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@I love black forums Wow! You said a lot, and it's deep and I can competely understand. The sad issue hear is that, if these type of Black women have sons, well, their sons will be BLACK MEN!!! No matter if they have sons from Black men or White men, their sons will be Black! NOw, just imagine what kind of conditioning they will have when they hear their mothers talk negative about Black men! This is the part that is crazy! LOL! WOW! You gotta be kidding! ... A child!? So, here, these women, you say, are Dark skinned, and they are attacking a dark skinned actress and her CHILD! That is crazy! @Kareem LOL! No, I wouldn't do that. I understand. But just for the record, that girl is absolutely beautiful!!! And so is the other one, but @Pioneer1 posted another photo of her in another thread some time back and it was a much better picture imo. @Kareem I don't know, you might be a little too militant to be Swirling, as-you-put-it now! LOL! Or, if you feel you must, then hopefully she can hang with the hot topics!

@Kareem I immediately chuckled when I read your comment here, but then seriously, I understand. My question is, when did this trend start and who started it, Black men or Black women? Quickly, I wil answer my own question because 'it's a loaded question' that I feel has been answered the wrong way for so long. Or, maybe not. Some Black Americans may not even consider this question, in that is should not even be posed because, it's either the Black man's fault or the Black woman's fault. But my answer would be that; [1] this started long ago before Colonization and, [2] Well, it depends on from what basis; Matriarchal system or Patriarchal? I feel we need to deal with that kind of history otherwise, we will only repeat history. Finally, I think there should be accountability on both sides. Oh yeah! We need to heal. This really hurts, but the issue that bothers me the most is that we need to heal and until we address other issues that actually help us heal, we won't. WHAT ARE THE 'OTHER' ISSUES? I ask. Well, I feel like we want to ignore how Black women were actually victimized too, by Black men long before the Slave Trade too. And, we need to address this government on the issue that most of the slaves were CHILDREN! And, then too, there is our formal educational system... @Pioneer1 Thank you for this statement. I agree.

Of whom are you directing this comment? When you say 'us'-- you are speaking in reference to me and my husband-- our hair type. My husband is a Full Native American and that is the purpose of this article; to address this very topic of what you have stated. It's not about 'PERPETUATING A RACIST MYTH', however, this is about how Native Americans in my family, and my experiences of them who have PERPETUATED A RACIST MYTH long before even White Europeans became involved. You need to go back and read about HIAWATHA and his wife MINIHAHA and the comb!!! Oh no! So NOT true!!! Again, long before this European Colonial Movement, Native Americans were extremely divided on issues of COLORISM and issues like 'GOOD HAIR'. As I stated in the article, the COMB TEST was explained to me by his grandmother, a full blooded Native American woman. You need to do some research. You need to got back before the Europeans came with this movement in order to address me, as an African American descendant of slave, one who was selected on the basis of HAIR TYPE. Maybe, you Native Americans who did not mix with us don't choose to deal with this subject, and think it is all well with your hair texture variation, but this is NOT so with the kind of Natives that did intermix with Black African Slaves. smh. We, AFrican Americans were selected on these basis of HAIR TYPE and I have both heritages, so if you are not of the Black African heritage and don't like this topic, you have that privilege, but you don't have any right to try and cencor me based on my experiences with both Native American and European attacks against my person.

@Troy Yes, I agree. Well said. I do believe, that he wanted to help Black people in America, though, but just like that clip that @Kareem posted, he would have been viciously and constantly attacked by White American racist people if he did anything that made him seem like 'a civil rights' president. Just like Dyson said, Obama 'inadvertently made them uncomfortable, but he did not challenge them on certain issues. I don't thing though, that he did not have the courage though, however, he would have been attacked viciously, and he felt that. Also, I wonder if many Black Americans realize that Obama is HEBREW ISRAELITE? His father is from KENYA, and there are many tribes over there in Kenya and the Horn that are the Original Israelites. Some of what I write is in websites including Wikipedia and etc. Because my ancestor was stolen from that region, I have done a lot of research and I believe that Obama was pre-selected for this specific reason and therefore, I don't believe that Black Americans really know the whole issue with what has just transpired in this world with voting in a Hebrew Israelite/African president that legalized homosexuality. I think we are in for 'a calm before the storm' so-to-speak. Those African people over there are really divided on many issues over there.

@Kareem Yes, so this is the problem! So many times, I see where the law is completely circumvented just to oppress people, especailly Black Americans. Thank you for sharing this information though. I did not know that about the 8th Amendment. And then, another issue that really bothers me about this story and so many others is that, she had to spend time being imprisoned. Just that kind of process is enough to destroy a person even if they are proven innocent.

