Report THE SPIRIT OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING/ in Culture, Race & Economy Posted January 26, 2013 Troy Pioneer I have no idea what to say to you. This was the same twisted justification racists used to lynch Black men who were viewed as genetically unable to control themselves when it came to white women. No, this isn't "twisted justifications", this is scientific TRUTH. The average Black man is more sexually potent than the average White man and science backs this up. Now how some White men choose to handle that knowledge is a different argument all together. Pioneer can't you see why this is illogical?! If Barack Obama (Black by American standards) has a higher testosterone level than another person who Americans may consider White; what does that mean? The so called white person could actually have more Black ancestry than Obama, but they are "passing" as so many Blacks have done and are doing. What does that mean???? It means you're proving my point....lol. Let's look at your example.......... 1. Barak Obama: half Black and half White Compared with 2. So-called White person: only trace amounts of Black ancestry but not enough to show up in his pheontype If Mr Obama has more testosterone than person #2 then that just further proves my point that men of African descent on average have more testosterone than White men by the fact that even one who is HALF Black has more testosterone than one who only has trace amounts. Keep in mind we're talking about AVERAGES. There are plenty of White men who have more testosterone than many Black men but that's not the norm. When I asked"Do you see promoting Black male sexuality and masculinity as offensive and stereotypical?" You said: "Yes". Well see that's the problem right there! I suspected this by your reluctance to accept what most people with basic observation skills and have spent time around both Black and White men in America regulary knows. Like many Black people who mean well, you are more worried about what White society thinks about Black males and how society sees Black males than you are of determining that actual facts and making them work for us. I don't ascribe to Western society's deviant sense of senuality and sexuality. To me, being highly sexual isn't shameful, offensive, or embarrassing but it's something I think a man should be PROUD of. When we had our own socities, we didn't have sexual hangups that made us ashamed of ourselves. White people TAUGHT Black people to be ashamed of and insecure about their sexuality. Pioneer do you realize how racist you sound? I thought I was racist, but you got me beat me by a long shot. But I understand I don't think I sound racist, I sound like a man who thinks for himself and doesn't let fear of how others MAY perceive me govern my selfworth or behavior. I use my own mind to establish my ethics and standards and I don't let the confused perspective and views of others who don't have my best interests in mind sway me. Perhaps you should re-examine your position and reasoning for finding the image of hyper Black masculinity offensive. I mean sit down and really examine it and question whether it's such a bad thing outside of the context of what some White males or others may think. After doing this outside of the context of what other's may think, you just might arrive at the same conclusions that I have. Cynique What inspires me about your latest retort, Pioneer, is the realization that, where you are concerned, there is the world as it actually exists, and then there's "the world according to Pioneer" - a little universe where anecdotal evidence and personal impresssions and wishful thinking are the rule. It's like you've sat down and mulled things over and decided that this is the way it is, and everybody else just doesn't "get it". What you don't understand is that there are other people who are just as adept at putting their spin on things.( And, ni-t picking spectator that I am, I do have to question the observation powers of a man who goes through life never noticing the correct spelling of a simple everyday word; it's "their" not thier", and while I'm at it , it's "definitely" not 'definately") Perhaps you're better off dwelling on my spelling, because a few misspelt words are about the ONLY thing you've ever been able to really prove me wrong on.....lol. Hey...;I can't come to MY conclusions through YOUR experiences. I can only draw conclusions from my own observations and experiences. I hope God blesses me to live as long and longer than you, but the fact is even if we saw and went through the exact same things we would still see things differently because men and women simply think differently. Like I said, rather than trying to force men to see things YOUR way, perhaps men and women should just respect eachother's differences. It seems to me, Pioneer, that you have drawn your conclusions from your personal encounters, and you focus on vulnerable woman who are easy to manipulate. You tend to romanticize and dramatize scenarios where men are in control. You probably steer clear of super bitch femme fatales who are just as good at running games as men are. Obviously I draw my conclusiong from my personal encounters, which is what MOST people with common sense who don't live in a fantasy world do. As far as avoiding "super bitch femme fatales".....damn right, lol. I like ladies.....not "he-shes" who have more testosterone pumping through their veins than I do. A wise man will seek a mate who will compliment him, encourage him, and bring out the best in him; not challenge his masculinity and try to tear him down at every turn. I have an organization to run and other things on my plate.....I don't have time to play emotional games and I don't surround myself with women who play them. One thing I have noticed about your posts in this thread. When you talk about women you talk about "women" in general; but when you talk about the bad and dishonorable behavior of men you specify "Black men". I'm not accusing you of this, but I've noticed that many women of color (not just Black) will submit themselves TO and tolerate things FROM White men that they'd never accept from men of color. The only "men" they see as being real men are White men therefor any other race of men who attempt to establish themselves in a position of masculine authority are often challenged. As quiet as it's kept, this subconscious contempt for Black male authority is the MAJOR cause of disharmony and instability in most Black families and even some Black organizations.