's what I believe It is. That doesn't limit GOD, however.

ProfD Spike Lee and Tyler Perry also seem to serve two different agendas. Spike Lee's agenda seems to give Black people their own story back to them in a mostly (though not always) positive like. He shows the good and the bad of AfroAmerican culture, with an emphasis on the good. Tyler Perry's agenda seems to be to entertain and speak to the pain of Black women and gay Black men. He seems to take the dysfunctionality of the AfroAmerican community and lay it at the feet of straight Black men.

ProfD They're trying to huild a better life elsewhere. Are they trying to BUILD a better life for themselves or trying to FIND a better life for themselves that somebody else has already built? The ones trying to leave might feel powerless in their home country. Since they're not a part of the elite or middle class &/or they're vcitims of the oppression...maybe they don't feel at home there anymore. True Not necessarily exploiting but possibly providing them with a better opportunity than they can get at home. Then the question would be why do so many Europeans and Arabs....for whatever reason...have such a better life where THEY live? It can't be accident, because the pattern of Europeans and Arabs doing better than Africans (in general) is too consistent for it to be a coincidence. It's something they're doing that the Africans aren't. The fleeing folks may not he f8cking up the country. They just don't have enough muscle to make it better considering the opposition they're up against in their home country. I understand that many of these African nations and communities are ran by dictatorships and oppressive regimes. Why don't the dictators force the people to build up the country? In other words... If you're a dictator and stealing money, that doesn't stop you from seeing that the buildings are crumbling and the roads are muddy and dirty. Being the dictator or king should make things even EASIER to get done since it's an autocracy and they don't have to answer to anybody else. Force the people to work and build up the country like North Korea. Of course, I believe folks should stay in their home countries & make it better. But, I also understand not everyone is built to put in that kinda work.😎 True. But at some point PRIDE should kick in with some of these men. It would seem that many of them would be too ashamed to leave their countries and go abroad while being so defeated and living in such destitution at home. I mentioned this before in another thread. You can SEE the road is made of nothing but dirt. PAVE IT Look at a whole village full of niggas paddling up and down dirt roads EVERY DAY and ain't none of them got actually PAVING the road and building sidewalks, on their minds. Got their minds on other shit. One is on a fucking cellphone...talking shit. Niggaz walking around carrying chairs and buzzing around on mopeds wasting gas. They aren't working together. Everybody is on their own little "mission".....to do what? It speaks of a "bare minimum" mentality where people are surviving because they're only doing just enough TO survive.

Spike Lee used to be the MAN back in the day. They said HIS movies represented how life really was in Black America, especially at that time. I saw a lot of realistic qualities in his movies that most Black filmmakers aren't able to produce. .....but Spike Lee got older, lol. We have quite a few Black directors and film makers, but most of them don't seem to have the "magical" quality that Spike Lee has.

