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I haven't been following it much either...and I'm less than 100 miles away. Me and some other foreward thinking Black folks have tried to get sommething going up there, I guess they weren't too crazy about other Black folks from outside the city helping them. Too many of the residents wanted to snuggle up to White philanthropists and opportunists who started targeting the city. The same negroes who loved putting their trust in the hands of White so-called "liberals" who they thought came in to help them and give them some money are now losing their homes and as a result. Many of them who wouldn't open their doors to US, are in jail because they opened their doors to White folks who were walking around the city but were really law enforcement officers who disguised themselves as red cross aid in order to serve warrants. I saw this thread and I thought it was about that shit Steve Harvey said. Somebody from Flint called up on Steve's show and said something salty about Cleveland and Lebron not winning the play offs and Steve made fun of the lead being in the water and told my man to enjoy a nice glass of that dirty brown water. http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/apologies-demanded-steve-harvey-flint-comment-48085744 I couldn't believe somebody as smart as him (he acts silly for entertainment but he has to be pretty damn smart to get where he's at) would say some callous not to mention dumb shit like that. Even if he were THINKING it, he should have known how scandalous it would look to the public for him to say it. And he's a Black man too?? How can you sit up and look at Black people....especially Black children....who suffered from this and sit up and make jokes about it? Some Black entertainers seem to be so juvenile at times....... I remember Damon Wayans used to make fun of handicapped people. He did it during his stand-up routine and then started doing it on a regular basis on In Living Color. Damon is very talented, but he should have gotten his ass beat...by other Black folks....for doing that, for real. Offensive behavior has to be nipped in the bud before little children catch on to it and think it's ok and normal to do....and you do that by CHECKING adults who dare to do it! I'm sure Steve only said it out of impulse because he felt so strong for his city that he wanted to hit the caller back where he figured it would hurt.....but Black are often TOO impulsive. You get to the point where you're so impulsive and want to strike back so quick that you don't even THINK about your actions and their consequences. The mayor is asking for an apology from him.....and will probably get it. But thats just the least of his worries. That dumb joke may very well end up costing Steve MILLIONS of dollars. Either in having to give it in a large donation to the victims of the water toxicity, OR end up costing him in adverstising and other sales if he ends up having his shit boycotted in protest. Troy Yeah, I'm already hearing talk about another trial for Cosby. I thought you weren't allowed to be tried twice for the same crime. I thought it was called Double Jeopardy.

As far as finding and marrying "good" Black men and women- I don't have much to say about this subject because I've never been too crazy about relationships. I can count on one hand the number of long term relationships I've been in. Not trying to sound callous, but I was more of a "hit it and go" type of brother who got bored if I was stuck with the same woman and her alone for more than 2 months....lol. Some people are just not meant to be in relationships, and as a society we have to simply make room for those type of people. When you try to force them to get married or even encourage them to do so you're only making more unnecessary problems because then you force them to be "fake" just to try and get along and do what everyone else is doing even if it's unnatural to them. I'm happy that I recognized about myself early on before getting married that I WASN'T meant to play the "family guy" game and avoided such....although some people considered it selfish and irresponsible. Even in most professional circles like being a doctor, lawyer, or professor...it's almost REQUIRED that you be married to be seen as "respectable" and mature. 　 　 Troy I was not trying to start anything other than thought and conversation. It was just that the way Christal described the situation with trying to obtain a relationship with Black men hit me in much the same way the reaction to our perception of Time Magazine's photo of Viola hit me--unexpected and intense. You know what? I'm beginning to believe that the entire concept of there not being enough "good" Black men to go around was some sort of meme or mental virus that was started back in the 80s and now a lot of women are using it as an excuse to cover for their failed relationships. Cynique I don't know that black men have earned the right to judge how black women decide to have themselves portrayed. Should the right to constructively criticize our women out of love be EARNED? Or should it be an UNALIENABLE right that doesn't have to be earned any more than we have to earn the right to protect or marry our women? Delano Mel my big thing was I don't control you and you don't control me. A lot ofWomen not just Black Women can't manage that very well. This is because just like there is no such thing as a relationship where there are 2 independant people, there is no such thing as a relationship where no one is controling the other. Anytime 2 human beings spend a meaningful amount of time with eachother and exchange energies...SOMEBODY has the upperhand even if only slightly and unknowingly. My mother asked me why i don't date more black women. A few years later it became how come you don't date American women. Lol..... If I found out MY son was hanging out at ballet theaters, I wouldn't give a damn WHAT type of woman he was dating....as long as he was dating WOMEN! Mel Marriage is quite unnatural but is a great experiment Ofcourse the institution of marriage as practiced in the WEST is unnatural...especially for Black people. It wasn't designed BY us or FOR us. Most of the problems Black people in the United States have with marriage....as with many of their other problems like drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, ect....comes from IMITATING WHITE PEOPLE. If we'd just stop trying to imitate them and do our own thang, we'd realize we have far more in common with eachother NATURALLY and most of what we THINK are dysfunctions would simply melt away into harmony. We.....Black people....TAUGHT WHITE PEOPLE how to get married. But we gave them a very simplified form (monogamous) with a simplified family structure (nuclear) that was designed for their simplistic linear mindset; but our traditional indigenous marriage systems that we had before being forced to abandon them were FAR more complex but they worked for us.

