@Troy I have continually made the argument that the black populace in NYC and the larger usa is large enough to have many different places. That has been my point when someone black says they grew up in hell, well someone else black in the same city grew up in heaven and that is not an impossibility and my only issue here is the idea from you plus pioneer that it is somehow impossible that some black people had a brilliant time in the same city where you lived in hell. I tell you , people in my bloodline older than you Troy, never lived in a hell, and I was honest and said that others in my family had a similar experience to you.
It is all NYC, the fact that it is impossible for that to be true for some black people leads to the larger issue. From schools to the condition of the street, i can tell you of various black experiences in NYC but speaking for myself plus similars it was great, it was flat out great being in this section of the black populace in NYC.
You grew up on park avenue. 113th street. to close to whites for me.
You know what's is one of the odd things for me. I see more homeless, all colors but more importantly all ways now, than i did as a kid and harlem has so many whites. but it makes sense, the poorest flow nearest the money.
To @Pioneer1
ok, again, i want it known, i know black people in nyc who said and say like you as well as black people who said and say like me. In terms of policy or laws, i think what this situation proves is a key problem in the black populace. This is unbridgeable, like I think many frictious issues in the black populace historically.
I have always opposed that positon. You want people to be happy, then you have to help them be happy. Wealth is the key, money is the key. But of course, this goes back to another simple prolbem in the black populace in the usa. All black people know whites run things so black empowerment or improvement will not happen easily and moreover, black people haven't been able to have access to the financial betterment that genocide to natives or enslaving a people who don't look like us brings.
The national urban league suggest 200 years to equity and I think of james baldwin, whenone of his last speeches he said, when will it happen, for my children or their grandchildren. That rate is slow but it makes sense to me as black wealth in the usa has never been through financially opportune scenarios, again, let black people in the usa have access to the financial wealth garnered from slavery + genocide and we will jump up quick. That is how white people did it. They were not working the land or working their own land.
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/inside-city-hall/2024/03/08/national-urban-league-president-discusses-new-report-on-black-americans
so, you get black people who say, since black financial betterment, which is the true solution in fiscal capitalism to make anybody content is barred for most black people, you better simply stick dogs on the poor. Cause most black people have always been in the usa , the financial bottom. Which si what the enslaved are.
I comprehend your position, i know you may not like my language but it is your position's reality. and one that has been uttered again in harlem by many blacks, most importantly by blacks whose financial fortunes are ... better.
well, in my experience the phenotypical association of latinos isn't a simple generaliztion witin the latin american popualce in the usa or outside of it. I will simply say i concur that the demographic data has challenges in nyc.
from my view, you want to discount my real life because my real life is different than yours. But again, this isn't something new in the black populace in the usa. It is an old story.
Earlier in your prose you suggested I don't care about reality or am ignoring reality but you just admitted that commonality is not worth to be shown cause it is common. I accept your position but I am sticking with mine.
but you said you wanted 0% so the truth is, you know 0% is unachievable but you want to reach it, that is a cycle to nothing. I choose ot live another way.
Maybe where you live or lived most illegal drug dealers want to hang out with children but not where I live. And, will i be ok with an illegal drug dealer trying to get a child? no. But if 99% of drug dealers are not trying to get children I can accept it. Again, 100% is impossible. And As the latino illegal drug dealing covers where children recently died in NYC showed, latinos didn't suggest the same as you to their populace when a child was found dead by their drug dealers negligence or uncaring. why? it isn't a common thing. Ar epeople unhappy or upset, yes, but it isn't a symbol of their community though i know.. we all know many drug fronts exist in nyc.
this issue we have gone back and forth with proves media not actions matter. It doesnt matter who commits a crime it matters how media present it. The real estate industry burned the bronx to the ground, a public secret all in harlem or the bornx knew, the law enforcement knew, the fire department knew, but the media said it was black people, black people who share your views said the wild criminal blacks, and that is that.
and less poor. again, black people in the usa collectively have more welath today, wealth all earned nothing through slavery, genocide, tricks, even the illegal money is earned cause we never controlled the sources of any drug, which is where the real money is, dealers is what 95% of black illegal drug traffickers are. but to the point, it is more money. money in fiscal capitalism breeds more contentment cause who is more content when they can't pay rent, buy food, pay for electricity, buy clothes. And again, black people, the majority come from enslaved bloodlines that had to literally work every generation to make money, no shortcuts. better happiness helps. but why should most black people be happy in the usa, historically at the least?
one thing, when any of you on this platform speak your truth i see it as your truth, i can either oppose it, or concur to it, or have a neutral view, but it isn't a matter of like or dislike. My question is not to your position or truth, but to the larger village. You , and I sadly have to repeat this constantly, like Troy or others I have met offline, offline, have said similar. I believe I said that so many times in this one comment stream, I will promise myself not to say it again. But I also said tha tme side others said different and the larger point is, these positions don't have a bridge so this maintians the deep issue in the black populace in the usa , which it has always had, starting with the usa's founding where again, most free blacks fought against the creation of the usa, the minority of free blacks fought for the creation of free blacks, and the majority of the black populace, the enslaved, hated whites plus the usa and only wanted to kill whites and leave the usa but wee shackled to whites or the usa. Three positions that don't fit each other and that heritage of positons that don't fit each other remains strong.