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....to this Ethiopian young man casually discuss with Whites the ethnic differences in his country.

frankster Without Discipline there is no Progress....Only Regression A BALANCE is required. Too much discipline is limiting and leads to stagnation; but as I said before, the preacher's problem has less to do with discipline and more to do with the brainwashing and miseducation him and his community received about what is actually right and wrong. You intend to brainwash to your liking. Some of our people DO need to be brainwashed and programmed, but most need to be taught simply how to think for themselves. The Writer is obviously Saying that all Mankind is One Family.....And All Muslim whether Black White Arab or Non Arab are all Brothers... I understand what was being said. You asked for an example of how racism in the past was built upon skin color and I showed you how it existed in the past as evident by Muhammad's telling his followers not to engage in it. Classism is based on Social Status and Wealth. Look at that word "social status". Social status could be based on many different things, and RACE is just one of them. As I said before, racism IS a type of classism. In a racist society....your RACE or SKIN COLOR is your Class. Casteism is Based on Work and Heredity Actually, "caste" is an English term. The original word in Hindu is VARNA which literally means "color". The original Caste/Varna system in Hindu was literally based on skin color from darkest to lightest, and this is THOUSANDS of years old. I have shown you That Muslim do..Here is what Buddhist say last paragraph page 5 Lol....I didn't ask you for evidence that Muslims do, I asked you for evidence that HINDUS and BUDDHISTS believed in Jesus. "Furthermore, there are some historical writings that state that some Buddhists believed that Jesus Christ was the reincarnate of Buddha." Belief in Jesus is NOT a staple or established part of the Hindu or Buddhist religions. Pointing to a FEW Buddhists or Hindus who mention Jesus doesn't mean it's part of Hindu or Buddhist doctrine. You, there are probably Catholics who believe in Satan.....but that's not established doctrine in Catholicism. Yeah....they translated in their language for their people - but the Original is not theirs. Then who does the "Original" belong to? And where are those people today who have the "Original" Scriptures? Start with your most convincing argument or fact of Greek Roman Ideology that does not line up with African Morality and Ideology? Not sure what you're asking. We cannot experience or observe everything...what of the rest? Nor do you need to. You experience and observe what pertains to YOU and what helps you solve YOUR problems. The rest is to help others....or perhaps yourself later. Who should communicate with you directly?? W/whoever is righteous and wants to, and wants to ensure that T/their message gets to me UNTAMPERED with. I agree We are talking about those who receive the visions etc...they can be control manipulated and discredited. If a person receives a direct Vision FOR THEM....it doesn't matter if others don't believe them or try go "discredit" them because the information they received will help them regardless. Now if they receive a Vision and then are INSTRUCTED to share it with the entire society, then that may be where some problems arise. However, Whoever gave them that vision would hopefully have FORSEEN the problems that may arise from this and planned things accordingly. See, this is why I question many people who CLAIM to speak for God but have problems getting their message out. Because if God wanted THEM to deliver a particular message, it would be delivered period....and there is nothing human beings could do to stop it. If they are being blocked and their message being suppressed, I have to question who actually sent them out. However if YOU have a problem and YOU seek Divine Counsel and receive a Vision or Message to solve that problem....YOU shouldn't worry about whether others believe it or not....as long as it works to solve YOUR problem. Yes but would you believe a stranger? Saying he or she has a message from God It really would depend on the circumstance and the various factors involved. Generally speaking, I believe that God's messages for ME are given DIRECTLY to me from God, not from another human being whom God knows I may question. However that doesn't mean God still wouldn't use a human to deliver a message to me. Worst maybe the one who had the vision don't speak a language you know....you will find yourself in need a translator. I'd have to question if it actually came from God or not because God knows I don't speak his language, so why send him? Even a mere human being knows not to give you important instructions in a language you don't understand. So I'd question if that message was actually meant to me AND I'd question who actually sent it. They individually contain enough Truth...for the lost to find their Way Or enough truth to keep you lost and going in circles. Some of the best lies contain many elements of truth; but while you're consuming the great tasting truth, you're also consuming the poisonous lies along with it. Let's make it easy...... We can put religion to the side and decide what's true or false by the impact and success it has on our lives. If you have a problem and APPLY what you read in that Scripture to that problem....and it solves that problem...IT WORKS. If it doesn't....it DOESN'T work. Plain and simple. No need to go in circles or travel the globe looking for translations and interpretations....either it works or it doesn't.

