Pioneer1

Troy How interested are you in what one cockroach thinks about another? If they are near me...VERY. I'm hoping they don't find eachother attractive, mate, and produce more...lol Any civilization with technology sufficiently advanced to come here from perhaps another star system would probably see little difference between us and the few remaining gorillas -- just a lot less hair, more violent, and destructive to the planet. Again, you're making the ASSUMPTION that not only wouldn't they find these hairless violent gorillas interested...but they weren't ALREADY involved in their daily affairs since their origin. You're looking at things from a HUMAN point of view of how YOU think an alien would think. But that may not necessarily be how an ACTUAL alien actually thinks. You simply don't know what they are or aren't interested in until they show it.

Troy I plead the fifth on all those questions...lol I think you're trying to change the topic to distract from the fact that I proved my case quite well. Have you ever admitted I was correct after initially labeling my position wrong?

Troy However it is pretty common knowledge that the present day bible has origins in Ancient Africa. I'm not sure if I'd call it "knowledge" because I don't believe it's a fact; however it's a common BELIEF among a lot of Black Christians that the Bible has origins in Africa. Much of this is wishful thinking on their part. An attempt to justify their dedication to the Bible and Christianity -both of which are clearly of European origin based on my research. I think what @Chevdove was asserting is that the Bible itself is of African and not Caucasian origin, which I'm sure you know... right? No, I did NOT know that..lol. I thought the Bible was put together by the Greeks and translated into several other European languages like Latin and English. Which African language or nation was the Bible written in? And which African language does the very word "Bible" come from?

Troy Those are nice talking points, many of which I agree with. But at the end of the day...you asked me for evidence of this contradiction and I GAVE it to you from the horse's mouth. They don't even agree with eachother over the best procedure to stay safe. So how can the public? If DEFENDING their contradictions is your way of ACKNOWLEDGING that they made them....then I'll take this as you agreeing with me.

Troy all of what you wrote assumes that aliens would be concerned with something as mundane as "race" relations between the animals running around on this planet. But THAT would assume that aliens would find our race relations mundane, lol. It could be that aliens are HIGHLY interested in racial and ethnic groups on the planet. According to the Bible, wasn't the Lord highly interested in the Israelites and their interactions with other ethnic groups??

I'm well aware of Dr. ben-Jochanan and his work. What exactly in the book proves our sister's point? Western civilization ITSELF has it's origins in Africa....doesn't mean Western civilization IS African.

Troy -I tell you that they are putting out CONTRADICTING and CONFLICTING information. -You ask me for examples of this. -I show them to you -Then you accuse me of "cherry picking" the information that supports my argument instead of recognizing that if they weren't putting out CONTRADICTING information in the first place I wouldn't be able to use their own info against them. There is nothing "nuanced" about telling vaccinated people that they are now safe and don't have to wear a mask or practice social distancing. It's a plain clear statement. In light of the Delta surge NOW they're realizing how erroneous that decision was. Even the former Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams said they made a mistake telling people they could remove their masks.

Troy Once I was in a room with 3 other people (a group project back in B-School). I said something to the group, that as soon as the words left my mouth I was like, "What did you say that for?!" Everyone just looked at me like I had two heads, decades later I still have no idea way I uttered the words. It was one of those thoughts that crosses one's mind that one knows to keep to themselves. Do you remember what you actually said? I ask because many people...including myself...seem to have this memory of being in a class room and saying something that drew attention to ourselves but don't quite remember the setting or what we said. But the memory is strong.

Troy Lol, I got it from THEIR OWN website! The CDC has been telling vaccinated people for months now that it's ok for them to go in public without masks except where it's locally restricted. All the while many of these maskless people are not only contracting but spreading the Delta variant around the nation.

Del How is my following your orders, proof of my intelligence. Questions aren't orders. Answering questions isn't the same as following orders. Plus why do you think I care about your opinion of me. Because you said: Your BELIEF that I was insensitive to your feelings seems to have affected your response (or lack there of) to my question, as well as influenced our further dialog. Obviously you care more about my opinion of you than you wish to admit.

