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@Pioneer1 But it does NOT remove the fact that they claim to be descendants of Abraham and they celebrate every years the ancient New Years' festival in September. At any rate, can you tell me what other names they ascribe to? @Pioneer1 It would be good to see you reference this MUSA of 2000 BC. @Pioneer1 But you are rejecting ALL truth in your belief about Asian people and their origins from Black Africa. Again, all scientific references today have accepted this GENETIC link to Africa all over the world, including Asian scientific world. Male dna is completely stable and traceable back to an African origin.

Yes, I agree to what happened here in US slavery, but I think that that matriarchal system is very old though. But, yes, I do agree that the children born to Slave masters were considered to be non-White and also slaves, even though some of these kinds of people later became defined as being White.

What!? You can't be serious! LOL. LOL! The Aztecs definitely are late comers to America! You need to read! Not the kind with the massive Neanderthal head, you're right! Thank God! There is NO SUCH TRUTH TO MODERN Native Americans having no African ancestry and no African remains in the Americans. Without African DNA you would all still be Neanderthals. The only DNA to clean that mess up is Africans, ancient Africans way before Columbus. There is no such truth as 'modern Native Americans' unless they had inter-bred with Africans. You are a complete idiot. Trust me, I would never want to be an original Native American! LOL.

@Delano In the broad sense, I would say yes but slavery, is such an old institution that has been clouded with so many other kinds 'and colors' of people being enslaved too, that it may seem not, but based on my understanding, even 'White Slavery' stems from the initial set up of Black people or 'people of color' initially being enslaved.

You are so disrespectful @Pioneer1 I wrote 'certain Ethiopians' claim to be Jews. You know that I have explained this topic well and defined the House of Israel and the Original Jews and their origins from father Israel as the 12 tribes combined. You know that I have explained about the civil war after Solomon and how the HOUSE OF ISRAEL/TEN TRIBES split from the JEWS but today, they know this too. No. you are wrong, the House of Israel are not separate group from the EHTIOPIAN JEWS. You know I shared info on their annual NEW YEARS' CELEBRATION in September and so you know that these Original Jews honor their origins with Abraham and Israel because I've shared data. Both Beta Israel and many Ethiopian Jews have been brought back to 'the Middle East' since the 1980s, by and by because they claim to be the Original Israelites and the Western world knows this too and have spent millions of dollars airlifting them back to 'the Middle East'. Yes, as the scriptures claim, the people of Joseph [the Ten Tribes] and Judah fight each other and conflict but they come from the same origin. If you don't believe that all modern mankind stem from one African male origin, then you reject all truth and that is really funny. You agree with a long running lie that all of the scientific community have finally came forward to report. All of the international scientific scholars across the world accept this obvious truth about the genetics of ALL modern mankind. DNA does not lie. Paternity test are 99.99% accurate. @Pioneer1 you can't be serious? LOL So, Natives are not white or black but lighter. So, I guess you are saying that they are brown. So, there are no brown people of African descent. LOL. Show the facts then. As for me, I would never want to look like the prehistoric massive heads depicted; those long heads. I am grateful that some Native Americans bonded with the Africans to stop that gross presence of those massive heads. I would never want to steal that kind of identity. LOL.

@Pioneer1 Then don't disrespect me then. Because I refer to the Moses scripted to exist at the time of the Egypt of the New Kingdom period. That 'Moses' is what I am referring to, so if you don't believe that he existed, I can accept this, but however, you seem to comment about this Moses, and here you say that you don't believe he did not existed at all. The scripture clearly place Moses at this time period. Okay, so we are dealing with two different issues then. You refer to 'a Musa' at the time of what!? 3000 bc, 2000 bc or when? But, I am referring to Moses in the NEW KINGDOM PERIOD of Egypt around the 1400s BC.

Yes, I do agree. Definitely (a) Racism More correctly, the term is not actually 'Racism' though, but Colorism and White Supremacy, that came first before slavery. The motivation comes before the act. Slavery is a response to the issue of hating Black people and people of color.

