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I believe that a strong government and civilization has to have both people that are able to obtain high forms of disciplines through formal education and skill people. And also, America has to also consider other governments in the world when it comes to their educational systems and other systems as well in order to stay in a certain status. So, then a lot of the higher institutions may be more of a bully in getting better funded and then down the pipeline, the other school officials have to fight to stay in a certain status. Now, if I had a better education on this subject, I would be able to make a better statement, but this is the best way that I can relate to this subject of which interest me.

But isn't this the case also, in mostly all schools, whether public or private, or lower schools too? Isn't this part of what the government controls from the top, to a point? WOW, @Pioneer1 The poor and uneducated people fit into this category too. They too are educated by the corrupt system for the purposes of working forit and supporting it. Therefore, I believe that 'formal education' is the key. By being able to be a part of a disciplined system of education, it offers opportunities to better challenge the corruption, that I agree exists. Yes, I agree, but NOT being a part of a higher educational system will NOT help to solve the problem though That is amazing! That is SO NOT TRUE. These kinds of problems are not because someone has not been properly educated in the area of content for which they studied, but has to do with the higher government in how money is allocated out for various programs, various institutions and etc.

@Cynique Good observation! Thank you. But, I do need to clarify then, I do believe that the media does need to report negative news about black men too. You are so right. LOL. I don't know.

@Mel Hopkins Yes, I like this. When I think about my experiences, I do think back to these accounts!

@Pioneer1 Geez! I'm sorry! But yes, I am long winded! LOL! LOL! Yes and no. NO, I don't catch him when he comes in the door and hold him up, but yes, sometimes, I do bore him! LOL. Oh, but no, I am not the kind of person who has 'intuition'. I had absolutely NO INTUIION that someone, anyone, called my husband's job, until about 5 years later, it was told to me! I had absolutely NO INTUITION, that the landlord would get in her car and drive over to the other landlord and tell him, I was coming. She obviously had intuition and knew what I was going to do--But at at that time, I had no intentions to leave where i was at, until I was given notice and evicted. I had no idea that my mother drove over to confront the landlord, which was a 40 minute drive for her, until he chose out of the goodness of his heart to tell me that she did that. I don't read people very well, but I usually take people on what they present. I'm a person that tries not to be judgemental and I try to take people on what ever it is they say. WOW! Love it! @Troy Yes! Thank you! This I believe. Absolutely! And, @Troy This is the trying part for me always. I anguish over why would He allow me to suffer in this way--what is the purpose, but then I do get the answer, however, I wish I wouldn't have to go through this. Based on my belief and understanding, I know that the Creator is PROVING certain people and allowing certain choices and behaviors to manifest fully, so as to reveal inner intent and separate 'the wheat from the tares' -- if in fact, the kind of behavior is detrimental against the human world. He 'by-passes' behaviors though, no matter how bad as long as the person, can get improve. But if people harm children and innocence; that is the kind of manifested behavior that cannot be overhauled. I know that He is looking at the government initially too, and if that court system, in America, allows someone to seize children 'steal' from their mothers and enslave, then that government will eventually be doomed, imo-- My mother could not have taken my children from me, but the government had this power. They gave her visitation rights against my will, and I felt like a slave...thankfully, the media got involded.

That's on point! I have cats!

@Mel Hopkins Thank you so much, it still feels like yesterday.