AAAAHHHHH! I LOVE CHERYL CROW! No you didn't!!! LOL. Man! That was so good! Such a release! Man! Thank you @Kareem @Maurice Thank you for posting. WHEW! WHEW! I LOVE THE BEATLES. Man! I could listend to 'Hey Jude' over and over and over... This has made my day!!! Lol! I ain't listening to no mo!--for now because I won't stop. I love CHIC and KC & the Sunshine Band. Man!

Have you met someone smarter than youself? Oh yes! Just about everyday! How did you determine they were smarter than you, Well, I guess I would have to think about one example, and my answer would be that, I just listened to what was said from the person and realized that they brought something new to my psyche; they added a dimension to my life. and how did you feel? Rich. It made (makes) me feel rich and acknowledged; that someone would take the time out to share their life with me, if only for a moment. I love positive human interaction, even if it is just a brief exchange while walking about during my day, going to the market, or greeting someone at the check out counter. It's so rewarding for me.

@Troy I was finally able to watch most of the video and it was really good. I liked it. I also didn't realize that Bill Cosby was degrading Black people to that great degree! I knew that he did though, but now, I have heard it more and more. I also agree with what Dyson said about accountability. I think he said that when Black people did not hold former president Obama accountable for his actions then, it kind of was a set up for the future leaders in how they would regard us.

@Kareem I do remember the media coverage of this story a little and thank you for refresing my memory. This outline is so profound. I did not follow everything, but after I heard the negativity that came from the public, therefore, I became so upset that I refused to watch anymore reports. Now, I look at how they went after Former President Obama and, it is just as bad as I thought. Then, after they went after him in that fashion, it seems as if you can see and feel the laughter and mockery. They clearly showed that he was selected, NOT VOTED, but selected to be a puppet president. smh.

Uh Oh, I'm in trouble. But, I certainly don't feel that 'Caucasians' have succeeded in conquering my spirit at all.

@Pioneer1 I agree, but I also believe that, due to the exploitations of us Black Americans, by this system, UNITY will be impossible to obtain, as a whole. I understand about, 'putting our differences aside to have a collective voice' but, I do not agree. I could never agree to 'putting aside my difference on pedophilia' for a collective whole. never. @Pioneer1 I love your dream, but yeah, it would be poisoned while we exist under--UNDER--UNDER this system. They would define it, someway, somehow by doing many schemes, as a reservation. But, we need to do something though.

@Kareem OMWORD!!! LOL. No. I didn't know that. No wonder I was insulted for making a comment on a topic she brought forth on another website. This Black man insulted me for making a comment on a thread that he started, and he is partial to homosexualism. LOL. I have been absent for a little, I have to play catch up today... @Kareem and @Pioneer1 Yeah, he rubs me the wrong way too. What!? Well, I have learned something new today. I didn't know this cliche 'ADOS' was actually attached to an organization! That's crazy. @Kareem Thank you for your statement here. This is the issue that I recognize as a distinct difference in many Black African Americans in their choices to date other 'races' of people. Some seem to have a motivation of hate; hating their other gender as a reason to justify themselves to date or mate with other kinds of people, while a few African Americans do not!

@Maurice WHEW! Thank you for responding. LOL. Man! I jumped to a false conclusion.

@Kareem WOW! I learned a lot! Very deep, and informative. Are you saying that Yvette Carnell is a liberal or, is she of that LBGT community? I will have to listen to the videos you posted later. Also, I didn't know that she and Moore developed the ADOS acrynym, because, I also used this acrynym myself before I heard that it was used by others.

Well, @Maurice You should not feel this way. These subjects are tough, but a reality. This subject that I am responsing too has merit, and I would hope that you can understand and relate. This very subject was dealt with by White people too, even in the Roots production back when I was a child, it showed a slave mother walking her daughter up to the overseer. So, if you feel that I don't want you hear, you would be really wrong. At any rate, I wish you peace.