Some things should just be left alone. I too think it's pretty suspect that all of a sudden all of these women want to come out together and claim rape and sexual assault. However......... Rape and sexual assult are bad things and I can't defend men who commit crimes like these. Plus, it's my understanding that his claim isn't that he didn't have sex with these women.....but that it was consentual....which makes him an adulterer. So now we're gonna stand up and defend an admitted adulterer and claim he's a victim of racial targetting? Black people really need to learn how to pick their battles WISELY. Dr. Martin Luther King (who was also accused but not proven of adultery) when he was just starting out as an activist preacher down in Alabama had an opportunity to launch the Montgomery Boycott earlier than he did. Apparently there was a young lady who refused to sit down at the back of the bus way before Rosa Parks decided to take a stand, but this young lady was said to have been a teenager with an out of wedlock child. Dr. King realized how bad it would have looked publicly to rally an entire racial civil rights campaign around someone "considered" immoral and irresponsible. It would have affected the legitimacy of his argument.....and being a very intelligent man he KNEW that ahead of time. We should take a lesson from Dr. King. I don't want to see Mr Cosby go to prison, but whether he coerced those women with drugs or just ran around cheating on his wife....either way the man was out of order. I'm not gonna throw a brick threw a window for him.

Cynique You can contend til you're blue in the face and i will continue to cast a jaundiced eye at your generalizations and your insistence that you know how all gay men think and, further, that you can speak for all straight men - and not back this up with something other than some anecdotal theory you conjured up in StarBucks because you are fixated on assigning certain traits to men and women and gays and straights, and blacks and whites, - while not possessing a degree in anthropology. Your eye isn't jaundiced. Your vision is yellow because of the straw from that big ass STRAW-MAN argument you've been erecting. You've purposely IGNORED every balanced thing I've been saying concerning straight men and women and their abilities to judge members of the same sex in order to paint my position as extreme and onesided......and then proceed to go to war against it. Because I realize this, I've come to the conclusion that it's a waste of time to keep repeating myself. So we have to agree to disagree. I'm afraid we can't, because YOU wouldn't allow THAT to happen. If I DID start agreeing with you on ANYTHING (including respectful disagreement).....you'd either act like you didn't read it or CHANGE your opinion, lol. Xeon You misunderstood what my point was. My point was having a darker complexion and Negroid facial features puts you at odds with the universal standard of beauty. I was very clear about what the standard is and that it is global. I’m not suggesting that I agree with it -but it is what it is. And nothing said in this forum or by anyone who is black is going to change it…. I don't know if I'd call it "universal" standards of beauty. The promotion of White women as the epitome of feminine beauty is a result of Western cultural imperialism and influence. Can you find me one indigenous culture that HASN'T been touched or influenced by the West that holds White skin, blonde hair, and blue/green eyes as standards of female beauty? Well, I agree. But if Gabby lost 100 pounds -why would Viola Davis be more attractive? What facial features would clearly make her face more attractive than Gabby’s? Her poThe structural shape of her face (considering if Gabby lost 100 lbs)? Her nose? The shape and size of her mouth? Spatial separation of the eyes? Her hair? WHAT? Again -what would make, Viola Davis’s face (in your opinion) more attractive than Gabby’s? Details please…. Well for one, her larger more open eyes. Her thicker more lushious lips. They may be the same complexion by Viola's skin seems to be more even toned and clearer where as Gabourey's is more "grainy" with dark patches. Viola is smiling in the photo while Gabourey is not, but her teeth and smile are wonderful too. In my opinion, fat or not Viola is generally just more physically attractive. Her "negroid" features and complextion has little to do with this while her FEMININE features do. 　 