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@Pioneer1 Really? Do you know where--what state--this occurred? That's crazy. Shouldn't that be illegal? That's not funny, for sure. What a jerk.

So true. Yes, and although, some of the division does also have to do with opportunity! I some cases we as Black people cause divisions but it also has to do with intrusions into our environment.

@Pioneer1 You are NOT looking at the bigger picture. So, maybe my constant anguish may help to understand what I mean: Some years ago, 'I was drugged through the mud' so-to-speak by a lot of evil hateful Black women who put out false allegations against my husband and me. The judge was a Black woman and she cross the state lines to seize my children and had me and my husband jailed. An attorney I hired said that this woman, [and other Black women] hated me NOT MY HUSBAND BUT ME even though they never knew me. After a very long time, I was able to get media to expose the cover up that they seized my children with no evidence but tried to get my children to lie after they seized them to support their reasons. We were completely denied a court process until we got media coverage. Then, in court my attorney threw down a stack of PEDIATRICIAN REPORTS and said on record THE JUDGE NEVER SUPOENAED ANY MEDICAL RECORDS, etc. None of the allegations were founded. NO CHARGES WERE EVER APPLIED. However, we were never able to get back into court to sue for thousands of dollars we spent to prove this kind of abuse. Now, Pioneer, all of the BLACK WOMEN in the court and social services [except for my relatives] that conspired to break up our family were single Black women, never married and no children. This judge has many times spoke about how she hated her father. She hates black men. But, she hated me--NOT MY HUSBAND--she blames me for being with a Black man. Nevertheless, I said all of this to say that I was and still am completely powerless due to this kind of Black-on-Black Hatred because it is the White System that gives these kind of Black women this kind of power to hurt Black families and Black people. This judge resides over FAMILY COURT but she never has been married nor has any children. This goes back for thousands of years... Black-on-Black violence stems from White Supremacist systems that have been allowed to set up on the back of Black conflict that becomes escalated. So to focus on Black-on-Black violence and NOT realize the bigger picture will never help solve this problem. It will end though, but not until White Supremacy has been dealt with completely. That aspect has to be removed first. Until then, what can we do? Behind those hateful BLack women the entire time was a bunch mocking non-Black women who were loving the fact that our babies were ripped away from us on complete lies that they knew were indeed LIES. I am still very angry about that too. They said some evil things to me.

I AM EXCITED! I am waiting now for my book that I just purchased from this community: BARRACOON by Nora Neale Hurston. Oh, I am so excited. This book is my passion. My ancestor--my Great grandmother was stolen from East Africa many years after the Slave Ship Trade was supposed to be outlawed! Like this book, which is about a man who was stolen from West Africa and survived the voyage in 1860 and lived to tell his story, likewise my Great grandmother lived to be old. Her story was passed down through my relatives and she lived to be 'just' over 100 years old. One of my aunt who knew her, just died last year! And, I learned a lot about my Great grandmother from her and others. So, I am looking forward to reading Barracoon! WHAT AM I READING RIGHT NOW!? Well although this author is NOT African American, however, for right now, I am reading his book and it is amazing! The book is called A Dwelling Place by Erksine Clarke. It is about slavery in Georgia. He is a Harvard Graduate and his book won awards. It's so hard to put down. I have read about 400 pages into the total 600+ pages.

Yes, @Troy This is so true but, do you think that some of the eurocentric standards upheld is due to many Black people too? True again. BOOKS need to be written on these subjects. Oh, and to add to this point! Even though it is NOT well received when the messengers are sometimes NOT Black women speaking about HAIR, nevertheless, I believe that this is a subject that others should also address as well because we all in some way have been affected by negative standards about Black women's hair styles and Black traits (in general) and need a catharsis process.