That's an interesting perspective. I think, perhaps, that these women may believe that by allowing other types of viewpoints into their Black site may help them to also use this avenue to push other Black issues. I don't believe in this approach, but I do believe that a lot of earlier 'Baby Boomer' Blacks and 'Joneses Blacks' and been conditioned from the Slave yard to adopt this belief and mentality. I feel that some of them feel that 'we have to accept all types of weird 'issues' based on their conditioned belief that White people of the head and they believe that will never change or, they may not want it ever change. They may feel that they will be destroyed if they don't accept White America's White Supremacy, so they set up their communities but allow their fears and beliefs to direct their pathways. LSABanned said from her experience, these Black women are dark skinned and therefore, and this is significant too, but it will take me some 'thinking' to be able to express my views on this. But it kind of goes a long with what I have experience from some of the women in my family. Some of my relatives are dark and some are light, and so, I see a lot of problems with Colorism and White Supremacy from this bases. For example, one of my Aunt's who is obsessed with White men told me this one day [she is dark skinned]; She said to me that back in the slavery days, the slave mothers would take their young daughter up to the slave overseers house and/or the slave masters house to become their sex toy. And my aunt said that if this did not happen and if those slave mothers did not consent to this, then we Black people would not be here today, so it had to happen. Well, my response was abrupt. I responded vehemently. I almost lost my composure. I told my Aunt that I would be completely dead or would die that day, if I were a slave mother, and expected to do something like that. I would never offer up my sweet little girl like that and etc. Well, my Aunt's response was 'an--I don't care response.' She looked at me as if she didn't even care what I said. She seems to fantasize over White men but will mask this, at times, and speak about Black issues and Black struggles.

That is okay, I am just glad you are back in the house. Now, you know you are speaking truth!!! I think that they are seeing all of the hype that has come with this new age propaganda though. Obama's era kind of made it seem like we Americans are a melting pot, and then came the Trump era, and these Sistas are not 'woke'. Really!? WOW! I am deeply shocked. Well, that is so sad and I am shaking my head in disapproval; they should know better than that, However, I am so glad that you are addressing this issue.

@Kareem I can relate because both the 70s and the 80s was my time! I entered my high school age during these times so I can understand the transitions from the 70s to the 80s. Oh yes, I love that song Boogie Oogie Oogie. Don't get me started! LOL. Those were the times! And although I was very young in the 60s, I was so surprised though, when I later learn that some of the songs I heard actually were remake of earlier Black people. For example, I used to love hearing Cher, sang this song with the lyrics; Our Day Will Come. Man she really had a unique voice, But then years later, I was completely stunned to find out that this song was initially sung by a Black woman and when I heard her, I just couldn't believe it; she blew me away. And, remember Michael Bolton singing 'Sittin on the Dock of the Bay'!? WHEW! He has a unique voice. But, because my Step-father was in the Navy, and he just loved that song, and played it and sang it a lot, I already knew it was a Black man that sang it earlier, and man!!!--- When a Black man 'who can sing' sings-- It's like going into a trance... drift me away... Oh how I miss those days, dreaming about 'sittin on the dock of a bay' and strolling along the beach with a botha, in uniform, ... Yall just don't know... Anyways, but back to the 80s, that song brings to mind Bobby Caldwell's song too, What you won't do For Love and, then Billy Ocean, Oh my, my, my ... There you go! Hopefully, we can bring back those days. I believe in it! Really!? I don't think I've ever heard it! So, I will be searching for it! LOL! Too late now. You have to keep on...

FAS-- Oh! How I deeply appreciate you!!! @Kareem and @Troy I am looking forward to listening to these videos before I comment.

I was born after some of the stories that revolve around this subject, so I did not eve think it would return. America tricked me and caused me to think that those times were over, but WOW, now I realize that we are back at this again. NOw, I am thinking about the stories I heard about people going into the old fashion grocery/hardware stores and having accounts, and then owing on their accounts. The store owners/clerks would have some type of book where they would mark people for how much they owe. I am no thinking about how Black people were actually lynched for owing money to these stores and not being able to buy anything because they were told they owed too much!!!

