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@ProfD similar, yes in very near modernity, i concur with many adjectives because in the 1800s the usa had many black towns and they were all under huge duress. What black people were able to feel in haiti throughout every corner of haiti in 1800, no large percent of the black populace felt in the usa till 1990 so... yes, I concur, but it isn't the same, and that matters in the details of things. again, how to get from here to there is important. and in the context of this posts original point about the role of the usa as an aider in humanity, I argue, the lateness of modernity is a discredit. Changing isn't unimportant, BUT, I find many in the usa tend to look at scenarios in humanity through the lens of change and changing doesn't undo what you were. The USA in the 1900s started or continued every calamity that exist in the humanity today. No matter how much multiracial peace exists in the usa today, 2026, that doesn't undo the damage. To be blunt, in most current events, the USA made iran, the USA made israel. I argue all the children killed of and between the geography of those two governments is all the USA's fault. ISIS is the USA's fault. The Taliban is the USA's fault. I don't know all the details but I know enough of the history to know the usa[it's government plus people or residents {residents include me} plus fiscal firms] are to blame for that entire regions calamities.

@ProfD you said I provided in the following comment an answer on how blacks in the usa need to change to can get the type of mechanisms you give as example organizations : B'nai B'rith & Anti-Defamation League & Jewish Defense League. https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12488-do-you-vote-for-awards-shows-to-go-away/#findComment-80419 then you state You reply to my comment with a discarding of my comments point, solutions/answers... things don't get better or worse by magic, they have processes, the future is made in the past, inevitabilities in the future stem from choices in the past.

@ProfD hmm interesting, I want to know more of your thinking on this issue. What does the editing do, that I don't see? the unedited shows the truth, what does the editing provide? hmm well, from what I comprehend of the white jewish populace, if a similarity organizationally is to be made, then I argue the weakness is in one of three groups: Black Elephants/Republicans OR Nation of Islam OR the Black One percent. Why do I say this? The white jewish populace isn't one people really. They have three main tribes Reformers/Orthodox/Conservative... the Reformers literally have a statement saying, none of the defining patterns of orthodoxy, which means those who think they are right, as in the eastern orthodox christian church, are necessary to be a reformer. Reform jews don't have to wear the cap, don't have to speak yiddish, don't have to do many things that people associate with judaism. But they do have a huge synogaogue downtown manhattan with many rich white people what is my point. Reform judaism in my view, is a tribe designed in the USA for the specific purpose of maintaining a jewish tribal culture, absent demanding on individuals in it, unlike orthodox or conservatives, the rules of judaism. The orthodox, the ones who wear the cap all the time, women have the nun look and et cetera follow the religious code, like the other religious extreme folk of christianity or islam. They are hyper into israel, whereas the reformers are neutral. The reformers love the usa, have many female jews in their body, unmarried or et cetera, which doesn't fit in orthodox jew circles, which is dominated by male jews. Then the conservative jews, they are the old white european jewish families who who came to the usa throughout the years. They are the most embedded in white european anti jewish financial circles of money and power, they tend to be the binder between the reformers and orthodoxy who for obvious reasons don't get along all the time. You say mechanicsms, but the tribes is the variance. All three of the white jewish tribes in the usa have financial potency, not the same, the reformers are the weatlhiest , the conservatives have the oldest money, deepest connections, the orthodox are the poorest but through the zionist movement have israel as a focal point and cradle for orthodoxy to maintain. I argue, if not for israel i think orthodox judaism would be in serious trouble, population wise. Whereas the Black DOSers , first and foremost are not white so unlike white jews didn't spend the last two hundred and fifty years in business as a majority, only since 1980 has a majority of black people been allowed to be part of the marketplace in the usa. Second, the tribes of DOSers are many, more populated and not the same. Black Christians- commonly called the Black church but again, modernity has made it more complicated. You have jehovahs witness, where in the past, the Black christians could be called the black church today... it is more complicated. Black Muslims- which because of the immigration act plus islams heritage is muddy.The nation of islam will never dominate black muslim life in the usa , they had one chance and they failed. My point being white jews have: fanatic religion/orthodox - religion in name only/reform - religion in secret- conservative. Black DOSers have many religious groups now, so that simplicity is gone, which hurts organizations. Then of course you have the groups unique to Black DOSers and their experiences. Black Militants have always existed in the usa, again, every slave revolt is an action of black militants, lived at the same time as James Forten. but militants don't want peace, that is the point, they want to destory the enemy of the blacks in the usa who without no doubt in history are the whites in the usa, individuals be damned. Black Individualist- primarily concerned financially, they don't believe, which is well earned again, that black collective action will come of anything. I can't say I concur to them, but I can't deny they make a truthful point. Black collective action always gets underminded by whites in the usa, to suggest some magic or learning strength needs to occur is an insult to truth. after five hundred years living side whites, the proof is in the history book. BElieve it or not. Black Integrationists, whether they know it or not, want the usa to be a place of interracial even peace, going back to James Forten again. I get it. It is one of the most peaceful human stories. if you know anything about Zen , the black integrationist make sense. Zen says that all is nature and thus, even the most negative actions are not unnatural and thus if a black person wants to live in a usa of legal equality with the non black , even with knowing the history that is fine. But the militant/individualist/integrationist have no bridge between them. This isn't like the white jewish trio, they have serious differences of opinion. The white jewish trio are not based on experiences in the usa. they differ on how they interpret judaism, or the kind of lifestyles they lead, but they don't differ in terms of how to relate to others. the Black tribes have more complicated differences, which means it is harder to get cohesive organizations. I didn't even mention the Black Nationalist, my little tribe. Not all black nationalist want to find a homeland, like me. NAtionalism isn't about demographic orders/rankings or militarism or finding a homeland. The NAzis for example were nationalist+militants+socialists three separate things that when together is interesting. I didn't mention the Black Elephants/Republicans or Black Donkeys/Democrats. Two big groups relatively, who again, they can't even organize with each other, so how can they organize with other tribes? But the point being, mechanisms require the tribes to be what they are not. Or for one tribe to put in serious work to make it so. I argue the best suited black tribes in the usa for such mechanisms are nation of islam/Black elephants{or a section fo them}/Black one percent. The conservative white jewish tribe is the oldest money in the white jewish populace. The Black One percent , again James Forten, has always existed. Now, many of them have intentionally whited their bloodlines, ala getting poor whites to literally mate with their children to start a process. Many of them don't care for each other. so they lack the cohesiveness, but Profd, you always talk about money, and knowing so many grand strategies, become rich and change the black one percent in the USA. well... that all depends on what a system is biases by default are positive or negative, both are eternal and by default a negative bias oppress/malign/mistreat/abuse another. Thinking on @Pioneer1 query of critical race theory, in my view, the solution to bell's thesis is what pioneer always talks about, the law. Said law is how negative bias can be letigated. It will always exist and always abuse, by default, the law cant' stop that . but if laws can be worded very carefully and enforced with a true neutrality, which humans can't do, negative bias can be letigated against. As I said, when you look at the usa historically, the biggest problem in the jim crow era is the law, but it isn't black people breaking the law as some blacks erroneously, say it is white people breaking the law. In that smithsonian branch, they have an artwork depecting the number of hangings, but how does anyone know if that is true? If you start from the thefts of our forebears: every single white person in the usa, or wherever black people were sent to in the american continent or asia or europe was aiding or abetting, a crime of rape/torture/enslavement/assault . Now, some can argue, all of that was legal, albeit criminal but once the 13th amendment was implemented. Every single black person hanged/burned alive/raped/attacked on the road by whites, every black person's home that was vandalized by whites/ every black person harassed while voting by whites, every black person attacked in a school by whites/ every black person abused by white law enforcers[miranda rights], every black person abused by white jailors[not given food, not given clothes] were all illegalities. But what percentage of white terror against innocent law abiding black people went to court? I bet less than one percent. So, the law is the only tool in the usa to make those who commit negative bias pay for the act, not stop the acts, cause humans are human, but pay for the acts. But, again, Trayvon martin kills that path. Emmit till killed it, but people can consider that the pass... The usa doesn't have the legal framework to enforce law enough to make negative biasers pay, evenly. Now maybe wealthy black dosers can pay for legal fees but how many crimes against black people still don't go to court today? that is a huge financial expense and Black One PErcent are very addicted to revenue return, the idea of investing in court cases that return no money is not appealing to them, but Profd there is it, get rich and change them .