frankster I accept Scripture and eschew Western Religious Dogma and Ideology... Based on...is not the same I understand that, however Western Religious Dogma and Ideology is the PRODUCE from those Scriptures you accept and believe in. Western Religious Dogma and Ideology is filled with lies and hypocrisy. If those Scriptures produced a dogma and ideology filled with lies and hypocrisy for the West, what do you expect for them to produce for YOU if YOU accept them? You're LITERALLY following the same "script" as them. Do you expect for things to turn out different? Seeking to control and power over others only increase suffering. ....perhaps for some of those you have power and control OVER. But not necessarily for YOU, because YOU'RE the one who has the power and control! Look at it another way..... If you don't seek power and control over THEM; they will seek it over YOU. But SOMEBODY has to be on top and in charge. I'd rather it be my people.

frankster Discipline is His Problem....Delayed Gratification You say "discipline" is his problem, I say HYPOCRISY is. If he would be true to himself and weren't influenced by religion to hide his behavior....he wouldn't need to discipline his behavior. Ofcourse the rest of society he lived in would have to be de-programmed from the same brainwashing HE received; because they too have been conditioned to believe sex with multiple women is wrong also. It matters how they get it.....The Means doesn't always justifies the Ends. Agreed. But even if that got it the "wrong" way, there are various levels of wrong. I don't put a woman who lied and cheated her way to the top of an Insurance Agency to become a millionaire - in the same category as a drug dealer who stole, murdered, and kidnapped his way to being a millionaire. Both did immoral things to get to the top, but one was clearly worse than the other IMO. Vassal States Cannot survive on their own....hence a failed state Babies and little children can't survive on their own....do that mean THEY are failures as humans? Not True....provide your links or evidence Let's start with an excerpt from a sermon said to have been delivered by Prophet Muhammad around 632 AD "This sermon was delivered on the Ninth day of Dhul-Hijjah, 10 A.H. ( 623AD) in the Uranah valley of Mount Arafat in Mecca. It was the occasion of annual rites of Haj. It is also known as the Farewell Pilgrimage................All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good action." https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/articles/thelastsermon.html That was nearly 1500 years ago dealing with color based racism. Racism today is based on skin color and physical features....cannot say the same ever for both casteism or classism Again, Racism is a form OF Classism. Instead of wealthy or sex, RACE is your Class. Name those Living Heroes? I don't know of any humans I'd call my "heroes" outside of my Parents. It tells you the nature of the people and their government....in which The Lives of People of Color are not valued the same as those of whites It also tells you that they were very powerful and sends a message that you should be careful going up against them. That's the message it sends....subconsciously and openly. They show you Jesus speaking out against the Roman Government and then show him suffering and killed for it. BTW...I asked you for proof or strong evidence that Buddhists and Hindus believe in Jesus. So far you haven't produced any. True....But they have more in common than they differ. Not quite sure about that. White folks did not Write the Scriptures of which the bible is composed. If you're going to let them TRANSLATE it and ARRANGE it...you might as well say they wrote it, lol. Hell, after THEY tamper with it....sure can't accept it as pure or original anymore. Africans Considered the ideas contained in the bible authoritative before Europeans did. Sure, some of them. Like worshipping God, respecting your neighbor, not lying or cheating. That's only a FRACTION of what the Bible says and advises one to do though. I could spend a month on the New Testament alone showing you how much of it is Greek/Roman ideology and doesn't line up with Africa morality and ideology. God's Messengers carry His Words....So it is accurate to say they are God's Word True, but we have to FIRST make sure they are actually God's Messengers before we believe in the message. But Mankind is Greedy Selfish and Lying....How do you discern the Truth? You know what's true to YOU because you've either observed and/or experienced it. It's about Communicating directly with US as individuals. When access to these Individual is control and the words of these Individual are manipulated or discredited....then what? No O/one controls or limits access to an Individual from The SUPREME BEING. Absolutely No O/one. If The SUPREME BEING Intends for you to get a Message -you WILL get it no matter what. No chance or possibly of that not happening; neither in actuality nor theoretically. At any rate ...he only translated the bible Some would say that the book is only as valuable as it's translation. A dream or Spiritual visitation DOESN'T NEED a "translation". Unlike man-made "holy" books, it conveys the message meant for you crystal clearly. Most people who have had Spiritual experiences say that the message conveyed to them was so clear and accurate that answers to their questions often came to them before they could even mentally form the question. No...its more like how Ancient Egypt was Black African and now Arabs are claiming it. Either analogy would fit. But my main point is, if it's Greek or Greece...it's probably not Black. As quiet as it's kept....lol....I actually kicked around the idea that the first Romans and Greeks who actually built those buildings and structures were probably Black. I don't have enough evidence to support that though. I KNOW the civilizations that sat on that land before Greece or Rome were Black, so I choose to focus on them. One is thought to be Original or closer to Source and the other is accepted as commentary or further from original.....One is about Truth whilst the other is about mundanity or worldly affairs For theological purposes, you'd like to be pin-point accurate and know which source was the oldest. But from a moral standpoint...does it matter? If we have already established that BOTH have been tampered with and were crafted by the hands of man...neither can be held up as THEE standard. You have people arguing over Dead Sea Scrolls vs Bible and which contains the most mistakes. If EITHER contains mistakes...then does it really matter outside of using them for references? When you look for God's word, you look for PURITY. I don't see that coming from the hands of humans anytime soon.