Yes, I do believe that there is justice somewhere in this world; that is my hope too, that in this case, justice will be served. I just read that president Trump spoke up for the friends and family, and I am very glad about that. He also said to expedite the investigation! Also, because of the national outcry, the Police head urged the attorney to arrest that former police man, but as of yet, I don't think he has been arrested.

Well, maybe. I guess it depends on how it is delivered. Truely, I understand why you would ask this question because of Colorism even within our Black world. GOOD QUESTION! Again, I think it depends. This questions kind of goes along with what Pioneer1 wrote about how White media controls us--and you too pretty much said the same thing! I think that at times, when Black people become confident about our own traits, then the White system steps in and tries to control it again--manipulate us. So, if this same White System wanted to use Gabourey, then she would be acknowledged for giving this message. At any rate, she sure is pretty!

@Maurice I sure hope so.

Ah! @Troy The National geographic is a reliable source and would NOT support lies but rather support scientific data. Their title has substance whether or not you believe it. It would be absolute truth that no one on earth is full Neanderthal. No scientist believe that because they see the data. However, their title goes into depth about 'Part-Neanderthal' and 'Hybrid Vigor'.

OMG This is crazy!! ROFL! I guess that is why, today, Walmart posted a banner outside about what is NOT allowed in their store! They will only allow manufactured face mask. No bandanas No homemade mask No scarves But a White man came in behind me with a bandana and he was not stopped. I can't stop laughing. Oh God, I am literally crying. I don't know what looks the craziest, the man with the horse mask... I don't know how the cashiers kept a straight face.

Well, yes, and what about Minneapolis!? Georgia!? The Mayor in Minnesota spoke out and there were four police that have been fired, but I am still very stressed about this. Why can't they lock the perpetrator up?

Hey @Troy! My answer to this question; Absolutely not. I watched the video and she did a perfect job in this brief explanation! Her complexion did not stop her from the deep issues of Colorism as it applies to issues about 'Black Hair'. Thank you @Pioneer1! Yes, this is an extremely important topic that always peaks my interest. Actually, I feel that you explained it so well in your comment about how media uses women like Beyonce to define Black African American women today. But as far as being 'fashionable on the terms of White America's approval today'; I am not sure I believe that. I think that because 'Black Hair' is our DNA, a dominant aspect, that links to our African origins, no matter how White Supremacist has had movements against our traits such as hair as being negative, however, they cannot keep it up continually. So at times, I believe that certain Black African-type people will reject the lie and others have no choice but to follow along and agree that unique African traits are indeed present and beautiful. Maybe at the point when White Supremacist recognize they cannot convince a majority Black people to believe they have 'Bad Hair' then, they perhaps attempt to make it seem that they are the ones that are ones that started the awareness. No, I think the awareness of Black Beauty starts with someone or some group within our own kind at some point. I believe that there are a lot of White people who join in though, and acknowledge this reality and are just as indignant against the negative hype against African people as well.

Wow! Come on @Troy! European Americans of this system, that are not recent immigrants, did NOT have their family structure broken byway of chattel slavery, therefore they are the direct descendants of the past! Obviously, you're right about complexion but it is more than that because it is inheritance. This government has admitted that they have performed HISTERECTOMIES unknowingly on Black African American women! They have admitted that they secretly did not give medicine to Black African American men who had venereal diseases. And this is the very same system that set up about 400 years ago and celebrate THANKSGIVING and COLUMBUS DAY to confirm this. So, obviously, these Americans today are the same descendants that come from their ancestors that deliberately gave gifts to the Natives of infested blankets with the smallpox and wiped out --completely-- many tribal people!!! This smallpox movement was implemented all throughout North and South America! European Americans today are benefactors of many movements of human sacrifice of an ethnic populations being targeted and violently attacked and wiped out. No this is not the point because there were many European Americans that were always against chattel slavery and fought hard to abolish it. The point is that this government still has this kind of theme present amongst us today. The kind of European Americans that did do this kind of harm still exist among others that would never do this obviously. So, should we just ignore this and have blind trust?

