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Yes, I agree. again, I believe you but the African Mayans were massacred. I agree. No, it's an insult that you completely disregard me in that I told you I have Native American ancestry and so does my husband. Also, my son had a ancestry test--YES!!! lol.

@Michel Montvert You completely skip over the references that I left. LOL. I SAID THE MAYANS YOU MENTION, I believe you BUT they definitely came from A BLACK AFRICAN ORIGIN. I LEFT REFERENCES, you skipped over 500 Nations Documentary--Kevin Cosner Duke University Museum NC STATE Fine Arts Museum Again, I have a degree in science-- BIOLOGY!!! LOL. I studied GENETICS! Yes, I don't believe the others that you stated along with Clyde Winters. I don't believe them one bit. The evidence you put about NATIVE AMERICAN DNA--all of the haplogroups and how you feel they should look like-- is your opinion! NOT FACT BASED AT ALL. If you don't want to believe the Original Mayans and etc. were massacred, it's your opinion. ALL OF THE HAPLOGROUPS YOU STATED ARE OUT OF AFRICA. Anyway, here are some references: ========================================================================= Y-DNA HAPLOGROUPS OF ALL MODERN HUMANS Y-chromosomal Adam is the name given by researchers to the patrilineal most recent common ancestor of all living humans at the root of this tree. Estimates of the date when Y-chromosomal Adam lived have varied significantly in different studies. http://haplotree.info/about/ _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ *MN [My Note]--This is NOT coming from Biblical records. Scientist use the 'informal term BASAL-A for 'Adam' but the dates of the secular research varies from the Biblical Adam. However, the secular research on the Y-DNA correlates to the Bible. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Navigating the yDNA haplotree The Human yDNA haplotree starts with "yDNA Adam" at the base. He is the paternal ancestor of all known humans. https://learnalittleeveryday.wordpress.com/2017/12/11/ydna-whole-chromomsome-testing-the-whats-and-whys-of-familytreednas-bigy-test/ _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ *MN-- So, there are the A0, A00, A1bi... and what this means is that this A HAPLOGROUP reflects more than one male, however, it is the oldest haplogroup, and the earliest A-group would have a specific DNA MARK on the Y-chromosome that has not mutated. All of the A-Group BASAL Mark would be on ALL OTHER HAPLOGROUPS located as the BASE of their chromosomes THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED BASAL-A. But the other haplogroups [except for BT] mutated and these marks show up on their chromosomes. THE MALE YDNA is very stable from father to son. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Archaeogenetics In 2017, researchers successfully sequenced DNA from soil samples taken from Stratum III at El Sidron. They were able to identify Neanderthal mtDNA sequences … The first sequencing of the Neanderthal Y-chromosome was successfully completed from a specimen from Sidron Cave. [17] . . . The Sidron Cave Y chromosome had never been identified before from other fossil hominin specimens and is not found in modern humans. [17] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidr%C3%B3n_Cave *My Note: These Neanderthal fragments in the El Sidon cave as actually said to have been found in 1994. It was stated that there was not enough material to test. So, another technique was used to try and reconstruct the Y-chromosome and then compared it to modern human chromosomes. Because scientists believe that modern humans interbred with Neanderthals, a process called INTROGRESSION was used whereby information from modern YDNA was used so genetic material was transferred to the material from the Neanderthal AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL OF THE HAPLOGROUPS YOU MENTIONED ARE OUT OF AFRICA!!! lol.

@Cynique I have not read about it but, I would be interested to know. When I visited the Smithsonian, I did see Lucy in the exhibit but it was a few years ago. So, if this find is valid, it will probably be information that will be added. The mtDNA research is more complex than the male haplogroups because the Y-DNA can be traced with 99.99 percent accuracy from father to son.

