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@Mel Hopkins When the war between the states ended and ever since, most black churches are composed of black women even though at said early time, the black men heading churches opposed black women from leadership positions. My point, I don't concur to lincoln's assertion that democracy is an absence of slavery but crispis attics in that minority in the minority in the black community when the usa was founded/frederick douglass + the black elected officials he inspired, which left a heritage Obama+Adams+dinkins embraced/many, I daresay most, black women in the black dos branch of the black community in the usa /mlk jr./barrack obama whose wife is a black DOSer/you yourself Mel side millions of other black people today did or do. Slavery can occur in any form : group to group <black to white> individual to individual <wife to husband> individual to group <Malcolm to the Natin of Islam> group to individual <the black community in the usa to Barrack Obama>. Black women wanted the freedom to lead their own lives, not just from the white communities machinations or stratagems but from the passions of black men. I will never forget a black woman saying the black women who ran her household sent black men away when they wanted to commit acts of violence towards whites who were harming their clan. <That scene in daughters of the dust when the raped black woman will not tell her husband, a black man, which whites did it, cause she didn't want him killed, and the other black women agree to her choice> The black women in this clan wanted to fight in the courts. Said black men in the same clan didn't. They sent them away so that the black women can be free to do as they please and the black men , distantly in the north, can be free to do as they please. <I think of James Baldwin, I paraphrase, black women try not to emasculate black men while they support them to their dreams >And while said clan has been split ever since, for the record, said black family still own their house:) in texas. I think the black community in the USA has been harmed by such folk or their actions, BUT from crispus attics to you I comprehend the determination to see this through even knowing the condition of most black people. I comprehend. It isn't my way or path, and I don't concur but I do comprehend and I think one of the problems in the black community in the usa is the challenge in comprehending other black people. I never forget when the DC Snipers were active, a black woman said they were crazy and I told her she is wrong for saying that. They didn't ask you to join them, why call them crazy. You know why they are doing it, it is the same reason why you harass every black person to vote every year, regardless of elected official quality or policy outcomes. You have your way, let them have theirs. ... She didn't reply.

SHAQ’S LEGAL TEAM FIRES BACK, WANTS FTX LAWSUIT DISMISSED Cedric 'BIG CED' ThorntonMay 10, 2023 https://www.blackenterprise.com/shaquille-oneal-ftx-lawsuit-legal-papers-shaq-moving-car/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter_05/10/2023 After successfully evading attorneys trying to serve him papers in a lawsuit against FTX celebrity endorsers, Shaquille O’Neal was finally served the legal documents. But not so fast! According to lawyers representing O’Neal, he was never properly served, and because of this, the claims against the NBA Hall of Famer should be dismissed. According to Business Insider, in a recent court filing, Shaq’s attorneys said the legal paperwork was “tossed” in front of Shaq’s car as he drove away from his Georgia residence. They also claim the documents were left “on the road where they landed.” “Mr. O’Neal has not evaded service by failing to be at the residences where plaintiffs belatedly attempted service or by driving past strangers who approached his car.” This latest action by the TNT commentator has placed Adam Moskowitz, managing partner at The Moskowitz Law Firm, in disbelief. In a written statement to the media outlet, he says, “It is really disappointing and surreal. The video will show Mr. O’Neal finally being served, after many months of hiding, as he attempts to possibly injure the process server. We expected better from an officer of the law. Mr. O’Neal and his lawyers need to stop running and finally deal with the serious allegations.” In March, Moskowitz tweeted that his law firm finally got the paperwork to Shaq after he evaded them for months. He represents investors in the cryptocurrency company FTX who filed a class-action lawsuit against the retired basketball player and other celebrities who endorsed the firm. Earlier this year, The New York Post reported that Shaq was successfully avoiding being served the legal documents from the lawsuit. O’Neal is among several celebrities named in the case filed in December based on their involvement with the bankrupted cryptocurrency company FTX. Other stars, like NBA champion Stephen Curry, and NFL champion, Tom Brady, were also named in the lawsuit filed by an investor in the company, Edwin Garri. My Thoughts The following is a repeat but I find all financial questions must start with a simple truth. Most of the money in the USA comes from crimes towards others, usually legal crimes. Taking land/enslaving others/getting relatives to sign contracts/laws from elected officials were legal acts that led to all the fortunes in the usa. Yes, Black people have made little money but most black wealth in the usa, honestly enough, comes from civilian activity. Black people working for government, entertainers, athletes, employed in the private sector doing arduous is where more black money in the usa comes from. Shaq is simply part of the modern allowance of black wealthy people able to join white wealthy in such schemes. And in defense the lawsuit is against the multiracial set of entertainers not merely shaq. But for me the crypto scam is more statian of the usa than all the humanity talk and united talk and rest of the lies spurted every day. For Laughs, forgive me any abused women Rudy Giuliani 'demanded oral sex while on phone to Trump' https://www.yahoo.com/news/rudy-giuliani-accused-coercing-ex-033519722.html some excerpts:) "He often demanded oral sex while he took phone calls on speaker phone from high-profile friends and clients, including then-President Trump. "Giuliani told Ms Dunphy that he enjoyed engaging in this conduct while on the telephone because it made him 'feel like Bill Clinton'." "He made clear that satisfying his sexual demands - which came virtually anytime, anywhere - was an absolute requirement of her employment." "often demanded that she work naked, in a bikini, or in short shorts with an American flag on them that he bought for her." "took Viagra constantly” "worked under the constant threat that Giuliani might demand sex from her at any moment. "When they were apart, they would often work remotely via videoconference, and during those conferences Giuliani almost always asked her to remove her clothes on camera."