Wait a minute--Why would they NOT want to re-open!? That makes no sense to me. Our economy seems to be very bruised and this does not seem to be good for them as Republicans either.

@Pioneer1 Okay, ROFL! Maybe I should have used the same title that she did, "Quarantine Outfits" or maybe use the word CORONAVIRUS QUARANTINE PAJAMAS! Is this what it means to click-bait!? Well, since I cannot give you a refund, I will have to make some other kind of amends, perhaps later. Really!? That's a new one for me. I am now wondering why. Do tell.

I do plan to look into the Bookshop Affiliate program first and then look into this book. Since this forum is for Black Literature, then would that be a reason that you won't list this book? Just wondering. Wow, @Troy i just re-read your first post and just caught this: This is enlightening; your realization of Homo sapien vs Homo neanderthalensis as separate species. But also, I would like to clarify too. I am questioning scientist on what they report about their findings on Neanderthals. Neanderthals MRCA--the Denisovans, I would say yes, they are definitely extinct. "Neanderthals are still among us rather than being extinct as all the current scientific data tells us." The current scientific data tells us that mostly all Europeans and Asians carry about 2% to 3% Neanderthal DNA and have traits--visible traits but, however they conclude that Neanderthals are extinct; yet in specific titles of articles published by National Geographic and etc, they say "Why Am I Neanderthal" and "Most people are Part-Neanderthal ...Hybrid vigor". https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/neanderthal/ https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/10/04/most-people-are-part-neanderthal-that-may-be-a-protection-against-viruses

Oh Wow, @Troy it sounds very interesting!

Oh my gosh! @Troy The two picture references clearly show these White/European 'boys' men that you posted do NOT have nappy hair! Plus, I have already researched the first one you listed and he confirmed that he has PERMED his hair!!! He is a well known artist many times featured on the PBS channels. And likewise the second pic you posted shows curly hair. Again, this famous artist featured on PBS channels admits that he chemically PERMS his hair!!! Nappy hair--bushy hair--kinky hair-- frizzly hair... is exclusively the DNA of ORIGINAL AFRICAN PEOPLE. And I repeat, YOU WILL NEVER FIND A WHITE EUROPEAN WITH NAPPY HAIR!!! LOL. I know that the Basal A Y base haplogroup would be the DNA MARKER for this Nappy hair and because genes tend to travel in pairs and it linked to melanin, this NAPPY HAIR GENE will only remain with the Original African people. No. Absolutely not. Not always but because genes tend to travel in pairs, it would be pretty easy to see a Black African-typed man like youself and pretty much know that you had either nappy hair or a COMBINATION HAIR TYPE, meaning a mixture of bushy type and/or curly type hair!!! And, a European/White man who is bald would never have had nappy hair at all! Black AFrican American men who show patterns of baldness are dominant in East Africa for a significant reason and I hope to share my research on that one day. These type of Black men also tend to have daughters with a beautiful head of 'combination-type hair'. As I told you before, baldness is an incredible 'blessing' and again, I hope to share my research on that one day. Why? Because of White Supremacy which is more dominant than the well meaning Eurpean population! That's why. the minority European scholars are acting 'scared chicken' and are afraid to go against their government and print the truth about Neanderthal origins like they know that they should do. So, they spend a lot of wasted time getting together on an 'international level' and getting approval for what the big governmenst will allow to be publicized and what they won't allow to be publicized. That's why. It took them years before they even reported about their findings on Neanderthals for what they did allow. And when they did, they mixed in a lot of Bullsh*** about mtEve and a lot of other useless stuff. But it's their soul. It's hard for them all to admit that they come from 'ONE' origin and that of an African male!!! That is the origin of ALL MODERN MALEFACTORS today with the Straight Y-dna haplogroups. PERIOD. Neanderthal were intersexed and their Ydna has not been mapped but we know they were here, we know they reproduced with females. I dont believe that I cherry picked science. and, a lot of scientist 'reject' certain findings for specific reasons.