@Michel Montvert Yes, this is true and I have many times provided references many times. All MODERN HUMANS STEM FROM JUST ONE AFRICAN MALE INDIVIDUAL. ALL OF THE INTERNATIONAL SCIENCE COMMUNITY AGREES ON THIS. IT IS A FACT. ALL MODERN HUMANS STEM FROM JUST ONE AFRICAN INDIVIDUAL and this report was published, I believe in 2012, however, all of the scientific internation organizations agreed on this in 2008. It took them until 2012 to finally publish. It's hard for most of the non-White world to accept this, but eventually, they're going to have to, because it is confirmed. Now, I will point you to the resource; this GENOME PROJECT was headed up in STANFORD UNIVERSITY. ALL MALE HAPLOGROUPS HAVE JUST ONE ORIGIN!!!! Now, this is NOT the same for the mtDNA. The mtDNA of females CAN be traced much farther back in time and there are more than one individual origins. So, I will say it again, if there were NO AFRICAN MALES IN ANCIENT NORTH AMERICA, then all Native Americans would be either females or intersexed. Nothing prior to the modern anatomically straight YDNA haplogroups were males, only intersexed. So the primitive hominids that you refer to were not modern humans at all. Were they here on earth, absolutely, but they were not anatomically straight males with any YDNA haplogroups of any modern males today. Then theyse Mayans were not the original ones then, because many of the original Mayans that were killed off, were definitely African-typed. The ones you speak of, I would not disagree in that they are Mayan though. i have given you the facts. Now, were the early American Indians intersexed--absolutely. There is no such presence of anatomically straight malefactors defined as Native Americans prior to the presence of African males. NONE!!! Then they would not have any haplo-groups. They'd be intersexed. I don't ascribe to this either. The Olmec heads, I believe they were African, but I've seen this debunked based on just the depictions of the stone heads. There needs to be publications, references as well. Clyde Winters, I believe was the one from Illinois college that was debunked on the Olmecs, I vaguely remember. and the others you mentioned I know of too and you are wrong. Their statements preceded the Scientific International community completely. ALL MODERN MANKIND STEMS FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL, ONE AFRICAN MALE INDIVIDUAL. ALL MALE HAPLO GROUPS STEM FROM THIS ONE MALE. Prior to this, the Neanderthals were all intersexed or females. To date, there is absolutely NO YDNA found of Neanderthals. NONE. Their DNA is compared with primates because there is NO Y-DNA extracted from any samples to date. They were obviously reproducing, however, NO ANATOMICALLY STRAIGHT MALES EXIST. NONE.

This seems true, but I just don't understand why. Why don't African people unify and close their borders or at least regulate them and be more conservative. But then too, I am pessimistic. I don't believe that even for the few that I believe do try to unify and stop foreign domination, I don't believe that they will ever succeed as a whole. They will always be outnumbered by the Africans that are obssessed with non-African countries and have a lot of self-hate. For the few that are grateful to exist as they are, African, they will have to wait on a higher power. Don't misunderstand me @ProfDI strongly believe as you do, that Black people should defend and fight back, but I also believe that we should accept the reality that more Blacks are obssessed with White people and will fight you back harder than White people to be submissive under White Supremacy. Yes, I too believe in this too @Michel Montvertbut I am a little pessimistic that it will happen anytime soon, to the point that it will be affective. I think it is too much dissention in the midst and those of us who want to bond togehter and stop the top government from oppressing us as masses will always be undercutted by someone who will sellout. This really frustrates me. And then, when it comes to Black people, we have always been the security to be on the bottom, no matter what and opportunist can join our fight and then when things start to improve, it seems Black people get left behind. As I mention to you in another thread, my late father-in-law is Native American, and although I love him dearly and I knew he loved me and his son, my husband, however, the fashion in which he exploited Black people is unbelievable. The American Indians were not able to organize AIM until AFTER AAM. But evenstill, I am not usually the kind of person that worries about sellouts, if I feel a cause is just, I don't care who jumps, in, imo, they are in. if they sellout, I will roll with the punches... until humanity gets better or I die with that hope. Now, I don't believe things will change without help from a higher power, but I'm all in on doing my part until that kind of help comes. LOL. True!

so true @Michel Montvert This system definitely benefitted from setting up caste system however, it amazes me how the prisons are also filled with White people and sometimes, I think their issues are silenced. Just recently a video went viral and all over the world about a police beating and it was a White man. It is so bad, that I cannot watch it. but this is one video:

Thank you a lot @Cyniquefor this! I am so amazed at your genious so, I really value what you have said.