@Mel Hopkins Exactly, mMaybe it is the smallest issue but I think the usa has this odd reality. Everyone in the usa knows it isn't a we but the word we is used constantly. If the USA is a union in name only why do all in the usa at some time: indigenous or black or white or you in your prior comment or me in various times offline or online or other, use the word we referring to the people in the usa? Is it a dysfunctional tradition or just a heritage? Why do some, indigenous or black or white or other, fight so hard to oppose making the partisanship official? I wonder your thoughts. You are a black woman Mel. In my eyes, no group in the usa did and does more to make the USA a true we than Black Women whose forebears were enslaved. I know the following goes away from this post but was Lincoln wrong? Lincoln never thought about terms of surrender seriously, even in the early part of the war between the states, when the south was winning. Was it a mistake by him in cheap retrospect? I ask cause in the year 2023 I think it is a simple truth to all who live in the usa. Either you think the usa will become a functional we one day or you don't, if you don't then the usa federal government or hyper multiracial populace in it is dysfunctional to your goals or outlooks or desires, if you do then you have patience to wait for the usa federal government and the populace in it to become a we even if you don't know how to get it there or if it is full of bloody rivalry. But, I don't see how the usa government or populace in it can simply exist as they are now without grand changes relatively soon. Or maybe I am wrong, maybe you think it can exist in the current state for a long time? Human history proves some governments can crawl slowly, over hundreds of years, to an inevitable situation. @Chevdove I thought about your comment < https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10287-bi-racial-black/?do=findComment&comment=60654 > in here when I saw a byline saying Kim Kardashian wants to be with Tom Brady... does that mean Tom Brady is going to have a colored girlfriend?:)

yes Fannie Lou Hamer had to deal with that

@Mel Hopkins great point. Again, the states in the usa are 50 and they are not going the same way, which isn't unheard of it is the legal heritage of the usa for states or shall i say more honestly, the populaces in states to be at odds. I bet some states sooner rather than later will bring back the usa legal tradition of legal defined race, like when having a black forebear that is phenotypically black meant you were labeled black. The current supreme court will definitely allow it which isn't a against tradition cause the supreme court always manipulates with its rulings, and many groups in the usa always loss with supreme court rulings. For me the issue isn't the labeling, but how consensus can occur with such labeling. Look at india/china/brazil/nigeria/russia large populace countries who like the usa aren't one people's but have governments that suggest the populace under them is one.