Let me further my point. In Singapore, there are three major ethnic groups, Malaysians, Chinese and East Indian. As far as bodies are concerned, the Chinese and Malaysians females have the better bodies, especially legs. The Indian women, not so much when compared side by side to the Malaysians and Chinese. But the Indian women are much more attractive in the face. It’s a no contest bro –TRUST ME! Now, this is what you want to hear –the Indian woman have much darker skin complexions than the Malaysians and Chinese. This harks to a notorious American Negro faux pas, "For a dark skinned gurl she really do look good!" I haven't been aroune many Malaysian women. The few that I have seen tended to be covered up because most of them were Muslim. But I have seen Chinese women and Indian women and TO ME, not only did Indian women look better in the face, but their body was bangin' too....far superior to the average Chinese woman. Most Chinese women I've seen tended to have slim hips and a flatter chest, which isn't very attractive TO ME. Where as most Indian women tended to have very wide hips and thick legs and breasts which to me is extremely attractive. So I guess it's just a matter of opinion. Ya know, I have no idea why you chose to bring this white woman into this discussion. Yes, she is very unattractive. BUT WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO INJECT THIS WOMAN INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT GABBY SIDIBE AND VIOLA DAVIS? We are discussing the opinions about the controversy of Viola Davis’s cover picture on Time magazine and your comparison to Gabby Sidibe (which I did not understand either). Because your argument is that Gabourey and Viola are considered unattractive because of their African features and I brought her in as an example of a WHITE WOMAN with WHITE FEATURES who was still unattractive! How does a White woman with fully so-called "European" or "Caucasian" features (and I say so-called because millions of pure Black Africans have the same features in East Africa) like small nose, small lips, blonde hair, White skin, ect......STILL end up being unattractive? Because racial phenotype doesn't determine one's attractiveness in the first place. You have attractive and unattractive women in all races and the pictures I provided illustrate that. 　 Honey Boo Boo’s physical appearance is nowhere near the average looking white female! Lol.....you need to come to the Midwest! I'll find you about 15 in every Wal-Mart. 　 The aversion to dark complexions is across the board in most of the world's cultures. Don’t think so? Do you know how many people are in China and India alone? Those two nationalities contribute to slightly under a "third of the world’s population"! For those two groups alone, which do you think elevates a woman’s desirability –a dark complexion or a light complexion? Among Arabic and Latinos (including Brazil), which elevates a woman’s attractiveness –dark complexion or a light complexion? In all of Africa, which color will give a woman greater social opportunity and conjuration –a dark complexion or a light complexion? Every single one of these cultures and nations have been heavily influenced and colonized by White Europeans. Western culture has left it's mark on the thinking of the people by not only telling them that White women are more beautiful, but that White men are smarter and White morality and technology is superior to their own. But the strange thing is....... As much as White men have tried to convince the rest of the world that White women are the epitome of beauty and femininity....THEY have been busy having sex with nearly every woman of color they have colonized. If women of color...women with brown or black skin were considered so unattractive then my question to you is why did so many European men HAVE SEX WITH THEM by the milllions when they came to the Americas or went to Africa, India, or China? They had millions of thier own White women to choose from, why go outside for the "less attractive"? Infact, why are so many White women STILL going to Asia and Africa literally BUYING Black and Brown women as wives and sex partners? I mean, paying HUGE sums of money to these women and thier families just for the right to have sex with them or marry them.....with all of these single White women available for them in the United States and Europe? Something isn't adding up....... If White women are in such demand, why aren't more rich White (or Asian, or African) men scouring trailer parks and poor sections of Eastern Europe offering money to them and their families to marry them like they're doing Asian and African and Central American women?