Yes, thanks for commenting. I love the man that was interviewed and hope that men like him can make a difference because the fashion in the way the men beat up those women was unbelievable. I was so happy to see that the other women were brave and came to the rescue. At the end of the video, the man said that right at the time that he was talking, the Chinese government blocked the CNN interview!OMG! They shut down the newscast so the people in China would not see it. Then I read on in the article and it said that the men actually continued to beat up the women in the nearby alley! The authorities responded that there was a brief time when activity did occur in the alley but they also claim that it was not bad. They claim the women were not badly harmed but other videos showed that the two of them were really bad off. I am so happy that the Chinese people are not being bullied altogether, but as you have said, they were born into this reality. Thank you for commenting. WOW! Han? What about MANDARIN? Is that different from Han? I thought the Mandarin language was the main one being pushed. Yes, I have just recently seen newsbreaks about how the Uighurs are being marginalized. In fact, I always hear about them.

That is absolutely insane @Michel Montvert as if I don't know my own family history. But also, I studied science and have a degree in science. Without the presence of any African malefactor, there can be absolutely no males in this entire earth. The origin of all modern mankind stems from one African individual. So without any presence of any Africans in the entire continents of the Americas, then all of the Indians would be intersexed. The Mayans you see today do not reflect the genocide of the Mayans when the White Europeans came. I have visited the museums in Duke University and also the Fine Art museum near NC State university and WOW, the original Mayans are mindblowing. They express many different traits and colors but the dominant presence of black/bronze and very black skinned is the major theme. Oh, and you spoke against the late Ivan Van Sertima, but he is by far not the only historian that shares a lot of information on the early African presence in the Americas. I love the documentary by Kevin Cosner of '500 Nations' and in this is presented a lot of 'African-typed' deep dark skinned Native Americans in Alabama, Georgia, etc. About 30 years ago, I read a book 'The Morning Star' [?] and the Native American author wrote about how the Europeans killed off about 90% of the Indians in the 13 colonies and the residue they attempted to ship to the Carribeans withing a 10 year timespan. This was all done before 'the Manifest Destiny'. I've done a lot of research on the dominant African presence that defines the indigenous native peoples of the Ancient Americas. Oh yes, and the early Chinese presence too, has some fascinating history here as well.

Male Dominant Cultures? A Viral Video of Chinese Women Victims I hope this video is okay to post. Viewer discretion advised. I could only watch it once. I think that being in a multi-cultural environment has its' benefits when I hear about these stories. I hope that by the people in China shining the light on this situation will help. I feel that when a culture or government allows this sort of horror to go improperly punished, then eventually the whole world will be affected. HERE'S AN ANECDOTE -- THERAPY -- A Short-- of A Powerful Protective Lion With Cubs Oops, I meant Powerful Protective Lioness

lol My husband is Native American and he is 'a Negro'. And, I definitely have Native ancestry that goes way back before Columbus. I don't understand how you can mention the Mayans and not see any connection with Africa.

Nothing is wrong with this picture, imo. @Cynique You do more than dangle under the radar, you engage in many topics that humanity deals with today and offer much insight. I wish I could experience some of the things you have mentioned. Although, I don't owe the IRS now, I have endured that in the past and it was so stressful. I don't know of anyone that have experience life as you have. I only wish. I remember the late Doris Day, saying that she lived a wonderful life, May she RIP. I was a longterm Substitute Teacher a while back for a couple of ELA classes [English and Language Arts], and I found it amazing that today, students deal with a semester of learing about the topic, DYSTOPIA SOCIETY. They learn today that it is impossible to live in a Utopian society and only a few brave young Protestant White males have disagreed.

Yes, I absolutely agree. Well said.