I want to say, @Pioneer1 @Chevdove @Troy you all make points that warrant more details or multilog. I want to say one fact, from the beginning of the usa, to now, the black community in the usa never had a majority accepted viewpoint toward itself. I restate, a majority of black people or people I think black never shared the same view on their phenotype or culture or role of blacks in the usa. So, historically, the black community in the usa never had a majority. Never. In the usa, many black people opposed malcolm, many black people opposed MLK jr, many black people opposed Frederick Douglass. No time in the usa or the english provinces that preceded it did black people have true majority, over 90% consensus on anything. Remember most free black people fought against the creation of the usa that most black people were enslaved in. But even among enslaved blacks some blacks were willing to kill while some blacks were not willing to kill, and that is an important variance when one is enslaved. To me the question going forward is, how do you get majority consensus in the black community in the usa when individualism is so beloved and uttered in the black community in the usa. In this very forum, how many people declare positions that are clearly in opposition to other black people in the details, and in these situations details matter. @ProfD you make like the three i mentioned strong points. but south africa is an example of the problem in all black communities. You talk about white power so much, but Winnie Mandela side others didn't concur to Nelson Mandela. the black community in south africa, whether you want to realize it or not, had a non violent war of leadership. The white supported Mandela folk won without much violence but that was largely in part that people like winnie mandela wouldn't accept going violent. And moreover, the larger point is that, not all black people believe as you do and while your viewpoint allows another black person's viewpoint that doesn't concur to yours to be discarded, that doesn't mean said discarding is warranted. To restate, it always matters how people view themselves, that is where their relationship to others begins.

@Chevdoveremember, Ethiopia is going through an internal war as well as is Egypt.

@Pioneer1 exactly, listen, in NYC even the black hating NYPD admit that violent crimes have gone down from the coranavius era, and to be blunt the biggest increase in crimes during the coronavirus time wasn't street crimes, it was home crimes, domestic violence went up 700% and even worse in some smaller temporal zones during the corona lockdown so... I didn't view that as a black issue, that is a human issue. alot of couples are on false footing and being locked together in the house... made them erupt. but said NYPD admits that thievery is up everywhere. And, i think everyone in the USA knows poverty in nyc isn't a joke. In this very community I posted that the white man says 50% of people in NYC can't afford to feed themselves. so... everybody has to wake up. And then add the busing where thousands who will generate millions of people in the next 40 years are coming into the city with no english, no skills, no money while the city is trying to give them everything, while the people in the city with english potentially, no skills, no money are being told by the same city to lift themselves up by their bootstraps. I comprehend that the black community has always had, I repeat always had a large percentage <not majority> who believe in living by the law. White of the NAACP spoke just like you pioneer in the 1950s living in Harlem. I am not suggesting that I don't comprehend the idea of legality. White people have power over blacks so black people can't provide white people opportunity to abuse blacks by committing illegal acts. But what I have always battled black people in Harlem offline with is the notion that a financially poor person is going to essentially live in the bureaucracies deluge absent attempting illegalities to make money while the city was born from those who committed illegalities. Rockefeller center is named after a white man who is a known killer of white people for his own financial benefit. I mean come on. you gotta be crazy if you think a person will simply accept being fiscally poor and never try the only avenue open to make a dollar. And thus, law officer preston insulted Chicago condition, being so lax. Chicago i argue is worse off than NYC, financially. And chicago is getting bussed people to though media focus on NYC, I will love to know how Chicago and other northern cities besides NYC are handling the busing or "preparing" for the eventual logistics demands of these people. @ProfD yeah, nice try at levity. I hope women remember the people who afford only fans without hurting their rent money aren't stealing cars