A CORONOVIRUS STORY from a New Yorker & Coronavirus Quarantine Lingerie So, I subscribed to Chizi and so far, I really enjoy this young lady’s channel. Some of my favorites are how she styles her hair. However, because of so much hardship that has been concentrated in New York, I was so happy to find that she published her account and experience with this fast-developing story about this horrible Coronavirus pandemic. My most appreciated response from her was towards the end of this video when she addressed African Americans and people of African descent. I have been checking out her videos from time-to-time for relief and a brief period of respite from a stressful world and for me, her videos are sort of therapeutic. For this reason, too, I am also sharing her brief video on CORONAVIRUS QUARANTINE LINGERIE first because it made me laugh. She titles this video QUARANTINE OUTFITS. I love it when she abruptly goes into her Nigerian accent. Many times, African people tell me that they absolutely love the African American accent. This one Nigerian friend of mine who had lived in UK for years once said to me of our accent, “Girl, it is WICKED!” Lol. So, my feelings about Nigerian accent is on this same wise.

Hey @Troy I agree, however, I presented three other sources, one of which was National Geographic. And, again, I already address this point completely, and that is my very position in which I did say that as of now, you won't find that statement in 2020 from scientist right now. My position as repeatedly been that based on what they have indeed reported, I believe that they will NOT report or admit their complete findings. The title of the other references that I did report such as "Why Am I Neanderthal" and "Most people are part-Neanderthal" and "Hybrid vigor" supports my argument very much so! My previous statement addresses the point that I am trying to make here. As I also stated, these traits that are still being reproduced today after thousands of years supports my argument in that scientist are NOT telling us the whole truth. I mention the study of Population Genetics, the definition of Species previously to support my argument. Troy! Like I said, I just wanted to address this topic because of my area of study and so, as you said earlier about Pioneer, it's not that I have not explained myself but perhaps you are not willing to respect that a person like me could be valid, so I just want to make sure that I have the opportunity to say this first because I believe that one day scientist will make this very claim and then perhaps you will accept it. For you to believe that I do NOT know what "extinct" means after I provided an argument based on me telling you that I do have a degree in Biology and understand the Scientific Method and have applied this principle means that you are disregarding me no matter what I present. But, no, I am not offended and am very happy that you gave me this audience. For that I say, thank you very much! I never implied, ever!--that people with these traits are Neanderthal, that has never been my point. You may be jumping to your own conclusions. But no, people that show certain traits does not necessarily means that they are homo sapiens either based on my argument because I believe certain phenotypes may show a degree of "blending" or "hybridization" that we homo sapiens exhibit but also with regards to "hybridization" that means that scientist today are NOT telling us the whole truth. The presence of "Hybridization" suggest that their is still another "species" present in some type of population--somewhere existing amongst us in this earth, imo. No, that's crazy. Oh absolutely!!! Troy, when you hear news reports about "suspects" and they are described as having "Nappy Hair' then this Phenotypical trait absolutely means that if you ran a DNA test, they will 100% show that they have "African traits"!!! Modern Humans are NOT the origin of certain traits that Neanderthals posses at all. The origin of the "thick brow ridge" is purely a Neanderthal trait and not all of us Modern humans have this trait. Just like the trait of expressing nappy hair, YOU WILL NEVER SEE A WHITE EUROPEAN WITH THIS TRAIT of Nappy hair!!! Never. You will see all of us humans showing a degree of a BLENDED TRAIT such as curly hair or wavy hair, but only indigenous African-typed people can express the AFRO!!! Oh yes you can!!! If you observe someone that is SEVERELY MENTALLY RETARDED then you can be sure that their DNA will comfirm this type of observation!!! Now that is the truth! You can never determine the whole story based on phenotype! I agree. As one science report stated, today we humans only exhibit part of Neanderthal traits, never the whole. Again, I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to express my opinions. And BTW, I am African-typed and I express nappy hair, but Hey!--I love my freckles! And I don't see anything negative about them at all.