LOL @Jeffrey Okay. This is so funny. I am guessing that you are referring to Candice Owens. This thread as branched off into other interesting points but I maybe reading too deeply into your comment, however, it has a punch to all of what is being discussed. LOL. I think many of us, Black women wear our hairstyles in extreme ways but today, it has become normal to think that it is okay to portray ourselves as being defined as having BONE STRAIGHT HAIR. I think to some extent, this is okay, but when it becomes an obsession, then it shows self-hatred, however, this aspect of Self-Hatred is being completely ignored. Not completely. It depends. When I think about my late father-in-law, I have mixed emotions. I become hostile in my spirit in one sense but I do appreciate him in another sense. He always told his son that most of his relatives chose to PASS for White, but he loathed 'the White man'. Therefore, just as the federal books report, there were a small but significant number of Natives that bonded with Black African Americans during the time of the wars and they married Black women. He was booked very well. However, he carried a lot of his old ways with him. He became a Long Shoreman and made a lot of money and squandered most of it away on women, etc. He left nothing for his sons. The Black Native Americans, I would say define the bottom, but not all of the Straight-hairs. Yes, during the time of the massacres, many of the Straight-Hairs were the bottom though, I would agree. But in any case, the Black Natives were the bottom of the bottom, imo. They actually knew how to melt back into the woods and the Europeans had a difficult time with that aspect.

ROFL! True! You know, I think you're right! LOL! Okay, I dying of laughter here! @Mel Hopkins Yes, me too.

Not so @Pioneer1 at any rate, I am referring to Black African-typed. Many of them have African traits such as Nappy hair. Some Dravidians have straight hair like many Australian Aboriginal people but some of them have nappy hair and this means they have Y-DNA African origins as well. Yes, I understand you that you believe that White Caucasian men have their own set of unique Male Y-DNA and do not come from Black African male origins. So this is why you believe that White Caucasians are a superior race that have unique traits that dominate Black African traits. Just like you said, scholars today can make you look at something and believe in a lie and not what is obvious. You fail to realize that at one point this entire planet was ONE MASS and the earth did NOT split for a long time, therefore your version of Europe being considered West Asia has a false basis completely. Europe was never considered to be Asia.

I don't even automatically love and trust anyone, no matter what 'race' though. @Pioneer1 It may be easy to lump White people in one bag due to this American system's origins in the enslavement of Black people, but it is just not that simple though.

@Pioneer1 Like I said, I understand you in that you think all White men and your version of Adamu have their own set of Y-DNA and don't stem from one Black African Y-DNA origin. AGAIN, I understand you in that you think all White men and your version of Caucasians have their own set of Y-DNA and don't stem from one Black African Y-DNA origin or any Black Male origins. AGAIN, I understand you in that you think all White men and your version of Jews have their own set of Y-DNA and don't stem from one Black African Y-DNA origin or any Black Male origins. I understand that you think Moses of the Bible did not exist in Egypt and you think he came down out of the mountains the then went back up the mountains and has a set of Y-DNA not originated from the Black African male. I understand @Pioneer1 that you ignore the fact that Eritreans and certain Ethiopians claim to be Jews and originate from Black African Male origins. I understand you beliefs in that the Jews today in the Middle East are the Jews and not the Ethiopians. Yes!!! LOL. I understand your beliefs. I realize that you reject the 'Out of Africa' studies of the Y-DNA origins of all modern mankind in that they all stem from one male origin in Africa! I get you! LOL!

That's not true because Neanderthals are White and they are scripted to be here long before the term Caucasian was scripted. Go to the Smithsonian and that is one obvious reference. The Biblical script do not say this about the Jews. The Jews come from Abra-Ham and he was not White Caucasian. @Pioneer1 You provide no concrete references. So what you are saying is that Caucasian men and Adam men have their own Y-DNA, I get you.

But never in history has Europe been defined as such because it was originally inhabited by Black Negro-typed people and obviously because of it's proximity to the very continent of Africa @Pioneer1 Like you said, it's obvious why it would be called Eurasia, but the term ASIA refers to Asiatic people of which Negroes are not Never would Caucasian genetics dominate over Negro genetics, they have a lot of recessive traits. Barak Obama is obviously part-White but the script never defines Moses as such. Barack Obama and a lot of us Negroes today have a lot of White Caucasian ancestry but it doesn't mean that we are part Caucasian. No @Pioneer1 Europe is closer to Africa not Asia. The original inhabitants of Europe were not Asiatic or Neanderthal. Now that's true!!!