****Let me put it this way; I can speak of one of several experiences that occurred in my life years ago and I sensed that I needed to speak about it immediately, because 'it was explaned to me' that CONFIRMATION was one of the most important aspects: This one experienced happened to me back in April of 1990; and I wrote it down and shared it before, so, I will only mentioned brief aspects of what I recall now. My husband was working a third shift/swing shift because we both agreed to help out the only other African American girl on his job who came to him to ask for his help. They were being sorely harrassed. She was in ther 3rd trimester, a college grad, Chemist, from a prestigious HBCU. And the company also hired four European women a year afterwards and gave them better hours and, promoted the pregnant woman and gave her a permanent first shift position, with an office, when she went into ther 3rd trimester of pregnancy, which was at the same time of the Black girl. So, the Black girl asked my husband to switch her 3rd shift, so she could work 1st shift. So, I agreed. But then, the company got mad at my husband and tried to overwork him. It was a horrible experience. I hate to even think about it again. At the same time, my husband and I was being absolutely oppressed by our parents. My mother told me to go back to work right after I had a difficult pregnancy after three (3) weeks, and so I did and I started bleeding and became very ill. My baby was 10 pounds 3 ounces and the anesthesia did not work. I almost died on the table, but I had a top of the run doctor!!! He was old and said that never happened to him before. He came by after church to see me, he was so shocked. I named by second baby after him. My second baby was also a big baby, 8 pounds 13 ounces and a difficult birth. My doctor told me that I would die if I did not stop working. So, ... we moved to a small place...my mother did not like it and badgered my husband...So here goes... One morning, my husband stumbled into the door after working a 12 hour back shift on a 4 day cycle and sat down on the bed. I was sitting up at the table and suddenly, I was communicated to. It was like a definite communication that occurred in a FLASH-like a camera flash bulb. It happened in one second. I couldn't believe it. But, I immediately turned to my husband and said, OMG! I was just told that in exactly one week from today, on FRIDAY, you will be FIRED!!! And I was told that we would be evicted. I was told to go immediately to MR. BOB, and ask him for refuge at his community because, [and I am quoting all of my statements], "HE'S ONE OF MINE". My husband, looked at me with frustration as if to say, 'Here she goes again' and then he rolled his eyes, laid back on the bed and fell asleep. But, I jumped up immediately, and decided to go by myself. So, I got in the car and drove about 15 minutes to the community where Mr. Bob was the landlord, a older White man. He was very tall, and bald, and when he smiled, his eyes sparkled and, and he was very friendly. He had served in the army and had a lot of stories to tell us and we had lived in this community about a year prior. I would love to sit in the office with him. So, I walked into the office where he was standing that friday and asked him if I could stay here next week if an emergency might come up, and well, he adored me. He immediately said, yes, absolutely, if the city social services gives you a voucher you are more than welcome... Then I left the parking lot and went to social services and waited for about 30 minutes and then filled out a form and etc. and the worker was so very rude; a Black woman. Then, I drove back home and my husband was still fast asleep.... It took me about two and a half hours. ... ... That next Friday, my husband stumbled in the door and said, guess what!? I was LET GO. He had never been written up. He worked that job for 5 years. He was a Chemist. He graduated from a top technological university. Out of the BLUE, they fired my husband. We had never missed a rent payment!!! We stayed in this community for about a year and a half. But, minutes later, there was a knock on our door on that very friday. Our landlord said that we had to go and she said it was because of our car being broke down in the parking lot. It was an eye sore and after a week of not taking it off the block, we had to go.... So, I already had the voucher and so, we got our friends and my father-in-law, to move us into Mr. Bobs community. ... ... Five (5) years later, my aunt, one of my mother's older sister, told us that my mother had called my husbands job and slandered him... before Mr. Bob passed away, he told us that my mother had came to him and slandered my husband and he 'blew her out' and sent her away... Mr. Bob told me that my mother slandered us to the other landlord, a White woman, and that was why she evicted us... This landord, in fact, called Mr. Bob and told us, that on that very day after I had visited him to ask him if I could come, that landlord actually came to visit him too!!! Mr. Bob told me that she came with some 'scraggly looking man' [lol] and told him that I might be coming back to him... He told me that he 'lit her up!' LOL and sent her and her boy away. ... My mother was a social worker and I am her only daughter of three that has children from her first husband, and she hated me,... hated me... hated me... she hated my father.... I look like my father... She applied for Grandmother Visitation rights... the judge, a black church woman, who had never been married and never had children, worked in the FAMILY JUVENILE COURT, gave her rights to have UNSUPERVISED VISITATION of my sons every over saturday for four (4) hours... I said no way... LOL... and trouble continued... my sons were 5 and 7, and remember everything... Okay, so that is one of several stories that I have, and so, my husband did not believe me the week before, he was FIRED from his job... so, even though, he is a witness, and so is the social service department, application dated that day THAT I HAD THAT EXPEREIENCE!!!-- It is like @Pioneer1 said; it is based on the individual's person experience with 'God' and but, I also say, no matter what, some people will believe, but others will always be DOUBTING THOMASES... even if things like this happens to them. Whatever...