DEBTOR’S PRISON is Back in AMERICA Robin Ebersohl closes her eyes as she recalls the experience of being arrested in Macoupin County and jailed for four days over an outstanding debt owed for medical bills she could not pay. (AP Photo / The Telegraph, John Badman) I just saw an article yesterday about Mississippi and it is so misleading, but nonetheless, very eye opening. The article highlighted a woman named Annita Husband but stated that Mississippi has had a Debtor Prison system for years now and alludes to a falsity in that this would be the only state in USA. But, this is so not true. The comments after the article were extremely numerous and most of the commenters applauded the system for debtors’ prison. But after I read some more articles, I realized that Debtor’s prison occurs in many states and has been for years now. Also, unlike Ms. Husband’s story, people can be arrested and jailed for many reasons. Mostly all of the articles I have read too, say that the most victims are Black people, but still, this fate has happened to many Americans and for various debts. Debtors prison: It’s back and it’s here By Jim Gallagher Jan 15, 2012 Robin Ebersohl knew she had a loud muffler. She couldn’t afford to get it fixed. When she saw a police car, she though she’d chance it and drive by. It was a mistake bigger than she could have imagined. She thought she might get a ticket. Instead, she got three days in jail and her father lost $500 in bail money. https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/debtors-prison-it-s-back-and-it-s-here/article_4683672a-3be5-11e1-a381-001a4bcf6878.html ________________________________________________________________ This woman was put in jail in Illinois until she came up with bail money that her father sent from his pension. Then they applied this money to her debt. She never knew about the warrant for her arrest and so, most people are arrested and find out about this kind of debt warrant if they are stopped for a simple traffic violation or etc. ________________________________________________________________ Prosecutors and Judges Have Brought Back Debtors Prisons A new report details how easily you can be put in jail simply for owing a company money. By David Dayen FEBRUARY 22, 2018 … over 1,000 cases in 26 states where judges dutifully issued the arrest warrants for failure to appear. In four states where they could receive full data (Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, and Utah), the ACLU found 8,500 arrest warrants in debt-collection cases. The warrants cover every kind of debt: medical bills, student loans, rent payments, homeowners’ association fees, utility bills, repairs, payday loans, gym fees, you name it. The amounts involved in the warrants were as low as $28. … https://www.thenation.com/article/prosecutors-and-judges-have-brought-back-debtors-prisons/ __________________________________________________ This articles also explains that people can sit in jail for weeks, all for not paying a bill and if they get a bail, then it goes directly to the debt-collection agency. It also said that some people jailed actually didn’t owe the debt or it had been paid off. One Texas man just got out of open heart surgery but was jailed due to his college loan. __________________________________________________ Think Debtors Prisons are a Thing of the Past Not in Mississippi Annita Husband entered the restitution center in 2015, six years after pleading guilty to embezzlement, because she struggled to make monthly payments on her $13,000 court debt. She feared she would spend years at the center trying to pay it off. ERIC J. SHELTON/MISSISSIPPI TODAY, REPORT FOR AMERICA JACKSON, Miss. –During her shifts at a Church’s Chicken, Annita Husband looked like the other employees. She wore the same blue and red polo shirt, greeted the same customers and slung the same fried chicken and biscuits. But after clocking out, Husband, a mother in her 40s, had to wait for a white van with barred windows and the seal of the Mississippi Department of Corrections on its sides. It delivered her to the Flowood Restitution Center, a motel converted into a jail surrounded by razor wire, … https://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/01/09/think-debtors-prisons-are-a-thing-of-the-past-not-in-mississippi This article goes on to explain that she embezzled money from her job when she saw her truck being repossessed and prior to that, she was jailed for writing bad checks. She worked and cared for three children and a sick husband who died years later. In this article were other stories too, like this woman: September 2018, Dixie D’Angelo worked four different restaurant jobs trying to pay down over $5,000 she owed for damaging a friend’s car. She said she struggled with depression and anxiety and got no treatment for her alcoholism. “I was in a really, really dark place,” she said. ERIC J. SHELTON/MISSISSIPPI TODAY, REPORT FOR AMERICA After hearing about this and reading about this for a few months, I don’t feel so good. Strangely so, too, I remember thinking about this years back when Obama was running for his first term. I remember seeing all of these store closings and around the same time, I remember seeing the city surveying and laying down pipelines a long the county and I was thinking, something is wrong with our economy. I remember feeling that ‘they’ were going to go after its’ own citizens. I remember how many people were walking into Black low-income subsidized communities and rounding people up to vote and seeing them standing at strip malls with clipboards approaching people to vote and walking up to peoples’ houses and saying that Obama was for women’s rights and etc. And, I felt that we were in for a strange change.

I understand it's sexy to blame the black church for everything one dislikes about black people or our decision-making, but the facts usually prove religion-haters wrong. Okay, thank you FAS. Yes, this seems to be true, too. I absolutely believe in Church and I believe that there will always be a core Church and believers in God. Again thank you FAS.