Lol....didn't you just get through jumping up and down in another thread about people on here not "citing references" to back up their claims? If you're citing references, isn't that a form of RELYING ON SOMEONE ELSE to convince others of your claims?

Indeed it might very well make "one" wonder....but YOU'D be the only "one" wondering, because the rest of us on here know neither Faux News nor Noose Max are any more credible the others you mentioned..

ProfD It doesn't help that Black shills and bootlicks nod their empty heads in approval as the white folks throw shade on us and/or do that what about-ism sh8t. Like we were talking about in the "Black Women Commercials" thread about Black folks doing embarrassing shit for money. How do you stop it? Either the CARROT must be bigger or the STICK harder. We really need that drop squad on several fronts. I bet a couple sessions in a dark ass room with Ving Rhames kissing them good night would straighten they're ass out....lol. White folks want Black folks to speak up on that Israel dust-up. Yeah right. I'm so glad we're on code in that regard. The late Dick Gregory would probably be proud of us. You know what, I didn't notice that until you pointed that out...lol. Black folks are pretty much acting as if that shit doesn't even exist. I see it still makes the headlines on White publications but nowhere on Black websites and channels do you find a discussion on Israel and Gaza today....lol. There IS hope....lots of home...lol. Now if we can get them to stop arguing for Biden AND Trump and just ignore both so we can push our own candidate in 2024 with OUR OWN AGENDA.

Infact, since Troy constantly says I never change my position. Maybe I'll leave it up as an example of how I have....lol.

Every time the right-wing and racists see or hear something that THEY don't like....they start crying about the "fall of civilization" or "fall of Western society". Especially if Black or Brown people are involved. Madonna can come on television all through out the 80s and 90s in thongs and leather outfits, sucking on dildos, masturbating on stage with a crucifix like that girl in the Exorcist....and you barely hear a word about it. But Janet Jackson shows ONE titty on stage and the next morning White Conservatives are on television with long somber faces crying over the "decline of Western civilization". They need all kinds of Congressional Hearings and Investigations over the shit. The FCC comes down with new rules, fines, and penalties. They NEVER acted this way over those (white) Girls Gone Wild videos. They didn't consider THAT the fall of society. When Trump took over the Presidency and started doing executive orders left and right ignoring Congress and the Constitution they didn't consider THAT the fall of society. These hypocrites are a mess and a half.....lol.