Troy....man you KNOW what you're doing when you start threads like this. Lol....you know....you DO know....lol. But a couple questions.............. 1. What qualifies one as a "good" Black man? The term "good" means different things to different people and what a man may considered "good" in a man may not be what women consider good. Furthermore..... 2. For over 30 years we've heard about the lack of good Black men, but what if I were to declare there was an equal lack of "good" Black women too !? The men are in part shaped and formed by the women who gave birth to them, so if there's a lack of good men then what does that say about the women who produced them? There's too much complaining and waiting going on and not enough planning and engineering. At some point as a community we're going to have to decide what type of traits the majority of us (because ALL of us will never agree) would like to see in the opposite sex and start trying to develop these traits in our children so that they'll have them when they become adults. ....instead of letting people grow up wild like weeds and then complaining about them afterwards.

Cynique And in spite of your "revulsion", there are some men who might find Gabourey attractive. Well there are "some" men who'll fine ANYBODY attractive. As long as a person has a hole....they'll run up in it, lol. But I NEVER said I found Gabourey revolting. You may want to question Xeon on some of that language....not me. point are you trying to make by posting pictures of 2 physically ugly men? Showing you that even as a straight man....when it comes to extreme examples I can still judge somewhat whether or not some men would be considered PHYSICALLY attractive or unattractive to most women. women or gaySince what i implied and what you claim is also your point, this point being that perception of attractivemess is a subtle subjective determination that is in the eye of the beholder, then why even broach the silly subject? No, no, nooooo..........that's NOT my point. ONCE AGAIN, my point is: Although anyone can have an opinion about the attractivenesss of another, those who are ALREADY sexually oriented towards them are BEST qualified to determine how attractive they really are! Who needs your flawed ambiguous observation that only women and gay men are qualified to judge attractiveness in straight males. YOU...for one.....if you didn't already know this. And it appears that you didn't. So now consider yourself educated, lol. If, as you also imply, physical attraction is universal, anybody can judge someone else's attractiveness no matter what their sex or sexual orientation is. A straight man could very well understand what a woman would see in a man that wasn't physically attractive but had a good personality and money, or in a man who had standard good looks like a movie star who was very photogenic. NO, that's not always the case. Infact, that's USUALLY not the case. Sometimes a straight man can figure some things out based on experience and observation as well as what other men and women have told him.....but it's still not the same as having an inborn predisposition of being attracted to a certain group that allows you to focus on more details. I'm not sure what gay men focus on the most, but most straight men focus MOSTLY on a woman's looks in determining whether or not she's attractive to him. It's not the only thing, there are other factors...but looks are the biggest. It's very hard for a straight man to naturally get inside the head of a woman to look at a man through HER eyes. Most pimps and players can do it, which is why they tend to be more successful with women than the average man. How many times have you heard a man who wants a particular woman who left him for another man complain about, "Why him?" "What does HE have that I ain't got???" He's looking at attraction through HIS eyes, instead of hers. So still, while anyone can judge....the BEST judges are those predisposed to find that particular group attractive. I know you're smart enough to figure out what I'm saying, stop acting crazy and giving me a hard time on this.....you know I'm right. Dont' just sit up and argue with me over NOTHING.

Cynique 　 Being attracted to a man is not necessarily the same as a man being attractive. A woman can be attracted to a brilliant dynamic man who dresses well, exudes a certain confidence and respires with animal magnetism but who does not have a handsome face. And she may be turned off by an attractive man with handsome chiseled features but who has a conceited cocky demeanor and talks, but can't walk a good game. Some women don't like pretty men and to others, power is a great aphrodisiac. Last but not least, one of a man's most attractive features in hidden in his groin. Size matters. You're reading what I'm saying, but you're not taking time to COMPREHEND it. If you DID, you'd realize that you're basically proving my point.....lol. That point being..... Although anyone can have an opinion about the attractivenesss of another, those who are ALREADY sexually oriented towards them are BEST qualified to determine how attractive they really are. And your latest post basically backs that up by stating the various qualities a woman (straight woman) may find attractive or unattractive about a man that a lesbian woman or a straight man may not pick-up on or overlook...simply because they aren't interested. Good job.

