Pioneer1

richardmurray I have a question, for clarity. Are you saying the Black American community in the USA needs to 1) make our own laws 2) enforce said laws ourselves? Emphatically YES to both questions! If the answer to the prior question is yes. I ask cause isn't that a very challenging goal? Very. But not impossible. The biggest challenge is MENTAL....having the DESIRE to actually take the responsibility to do it for ourselves. Too many of our people would rather let White folks handle those type of responsibilities while we spend time bullshitting and having a "good time". The USA has many non Black people. nothing is impossible but your goal is quite the challenge , i must admit. It would had been better if more black people adopted the exoduster movement in the past for your stated goal. That wouldn't be very feasible for two reasons: 1. It wouldn't' be wise to give up the land and status we DO have in the United States to go somewhere and start from scrach with basically nothing. 2. Go where? Most of the land outside of the United States is occupied. Claimed already. Go somewhere and likely you're just going to be a second class citizen in another nation. And unlike here....they'll have NO PROBLEM letting you know you're second teir. What you state Pioneer has been the strategy by the majority of black leaders since frederick douglass in the usa. In the end, I argue what you call the next best thing has been and is the primary thing for black people in the usa, rightly or wrongly. True. But who's fault is that? The Black leaders did their job by TELLING the people what to do....do the people DO it? Do they even TRY it? The Black leaders say infiltrate and integrate the power structure of the U.S. to make things better for our people. But the masses don't even TRY to do this. I mean, some do...most don't. That's why it hasn't worked. If the masses had actually FOLLOWED the advice and instructions of the leaders instead of just listening to them and them leaving the meeting only to go to Popeye's chicken and the liquor store forgetting 90% of what was said at the rally....we'd be in a much better off position. The brother went to a Black Power meeting where a Black leader spent 2 hours lecturing on the importance of Black unity and love of self and the community......only to go to Popeye's chicken after the meeting and end up shooting another Black man at the drive-thru because he looked at his woman. This ain't the fault of the Black leader....it's THAT fool's fault for not taking the message he was given to heart. There's only so much you can do with a jacked up brain.

Ain't Yall Whaddup Yo Double Negatives ( like "Ain't Nobobdy") These words have been called "slang" and "improper English" for decades and they have been marginalized from what is considered standard or correct English. Well, perhaps it's time for this to change. Perhaps it's time that the words we commonly use but are considered "Black English" become part of Standard American English! Who made the decision to keep them out anyway? Most of us use the words "ain't" and "yall", so why the hell AIN'T they considered standard or correct??? Typical American English wasn't considered correct and STILL isn't considered correct compared to the English of Britain. It was called "broken English"; but as it evolved into what we have in the U.S. today it became our standard. Most contractions (like here's and that'll) are simply slang words that became standardized over time because most of the population used them to much. If broken White American English can be standardized, so can OUR dialect of English It's all a matter or respect who WHO'S dialects and versions we choose to respect and honor and who's we choose to disregard and hold contempt for.

Cynique ain't yawning. That's her way of letting you know she's ready for another round of cream puffs.....LOL

richardmurray I guess my section of harlem growing up as a child was different. but in defense the black community of harlem in manhattan is significantly older than a number of black communities in nyc, especially queens or brooklyn, or in other major cities Yes, the Black cultural experience in Harlem goes back far deeper than it does in both Brooklyn and Queens and even the Bronx. You have more of a multi-generational FBA culture that stretches back into the 1910s and 20s. Much of the Black populations that settled in other parts of NYC are actually foreign....from Africa and the Caribbean where as Harlem is strongly FBA. The only foreign influence that goes back several generations in Harlem of any significance is the Puerto Rican presence. I never ate by candlelight as a child. That means you never had your power cut off....lol. I went down south many times, but no one waved us away. LOL.... And I never watched soul train till teenage. What??? How old are you?

😏 -Asking yourself a question, is like a broke person asking themselves for a loan.

Stefan What you are ticked off at is that I used calm reasoning to make my points. I also posted links. Few do that in these discussion forums. But some make silly statements such as Pioneer1's claim that the balloon actually belonged to the U.S. because it was operating through the Chinese to spy on its own citizens. Fanciful theory. I think he was trying more to be funny than real. No. I proposed it as a serious possibility for us to consider. But seeing as how you don't believe in conspiracies, I can understand how you couldn't possibly wrap your head around the idea that our own government could or would do that to it's citizens. ProfD I'm also more laid-back than a dead fly in real life too until... Lol....until WHAT?????