@Pioneer1 I remember when the first busing was started and my immediate reaction to offline connections was, just end nyc as a haven city. yeah, Adams will take a hit with voters, but maybe not as much, but he has to do it or nyc will blow up with the number of new people or nyc will spill into the area. Adams like so many in the usa, is a poor leader. He was unwilling to end the haven city but thought the federal government could stop texas and florida from busing, but that was a miscalculation. If Biden was to interfere between state affairs like Adams wanted, Biden would 100% be in trouble the next election. Sequentially, the inevitable happened. Adams has to bus them away. NYC can not accept the worlds poor, no city can. I believe i said this before in this very forum. And, to be fair, while I have always publicly opposed upstate new york, Adams knew this was going to happen. The white people upstate new york have always opposed new york city's non white european wealthy populace entering it outside prisons. Remember all the projects in NYC that people say are blights were originally engineered to be upstate new york. But the whites towns or villages up state new york knew that the projects would change the voting landscape upstate new york. Projects are really cities full of people in a building. But upstate new york won. They were even able to benefit from the presence of prisoners from NYC in their districts with federal dollars while disabling such prisoners to vote. Adams has allies in hochul or biden for various reasons with this push. Hochul will love to demographically change up state new york to reflect nyc more. Biden will love for NY state to be the first major state in the usa to have a non white populace have large voting power outside the cities. Calfiornia or NY or Texas have people not white but most often they are in the cities, the towns are 100% white alot of the times. So, we will see. If upstate new york gets its way, then Adams will be forced to do what I think he should had done from the beginning, again adding it will cost him votes, and that is delete NYC from being a haven city.

I quote Joe Biden at the howard university speech Fundamental questions are at stake for our nation: Who are we? What do we stand for? What do we believe? Who will we be? You're here to help answer those questions https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/13/politics/joe-biden-howard-university-commencement-speech/index.html I quote a black person who served in the usa military and is an ardent integrationist, citizen or civilian of the usa This is sad, The Sacred Mecca of HBCU's allowing him to deliver the commencement address after all the insulting & devaluing things he said about and towards Black folk. SMH, he should not even be allowed to step on campus and should be booed off stage. The two quotes above made me realize I can't recall anyone asking this question. Yes, it predicates if one accepts the idea that the usa is on a perpetual path to identity, which I do not, or can change, which I do not. But, if one accepts the usa is on a path, and said one is black. Then does said person treat the black community in the usa the same? I think if you are said black person,which I am not, you should treat the black community in the usa the same way you treat the usa en masse.

@Pioneer1 yes , I think other black law enforcers in the usa need to learn from this and take off their uniform when they are off duty

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@Pioneer1 Below, after the bold text, are more details from law enforcement that I don't trust. But you shall based on your stated views. I asked again because it seemed to me you were suggesting PReston shouldn't be called stupid for being stupid because you praise her position as a law enforcer. Supporting legal laborers against illegal laborers doesn't mean legal laborers can't be labeled dumb. But absent any other source, the scenario is the following. Preston ended her shift at work, but chose to go home wearing her uniform, which got her killed while was stupid on her part. While walking home a bunch of car thieves, who are trying to feed themselves and their families instead of being homeless or starving, interacted side Preston in uniform and acted accordingly. They fired at her and killed her, took her gun and tried to dispose of the gun and the car. The gun hasn't been found but the car and the car thieves were by law enforcement. And the only reason that was is because Preston wore a The only question I have , which relates to my original point is who saw who first. If what was said is true, the thieves saw the law enforcer first which is good cause that is why you have a four person team, a lookout is needed. Probably the 16 year old. So for me, if the thieves saw preston first they successfully snuck her, which they had to do, and killed her. but, she should had not been wearing her uniform. If Preston saw the thieves first, meaning saw them stealing, not four black teenagers standing around which is not a crime. I learned that she is a club woman, which is a black organization in the usa I blame for many problems in the black community. That partially explains Preston. Black women have always thought of themselves better than they are. https://www.facebook.com/NACWCISU/posts/pfbid031iYERRe6tQ1XFGTwehViW5PHhpcw9THXYPmLMCnffvMBRoGVTUFThBRA4iFXdkvvl here are the description of events from law enforcement Police Release New Details on What Happened the Night Officer Aréanah Preston Was Killed Story by NBC 5 Staff • Wednesday Police released new details Wednesday in the shooting death of Chicago Officer Aréanah Preston, who was shot and killed near her Avalon Park home while returning from work over the weekend. While detailing for the first time what authorities allege happened the night Preston, 24, was killed, police also announced four teens have been charged in connection with the incident. According to police, the shooting started as what is believed to have been a robbery attempt. "These individuals ... in the overnight hours of Friday into Saturday morning ...are connected to multiple robberies and a motor vehicle theft earlier that morning," said Interim Chicago Police Supt. Eric Carter. Preston, who was still in uniform following her shift, was returning home just after 1 a.m. in the 8100 block of South Blackstone Avenue. That's when police alleged at least three of the four teens got out of a stolen vehicle and ran towards the officer while armed. One person allegedly began shooting and Preston returned fire. As gunfire continued she was struck, Carter said. One of the teens then took her gun and the group fled the scene, police said. Police said at least two of the teens fired weapons that night. Preston had been wearing a smart watch, which alerted police to a "traffic crash" in the area. An officer responding to that call ultimately found Preston and rendered aid before a squad car transported her to University of Chicago Medical Center, where she was pronounced dead. Although Preston was not on-duty at the time of the shooting, the department said it will rule Preston's killing as a "line-of-duty death" The car involved in the crime, a red Kia, was set on fire and discovered in the 7200 block of South Rhodes about 20 minutes after Preston was found shot, police said. Trevell Breeland and Joseph Brooks, both 19; Jakwon Buchanan, 18; and a 16-year-old, who will be charged as an adult, face first-degree murder charges, along with additional charges for armed robbery, arson, burglary, possession of a stolen vehicle and unlawful use of a weapon, authorities said. The National Association of Colored Women's Club posted a photo of Preston, saying, "Aréanah was a light who smile brightened any room. She continued to lift as she climbed by serving and protecting her community as a Chicago Police Officer for the last three years." URL https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-release-new-details-on-what-happened-the-night-officer-aréanah-preston-was-killed/ar-AA1b15w2