Absolutely. Yes, @Michel Montvert My college Jamaican friends and other Caribbean friends have caused me to know this term. It was many years ago when I studied this term, but I think it connects to the East Indian slave trade and also I know of Black Cubans who are associated with this term.

@Michel Montvert Thank you for the breakdown. All of these terms sort of 'give me a headache though'! Adding to my confusion of the whole idea of whatever the complete meaning of socialism is, you then brought up other terms that I usually see in these topics too, such as Liberalism and Leftist, etc. OMG! What do they mean to the point where I can understand!? What in the world is a 'leftist, a 'rightist', etc. What in the world to Black people in concentration bend towards, if any? It sounds like some kind of movement that occurred in association with politics. Oh yes, you said a new one, I have never heard of 'demosocialist'. WOW! What in the world! absolutely!

@daniellegfny Yes, due to our origins here in America, I absolutely agree in that Black people have a terrible and unique situation pertaining to this subject. And I agree to, with this statement very much "Many Black fathers have driven Black women to have abortion because of their pride." But also, many Black fathers hit and run too, leaving the Black woman alone to deal with her babies. But this statement, I have much frustration: The way millions of orphans and adopted children have. Black foster children are not adopted that often and grow up in group homes of which, imo does not help to build healthy black individuals that even know how to build a healthy family environment. How can they, if they haven't been structured in one themselves. So orphaned Black children only perpetuate the problem, as you stated, of coming from broken family structure. In the story I gave, the father would not allow the mother to give the child up as well, as you also said, due to pride. So the woman was stuck and the poor child was stuck. Thank you for posting this topic. It is a tough subject, but one that all Americans should deal with if we want to repair past mistakes.

AfroAmericans dealing with Police Brutality Incidences & and Now This! -- The FBI Raided A Black Organization in Connection With Russia & Russian Propaganda Why in the world would African Americans start a minority socialist party today!? This video topic, two of them, kept popping up into my channel and although I kept deleting it, it still continue to pop up. I was SO NOT INTERESTED in certain aspects of it, especially the socialist aspect of it. I'm thinking--Why in the world would an African American want to be associated with a socialist party today!? Honestly, I do not completely understand the concept and how it compares to Communism either. Nevertheless and apparently a few weeks ago, a group of African Americans organized a socialist party a few years back and the headquarters is in St. Louis, Missouri, however, this group has other branches too, in certain areas of America and now, they are upset and angry because they have just been raided by the FBI for their apparent association with some Russian person who has allegedly been charged with using this group to feed Russian propaganda into America and undermine American Democracy and mess with Americans to cause them to vote in a certain way that again, undermines American democracy. Some of the statements the group, known as UHURU, leaders say is that they were not influenced by this Russian man and that they did not accept any money, and they were surprised and upset that they had been abruptly raided. But, I don't know if I agree because, on the other hand, some of the spokespersons did say things like they had been flown over to Russia back when they started this organization! Then I heard statements about 'Michael Brown' being shot and Reparations and statements made about the colonial empire, etc. IMO, just because some secret group tells you that America has exploited you as an African American DOS and offers you funding so that you will have some sort of 'reparation' and a chance to have money you never had before and then you start a group that is similar to their agenda, doesn't mean that they mean you any good. Darn it--I don't even know if I retained enough about American history in school, why in the world would I embrace another big government like Russia if I haven't even been in a formal class to learn about their government? *DEMOCRACY NOW-- This the actual video that kept popping up into my channel. The leader 'Omalia' lives in St. Louis, Missouri where the headquarters was set up, supposedly. I don't think he agrees with the Democratic Party either. I heard him say that the Democrats are using principles that are not in line with the past definition of their party.

@daniellegfny So true. I agree very much however, how can a baby thrive if the mother does not want to give birth and is then forced to do so? I know of a Black American who told me that his mother told him that, although she submitted to the man in marriage, however she conceived him in an abusive situation and therefore did not want to have him. She then tried to give him away after birth but could not find any takers, so he lived a terrible neglected, abandoned and abusive life.