So we SHOULD expect to see massive protests with HUNDREDS of thousands of Black folks in both Austin and Tallahassee demanding the resignation of both of these racist governors. Right? That's what would happen if AfroAmericans collectively had GOOD SENSE. Unfortunately most Black folks in both of those states don't give a damn about the academic curriculum or anything else involved in politics and racial issues. Most of them are so busy wrapped up in their own personal drama that they are as far removed from this issue as any White person and could care less about it. Infact, unfortunately a larger percentage are only concerned with getting high and having a good time....until. It's simply OVER for a lot of our people. Those of us who are righteous and intelligent....those of our people who can be saved....must SEPARATE ourselves and form our own communities and let whatever may...COME...to the masses.

Well, I don't think he's the most eloquent speaker in the world....but I have to admit the brother is sharp and right there when trouble breaks out. I know a lot of Black leaders do NOT like him and call him "mush mouth", an ambulance chaser, a poverty pimp, etc.... But I tell them, if YOU don't like the way Ben Crump is handling these cases of law enforcement abuse and police brutality....then YOU become a lawyer and go out there and show us how it's done instead of sitting back heckling the brother. I think a lot of the dislike of Ben Crump is personal. He's not a very eloquent speaker and not the best looking brother in the world, so they're more focused on the package than the content. The brother is a freedom fighter and I'm proud of him. I personally think there should have been SEVERAL law schools named after the late great Johnny Cochran (Rest in power) But that doesn't take away from the great work that our brother Ben Crump is doing right now. Not to mention, Ben Crump has probably made more Black families MILLIONAIRES while at the same time fighting for justice than a lot of other Black leaders have done in recent history.

So many deep points being made.....I'm gonna have to sit back and analyze this thread....lol.

Delano I'll answer your question when you answer mine: How do you feel about YOUR mother getting wet and sliding up and down on a man's hard penis until he busts all up inside of her? Troy Delano's question for me isn't one based on logic and intellect but one based on emotion. Making any subject personal will emotionally charge it to the point that reason, logic, and even fairness take a back seat for most people. Me: I support the fact that we have prisons and jails to lock up bad people and protect general society from them. Delano: So you're saying you would support YOUR brother being locked up in prison for life???? According to Delano's way of thinking...if we wouldn't want OUR OWN family members locked up in jail then we shouldn't support the idea of jails and prisons period.

richard murray Law enforcement is just that LAW enforcement. These are people who are authorized and equipped to enforce the rules, laws, and policies set forth by high powers both inside and outside of the government. Some of the policies and rules we know about....others we don't. If we really want to change the practices of law enforcement then we need to do 2 things: 1. Make OUR OWN laws 2. Enforcement OURSELVES with our own specially trained enforcers. Until we stop relying on White folks to do everything for us including make the policies and govern us....and take the initiative to feed, clothe, and govern ourselves....the problem will continue. The next best thing is to join the existing law enforcement agencies and try to rise as high as we can through the ranks so that we'll have some sort of power and influence over their behavior and policies. ProfD The masses have been anesthetized and neutered by that social conditioning. Not to mention all of this fake ass "weed" they've been flooding society with. Both legal and illegal....over half of the Black population is smoking this shit. Most of the young people are. And they're addicted to it now. You can't even have a conversation with some of them. They don't care about mass incarceration, racism, police brutality, or anything else. The entire subject will revolve around getting high and the best weed to buy from the best spots.

But unfortunately for you.....😪.....you're both. Cynique I believe you WOULD take one of those anytime any day. I've seen some of your pictures...lol. "Hold up Delany baby... Where you goin'... Wait for me!!!!" 🥴

🤣 What an AMAZING feat! After such an accomplishment......for that reason ALONE she should stay. Rodney campbell Historically. Those higher powers have left humanity text. Instructions, tradition, and culture as the method to not mistake things for random. These designs from higher powers were convoluted by bad people and made into esoteric. The esoteric became cults. The cults became religions. In order to maintain the esoteric the religions used lies and misdirection and are overall negative and useless. Pretty good break down in the DE-volution of spiritual sciences.

Anyone think that Green Comet may have had anything to do with that major Earthquake in Turkey/Syria?

Facts. That's why you have Chinese and other cultures starting to align and celebrate their New Years and other holidays along with America's and the West. The Jewish Calendar is supposed to be different but they manage to line up the Passover and Hannukah seasons up with the Western Christian seasons of Christmas and Easter every year. It they were still following their own calendar then the dates would change....like Ramadan for the Muslims.

Stefan I pissed off people to the point many roundly disliked me. But I didn't care. I don't think you'd have trouble convincing ANYONE on here that you managed to accomplish that....LOL.