　 Cynique 200,000,000??? I don't think so.You are quick to discount Obama's substantiated record but continue to rattle off a litany of all the vague miracles that Farrakhan has performed. Whatever. Lol..... Don't know where you're getting that 200 million figure.....I certainly didn't provide it. Besides the ACA which was basically a give-a-way to the insurance companies, what did Obama accomplish? Especially for Black people? Black America is WORSE off economically and social today than they were BEFORE Obama was elected. The black community is in crises and the plight of young black inner city men is worse than it has ever been Thank you for making my point! And as I thank YOU.....YOU can thank your beloved Obama for this condition young Black America finds itself in today. And while you're at it, you can also thank him for Trump because HE'S the main reason Trump is in the Whitehouse today. Delano No Pioneer you stated that Ballet is dancing for Whites. However I am retiring from dual monologues. That's odd....... Most people tell bed time stories so that OTHERS can retire for the night. You seem to like telling tales before YOU retire......lol. Can you find me one post where I stated that ballet is dancing for WHITES?????

Cynique So, do you think only .women and gay men can judge the looks of men?? Ofcourse not. Anyone can judge anyone's looks. Even if you don't find that particular demographic attractive, there are some universal traits of attractiveness going beyond sex or even race and culture that allows you to kind of "size up" who may be considered attractive and who probably would be regulated to the more unattractive category. For example...... I don't have to be gay to realize that most women probably don't find these men very attractive physically: However women and gay men are the MOST qualified to judge on a man's physical attractivenss. Because they tend to be attracted to that male demographic by nature, they notice a lot of minor details and subconscious traits that lesbians and straight men may not notice. I don't believe this is just my opinion, I think it's closer to fact.

Cynique My point is results speak louder than claims. Not all missions are accomplished. Well Brother Farrakhan has atleast 2 million witnesses who can prove that his mission to organize a million Black men to march on Washington in 1995 was ACCOMPLISHED. And I'm ONE of those witnesses. I was in "that number" when the saints went marching in....lol. Del Pioneer violin is cool because You like it. A violin is only cool in the hands of one who can PLAY IT WELL...lol. Stop talking foolishness that suggests people who play the violin are playing "White music".

Cynique I don't think Gabourey is ugly. she is just obese. Her face is rather cute; she has nice features and smooth skin and pretty eyes. IMO. Ofcourse it's your opinion. And it's the opinion of a heterosexual female....who IMO (lol) isn't qualified to judge the attractiveness of another woman! What you're doing is an example of what is contributing to the low self esteem and confusion of young Black women all over America. Too many Black women.....straight Black women....are giving their opinions of who THEY feel is or should be considered an attractive Black woman. And when young and impressionable girls take these goofy opinions as facts and find out most Black men don't share them....they end up angry and confused. It's a biological fact that what most women see as "attractive" features, most men don't. I've heard many young girls look at a toned and muscular woman and say they wish they had a body like that because the muscles were attractive....not realizing that it was attractive to THEM but not necessarily to men. As hard and as counter-intuitive as it may seem, I think women should leave the judging of other women's attractiveness to either homosexual women or STRAIGHT MEN.

Cynique Eloquent rhetoric. Farrakhan and i are both the same age. He better hurry up and complete his mission before he croaks- or i do. Doesn't look like he's made a lot of progress. LOL Again, neither you nor I have to AGREE with his beliefs or reasons for why he's doing what he's doing. I'm well past religion and dogmatism. I just got into a heated debate with a Jehovah's Witness a few days ago who was trying to take me all over the bible about how the world is on it's way to ending and what all of the signs are prophecies are coming true. I've been waiting on the world to end since the 1980s.....lol. My point is, we don't have to agree with the man or his doctrine to respect his work nor do you have to agree with it simply to understand why he's doing it.

Troy @Pioneer1, do you really "get a lump in your throat, and feel an urge to put your hand over your heart when the flag goes by or somebody is singing the national anthem?" Nah, I think she's got me confused with Fred Sanford.