Okay, Here is another reference source on NEANDERTHAL ANATOMY from Wikipedia: This post agree with my firstreference source from Ancestry Genealogy Distinguishing physical traits The large number of classic Neanderthal traits is significant because some examples of paleolithic and even modern Homo sapiens may sometimes show one or even a few of these traits, but not most or all of them at the same time. · Cranial o Sloping forehead … o Supraorbital ridge, a prominent, trabecular (spongy) brow ridge… o Broad nose o Bony projections on the sides of the nasal opening, projecting nose Sub-cranial … · Large hands and feet · Larger round finger tips… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_anatomy Okay, and Here is Another Reference source, maybe secondary source but based on "scientific published works": This source mentions the Neanderthal trait of FRECKLES of which I presented in my first reference source from Ancestry Genealogy; Science – NBCNEWS.com Some Neanderthals were redheads Bones yield genetic data that adds a red hair, light skin and maybe freckles By Jeanna Bryner Live Science Uploaded 10/25/07 3:02:53 PM ET Bones from two Neanderthals yielded valuable genetic information that adds red hair, light skin and perhaps some freckling to our extinct relatives. The results, detailed online today by the journal Science, suggest that at least 1 percent of Neanderthals were redheads…. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21474978/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/some-neanderthals-were-redheads/#.Xpd2qP1KjIU

@Troy My question to you was not based on 'just' this reference source, rather I asked you if you had not heard of 'this kind of data from any scientific source'. I posted a quick google search reference of 'John Worthington for Ancestry - Genealogy & DNA' because it is a source that has been published for years and seems to me to be a very good source. So, I regard it as a good 'secondary scientific source' at least. As far as it being a 'click-bait', I don't understand what you mean because the content seems to be a good source, imo. I totally disagree. I based this on years of research as I do have a degree in Biology and I do understand the Scientific Method, of which one vital aspect is OBSERVATION. Not only have scientist published information on this subject and data but it definitely agrees with observation. You are wrong, Troy. Okay, below, I will post some more "scientific" background from other reference sources that report the same findings as the sources I posted previously. Uh uh. This makes no sense to me, how is this article not enlightening if it shows detail examples of what scientist have been presenting for recent years? Some of the picture references are of celebrities of which I do not believe would disagree. So why are you so adamant about denying what has been published? and yes, I agree about the words "May" and "mostly" and "almost" ... used in this study as I did say in other post. The model with the large eyes is well known, the man with the large hands is also well known and etc. I absolutely did! Again, this is my area of study and I can see that are not understanding what is being reported here! Just because researchers cannot not yet say how theyse archaic sequence affect people today, DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE NOT ACCEPTING THAT THESE TRAITS ARE INDEED ARCHAIC!!!--and that modern humans have these archaic traits, --acquired them through reproduction from interbreeding with Neanderthals!!! The simply do not know the whole complete story, that's all that they are saying here. I did!!! And, I don't know what you mean here about discrediting what I am saying. I am saying that if we today, express these archaic genes then, the scientist are not reporting a complete finding of what they already know. I dont think so. I agree. I absolutely do NOT believe that White people descend from them. I have said this repeatedly. But I do believe that we, all modern humans have some kind of blending and/or hybridization--all of us whether we are White Europeans or Brown African-typed modern humans. Why should I not have an opinion? Because you accept it? You yourself said that scientist update and make changes, so why should I be allowed to form an opinion on what they have reported today? Okay here are some more references and I don't know what you consider a valid "scientific source" but I did post initially that these findings stem from an INTERNATIONAL STUDY of scientist and Stanford University was part of that group. So, therefore some of my source, I believe are scientiic sources such as the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC organization and some may be secondary sources but they all seem to reputable: NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC Why Am I Neanderthal? When our ancestors first migrated out of Africa around 70,000 years ago, they were not alone. At that time, at least two other species of hominid cousins walked the Eurasian landmass—Neanderthals and Denisovans. As our modern human ancestors migrated through Eurasia, they encountered the Neanderthals and interbred. Because of this, a small amount of Neanderthal DNA was introduced into the modern human gene pool. https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/neanderthal/ Everyone living outside of Africa today has a small amount of Neanderthal in them, carried as a living relic of these ancient encounters. A team of scientists comparing the full genomes of the two species concluded that most Europeans and Asians have approximately 2 percent Neanderthal DNA. Indigenous sub-Saharan Africans have none, or very little Neanderthal DNA because their ancestors did not migrate through Eurasia. https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/neanderthal/ "Everyone living outside of Africa today" This is my case in point. This does NOT mean that NO African person does NOT have these traits. Many African-typed people live outside of Africa. _________________________________________________________________________________________ Okay, here is another "scientific reference" Most people are part-Neanderthal. That may be a protection against viruses Science and technology Hybrid vigor Oct 8, 2018 MOST modern human beings have Neanderthal genes lurking in their DNA. That is well known. Only Africans, or those of recent African ancestry, are exempt. Genetic analysis makes it clear that there were at least two periods when Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis (a species found only in Europe and Asia) interbred with one another: ... https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/10/04/most-people-are-part-neanderthal-that-may-be-a-protection-against-viruses