Moses lineage in the Bible does not define him at all to be Caucasian. @Pioneer1 The term MUSA goes way back even before Moses, and you are speaking about the Greek script which came thousands of years even after Moses.

This is not true @Pioneer1. The Caucasus mountains are not in Central Asia. There are mountain ranges in Central Asia, but not the Caucasus mountains. Europe is part of the Eurasian Continental expression, but I don't recall it being defined as Asia. From what I vaguely recall, Western Asia begins somewhere around present day Iran or ancient Persia. No, I don't think so. Today's description is definitely different from ancient times, but I don't recall Europe being defined as West Asia. I think West Turkey was the marker for the end of what would be 'the western world' and then East Turkey was the beginning of Central Asia. I don't recall Europe ever being termed West Asia. But, I am going to search for script reference to make sure. I think you've got that wrong. But for a certainty, the Caucasus Mountains is not considered Central Asia at all. The specific scriptures that define Moses' skin color are absolutely written and yes, I did get this from the Bible. The scriptures that I provided in addition to the egyptian records go hand-in-hand with the intense conflict of colorism of those times. The Bible does define Moses to be 'very light skinned' and uses the terms 'fair' and 'exceedingly fair' to define within context Moses as being both very good looking and very light skinned. Joseph was defined as being 'goodly looking', and the Egyptian records do show him as being brown skinned. I gave earlier scripture references to the conflicts such as with Moses' sister Miriam of which is one of the most dramatic descriptions of how colorism was a major issue even amongst the Hebrew Israelites because they had been affected by the Egyptians. That event in and of itself should reveal the issue of colorism and in how she reacted to her brother Moses' for his choice in marrying a Cushite woman. That event alone should confirm that Moses was light skinned. Moses did not want her brother to be with a dark skinned Black woman. And to add further to this account, the scripture goes on to state how the Creator further dealt with this issue and it is very dramatic and amazing.

WOW @Pioneer1 this word 'CAUCASIAN' amazingly speaks to this very subject!!! RACE is a modern day construction!!! I completely understand why you refer to White people 'from the Caucasus Mountains' as being Caucasian, but as you know, you and I go rounds ever so often about this term! I have researched this word, and THE ORIGINIAL CAUCASIANS are NEGROES, DARK BLACK/BROWN NEGROES from the ancient east world. I do understand too, today this term is exclusive and refers to White Europeans who have origins from the Caucasus, but I tell you the origins of this term does go back to ancient east world Negroes and scholars try to block this truth but there are scripts that reveal this origin. This term 'CAUCASIAN' is a perfect example of how RACE is a social construct! Caucasians today are a manifestation of a Racial Construct and are defined to be pure Caucasians meaning-- White skinned or Pure White skinned people. But we know, scientifically that can't be true because White Caucasians today have melanin. Unless they have albinism, then they have melanin and this stems from BLACK AFRICAN ORIGINS!!! So when you say; That would be only partially true!!! Because the Original Caucasians were African Negroes! But Caucasians are a dominant manifestation of intense racial inter-breeding of two different early species. The presence of the ANATOMICAL Straight Y-DNA Male origins begins from ONE AFRICAN MALE ORIGIN but prior to this humans on this planet earth were completely intersexed for hundreds of thousands of years. These intersexed beings did have an earlier origin to which, yes there were anatomically Y-DNA REPRODUCTIONS that did occur but those early BLACK or DARK SKINNED hominids completely died off. There DNA MARKER continued to be expressed in Neanderthals though, but all Neanderthals are intersexed to various degrees--every single one of them. So, to respond to your statement, CAUCASIANS, meaning White Caucasians CANNOT possibly be INTERSEXED no more than anyone else, black or white on this planet because their origins are from Africa! White Caucasian men reproduce and sons are born from them! BUT this too is the mystery as to obsession of having baby boys be born amongst the higher number of baby girls being born; the mystery lies in the presence of Black African Y-DNA. After the 3rd-4th generations of White Sex Selection with the purpose of having a Pure-White-Race [Racial Construction], I would believe the potential at this time for more intersexed births would be higher! So this is why 'Population Genetics' would be important to understand! So in order to understand the many intersexed births that are still occurring today, you have to go much farther back in time, way before the presence of todays White Europeans even. Now the percentage of intersexed births are much higher in White people than African people because it is based on the genetic presence of Black African DNA and definitely melanin. But even today, there are African people born intersexed.