@ProfD exactly, the usa spends billions of dollars making problems. The USA isn't solving problems in Ukraine, it is making problems. I ask you this, cause I think you set up a great question. Has the usa government ever solved problems? The spending of money doesn't equate to betterment. I will make my case that the usa government doesn't solve problems even with military successes. So called war of independence from the british empire? but the southern states only joined for financial reasons, sequentially the continual battles in one form or another between the south and the rest. Spanish American war- the phillipines and cuba still deal with the vestiges of usa manipulation or connection. War between the state- the modern relationship between natives/blacks/whites were generated in this war and its after and I argue were simply poor decisions. many people talk about white power or agendas and I argue, simple poor management is the key to all this. Lincoln died and between frederick douglass and andrew johnson every single situation was handled very poorly. The World wars plus cold war- the usa manipulated asia/africa/south america terribly, with scores of negative influences. Russia today is a creation of the usa, yes a white country, but the usa has never solved problems for anyone. Has the USA ever solved problems @ProfD? I ask you @Pioneer1 I must say one thing, New York City had a homelessness crisis from the time it was New Amsterdam. Homelessness is a natural to New York City, the myth is that a city this size will not have homelessness in a grand way when it always had homelessness like this. No major city in human history doesn't have a homelessness crisis and the source is simple, it isn't negative bias, it is fiscal reality. For one to have more, more others have to have less. That isn't evil or even greed, that is the reality of fiscal capitalism. Pioneer, you may not know but many black people in NYC are very fiscally wealthy. But when you have three million people, unless you find mountains of gold somewhere... you will have homeless. And in NYC most homeless are latinos, phenotypically mestizo, today. Now, media doesn't focus on that but that is because whites plus blacks in the usa love to see black strife in the media, it allows whites to say blacks are negative and it allows blacks to say blacks are negative.

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815 people died in public spaces in New York City in the year 2023, the largest in NYC's attempts to record. It isn't the largest in the city's history. I am 100% certain higher numbers did that in decades past. Comprehend that NYC has only recently started to count such things. As with all things, the quality of leadership is the issue.

@Pioneer1 call for backup is always an option for a lone law enforcer, always, whether on duty or plain clothes. You disagree? For the record, I want it known I am not on either side of this event. My point, if the description is true that one person approached four, is that the law enforcer acted stupidly. That isn't an insult, that is the truth.