Looks so peaceful. I ran across these two short videos. I don't know if this is helpful, but you never know:

@Troy Your statement gives me flashbacks and thoughts of a young slave child stating to her or his slave master that 'we are all one race'. That's a lot of mind control, but no, I do not believe that we are all one 'race' of humans, just for your information--because the kind of evil on this earth meted out to other humans, not just for being Black African, but, in so many other modes, is why I would never believe in what you have LEARNED to believe. I do absolutely believe that people of all kinds and colors are one 'race'--one human species--but there is definitely something strange existing among this human race and it is pure evil. @Pioneer1 I cannot at this time, understand even this. This is SOOOooo true, then that just shows how crazy this kind of thought process really is too.

NO!!!!! @Troy Why do you say no!? Okay, I will provide a reference or two. 20 physical traits you may have inherited from a Neanderthal By John Worthington for Ancestry – Genealogy & DNA ...4. Supraorbital ridge or brow ridge 5. Broad, projecting nose... 8. Wide fingers and thumbs... 11. Fair skin and freckles... 13. Large eyes ... The large eye sockets in Neanderthal skulls indicate that they had large eyeballs to fill them. Antroplogists have suggested that they required larger eyes to enable them to see in the weaker sunlight of the northern latitudes. https://www.abroadintheyard.com/20-physical-traits-inherited-from-neanderthal/ Neanderthal in our skin Most Neanderthal variants exist in only around 2 percent of modern people of Eurasian descent.... The regions that contained high frequencies of Neanderthal sequences included genes that could yield clues to their functional effect. Base-pair differences between Neanderthal and human variants rarely fall in protein-coding sequences, but rather in regulatory ones, suggesting the archaic sequences affect gene expression. … https://www.the-scientist.com/features/neanderthal-dna-in-modern-human-genomes-is-not-silent-66299 @Troy You have never heard of this kind of data from a scientific source? But, @Pioneer1 We are ALL intermixed with Caucasians!!! So that makes us defined as the same!!! The date KEMET/Egypt marks Moses is detailed. The term 'MUSA' is recorded in both Sumerian text and Egyptian text. This term is used many times and at no time is it applied to your version of Caucasians being stuck behind a wall, where Kemet sent any MUSA up to the Caucasus to teach them and give them ARYAN CAUCASIAN SCRIPT!? Duh! Pioneer! Lol. Wow. Okay. I'm scratching my head on this one too.