I don't know about this @Pioneer1 WOW That is interesting! YES! You're right!!! I am a product of what you are saying here! I was a latch-key kid for these very reasons! Black women were indeed encouraged to do just what you wrote about! And yes, it caused a lot of damage to the Black family structure.

Oh no, I do not see women as being the same as men. Yes, I do agree. Oh yes, I do agree. However, when it comes to inter-racial relationships, I do not see a difference in White men loving Black African women or Black men loving White women, meaning normal! NORMAL, what is normal; I believe that racism cannot be ignored so then when men and women engage into inter-racial relationships with this understanding then they are acting responsibly but when they engage out of 'a spirit of racial superiority' then they are submitting to racial superiority. Too many times I hear Black men and Black women want to engage in relationships with White people because of something they hate about being Black and that is not normal. That kind of 'White Supremacist' is operating out of racial hatred. It is difficult, I believe though, to NOT blame the whole gender for experiencing Black-on-Black oppression, but I feel that we as Black people need to try to look beyond 'self' at times and look for the positives and then if you decide to engage in inter-racial relationships, it won't be out of 'race hatred'--Black Self Hatred. That kind of motivation will lead to a bad relationship for sure.

I believe you! @Pioneer1 for more reasons that one! This attempt to target people of color to be born intersexed goes way far back in time! And this is the very reason why there has been a movement to define people of color to have this INTERSEX PRESENCE. Many of the original intersexed beings way back in ancient times have resisted this category of defining intersexed beings as being 2/3RDS MALE! Nevertheless, there is no way around it, all intersexed beings stem from MALENESS! It may seem unfair, but that is the science of it. Even if intersexed people express a high 'physical appearance' of being female, it does NOT erase the fact that their beginning development stems from having male organs and this is the key. That is just it. The presence of female traits are NOT being totally ignored and that is why these kinds of births are called INTERSEXED but no matter what, ALL INTERSEXED BEINGS STEM FROM THE FOUNDATION OF HAVING MALE ORGANS DEVELOP first. There is no such thing as a 'female developing organs first and then male organs develop'!!! ALL INTERSEXED PEOPLE are initially born with MALE ORGANS THAT SECRET MALE HORMONES. In other words, they have A Y CHROMOSOME!!! That absolutely means MALE. So the anatomically straight Y-DNA African male NEVER expressed this INTERSEXED PRESENCE, not until species interbred!!! @Pioneer1 I hope you are understanding what I am getting at here? This is part of the problem with White Supremacy today! So today, yes, people are assigned genders, but no matter what they look like physically, they still have a Y-DNA present!!! It may seem unfair, but that Y-Chromosome is still there. If a X-Chromosome has an attached SRY-gene that moonlighted then, it is because of the presence of a Y Chromosome. There are many types of definitions of intersexed births, but again, all of them have a Y-Chromosome that was present!!!

So would it be fair to say that some people don't have hate who are racist? some racist people have racist viewpoints but don't operate out of hate? I can sort of accept that point of view. I can see where some people may be prejudice but not act out of hate. But when someone is not hired because of his 'race' then, I feel that is hate. If someone is not allowed to move into a neighborhood because of his 'race', I feel that is hate. And if someone is attacked because he or she dates another person of another 'race' then, I feel that is hate. Yes, I feel that in America, some people try to ignore racial issues but it is difficult to do that. Yes, I can see where Black men can be against this type of relationship, but I still don't understand the double standard aspect though. I feel, as a Black woman, that Black men have been exploited too, in 'inter-racial relationships', but I don't shun it today, nonetheless because of the positive aspect of it. Even in the slavery times, there are love stories of White men and Black women. Normal people will always be attracted to each other no matter the race, imo, but to be colorblind and ignore the negative aspect, no, I don't think that is good either.

No, that would defy all scientific classifications on a global level. scientific classification in how Family is determined, how Genus is determined, how species are determined, etc. are all based on a repetition of reproduction. so no matter what, if a baby is born with male organs that secret male testosterone, etc. then that baby is definitely male. Only males can secret this type of 'androgen' [?], not females. Therefore, scientifically, that baby is male, no matter how little the level of androgen is secreted or how much. There is no such occurrence as Female organs having this trait, at all.