@Pioneer1 well... Each is distinct from the other. Affirmative Action is really, a federal level legal action designed to make it where . Remember the KErner Commission [ https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2685&type=status ] . Affirmative action says, institutions dealing with the federal government and by top down state and counties and city governments have to open up their hiring practice. The problem is affirmative action doesn't handle private business affairs. When colleges take federal money, when city governments hire people, affirmative action is the tool to open up uneven hiring practices. DEI diversity equity and inclusion isn't about the government, it is about private enterprise, which evaded changing its practices with affirmative action in the past. The problem is, the USA has a free market capitalistic heritage, which means ownership has value. Ownership gives you power, this is the legacy of the enslavers. Even though over ninety percent of fiscal wealth is inherited, and over ninety percent of inherited wealth can trace its roots to whites using genocide to the first peoples plus enslavement to the black dosers , the modern legal code in the usa doesn't have a way of taking wealth and redistributing it for past crimes, ala no reparations as well. But what that means is, the only way to change private enterprise is through small measures with the hope that it will allow those known to be abused to take advantage and change the market environment. Reparations isn't about money, reparations is about repairing, but here is the problem. How do you repair a relationship that was never positive in the first place. The problem with reparations is that those who study it, are trying to find a way to make peace between two people who never had any in the first place. The history of black people is far older than almina. BUT, the start of BLACK DOSers from Canada to USA to Argentina to India to China is enslavement, it isn't even betrayal. And thus how do you repair losing everything? it can't be done. Money can't buy the past. Money can't buy the lost heritages. ... Money has limits. this is part of why blacks in usa and the other mentioned places have just embraced the places. Because all DOSers know, the past can not be reclaimed. The damage was too extensive, unless someone has a time machine, it can't be done. That heritage is what needs to be repaired, that can't be repaired. that was the whole point of the fiscal enterprise in all the oceanic enslavements, trans atlantic, trans indian, out of africa. to delete the heritage of black people to bind them to wherever they landed by truths that even if unshackled, learned, monied they couldn't undo. Critical Race Theory started by Bell has one agenda, to try and create a new culture that can fit all peoples in it. It is a Black STatian, you and @ProfD 's tribe functional desire since James Forten, who again, was a black fiscally successful business owner who fought for the usa to be born. The problem is, the desire by Forten was always very complex in a country like the usa where so many in it , are in it, not to be mixed or work together , but for various negativities. lets call it like it, the usa has only three groups of people from why they are here perspective. First Peoples who are original inhabitants and have suffered at the hands of unwanted immigrants, whether legal or not, or those descended from unwanted immigrants constantly Black DOSers who never wanted to be here and were bred and enslaved till this hell hole is all they know Immigrants who are the fiscal poor/unwanted/dregs from various parts of the world , starting with europe who never would had left the country they came from if rich/powerful/safe. So no one is in the usa cause they want to be part of an interracial body. No one. thus why, bell and others desires always fall flat. The truth is a powerful things. But, you have four different things. A legal tool to even out the demographics of the federal government, which I argue have worked. A soft tool that couldn't lead to permanancy in changing the private sector A bunch of people trying to figure out how to repair the unrepairable A bunch of people trying to figure out how to design a culture that no one is present/purposed for be embraced by all. These are four unique things.