My Reply wait, I listened to the video, she got into a shoot out with four others? Officer preston is a fool, why did she engage? just because your a law enforcer doesn't mean your john wick, cover, hide, call for backup. she got in a gunfight with them:) black cops , amazing. She ain't action jackson. The post

@Chevdove I will answer the question , how will Sudan get better? Elsewhere in this forum I asked about leadership in the black community in the usa, what type of leadership is majority in the black community in the usa and I realize the importance of starting there. Why? How any human groups leaders want to lead is what has to be improved. The people who aren't leading are all talk. The people who are , no matter their quality or style, are key. Cause all people's need leadership. Simply because you need someone or some group to take an idea and push it through all the individual desires in the larger group. What is the majority black leadership in the Black community of sudan? Generals. Ok. Generals are kings without crowns. Kings are generals with crowns. ok Generals do not go by rule of law, they go by rule of arms. Fine. The next question is, where are they failing in their leadership as generals + how can they improve? Well, I see two big problems for the generals of sudan. 1) they all seem to want it all but none have the means to get it all. Nothing is wrong with wanting to win all the spaces in the chessboard but you how long do you play stalemate? 2) none of them have the ability to gain external assistance to win the battle of generals, nor do they have an ally in a nearby general in kemet or aksum, commonly egypt or ethiopia who will aid them. How can they improve ? 1) The simplest but most vital thing is to develop a terms of long lasting peace. I didn't say elected government. The leadership of sudan or anywhere else, doesn't need to change styles but quality. If Rich runs the south east, then its time to make that official. If Troy runs the north east and Chevdove runs the central west it is time to make that official. All were doing is wasting time battling each other when we can't gain ground. None have the means to break the stalemate. So apply the lines on the map. Each general rules in their zone. And then... 2) be better generals. The funny thing about human history is most ideas have been tried, and have examples throughout all humanity of success or failure. The generals in sudan, you each have an army, but where is your logistical chain, where is your supply chain, what are the defenses to your domain? How is your internal management? What is the quality of your soldiers? what about your training for potential new soldiers ?many questions. I bet if I knew those answers for all the generals in sudan, my grade for the replies will be , poor at best. so each need to make a better army which will improve, infrastructure/schools/health. An army is to kill. But, an army kills better when it is fed better, housed better, clothed better, heals better, learns better.