Yeah, I agree! @Pioneer1 Well, on that note, I think about my Great grandmother who was brought over here to America as a slave at the age of around 10 years old... then at 12, she gave birth to an half-white offspring and then at 14 she did again... then she was sold away... Yeah right, escaping poverty doesn't require criminal activity!? LOL the Americans that set up this system didn't do criminal activity because it was not define that way by them. smh.

Ouch! LOL. That's a lot of money! But, I agree that she should not have put you on blast like that. @Troy I don't think so, at least not for me. @Pioneer1 I agree that Black disrespect is rampant!!!--But no, that does not mean that other non-Black people don't have the same conflicts and it does not mean COMPLETELY that we as Blacks would not get angry or indignant when non-Blacks err in their businesses. And while I'm at it, I want to say this. Way back, years ago, when I first joined this community, I did buy a book! It was about a single Black woman who successfully raised her offspring. But, I never received the book!-- However, I never complained at all, because I believed that I must have made a mistake. It was my first time ordering from this community. At the time, I was disoriented and was transitioning to another home and I did not immediately follow up with my order. It probably came to my house and someone in my house may have displaced it!--Believe you, me!--This has happened several times. So, I would never even dream of blaming the company, whether it be a Black business or not, because I did not follow up myself. And since that time, I have ordered books from Troy and they came right on time! But Pioneer1, if someone serves me bad food, you bet, I do complain! I don't care who it is. And your wrong, non-Black people can get real ugly when you complain about their business, I know this!

I have mixed emotions about that book. @Troy And I looked at the overview to refresh my memory. Firstly, I love some aspects because it is what I strongly believe and don't see much about, but then there are other points the author speaks about and this is what I believe is the major problem today with the issue of accountability. I don't feel that Black people today want to be accountable for the mistakes our ancestors made in the past, therefore, we will never be free under this type of arrogance. Here are a few quotes: Book Excerpt – Sacred Woman: A Guide to Healing the Feminine Body, Mind, and Spirit by Queen Afua Contrary to popular belief and ignorance, my Ancestors, the Black people of the Black land of the Nile Valley, did not worship many gods and goddesses. My Afrakan Ancestors viewed NTR, the Creator, as the undifferentiated One/All-Divine from which all life emanates. However, NTR has many wondrous divine attributes, and all of these manifestations--the NTRU--are aspects of Its wholeness. Consider, for a moment, such divine emanations as Maat https://aalbc.com/books/excerpt.php?isbn13=9780345423481 The western world conveniently lie and state that our ancestors worships many gods and goddesses and I love that she brings this point out! But then, she immediately slips in the term MAAT and as usual, it seems to be a contradiction in the definition of 'WHOLENESS': The Khamites, my ancestors, believed that within the heavenly realm the presence of the Divine is reflected in the balanced worship of NTR--the Mother/Father Creator, where both aspects in One are given equal respect. https://aalbc.com/books/excerpt.php?isbn13=9780345423481 Now, this is what I also believe, however, it seems that this definition always takes a turn to elevate the female over the male, and that is what brings out much confusion to the Black world. From this twist comes a lot of contention about gender equality in the Black world and for this reason, the enemy has creeped in and been allowed to exploit this issue and divide and conquer: By contrast, most present-day Western religions recog-nize only the male priest and worship only a male God in a heaven of male angels. In the ancient Afrakan spiritual tradition, there is deep respect for the Mother Creator and the female priestess as well as for the Father Creator and the male priest. CONFUSION!!! Unless there is accountability then, the Black world will continue to be exploited and oppressed under White Supremacy. This Earth Mother, Mother Creator, Mother Earth... whatever the term has been used to encourage African women to hate Black men for their taking 'evil dominance' over us, oppressing us and bringing in White women to be over us... So, of course I understand this aspect, however, it's a deceptive ploy to cause Black women to run to White domination in order to throw down the Black man and that's why I run from books like this @Troy. There has to be accountability. The ancient Black men and woman share an equal part in worshiping White people. The ancient Earth Mother was the first to worship non-African men and this needs to be dealt with. I do not want to be a part of gender division at all.