@Pioneer1 the proof will be in the future, which I do not know, but if you are alive and wonder one day where is Richard in the aalbc forum, then if i am alive, you will know the answer and the proof is met well to be blunt , like many ideas, freedom is defined by individuals differently, for me, the freedom the Black DOSers in haiti have is that they are in a country that is actually black in the american continent. Financially, no one , even haitians, can argue that haiti is near the fiscal bottom of countries in the american continent [ canada to argentina] and as I have heard many DOSers in the usa say, or imply as yourself, the amenities is part of life. HAiti at the moment, is one of the weakest places for amenities in the american continent. But freedom isn't merely access to amenities or even legal codes, freedom is also the connection to a place. In that sense, Haitians will always be freer than other DOSers. Again, the USA/Brasil/Mexico/Columbia/Jamaica /Trinidad/Puerto Rico/Dominican Republic former Spanish Haiti all have black people in them but all of those countries, are anti black. The black people in each of the countries I just mentioned spend most of their lives battling non black people, and for the most part losing, for an even share of things in said countries. I don't consider that freedom. SLavery isn't merely shackles, nor are the strongest cages always made of steel. And sometimes the strongest cage is the illusion you are not in one. The USA is exhibit A. I don't know how many black people in the usa consider themselves free, because of pieces of paper, because they have a job or are living a happy life or have accumulated a certain level of money. To be even, if they measure freedom that way, then they simply do. But for me, I can't see myself free in a land where my larger people are always abused. And that to me is the measure. Haiti is fiscally poor, but Haiti's problem is its neighbors, the neighbors of haiti always have been. None of these countries was pro black, including the jamaica's of the world. Haiti no one can deny is a Black DOS country, that is a rarity to say. That offers a kind of freedom to haiti that the usa/brasil/mexico will never have. And I will be even to the usa and say, being a country for all humanity is easy to write down, easy to put on paper, it is another thing to manifest. The usa's biggest problem is that it is clear a majority of people in the usa want its original words written by white european enslavers to have value but words on paper, the law, doesn't have value, it takes heritages or cultures to make these things. The heritage path is dead, the heritage of the usa is totally against any peaceful multiracial coexistence. but, cultures have to be grown, they don' sprout from nothing. And cultures require people together , personal accountability can't get you a culture of a people.

@ProfD well, the bafta's are live in england and with modern technology people will share the live edits, I have only seen snippets, which i imagine were recorded by people watching the live english telecast. The financial question going forward is with modern technology, which allows anyone to record live performances and share them even before they are officially published elsewhere, does editing video material matter anymore? Any artist that makes a mistake on stage? any mishap in an award show? any recording session in a studio thought by someone private? can all be recorded by an individual and submitted to the internet and then it is out there. IS editing worth it? I comprehend lawsuits but... what can one really do to prevent exposure. BAFTA can't block the recordings online. No one can. Governments can't. The internet is too big a media space for that. when you say black folks haven't demanded, do you mean no black individuals? or a black organized body? I know many black individuals who want an apology, but i don't consider that a demand. But I also know some black folks who aren't concerned by it... so again, a group can't demand when a group isn't of the same mind racism is eternal, unless humans beings stop using first and last names, racism will be forever. And as for bias, negative or positive, well they are eternal as well, unless some human beings stop favoring their children or stop disliking those who harmed them. I argue that the better line of thinking isn't in annihilating, racism or bias, but in cognizing how to utilize racism/categorization/ranking more functionally, more honestly, plus learning how to handle biases, negative or positive, as they will occur in the future. Cause racism + bias, negative or positive, have always been and always will be common or normalized, as humans are humans and while biases dictate what is accepted or not, their weights change in time, invariably.

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