MissARquay replied I think people complain about lack of community effort because they know recognition and the promotion of change requires mass interest and large numbers. So although people are being led by self interest, or what you refer to as hyper individualism, it doesn't stop them from wanting or needing backing. Although I refer to "technologists" as online activists, it's not a bad thing. They bring mass awareness to causes we otherwise wouldn't know about. They also help people to wake up sometimes, so they do their parts. I referred to people as opposed to leaders because I don't know of modern leaders comparable to the ones posted. I think elements of different strategies can go together and be functional. It depends on which ones are used. My response the question is how much backing does a black person in the usa want? if they want the 50 million <floor number> black people in the usa to be together and do something or half of that 25 million or a quarter of that 12.5 million or an eighth of that 6.25 million or a sixteenth of that 3.125 million which is approximately the populace of black people <between floor and ceiling> in the NYC metropolitan area to support or back you as a black individual, what you want will have to be far less to your individual desires. Do you see my point? All human beings want support but , in NYC metropolitan area for example, when black people who are members of the elephants or the donkeys want all black people in the NYC metropolitan area to vote. What do they say? I am American , and voting is vital. The only problem is, with that individualism or sub community <black registered members of the donkeys or the elephants > position is its inherent views of allegiance or love or hope to the USA. Garveyism isn't dead? Militancy isn't dead? How many black people in the NYC metropolitan area consider the NYC metropolitan area a loving place for black people? How many black people in the NYC metropolitan area only miss their loving ones in the area and not the area itself ? My point. Asking people to be engaged in a place they can't stand is dysfunctional. yes? You love the usa, you have hope to the usa, you side other registered elephants or donkeys have love or hope to the USA, great. But what about the majority of black people who never had and do not. And, most black people may not be able to give all names or dates, but most black people know everything from extreme non violence to extreme violence has been tried and everything has failed to make a happy black community in the NYC metropolitan, including voting, let alone the larger USA. So, the black people wanting support for 90% or above voting are complaining every year dysfunctionally. Some black people in NYC metropolitan area want black people to mostly support black business. But again, the average black person is financially poor in the NYC Metropolitan area and the average black business in said area demands market rate and above for goods or services so their customer base is truly only the black one percent or wealthy which exist in the black community in NYCMA but is far from the majority of black people in said area. Only a few Black owned grocery stores exist so most black food businesses are eateries and most black people can't afford the ten dollars or above a plate. I only know one black owned eatery in my section of harlem, harlem has circa 75,000 black people while the average town in the usa complete populace is 7,000 people , provides an affordable scenario for all financial ranges of black people, with quality food. Do you see my point? I hope you see my point. Let's spend online time, communicating the positive or the truth. telling the black majority of people who cant afford to eat at your store to eat at your black owned store is dysfunctional. Telling the majority of black people who have always been , even when we voted in the 90% , harmed and injured by the usa government to act fully engaged for engagements sake is dysfunctional. Black businesses in the NYCMA need to complain that black businesses need to make more affordable products with quality. black elected officials in the NYCMA need to complain that black elected officials don't make policy that changes how black people see the usa. No problem exist in self interest nor wanting help but lets be functional. Let's communicate functionally. I think most black people and i include myself, waste posts wanting what isn't functional. Back to the percentages. a thirty second is 1.5625 million. which is about the black populace of queens + brooklyn combined. A sixty fourth is 0.78125 million which is about the black populace of brooklyn alone. A one hundred and twenty eighth is 0.390625 of a million. We have to go past two hundred and forty sixth and use four hundred and ninety second, which is circa 0.09 of a million or 90,000 to reach a near the black populace of harlem. A populace that is 1000% bigger than the average town but has no governmental representation what so ever. But that 390,625 is doable from the black community in NYC, but many black institutions or agendas have that level of support now in NYC. But if they want more... you can't want it merely for your purposes. it has to be finessed. I can give another example. During the harlem empowerment zone which voted in by a black majority black elected officials, of a harlem back then over 50% black, supported publicly didn't give financial assistance to black businesses in .. harlem. Only one black business got something. Mr Copeland and it was only cause he knew someone. BUT said black elected officials in harlem want black people in harlem to vote with some vigor when they couldn't even help black businesses in harlem when they had all the power in the world too. But what is the point? they didn't want to. They were about themselves. And fair enough, they have the right to want more support. But asking the village to support you while you never support the village... The variance in black individuals self interest will not allow mass support to something that isn't very well constructed, it can't be a generality. ... I comprehend your term technologist, i apologize if I suggested being a technologist is a bad thing. But remember, during the pandemic, white people even admitted than over 80% of black people in the continent of africa were absent the internet ability to live remotely. And I can attest this having been in the financially common places in parts of africa. the point, nothing is bad, but while the internet is helpful to those with it, if you want the larger village to be helped, you go to go offline. Do you see? I know black people from various lands in the continent who love the internet. But, how will that help the majority of people in the land in africa they come from? it isn't about right or wrong but quality of function. I am trying to get their in how i communicate... I comprehend to your point about modern black leaders. In my view, from the description in the poll: Obama is like Douglass or the abolitionist. AL SHarpton is like the black church <I heard him say he wanted his movement to be based in the church>. Sister zakia of harlem who lives in the caribbean is like the garveyites. I think modern examples exist. I will argue, the hebrew israelites are like, not the same but like, nat turner. I think similars exist in black leadership. Now you can say you you disagree or oppose all my assertions to similarity of modern black individuals to black individuals in the past. That's fine. I am not proselytizing to you. One fact, Black leadership in the USA has never had a member who is dominantly rich, can exist in the same financial spheres as the rockefellers of old or the Gates of today. Maybe black leadership never will have such a member, but if it does, that will be an interesting thing. SHirley Chisholm <in my view of the exoduster or tulsa category > before she died said black people must focus financially, she didn't say black people should exodus government altogether but I will assume<I wish someone in news media had asked her> she was stating positions of government beyond black municipality need to be unconsidered or not priorities. And that is clearly the exoduster mentality. The exodusters wanted to be american and live peacefully, nonviolently aside whites or others BUT they were not convinced of any betterment in interaciality in communities. Integration to them was best as integration of segregated communities as part of the usa not a literal integration of white institutions or municipal seats with black people or of racially integrated communities themselves.