Ha ha! Thank you! Thank you for your honesty. And, the worse approach we can do as ADOS is to give in to that form of Colorism. I don't know 'how many times' it has been a light skinned sista or biracial woman who has combated racism and colorism more so than darker skinned women in my experience. And, I honestly believe that many of us don't know how conditioned we are when it comes to viewing White men as being the pinnacle of success. I came out of that mindset, but yeah, I had to come out of it. For the sistas that can seperate Colorism from the issue and embrace White Love, I think that is awesome, but I feel that if we deny that we have been conditioned by this system, then that is the problem. I am not surprised. As I said earlier, I have been flooded with this kind of behavior from the women in my family, so much so, that I don't even want to be around them. They are so obsessed with White men and fair skinned men, it is crazy. But most of them have married or have sons from 'Black' men that are dark skinned and they talk this way around their sons, my relatives. It's so crazy. And, furthermore, they pretty much dare me to have a different opinion. They don't show this behavior to everyone though. They are so two-faced. And, I did look back at some of the topics on Lipstick Alley, and yes, it's just as I have seen before. I do applaud those Black women for sticking together and having that forum though, but, nevertheless, as you allude to, they----WE---- are still headed up by a White system, and therefore, in order to have this Black site, publicly, we have to agree to a lot of filth and movie star gossip and etc. So, I was sure that I was going to be seeing topics about Kim Kardashian and Beyonce and Rhianna and etc. ... I was sure that I was going to see a lot of bold White people make blatant comments in this forum-- I feel that racist people take advantage of Black females more so than they do Black men. They think they can say whatever they want around us, and we don't mind, we welcome it!? I will not hesitate to back a sista up though, as I do on another forum, and she at times, jumps right in and back me up BIG TIME! But, again, I feel that I get a lot of racist blatant statements from racist views and 'they' seem to assume that we Black females will always accept it. It really makes me angry.

[9] Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. ZECHARIAH 5:9. So, the prophet Zechariah wrote about the prophecy of the coming of the Roman Empire of whose foundation was set up based on the Greco-Roman forces that were predominantly Original ‘Black’ Shem and Ham [ie Canaanite-Phoenicians], and the worship of Cybele represented by Black Greco-Canaanite OPPRESSED women. This method of Black subjugation was repeated in the set up of the American Colonies. Black women were enslaved as little girls and conditioned to obsess over their White Slave Masters and Mistresses. They cared for little White children and naturally, they would develop a bond and this kind of natural affection that mostly all women possess was used to subdue Black women, but in this process, they also developed a sense of self-hatred towards their own seed. Black slave women were not allowed to care for and nurture their own Black and Brown offspring as they did towards the White children. This process of conditioning goes way back before Zechariah though, a history that has been repeated and repeated over thousands of years. Therefore, the prophet places the blame on the Matriarchal System that was allowed to set up in Black Africa and for allowing this form of White Supremacy to set up again and again. So, he used THE STORK to prophesy of the set up of the Roman Empire because in the Pentateuch, the stork, symbolized abomination. In other passages, the prophets write that the priesthood should not accept this type of ‘Black/White’ woman into the priesthood that has been conditioned in this way. Zechariah wrote this prophecy hundreds of years before the rise of the Roman Empire, again, because it has been a repeated process and led to the downfall of Nimrod’s Babylon [Greater Babylon] and then etc. So, the coming of the Roman Empire and the future great empire would be termed based on Greater Babylon that initially formed in the land of Shinar [present-day Iraq]. THE STORKS & the Woman in the Ephah This is the whole chapter in Zechariah: ZECHARIAH CHAPTER 5: Zech.5 [1] Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. [2] And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. [3] Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: ... ****MN-- The FLYING ROLL in the shape of a rectangular scroll is symbolic of the land that the Roman Empire set up as its' HEAD. ***** [4] I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof. **** MN-- My Note - This is the prophecy of the future War of Armeggadon**** [5] Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. [6] And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. *****MN-- My Note - This is THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST. The Ephah is a measure of unit. It is defined as a 3-dimensional object; the shape of a barrel or bathtub. ***** [7] And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. [8] And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. *****MN-- Lead or Pb [ie Plumbum] was the symbol for the Roman Empire. Lead was used to make pipes that went into the bath houses and etc. in Rome. the woman, in the ephah represents White Supremacy-- the Roman Empire-- A Matriarchal government. ***** [9] Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. [10] Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? [11] And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base. ZECHARIAH 5 *****MN-- The [1] Greco and [2] Roman Blacks that were exploited to set up the Roman Empire.

@Troy I absolutely believe you. Where Black women are in charge in a White Dominated government that is over their heads, you better believe that you won't find any other kind of venture that will be better than that! However, I am not kind of Black woman that can't stomach so much White Love in a supposedly Black House. I absolutely believe in White Love and diversity, but due to my upbringing and having to hear most of my female relatives obsess over White men and speak this way around their Black and Brown sons, made me sick. They only married Black AFrican men because they could not get a White or fair skinned man.