What a thought! Okay, so who can prove God!? But I do believe that religion can be killed, for sure, but never the Creator/Higher Power of Intelligent Design. @Troy, @Pioneer1 Brilliant!--in what Pioneer said, because, I also believe that no matter what an individual has experienced or shares to others, if a person doesn't want to believe then, it doesn't mean that 'the proof was not a factor'. I tell you, I can relate to this topic in more than one way, and that is why I inquired from @Delano about the meaninn in his other thread about 'esoteric'. Regarding 'the scientific method' well, I don't know how my questions would fit this topic though, but I can absolutely relate to what Pioneer wrote.

Thank you! Okay so 'what is destiny'? And, 'Where am I going'!? Also, many years ago, I lost my sweet heart, my precious little dog and it hurt me so badly that I don't think I ever really want another dog. Sometimes I wonder If in the future I will get over his death and maybe get another dog; so would that be a proper question to ask you?

This is how I feel. But by just being a part of this powerful system, it's like we can always be vulnerable to so many other ploys against us in so many other ways too. Dividing us based on gender conflicts has been a powerful tool used though, but other kinds of people have gender conflicts too, so why it that African people seem to be the most harmed by these divide and conquer methods, is such a wonder for me.

@Cynique Cynique, I was addressing the process that was used; The Romans set up 'AN EMPIRE' system that, according to history, began long before it became defined as 'an empire'. And, it is a lot of history. There was initially an 'archaic triad' and then later 'Jupiter, Juno and Minerva (i.e. Venus and many other names) and then 'the god An'. Prior to this empire system, the Romans and the Etruscans related and then prior to this was so much more. And, what is not brought out, is the many 'ethnic' peoples that were conquered through various methods. Prior to the empire system, was another time called 'the Punic War times' of which there were supposedly three wars over the course of a few hundred years, and then the Romans interacted with the Greeks. So, there was history made regarding the 'Roman-Etruscans' and the 'Greco-Romans' and on and on... but again, what is kept suppressed would be the 'ethnic' presence that was overcome in order for the empire system to set up. Ultimately, the Roman Empire system set up WHITE SUPREMACY and they did it over the course of time byway of a 'divide and conquer' tactic and ethnic women were one of the biggest methods used to overthrow the ethnic world. Prior to CLEOPATRA, a Hellenistic woman, there were so many other women elevated and like Cleopatra, thrown down, when the desired Roman leadership over ethnic lands was achieved. Again, the 'unified' was not an issue by the time the Romans went from 'a Rome REpublic' to 'a Roman Empire'; the Romans methodically broke down cultures and peoples by and by in various areas until they gained the following of masses. The Romans operated in North Africa, Europe, the Sinai Peninsula, Turkey and elsewhere for hundreds of years and they came to dominate over these areas. I don't know how to answer this question. But yes, this was definitely part of their history. Yes, it did! I have spoken on this several times in regards to my personal experiences with PEDOPHILIA. And, I believe in REPARATIONS; but, I absolutely support Obamas views in other regards. My husband, and many pastors and Islamic leaders in my community and so many more. Compared to men like Wienstein, yes, I do feel that Bill Cosby was persecuted. I am shocked at the process in which he was convicted, I do not understand how this could have happened! Are you saying that I am wrong for the way I criticize the black men in my life? As far as the media goes, I don't know what you mean. Another mind boggle for me, when it comes to this American court system! This story swung from one extreme to the other! First, it was said that he was going to be brought on felonies, a lot of felonies and then all of them dropped. WOW.

Thank you. I still don't know how to pose a question, so I will keep reading other post. I guess astrology is perhaps, like using stars or star arrangements in the sky to understand and answer certain questions or ideas posed about individuals.

@Pioneer1 Yes, I've noticed this. From the Me Too Movement to this and other things. So true! And this is why maybe, White Supremacist can always exploit... to Divide and Conquer. Yeah, but this is not a new tactic. This is how the Roman Empire set up.

yes, this is what I was thinking!