How ironic! Most of Europe was racing for America during the colonial days. Now America has gotten fat with trade power, then eventually it has gotten a little lean, therefore... off to Africa... again! It seems like America and many other countries have turned back and are now racing for Africa. But it seems like Africa has endured this racing and competition for control over it before though. Really!?

Thank you @ProfDI don't like comin at the brothas, but some times... I love that Dr. Leroche mentioned the Ma'at cross but I think at times, it's hard for many men [all men of different cultures] to accept that women too, can go to school and learn and discuss certain topics like science and math.

This can have other deeper meanings too, though. I feel that it times, some people don't fear big black men, because of the systematic suppression that have caused many of them to not be a threat anymore in some circumstances. So, it can be sort of like an insult and mockery. So it depends on what type of cultural background you come from that causes you to not be afraid, whereas another person might be. I also feel that our educational system is behind all of this issue as well and many Black people may not realize that this type of fear goes way back before America, times in history whereby there were predominantly 'Black' armies that did conflict with White force and this has led to deep-seeded hatred towards Black people and many Black people here in America are not aware of it and don't know why some White people seem to hate us so much with no apparent valid reason. I think that sometimes, Black people are victims of the Stockholm Syndrome and at times, may be willing to defend racist even against the kind of White people that have went all out and fought for our freedom and this too, plays into the craziness that is going on today. These few police that are killing Black people would be affectively dealt with, I feel, if Black people would utilize the help from others that agree that this is not normal. Anyway, thanks for your comment!

@Cynique Last night, I watched an old film, the Tempations! It is one of the few films that I can actually get approved in the schools to show because a lot of 'black-centered' films I want to show to my predominantly Black school teens have too much subject matter that the schools will not approve. For my predominantly White and 'other students' I can choose a lot that will be approve though. Anyway, I'm digressing... The Temptations, film is one of my favorites and I go back and forth of which actor is my favorite. The actor that plays Eddie Kendricks is awesome. And then I love Leon. And you're right too, about Philip Bailey, there is nothing odd about him having a high pitched musical voice! Switch too, is another of my favorites. Their straight hair is in their DNA! LOL.

Come on @Pioneer1You are taking my beliefs lightly. You are joking about my research and now, you are trying to act like it's not a big issue. You are being condescending. Dr. Daniel Leroche spoke about Ma'at and it was such an amazing video. Nick Johnson published a wonderful video and highlighing issues here in America about how black people have been marginalized in Floridian communities. Then Dr. Leroche says that we need to go back to the earliest civilizations of Egypt and here, you post this ugly picture of a White Cave man and say that Moses was born and told by God to help them-- You are cutting up true history with your beliefs and you know that is very offensive to me due to my tireless effort to share my research on this subject. yes, here you are clearly mocking me. I am not amused.

No. The Egyptians Calendars are based on astronomy. Their Calendars therefore, can be used today to correctly date their historical records. Based on NASA today, the variations given by other modern day scholars and their discrepancies have been well documented and I definitely hope to share more about this as well. In fact, I've already address this several times but, as this 'correct dating' issue is a passion of mines, I believe it is important to address it constantly to show how historical records have been accurately dated to match today's Calendars. All ancient civilizations are defined by 'record keeping' and ancient Egypt is one of the most amazing recorded civilizations of all time; that is why the Bible begins with this civilization. That is why I love this video of Nick Johnson and in how he chose to interview Dr. Daniel Leroche who spoke about ancient Egypt. Where's your reference @Pioneer1? 4000 - 2022 = 1,978 B.C. The Biblical Moses was not even born at this time!!! This is your opinion!!! Stop pushing your opinions on others. Again, if you speak of another HISTORICAL MUSE then, this is not the topic at hand! And give a reference about your version of this historical Muse/Moses. You way off target. Prove it! I have given you references one of which is the late IVAN VAN SERTIMA and the late DR. HIBBARD of whom published topics about this very time period and, I have written extensively about it as well. The end of the 18th Dynasty and the beginning of the 19th Dynasty of the Ramesses have scientific phenomena that absolutely agrees with the catostrophies detailed in the Bible. At that time!!??? No, not at that time in Egypt! There are not mountains in Egypt along the Nile river.