ProfD 👍 Since yall have been the most active participants in it......if you, Troy, or frankster disagree with me deleting it....I'll leave it alone. But my position has shifted somewhat on the matter. I still support legalized and regulated Prostitution, but I don't think it's better than being a housewife overall. But there are a lot of variables to consider when comparing both.

Mr Hohmann said: Somebody needs to ask Mr. Hohmann (ho man???) who's any more "globalist" or "elitist" than Donald Trump? If he has a problem with globalism, then he should have had a problem with Trump being in office when he was obviously joined at the hip with another globalist billionaire over there in Russia...lol.

It means he was sincere and coming with his own thoughts. Not some garbage he heard on Fox News or Newsmax

😏 -Nasty man????? What kind of grown man refers to another man as a "nasty man"??????? "Get out my house you.... NASTY NASTY man..."

Man...ALL of that medicine has worn off now. "This nigga is BAT SHIT crazy"......lol.

frankster Is that what you get from it?....if so you are steep deep into western ideology. Lol.... How can you believe in the Bible yet accuse others of being "deep " into Western ideology? Much of Western ideology and most of it's theology is based OUT of the Bible itself. A Slave has no Governance over his Body....He is a Slave to The Body(his or anothers) and its Demands Great point. Yet in still, that scripture seems to encourage one to NOT seek power and control over other people. Now who would benefit the most from promoting that type of teaching? Those in power, or those subordinate to them? More people was and is Being Cured by Traditional medicine than Western medicine. ...First Do no Harm And yet a lot of religious people would claim that Traditional Healers are practicing paganism, witchcraft, and magic and encourage their believers not to seek them for help. When infact, most Traditional Healers are the TRUE good people and righteous ones actually helping and healing the people. Seems like a Conspiracy not a Cure. Which is why our community have been told so many times by our leaders to grow our own food and do for self. Yet so many of our people are so lazy..........

Know what, I think yall may be right... To be honest with you I had doubts about my argument a couple days after posting it. Not sure why I did. Probably just to poke at frankster because of the discussion we were having in the other thread. I support prostitution and the right for women (or men for that matter) to be prostitutes if they want, however I don't think it's more honorable or better than being a good wife and raising children in a good stable home. If there are no objections, I'll probably delete this thread sometime today.

ProfD Show me Black folks anywhere on the planet who are willing to kill white folks. The bruthaz on North Sentinel Island don't seem to have a problem with it.....lol. "Let's groove tonight....................." AfroAmericans are placed in those positions and they are powerless against racism white supremacy. Wasn't a Black man named Keith Ellison the Minnesota Attorney General who prosecuted Derek Chauvin and helped get him locked up?

frankster They Have merely changed on who they depend on.....Now they depend on Many Johns - instead of One Husband But they can pick and choose their Johns as well as each circumstance (for the most part) they engage in. With a house-wife, only one husband controls the entire show. And if HE fails...then SHE fails along with him. Little control over her destiny when she's tied to him. As he in turns depends on her to be his Partner in Life. I wouldn't call it "depending" on her as much as EXPECTING her to fulfill her role. He's IN-dependent. She's the one dependent and depending on him. Yes...When and if business is good. Lol...and when ISN'T it? Prostitutes are Objectified and Stereotyped...suffer from Mental Health Issues on the level of people who survived Combat ....That's way pass being a Police Is it the prostitution causing this trauma, or the STREET LIFE that comes from engaging in otherwise non-violent activities that are illegal? Pimps and Madams call the shots.... they make the money - Prostitutes are Sex Slaves/Prisoners/Traffick/Drug Addicted/Kidnapped. Pimps and Madams MANAGE the prostitutes (who choose to have them)...yes. However the husband MANAGES the housewife. It's a trade of power for "security". I don't consider sex-slaves prostitutes. They are just that....sex SLAVES....as the sex isn't mutually consentual.