1. They didn't have to shot him at all. They could have repeatedly tased him into submission or used CO gas on him until he was so incapacitated he posed no threat....then use their batons to knock the knife out of his hand. 2. If they DID shoot him, they didn't have to shot him so many times. They could have just shot him once and probably in the arm he had the knife in. But the policy to kill serves 2 purposes: -It's part of an overall plan for population reduction so killing a "criminal" is one less person to feed and take care of in the penal institution. -Killing him prevents him from telling HIS side of the story.

Stefan Uh...because they're REAL. They actually exist. That's why. And you'd be a naive idiot to believe that people don't plot and plan to get together and harm others. Ever heard of Slavery? Ever heard of Jim Crow? Ever heard of Sundown Towns? What the hell do you think THEY were if not a result of Conspiracies??? And exactly how do YOU know they're not true? Have you done research on and investigated them to confirm that they're not? I guess you know and monitor all the activities of White folks to know exactly what they're doing all the time to KNOW that they don't conspire together to harm people of color. How else would you be so sure and confidence that the above mentioned "Conspiracy Theories" simply aren't true and absolutely impossible...lol.

richardmurray I'm not exactly sure why so many other people loved Crooklyn but I loved it because it got my on a deep level for so many reasons, as most of Spike Lee's movies do. -Opening scenes of a block filled with Black kids out playing and doing their thang, immediate brought back nostalgic images from my childhood. -The family going down South for vacation reminded me of my own childhood and that of others in my neighborhood. -The family sitting around by candle light eating dinner after the power was cut. Come on, if you grew up in the hood you CAN relate to that...lol -How the neighbors would watch your home while you were away on vacation reminds me of how they used to do when I was a kid. I don't recall anyone else putting that in a film or even on television -There was a scene I'd never forget how when the family was leaving to go down South everybody on the block was waving them good bye as they were driving off. That's EXACTLY what they used to do on our block when a family would take a trip out of town. Everybody outside who saw you pull off would wave and bid you a good trip with love and smiles and promised to watch your house while yall were gone. -How the little girl was hallucinating about her mother still being alive when she woke up and heard her father cleaning the stove. Something most children who lost a parent can relate to. -I can't forget all of the sisters, brothers, and cousins crowded together in a little room watching Soul Train. Reminded me of my family every time we went over relatives houses...lol. Spike Lee is a GIFTED Filmmaker...no doubt. The brother has a way of taking AfroAmerican life and history and reality of AfroAmerican life and experience and presenting it on the big screen in a way that nobody had done before him.

I told you there was some sort of intelligent being or Being behind it running the show. So many Black folks just LOVE to eat up whatever White folks sit down on a plate before them. Don't even know what the hell they're eating, but if White folks present it to them....they gobble it down and think about the consequences later. Now just think about that term itself: Artificial Intelligence. That name ALONE should make you ask questions about what the hell it is and why are "they" trying so hard to push it on the world.

Let's start with the fact the they are two different sets of words....lol. The term "not absolutely" can be reconciled with "various degrees of" as they may overlap eachother from time to time however they aren't NECESSARILY the same because one term is often more appropriate than the other when describing a subject. Let's take liquor for example: Everclear is a type of liquor that is almost 100% alcohol but "not absolutely". It's actually about 95% alcohol. Beer and wine on the other hand contains "various degrees" of alcohol. To say that beer or wine is "not absolutely" alcohol is true, but it can be seen as misleading to some because the alcohol content is so low it doesn't even come close.

@Dee Miller Dee Miller 🥴Not sure why that poster up there is being so obnoxious and insulting but...... I too thank you for your input in this otherwise civil discussion!!

That's why I draw a distinction between FREEDOM and LIBERTY. Nobody on this planet is absolutely free, but we do enjoy various degrees of liberty based on environmental conditions.

Dee Miller @Pioneer1 you have my head spinning, yo Lol...it might be my cologne. Excellent observations......... Show Proof (sufficient enough (who determines this) to establish that a thing is true, or produce belief in its truth). Is this then, Proof? hmmmm. Under ONE definition of "proof"....it's quite simple. Whoever you're trying to prove an incident TO is the one who determines what constitutes "proof". If they accept it...it's proof, to them atleast. Thus, proof and evidence can result in false positives. Not sure your what you mean. Maybe you can flesh that statement out a little more. If it's related to your statement about statistics and crime, keep in mind that statistics are just numbers and figures on a sheet or on the screen. They may or may not necessarily be true or accurate. Let us remember that statistics aren't necessarily "evidence". Evidence are FACTS. Things that are actually true. Statistics are just a bunch of numbers and figures and other information on a sheet or on a screen that can EASILY be manipulated or falsified, so it doesn't necessarily count as evidence. Only statistics (or any other documentation for that matter) that have been VERIFIED AS TRUE can count as evidence.