@Pioneer1 So much for BLACK UNITY, HUh!? So much for HIGH INTELLECT FORUM, here Huh!? So what @Troyhas provided by starting this community will never be regarded as a place where Black people and others can come and engage in topics that involve scholarship and respectful RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. As a Black person who loves to research and share information based on dates, timelines and references, I cannot do that here because I have to realize that in Black communities we have to tolerate mockery, joinin, and ridicule, etc. Pioneer, we have already had extensive engagement on this topic and now, you are trying to dominate and control me and push your viewpoints with NO reference about your version of what you believe about the Bible, Moses, the EXODUS and Caucasian mountain people. You are attacking my beliefs with no references. I started this thread and here, you come into it and post this disgusting picture of a White caveman to reintroduce you ridiculous beliefs about 'a God that would create wild raw meat eating White men in which he sent Moses up into the caucasus mountains to give them the Ten Commandments. If you want to argue this point with @franksterin the other thread that you started then why do it here too!? Here, I posted a picture of this beautiful young man, A White man, Nick Johnson and express my appreciation for all mankind who are willing to acknowledge issue of racism and White Supremacy and you want to push your stupid belief in that 'White men come from a White Adam and Eve and the Bible was written for white people'. I do not believe that. Stop pushing your beliefs on me. @Pioneer1 Once again, since you have attempted to push your warped beliefs without any references, I will address them WITH REFERENCES [General references] and provide dates in hopes that you can either accept the referenced confirmation of historical records or just respectfully disengage from badgerring me. I believe that you may not receiving my references because you are not willing to let go of your beliefs and therefore attacking me out of this kind of arrogance or gender arrogance. You can't take it coming from a female perhaps. This is one issue that I am frustrated with, even with my husband at times. This I too sometimes believes is the problem with 'the Black Church'. Instead of correcting Black men, other black men will handle each other with 'kid gloves' and as a result, Black women are constantly suppressed. Nevertheless, in this community, you have been challenged affectively by some of us in this community as I read in a recent thread that @Delanostarted about Black women and men: @Cynique wrote: Posted Wednesday at 08:25 PM Suffice to say I don't agree with your OPINIONS. That's all you're expressing. Babble on. Posted Wednesday at 09:02 PM On 8/17/2022 at 8:02 PM, Cynique said: We have very little in common because of the huge age gap Exactly which is why it's called a generation gap. We are part of the same era but we come from different generations. @Delano wrote: ...You're using the Western concept of generation and I'm using a universal concept. You can't have a productive discussion if you have your own definitions of words. Maybe forget about having a"High Intellect Forum" until you can use standard or widely accepted definitions of terms. Please note I am not saying you have to change, but doing so would facilitate clearer communication. Unless obscuration is part of your strategy in discussions @Troy Responded to your quote and wrote: Posted Thursday at 09:24 AM On 8/17/2022 at 8:16 PM, Pioneer1 said: ANY GENERATION YOU'RE LIVING IN IS YOUR GENERATION I'm sorry man it does not work that way. You are identified with the generation your were born into. I, for example, am a young baby boomer. most of my children are millennials, and kids born this century are Gen Z. Get it? And then, @ProfD wrote: osted Thursday at 11:29 AM … If there is an age difference of 20 years or more, it's a different generation. IMO, it's a very cool thing to have generational separation because it gives us a living historical perspective. So, @Pioneer1 I really appreciate this thread and hope that you understand, especially what Delano said: You can't have a productive discussion if you have your own definitions of words. Maybe forget about having a"High Intellect Forum" until you can use standard or widely accepted definitions of terms. Please note I am not saying you have to change, but doing so would facilitate clearer communication But again, I will address your comments here about Egypt and Ma'at and etc. and if you don't agree, I can accept this but I hope that you will stop badgering me and trying to force you unsupported beliefs on me.