Yep, I indeed misread that quote. My apologies. You said SO MUCH foolishness, when you said something that finally made sense.....you threw me off, lol.

Cynique I gotta feeling Mel will vet those remarks you made about Gabourey. My remarks were my opinion. If someone wants to disagree and called Gabourey an icon of beauty they are more than welcomed. If someone wants to say ALL Black women are beautiful regardless as to how they look, they are welcomed to do that as well. But no amount of "girl power" is going to change the laws of nature or convince heterosexual men to stop finding femininity (which Viola exudes) attractive and instead call EVERY Black woman who bumbles down the street beautiful simple because she's Black. Just like being Black doesn't automatically make you ugly, it doesn't automatically make you beautiful either.

Well who is "this America" that you're talking about?

I don't think Farrakhan hates America. He's in a position to leave and go to Africa if he so desires. i just think he claims to hate Americans because this resonates with his guilible followers. Minster Farrakhan believes his mission is a Divine one. To stay here in America and help resurrect Black people and clean them up morally so that God can save us from the inevitable doom of Western civilization. Now whether you or I AGREE with that belief is irrelevant......THAT is the reason he doesn't leave America despite his financial abilities and multitude of social connections all over Africa.

Cynique SMH. i give up on arguing with people who are totally off my wave length, That's why I told you in the other thread to get out of the house! If you'll just take a break and go outside you'll find plenty of species on YOUR wave length. Infact, you can walk around in the grass and I'm pretty sure you'll find a perfect match squirming around...lol.

Miss American't https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/5568-pioneer1/Nothing either one of you say can convert this American to your way of thinking about the "land of broken promises". Don't be so sure. Atleast we got you calling yourself an American so you're halfway there already.....lol. You, in particular apparently can't even offer an alternative argument and take into consideration that you think of America in the intangible abstract and i think of it in the tangible reality. So your arguments just roll off my back just like mine roll off yours. So be it. I admit, Xeon has a better way with words. Whatever.....lol. If someone can come along and articulate my position better than I can, I welcome it with open arms!

Cynique You're the one who needs to get a grip. How ironic that you are the epitome of the cognitive dissonance that you accuse others of. SMH What I find ironic is that you trash Farrakhan even though both you AND him share the same views about America...lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xxVNQ_Ed5I If anything, you should be championing the man for his steadfast critique of the United States. Del So is Farakkan playing the Violin for White Folks or Black Folks. In your mind how can you not question Farrakan playing classical violin?!? Because in MY mind.....a mind that works PROPERLY....a man's personal hobbies and what he does for recreation is irrelevant compared with his life's purpose and the work he does in line with it.

Cynique Are you slowly slipping into insanity or something? I'm beginning to think the ROOM you're posting from is full of HOT AIR and it's affecting your reasoning. You're gonna sit up there and SERIOUSLY entertain this foolish backward-ass logic (conjured up by Mr. Confusion himself...lol) that since Farrakhan plays the VIOLIN....that makes his Black nationalism and all the work he's done for the Black community over the past 60 years illegitimate and part of some big game? All of his decades of getting Black men and women off drugs and alcohol, teaching them to eat right and reversing their diabetes and high blood pressure and other ailments, helping them organize and acquire their own businesses, securing Black entertainers....including Michael Jackson, launching "stop the killing" campaigns around the nation and working with rappers to get Black people to love eachother instead of seeing eachother as enemies, going inside the prisons to help GET Black men out of jail and KEEP them out. .....but all of that is just a big smoke screen for an Uncle Tom who really loves White folks and can't wait to put on a tie and play the fiddle for them? Honestly Cynique...... Stop it, you're scaring me....I don't wanna see you like this. Delano...lol....I understand....but YOU??? Maybe you should get out of that hot ass room....lol. Get out of the house and walk around the block a few more times, look down at your toes and RE-discover yourself. Get some fresh air.