Troy If you have no idea why he was stopped, then you shouldn't be so quick to critique the idea that RACISM may indeed be a factor. especially since Del suggests that was not the motivation. Regardless as to what they may have talked about, how would Del know the TRUE motivation of those Caucasian officers stopping stopped him? ....as if racists have a habit of ADMITTING that racism is the motive behind their actions, lol

Re-naming the Edmond Pettus Bridge is actually a pretty good idea. I'm surprised they didn't do that now that you mentioned it.

Troy Again, this is why you will not -- indeed can not -- entertain the idea that a white policemen in Switzerland may have pulled Del over for a reason other than his race. ((throws up hands and sighs)) ...ok Troy, then you tell ME why they might have stopped him. If you don't (and apparently neither does Del) think that RACE was a factor, then why DID they decide to stop him? ...man.

Delano I have studied Astrology and Tarot, but I have also studied logic. I also have a rule I don't argue with people who can't think abstractly or who lack empathy. None of this applies to me, so why mention it? I have stated what made me feel free and you are attempting to negate my statement. In this and other comments you lack a sense of proportion, or you seem oblivious as to how your words or actions would effect someone. Each conversation and situation is different. In this case, my question was designed to: 1. Receive and answer (which I have yet to receive from you) 2. Encourage you to consider WHY the cops may have stopped you in the first place. However if getting you to think more pragmatically seems like a cruel and heartless thing to you, that is not my intention. Perhaps I should leave you to continue in your state of felicity. You can not conceive or even entertain the possibility of the that I may know more than you about anything. ......and your inability to answer a simple question hasn't helped with this, lol. If you want to show me how smart you are, start answering some questions.

Couldn't most of these death have easily been prevented with common sense measures like reponsible behavior on the part of the citizens AND responsible guidelines on the part of government? People can blame the public all they want for not following the rules, but when the CDC tells people to take their masks off because it's no longer necessary...in the MIDDLE of a Pandemic with a variant that is much more worse and deadly than the original virus....that seems irresponsible to me. Perhaps it reasons like THIS, that so many people believe in conspiracies and don't trust those in authority.

Who...exactly...is the "primitive" and who is the "modern"? Can we have some examples please?

Del Yet it does appear that I knew how you would respond. That's a reach. Your simple refusal to answer my question is not proof or even evidence that you knew what my statement was going to be in advance. The fact is.,...you've refused to answer questions with me and others before, so it's simply a HABIT on your part. Yet it took you two days to arrive at the same conclusion. You have to see for yourself. 1. Wrong. I "arrived at this conclusion" many many years before this conversation. 2. For a man who claims he's not interested in influencing or changing minds...my conclusions should be irrelevant to him, lol Yes and your statement shows you had already made up your mind. Therefore you have preempted any possible exchange of ideas. An exchange relies on atleast TWO parties to participate. If I ask you a question, and you refuse to answer it then YOU are the one who "pre-empted" the exchange of ideas. This is not a new dynamic however my response or lack thereof is new. No it's not new. As me and Troy have said, you have refused to answer questions directed toward you before. You actually have a reputation for it, lol. Troy Was my presumption incorrect? Yes, because I never said nor do I believe that Black people are universally mistreated. You won't be able to find any quotes of me saying such. Are you willing to explore the possibility that there are white people — entire even — who don’t have the characteristics you’ve described and can treat Black men with respect? Or is Del’s prescription correct? Great questions, however they are irrelevant to the immediate issue and focus...which is the motive behind Delano's refusal to answer my simple question.

May our brother John Lewis rest in peace. I wasn't the biggest fan of John Lewis because I didn't care too much for his strategy; however I think this is a good thing of that ship being named after him.

Troy Following statement and countless others. Do you understand the difference between a mere statement and a QUESTION? I asked a QUESTION And obviously it wasn't a rhetorical QUESTION because I have made it clear that I wanted an answer. the presumption here was -ok, now wait a minute, lol Are you seriously going to take my QUESTION and project on to it what you PRESUME I'm implying by asking it? Well...I feel for the next brother who asks you what time it is. You're liable to PRESUME that his innocent request for the current time has some ulterior motive and then proceed to attack him for it! I merely asked Del a question....which he has yet to answer. Nothing more, nothing less. You really shouldn't let your imagination carry you to these far reaches...lol.