Children among 109 dead after migrant boat capsizes off Africa At least 109 migrants, including 15 children, have died after a boat capsized while sailing from Djibouti to Yemen, a UN agency said on Sunday. The boat, which was carrying about 350 people, capsized near Guhere, north of Obock — a port town in Djibouti — during the evening of October 8, the International Organisation for Migration (IOM) said, citing survivor accounts. Among the 109 bodies recovered are 52 men, 42 women and 15 children, including nine girls and six boys. Djiboutian authorities are continuing search and rescue operations for the more than 116 who remain missing. More than 80 people survived the shipwreck, all Ethiopian nationals, the report said. IOM is assisting 64 survivors at its Obock Migrant Response Centre (MRC) Children among 109 dead after migrant boat capsizes off Africa Please excuse me, I'm having an FBA nationalist moment right now......lol. But why do some of these niggas keep piling up in boats and sailing away from their own countries, even taking their little children with them? Many of them don't even know HOW to build boats, navigation, or even how to swim. Just so eager and desperate to get away from....whatever they're trying to escape from. Every fucking week you keep reading about stories like this. A boat full of migrants sinking off of one coast or another. If they aren't trying to float to some part of Arabia....they're trying to float to some part of Europe. Don't they have any desire to STAY and BUILD up their own homes? I don't blame the kids, or even the women....but the men. Sometimes I just want to buy a ticket and FLY over there to Africa just to see what's going on there myself. Is it all lies? Is it all propaganda? Is it White folks and Arabs exploiting them? Or are they fucking up their own nations and then running away to go live amongst the White folks? Are they being persecuted and are trying to run away from oppression? Because that's understandable. ....or is it laziness and lack of desire to build from the ground up and would rather run away and go to a place where somebody else already built it up? I can't get angry at Africans alone because the Latinos are doing the same thing here in America; but I see more UNITY among the Latinos and less tribalism. They also seem to be more apt to send money back home and help build up their nations instead of coming here and saying "fuck back home". Months ago, I saw a picture.....a cartoon....that Tariq Nasheed put up one day showing a bunch of Africans running to get some food that White folks in a helicopter dropped off and it featured a whole grown man kicking a woman and child to the side and out of the way as HE runs towards the copter to get some food for himself while a couple other men are trying to climb on to the helicopter and get away....fuck the women and children, lol. I thought it was a cruel and offensive cartoon....but I wonder how close it was to what's really going on over there in some places.

I saw it last night. It wasn't a bad movie....actually better and more engaging than I thought. It certainly doesn't help with the Black man's image though.....lol. Apparently the movie was loosely based on 50's life growing up. I knew he had been shot 9 times but I didn't realize he had grow up around SO MUCH dysfunction. I'm not sure what to say about movies like this. We want the truth to be told, but we don't want to keep re-enforcing negativity and dysfunctionality in the AfroAmerican community with movies and music that encourages it or makes it seem normal.

ProfD We know there's a whole lotta sand n8ggas in the midwest. I remember when they first started coming here back in the mid to late 70s. Before then, nearly all of the gas stations and liquor stores INSIDE the city were owned by Black people. A few liquor stores and most of the pawn shops and grocery stores were still owned by Jews....but Black folks were gobbling up the businesses still left in the city and making inroads. Then one day I go down to the corner store - *back then we had corner stores that sold candy and pop (or "soda" for all Eastcoasters...lol) and other conveniences but no beer or liquor* -and I walk in and saw what I thought COULD have been a White man...but wasn't too White...lol. It was short and had fat hairy arms...lol. It was counting money and speaking to another one who looked just like him in a different language. "Ehh my man.....what's up little bro?" "You need something from me, little broda?" I shook my head and left the store thinking I was in the wrong store.....lol. Then later on I came back and bought what I needed to buy. After that...it seemed like every week I started seeing more and more of them popping up around the city. I'd go visit my cousins...and when WE went to the store....they were running the stores in their neighborhoods too! WTF???? Then the killing started................. Every week you'd hear about some Black boy being shot down by a well armed Arab or Chaldean after some altercation in the store or gas station.

richardmurray Well interesting, maybe because china doesn't have Black folks, specifically descended of enslaved black folk, they will be better off. Or perhaps WE'RE better off to have ended up here, as opposed to over there. All in nature is a balance. I have always argued Black aMericans made the usa. The NAtive american's world was destroyed and its tomb is what the usa is made on. White americans made the usa. But Black Americans made the modern usa by so many black people who had been enslaved to whites making the choice, albiet with so much white pressure, to become Statian/ of the UsA/ commonly called American.[ even though canada to argentina is america] Facts Black American Descended of Esnlaved folk showed a people whose condition was enslaved to whites before the usa was founded in 1492 through the founding of usa in 1776 and through the war between the states when it became illegal while still functional through the 1960s when Alice plus her entire family plus other black peoplewho didn't get to have their stories known were enslaved to whites a few years before I have a dream speech, I saw that movie Alice. I hadn't know something like that even existed in America until seeing that movie. It makes you wonder how many other things in the United States are kept secret from the masses. I rephase simply, the multiracial peace that exist in the usa was born from the choices Black DOSers made, Ofcourse, we FORCED White folks to treat everybody else right atleast half-way decent. If we weren't here, they'd have a 3 or 4 tier system with Whites comfortably on top and ever other group scrapping with eachother for 2nd place. But in parallel, Black DOSers don't have anything as a people. Not one city in the usa is dominated by Black DOSers. What about Atlanta and Detroit? Not one industry in the USA is dominated by Black DOser.s Blacks don't dominate entertainment because we have never been the primary owners of the entertainment industry You make good points Maybe not having a populace like Black Americans is to china's benefit. What benefit is multiculturalism really? Multiculturalism....as long as it doesn't advocating harming those of other races and cultures...is always a good thing because it expands the mind and adds to the pool of innovation. It teaches you that there is more than one way to do things...more than one way to solve a problem. More than one way to have fun.