@Chevdove fair enough

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Every time i get an external reply of quality to the following post i reposted elsewhere I will add, the reply is after the forum link below The reply I don't see leadership on a broad scale, as far as movements comparable to those of the past. As far as which movements have the most disciples in modern day, I don't think there's a right answer for that. People are likely influenced by a combination of theories or ideals from each. If we're talking activism, I think it has been resigned to social media. A lot of talk and outrage for the internet, but no mobility. my reply @MissArquay hmmm You pose four great questions in my mind. At least as I comprehend your pose. You are saying, I think : the modern black college of leaders are mostly flexible strategically, not firm in any strategy or multi strategist as per a situation while they are also mostly technologist in terms of relating to the masses. But four questions come to my mind. 1) some of the strategies can not be combined functionally. for example. militancy can not be combined to rule of law, so the first question is can leaders be functional if they are mixing ideas that don't mix? 2) in the AALBC post, I have a poll. I don't know if you are a member, it is free:) . But, In the poll I listed various strategies. I think the strategy , in brackets] [ mixed strategy <case by case basis> while technologist in communication]is an option for leaders I didn't state. Technologist meaning, an absence of ground work, offline work, exist for many black leaders. 3) the third question is only because I am uncertain. You referred to people, not necessarily leaders. Are you saying what I call hyper individualism, the leader of self over the leader of the group is the modern majority way. sequentially that is another strategy mix, in brackets [hyper individualist<case by case basis> while technologist <if possible as not all individuals have equal access to tools or resources>] 4) The last question isn't about strategies but relates to said individualism. If , if :), most black leaders in the usa are in truth, black individuals <not just obama or shaprton but you side me> leading our individual selves, then why do we complain about the lack of collective action or cohesiveness in the village? I will explain my question. Hyper individualism isn't negative but it doesn't functionally mix with the idea of black communalism or collectivism at a high quantity. Individual allowance at a high rate can not go hand in hand with collective unity. By default individual allowance at a high rate, not an absence, but a high rate, will create fissures or holes in any collective unity. So the question isn't to undo the individualism you refer to but to reinforce it by rejecting the complaint to collective weakness if the majority body is hyper individual. DO you see my point? I will rephrase. When black people complain why don't we work together more, well the answer is simple, we don't because we don't want the same thing outside of an elemental, betterment. Yeah, The DC Snipers and Barack Obama both want black betterment, but I don't think the dc snipers wanted to become elected officials while obama didn't want to kill his fellow americans. do you see? Black betterment comes in many forms. Do you see my fourth question MissArquay? It isn't that I am trying to suggest you are right or wrong but if you are correct, that the majority of black leadership today in the usa is the individual leading self then the majority of black political discourse online is dysfunctional. Because most black discourse online suggest that black people anywhere need a collective unity of function. But, that can't be true in the usa if hyper individualism is the majority way in the usa for black people. If most people in a group are not strategically aligned then most people in a group complaining that most in the group isn't aligned is dysfunctional:) Citation IN AMENDMENT The idea of this post is to define black leadership in the usa and then relate it to discourse. Debating or discussing in this community, I realize, I too often present thoughts/ideas/strategies that are relevant to particular groups in the black community globally, but do not reflect the relationship between how the black community in the usa in particular is being led. Black communities in countries with a majority black population or regions in a country with a majority non black population are functionally dissimilar to the black community in the usa. Sequentially, the assessment to actions or leadership are too variant to make similar arguments. Jamaica/Congo/makran in balochistan in pakistan or similar countries or regions in a country are situationally to different to the black populace in the usa as a whole or as a part of any state in the union as black people do not make up in modernity any majority population of a state in the usa. Talking about black leadership or strategy in a populace where black people do not have a population advantage except at the tiniest municipal scale: counties or cities in the usa that are majority black can not relate or are dysfunctional to be related to black leadership in a place like haiti or south africa. The question is, what is black leadership in the USA and how should black people communicate in light of that truth. Cause it is clear to me that black people, including myself, in the usa communicate against black leadership in the usa's true self.

@Chevdove exactly, thank you for recognizing the complexity, i think many black people in the usa want it to be easy, or perhaps better convenient. Will you vote?

@ProfD thank you for mentioning black leaders, kamala harris isn't god, can't do everything, but she can do somethings and based on her attorney generalship of california she doesn't have the best ideas.