Sometimes I wonder which proves to be the biggest threat.....White racism or Black laziness. White racists are powerful. However they aren't "almighty". If they were THAT powerful and absolute in their suppression of AfroAmericans, none would be Congressmen, Mayors, Governors, or even police officers. They'd be essentially powerless. You do have a lot of Black folks in positions of power, but most of them aren't USING that power constructively. I think the laziness and indifference of Negroes in power is almost as big of a threat to our community as the racists themselves.

Stefan Hold up, let me get my robe and slippers............. Since I'm ON your mind so much, might as well make myself comfortable on it......lol.

So my question is, what are Black politicians going to do about it?

frankster No all I did was tell you what you were doing.....edifying. No, I told YOU what I was doing and you misconstrued it. Helping isn't the same as abusing or exploiting. They are are his Indiscipline Carnal Desire...Not his Natural Desire - Not the fault of Scripture. His lack of "discipline" isn't so much of a problem as his LYING. We all lack discipline in certain aspects of our lives, that's part of being human today. But lying about them and being a hypocrite is unnecessary EXCEPT when you live in a society that condemns that which is natural...like sex. It Matters not....Corruption anywhere is still Corruption and because others are corrupt does not mean you should envy and follow them. 1. I'm glad you feel that way because for some reason I got the impression that you thought the U.S. had some sort of "monopoly" on corruption and immorality. 2. Usually people don't follow corrupt people because of their corruption....but for other impressive reasons that make them attractive. Like having wealth, power, respect, talent, etc... Vassal State equals Failed state. 1. Israel is not a vassal state 2. Vassal doesn't mean failed. Not sure where you got either impression from, lol. Yes though we make progress... racism still run the USA and its Military I agree... So we should focus on continuing to make progress and remove the racists where we find them. Then You miss the point....Racism prior to 1500's was more about Kin and Nationality and Religion" THAT wasn't racism..... That was tribalism, xenophobia, and sectarianism. Racism has ALWAYS been about race. Whilst today it is about Physical Features and skin Color It was that way back then too. Caste system would be more Classism than Racism....as when it comes to color of skin all caste having all hues within their ranks Racism IS a form of Classism. Your race is your class. 99% of our Heroes are Dead Not MY Heroes...lol. ....Soldiers purportedly died so you might live(free) - What's your point? It wasn't a point so much as a question..... Again, how can a man who is said to have died for people's sins be an "example" of how to live? An assumed man of color dying at the hands of White people and a White government. What kind of example is that to set? It is standard among them to accept Jesus as a Prophet or Avatar or Messiah Do you have any proof that Buddhists or Hindus accept Jesus as a Prophet or Messiah? Jesus was not a Christian and he also quoted Scripture. The scriptures he allegedly quoted in the Bible isn't the same AS the Bible itself that you quote. Some of them are CONTAINED in the Bible, but they aren't the same. ....Plus most of what I quote is common to Africa and Asians Spirituality. ....in that they are following their COLONIZER'S religions and holy books. If YOU, the AFRICAN, and the ASIAN are all reading from the same Bible that White folks GAVE yall, then ofcourse you'll find commonality....lol. Only because I am Most familiar with it and am in the West where it is considered an Authority/Oracle by many. Ofcourse. Because they consider White folks themselves the "authority" on most matters. Yes...I dare say all were written by human hands - Errors and out right misleading Information and Interpretation are mostly found in those meant for the Consumption of the General Population/Public. Ok. So we can agree that those books are NOT holy and shouldn't be accepted as the "Words of God", right? So let me ask you a hypothetical question:- Where should the Supreme Being put such communique? or How? I'm not qualified to say where The SUPREME BEING "should" put them but where The SUPREME BEING often puts them is in dreams, intuition, flashes of inspiration, direct communication, Spiritual visits, and many many other methods. But they are usually given to the INDIVIDUAL on an intimate level. ...not mass produced by the hands of man, like a book. When a Spirit comes to you directly and gives you information, that carries FAR more rate than the information you get out of some book. King James who was referred to as the Black Boy by his Contemporaries only Translated the Bible I don't think that's true. I've heard that crap being spread by Hebrew Israelites to justify why they're still reading a White man's Bible. They're trying to MAKE King James "Black" even with no evidence of it period. Just go ahead and SAY it and MAKE it true anyway. You Obviously do not know your History...Ancient Greece was a Black Civilization That's not accurate. That's like saying the United States is a Native American nation. Ancient Greece was not a Black civilization. Ancient Greece was an early Caucasian civilization. The civilization that existed where Greece exists today WAS originally a Black civilization. Most of not all of the Early church Fathers were Black That's debatable. The early followers of Yeshua and his disciples were dark skinned Middle Easterners...many of whom would be considered "Black" today. But it should be noted that they didn't see themselves as the same as sub-Saharan Africans. Nor do I believe they called themselves a "church". I think that may be European term beyond the Roman Empire. An automobile is based on a horse drawn carriage...Are they the same? No. But what's the difference between Scripture and scripture? Based on Newton's Third Law of Motion they do...Karma But Newton doesn't MAKE the laws, so he doesn't get to define them....lol. Then what is meant for us Nature and what we sit down, discuss, and decide for ourselves as a community. Infact...that's how much of what you call "scripture" was chosen. When we decided to write laws and rules for Caucasians to follow to clean them up and civilize them, we sat down and discussed and decided which ones would be effective and fitting for them given their nature and condition. Black folks don't need a "script" to follow. We have natural Creativity and Guidance in us as long as we are being OURSELVES and aren't being influenced by Caucasians in our thinking. You don't have to TELL Black men not to lay with their mothers or eat animals who've already died like the Bible does. You have to tell people that who were DOING it....so they could stop.