Interesting picture on that video. It's of George Stinney Jr. a 14 year old Black boy who was put to death back in the 40s. Aside from the atrociousness of his execution....... When I see it it reminds me of a Congolese woman I initially tried to holler at but she could barely speak English. But guess what? She was a CONSCIOUS sista! When I sat down with her to talk to her she'd constantly bring up...in the best English she could...something about "steen". She'd constantly ask me what about "steen". Then she'd show me a picture of him she had. I didn't know who he was at the time but apparently she and a lot of people back in the Congo knew about him and other dark skinned AfroAmericans who have been mistreated through out history. She forced me to do my research.....if I was going to spend any time with her, lol. As far as the video itself............ The author of it....which sounds like a young White man...seems to be trying to drive the point home that public executions in the United States is common and nothing new. People getting killed IN public is relatively common in the United States. And public lynchings were common in the rural South with a very limited audience (usually only those in that local community) as compared to forcing the ENTIRE NATION to watch a person be killed. But the government executing people on national television is very rare in the United States. It seems like it's much more common in countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia or North Korea. It satisfies the bloodlust of an increasingly violent society.

I ain't worried about it....lol. It actually makes us stronger in the long run. Just like a diamond is made BY placing material under tremendous pressure until it crystalizes.....Black American culture itself is derived FROM living under oppressive conditions and coming up with innovative ways to navigate through them. If those oppressive and discriminatory conditions hadn't existed, Black culture wouldn't be as dominant and attractive as it is today. Or as Ceelo Green put it.......... "If I had'a went and took the EAZY way.... I wouldn't be the strong nigga that I am today!"

Well when I see "AI" promoting concepts and making moves that benefit and promote the interests of BLACK PEOPLE over those of White people...not always but from time to time....then I might accept it being independent in thought and "unpredictable"....lol. If you never see that happening and whatever answers it comes up with seems to benefit or favor White folks, then you'll know it IS predictable and has been programmed to be such.

We are part of the Creator....And so share in this ability to a degree I believe this is true. I don't know it for sure but based on the preponderance of evidence that I've gathered from multiple sources over the years, this is likely the case. Do you understand what I am laying down for you to pick up on. Not only am I picking up on it, I can go a bit further....I can DIG IT...lol. Not trying to be confusing but language has limitations.... We are Infinite Beings....trap in physicality Time etc I believe we are Infinite...but we aren't Eternal. Eternal doesn't have a beginning or ending. We as individual entities had a beginning....with THE CREATOR , Who is indeed Eternal. The moment you use something to make some thing.....it is not Ex Nihilio God of the Bible use dirt/earth to make Man and Sound to Make Earth....and called it Creating God...however...didn't "call" it that. Human beings with a LIMITED vocabulary did. Create today doesn't mean the same thing as create in Old English. Just like the world "soul" today doesn't mean the same thing as it did in Old English. You're already dealing with a trickly language where one word can have 7 or 8 different meanings; add the contextual and cultural differences as well as centuries of differences between time periods and you have MASSIVE CONFUSION on your hands...lol. Creating is NOT making. The only way to create something is to bring it INTO EXISTENCE. Even if you think of it before making it...you didn't create it...because it already existed IN THOUGHT. Now, perhaps humans and other Beings actually do have the power to create to a certain extent. But I'm not sure they do. It is my belief that ONLY THE CREATOR can bring forth into existence that which did not exist before. They Spirit is God or Nature Now you're conflating God with Nature. I believe Nature is a Creation of GOD but they are not the same. Further, when it comes to the Spirit I prefer to think of it along the lines of the ancient Kemites. They believed in the "Ka" which is the Spirit that animated the physical body. They Soul is God limited in/to a body GOD can't be limited, which is why I don't believe that....lol. I believe the human Soul....or what the ancient Kemites call the "Ba" is a Divine Spark from GOD