Del Then it doesn't matter whether I respond. What you fail to realise is that my response was in line with this comment before you made it. You didn't know I felt this way until I made the statement which was nearly 2 days AFTER you refused to answer my question; so what was your initial excuse for not answering? Troy Anecdotally, it seems an increasing number of people dogs today — often 2 or 3. Man’s best friend seems to take the place of human friendships for many people and I’m talking about Black people. An increasing number of Blk people speak English, Spanish, and French also...does that mean Blk people naturally spoke those languages? Those behaviors...like the fondness for and cuddling of dogs....are products of colonialism and globalism and were INTRODUCED to them from Caucasians who engaged in those behaviors by nature. You know Del is right about that one. Based upon your response Pioneer, there is nothing Del could have written to change your mind. However 2 points you should keep in mind: 1. Del didn't know I felt this way until 2 days AFTER refusing to answer my question. So my response couldn't have been the reason for his initial refusal to answer. 2. For months if not years Del has been saying that he's no longer interested in changing people's minds but dialog simply for the exchange of ideas. You and I have read him saying this. So whether or not his response would "change my mind" should be irrelevant to him. He should simply answer the question as a mutual exchange of ideas. It is interesting that you have no problem formulating an opinion about a place you have never been, but will reject an opposing opinion from someone who has been there. What opinions have I formed OR rejected about this place? I simply asked Del a question...not about Switzerland...but about the officers who contacted him. A question he has YET to answer.

Nor does it help when so-called scientific experts routinely contradict themselves. They announce that it's now safe for people to take off their masks and stop taking precautions.....then wonder why the virus is surging again.

Troy Both of those are cultural characteristics and can easily be applied to people of all so called races. Yes they are cultural characteristics but very very few other ethnic groups of color have a history of dairy consumption (especially after 30) or fondness of dogs in their homes like Caucasians ethnic groups. You can't find documents on it.

Troy There are no behavioral characteristics that you can apply to Caucasians universally that are not also true for all humans. I'll give you two right off the bat.......... On average, they consume a lot more dairy products than other ethnic groups of color. On average, they tend to be more affectionate towards dogs than other ethnic groups of color.

Since when did Conspiracy Theory become a "right wing" thing? For the past several years now and especially the past several months, the mainstream media has been conflating those who believe in conspiracies and those who question the "official" version of things with Trump Supporter and right-winger. It seems as if they are trying to make both camps synonymous. Even when it comes to the vax. They seem to be ignoring the millions of Blk people who are suspicious of the vax and suggest that the ONLY people who are rejecting it are Trump supporters. Minister Farrakhan and many others have warned Blk America about conspiracies for decades going back into the 60s, yet the media will ignore them and focus on a handful of MAGA hat wearing rednecks and call them the "truthers".

Troy I've been dealing with Delano for nearly 10 years, if you think I don't know him and his "finicky" ways by now......lol What if I told you that when he didn't answer my question the FIRST time I asked him, I knew he wasn't gonna answer it no matter how many more times I asked? I just wanted to see how far he would go with his finicky behavior. it might be hard for you to wrap your brain around the fact that there may be a place on Earth where Black men are not troubled simply for being Black. That's not hard to understand. I'm sure there are many places on the planet where Black men aren't troubled for being Black. However I DO find it hard to believe that Switzerland is one of those places because Caucasians are Caucasians all over the planet and tend to have the same nature regardless of region. Does a dog or cat who is a carnivore in Canada all of a sudden STOP being a carnivore and become a vegetarian in Russia? I can't always believe with all Black men say about an area because some men think if they can have sex with a White woman in a particular place without getting harassed for it...as far as they're concerned NO racism exists there, lol. I have to go to a place myself and make my own value judgement based on my own personal observations before I declare a place "cool".