I never did trust Bill Maher too much. I'm actually a fan of his....I love watching his show. He's articulate the way he comes at the right and his points are excellent, but every now and then he get's a little careless and the TRUTH slips out about how he really feels about certain things so my antenna is always raised around him. And he's constantly going off on Arabs and talking about how Western culture is superior to Arab and Middle Eastern culture. I remember back in the 90s when Chris Rock was doing his "Black people versus Niggaz" rant on the regular, some White people praised Chris Rock for being one of the few Black entertainers who was brave enough to hold Black people accountable for the negativity in their community. Bill was one of them, and I remember on his show he asked something along the lines of "where is the Arab or Muslim Chris Rock?" Insinuating the Arabs need someone who will get on television and criticize the hell out of their own people like Chris did. So I'm not suprised that he'd say something like this. I look at it like this: We have bigger fish to fry. The man called HIMSELF a house nigger so........let him be one if he wants to.

Xeon It is nonsensical that the best place for black people is America? Oh really? Ok. Name me two places on planet earth where black people, as a group, have a better standard of living, better income, better educated and have much better opportunities in education, entertainment, sports, politics, social mobility, etc. Please do that, I'll wait..... I couldn't have said it better. Infact, I KNEW if you were good for one thing....it's patriotism....lol. Ok...here you go....she's talking all TYPES of shit on this thread: Why don't you work her over a bit in that one too...lol.

Bobbie No one is saying that dark skinned Black women CAN'T wear bright red lipstick. They can wear whatever they want. Personally, I'm saying they SHOULDN'T because it clashes with their skin tone. I guess it depends on what you're wearing it for though. Many Black women claim they don't care what society things of them and they'll wear whatever they feel like, but then turn around and get mad if Black men look at women of other races instead of them.....something you wouldn't do if you really didn't care. If I have to choose between seeing Black women dress and act however they want to without criticizing them.....or offering corrective criticizm on how they should dress and act to be most attractive. My love of them forces me to choose the latter whether they initially understand it or not. Cynique LOL. @Delano Everybody has flaws and prejudices and being true to ourselves involves acknowledging them because that's who we are. The true test is not being false to anyone by pretending to be something we are not. What if someone is pretending to be a psychic who knows the future, but is not and can't? Lol, how should that person view themselves? 　 　 Xeon Viola Davis joins the ranks of black females (e.g., Alek Wek, Missy Elliott, Nina Simone, Uzo Aduba, Gabby Sidibe, et al) who have at some point in their life have faced a tsunami of criticism and hostility for their genetics. Come on man, how are you gonna put Viola Davis and Gabourey Sidibe in the same catagory? Just look at them: Gabourey Sidibe Viola Davis Just about the ONLY thing those two women share in common is their dark skin! Nothing against her as a person, but physically speaking Sidibe's lack of physical atractiveness has NOTHING to do with her dark skin and more to do with her weight, bodily shape, and the shape of her face. Are you telling me that if all of her other physical characteristics remained the same but she was 5 shades lighter then all ofa sudden she would be considered attractive? Look at that Mama June character from Honey BooBoo: She's got all the genetics you speak of. Do you think SHE looks better than a dark skinned Viola?

Delano & Cynique Yes I knew he played the violin. I believe there's an old video of him playing on some entertainment show way back in the 40s or 50s when he was in highschool. I also knew he was a Calypso entertainer back in the day, thanks to the influence of his West Indian mother. They used to call him "The Charmer" and I believe "Calypso Louie" because of his skills. But you two ask is Farrakhan a sell out or irrelevant because he plays the violin...a.k.a. "white people's" music????? I can't believe...... This is so ridiculous I wouldn't even give it time let alone the respect of answering it. Is THIS where the conversation's going now? Who can ask the silliest questions??? Straight up race to the bottom. Why not ask me is he a sell out because he wears a suit and tie.....a.k.a..."white people's clothes"!!!! Instead of wearing suits and speaking to millions under the Lincoln Monument, maybe you two would have more respect for him if he wore a dashiki and pounded on drums on the avenue. Del Stop trying to twist my words or change the subject. No one called violins or classical music (and I LOVE me some BACH) being gay or detrimental to the Black community. You said I was diminishing gay Black men because so many of them were into BALLET. I said I wasn't. I said ENCOURAGING and PROMOTING homosexuality in the Black community is just as detrimental as ENCOURAGING and PROMOTING violence in the Black community. Again, BOTH lead to a reduction in our population but in different ways.