frankster Lol I can see you have lost track of your own thoughts in this debate.... Not really.... More like losing track of YOUR thoughts because they aren't the easiest to follow...lol. Machines are the equivalent to our bodies and in this case AI would then be Equivalent to our brain. In other words....The AI processes info as does the brain Is AI hardware or software? It's my understanding that AI is not a machine itself but is PRESENTED a system or program that operates IN machines. In humans The Central and Peripheral Nervous System That receives and process info Equivalent to The Electro-digital Software and CPU 2 points: 1. You have it the wrong way, it should be the other way around...lol. The CPU processes information like the human brain....because the human brain existed BEFORE either the EDS or Central Processing Unit. 2. By comparing the Central and Peripheral Nervous System alone - with the CPU and electro-digital software ...... You seem to be comparing the physical alone - with the physical AND non-physical. A better comparison would be comparing the CPU (physical) and electro-digital software (non-physical) - with the brain (physical) and the MIND (non-physical), since the mind operates through the brain like software operates through the Central Processing Unit. Then check out the Nag Hammadi Library and The Tibetan Book of the Dead(Bardo thodol)....two lights one of Higher Consciousness and another that leads to rebirth. I'm familiar with both books but haven't read either in depth. However what you said they contain IS NOT the same as what you mentioned before about the light being a trap. One light leading to higher Consciousness and the other leading to rebirth is NOT the same as one being a "trap". Re-incarnation isn't a trap. It's necessary and often times DESIRED so that the being can EXPERIENCE certain desires not attained in a current or "former" life. If Black people are living a life of slavery and oppression in THIS life and you die, don't you want to see another life where WE are ruling and running the show and living in a better condition before moving on??? Those incarnational experiences add to the general knowledge of the entire Entity. I appreciate the fact that you doing some research on the internet....They did not uncover this info The Knowledge is Ancient....Even Buddhism Hinduism etc speaks of it.....in their tradition it's called Samsara I'll have to do more research before I speak on it. For the record though..... Although Buddhism and Hinduism may contain SOME truth, I don't see them as the "answer" to Spiritual enlightenment. Like the Abrahamic religions...both of these systems were built off of even more ancient knowledge that often got distorted. Hinduism mixes a lot of the ancient Dravidian knowledge with later racist Aryan beliefs and confusion. I do not know if trying to expound on Eternal is some thing your Ready or Willing to Understand and Accept...I will try Give it your best....lol. Eternal is a concept bound up in Time Actually it's the opposite....lol. Eternal is OUT SIDE of time. No beginning and no ending. ....If one escapes the Cycle of Rebirth - One Simultaneous Escapes Time. This assumes a person has the ABILITY to "escape" that which Higher Beings have destined for them to go through. Time is a Fictional Aspect of Physical Reality....do not confuse Time with Growth and Maturity - Time is An Address in Space We only Live in the..... NOW - often referred to as the.....Eternal Present Time exists and isn't fictional. It's simply a measurement of distance in THIS and some other Realities. It is true though, that not all Realities have the concept of time. But when White folks come on with a big grin on their faces and say "time doesn't exist"....that's deceptive. It leads to confusion.