Don't confuse anger with madness.....lol.

You have 2 branches who work hand in hand: The ADL (Anti Defamation League) And the JDL (Jewish Defense League) The JDL is the militant branch that takes matters to the next level when the ADL simply talking doesn't work.....lol.

ProfD Regardless of laws, both women and men have been using prostitution as a means to an end. Which I think is perfectly FINE as long as it's CONSENTUAL. With so many men and women CONFUSED as hell over what sex they are, men and women screwing eachother for money should be the least of society's concerns. Troy Prostitution weed is basically legal. Both can be easily purchased by anyone marginally motivated. Easily purchased and legal are two separate things. And we must remember that Marijuana is NOT legal. A lot of people are getting locked up right now for possessing it. I think equating a housewife with a hooker is overly simplistic. Some housewives are actually loved by their mates, it is not a purely an exchange for sex and keeping house. You're right. I produced that comparison to make a point. Just because a position is "accepted by society" that doesn't necessarily mean it's the most beneficial for an individual. As many have already mentioned the benefits of being a housewife to a GOOD husband....go to any women's shelter for abused women and ask THEM would they rather get back with their abusive husbands or be a hooker if that were their only choice -and wait for the answer. frankster I do not Agree. Provide your Evidence of this? The evidence is in the statement itself. How could you not logically agree that a prostitute is more independent than a housewife? -A housewife depends on her husband for money and for sustenance. -A prostitute...even one with a pimp or madam...makes her own money and pretty much supports herself. Maybe a lucky few....but a what cost The same question can be asked about a woman who works construction, as a police officer, or late at night at a gas station. Danger is danger. Most if not all of them that are married to Wealthy men.....They greatly outnumber successful Prostitutes The problem with that is, they have to WAIT ON finding a wealthy man....that may not come...in order to be successful. When they are prostitutes, the make their OWN success. That can be said of any profession a woman chooses though. Right is at its Essence based on whether and to what extent it is Life Supporting and Life Giving to the Greatest Number in the Long Run. Not sure if this is correct. An argument can be made that giving and supporting life....in some circumstances...MAY be inappropriate if that quality of life is so horrible that a person would wish they were dead OR they are causing more harm in society than they're worth. Like I said in another thread Right = CORRECT