@Pioneer1 Yes, I understand this, but isn't this what other people of all kinds and cultures do too? I agree Black people should reproduce 'responsibly' but due to the natural issue regarding 'reproduction', would be why Big Governments have to have a legal system in place to deal with irresponsiblity. Unfortunately for Black AFrican people, the governments in the world seems to strike out against controlling 'Bad Black Behavior' but these systems also have to deal with the bad behaviors of other people too. Therefore, maybe we should focus our attention on education too, and not just trying to stop reproduction; quantity. yes, again, I say it should be about education and not just 'hoping'. lol, I don't know too much about China but, from the little that I have learned, that limit of having two children caused a lot of problems that may have been suppressed by the government. I don't have an opinion about this issue of 'over reproduction' in so far as a solution but, when I think about this, I think about the foundations of these big governments and how they used this issue to their benefit and how their long range plan is what we are facing today... prison system and what not! I think at some point in the past, certain governments came up with a plan to deal with the natural aspect of 'reproduction' and now, we are seeing the ramifications of their actions. So again, I think that we need to be educated on this wise and understand how governments have worked to control the masses and then maybe we might have better peace about this situation. Quality is definitely better than quantity, but this issue is connected to the government, imo. Yeah, and AFrican too. Invasions. These people were not prepared for an organized invasion, so their masses were affected, but today, I think we should focus on getting a better understanding on these past happenings with regards to White Supremacy.

okay. Can you re-state how you defined 'esoteric' first, then I will know how to pose a question.

@Pioneer1 Yes, I can understand why you say this and believe that, in general, many people of all races engage in sex relationships for sex gratification and the 'accidents' that occur are excused away for many 'false justifications', however, if many Black people choose not to have children, that will not solve the problem for us as a people in this world. To say that "God will make a way for them and see them through some how some way" may be what you think about, but that should not be the focus, imo. The focus should be based on nature and the fact that 'reproduction' is a human right, and therefore, Black people should not feel that they should not reproduce only because of financial reasons. We are human, we need to eat in order to live, so therefore, if some Black people see the importance to fight for the right to eat and work and live comfortably then to also fight while they have relationships and reproduce should be a part of the process. But again, if you, as an individual, have chosen to wait for financial reasons and for other responsible reasons, I think that is great. Hopefully, you will be a supportive uncle to your brothers children and others. Yeah, but obviously, that didn't go to well. I seriously doubt this because, it didn't work in the past. @Mel Hopkins Thank you so much! You too, are beautiful!

Yes, this sounds strange. But for them to have to get a lawyer does seem like something may have occurred. This case is strange. Yes, Something does not sound right here, what a diversion. @NubianFellow I just learned something new. There is a show called Power? I will google. When I hear about something that Lee Daniels is behind, I already assume it's going to be about lbgt and this is what I heard about Empire. I don't know for sure though. This is awful. But again, this was the purpose for electing a 'Black' president imo, anyway. I saw it coming.

@Cynique Yes, this is true. But this runs in my family but, I am happy that my eyes did not stay blue. But, I am glad too, that you pointed this out because I have heard of this common birth of having blue eyes then going away. But I know that the combination of blue eyes with red hair is also distinct and again, this phenomenon runs in my family on my fathers side. And, no, you did not hi-jack this thread! I appreciate your input because it give balance! And, this is your experiences, and I can respect this, however, Cynique there are other African-typed people of all color tones that have been struck harshly with racism and therefore, do not have this privilege that you do, in equating their African origins as being equal to their other blood lines. But for you and others that can do this is fortunate, especially being here, in America. Yes, so true. LOL! That is okay with me. I am happy to know your take on this subject!

WOW Thank you for your honesty! @Pioneer1 You are speaking truth, here. This is sad, but true when it comes to many African American men in this government. Again, WOW. I can understand on a personal basis too, especially about the 'black man not being financially secure'!!! And as far as you choosing not to do this or have children for this reason, I understand completely. I also understand why you would not want to do this 'by accident' and put out Black Children and suffer watching them suffer and also... blame you!!!--and NOT be able to recognize the part of this government!!! I can relate to this on a personal note!!! And this is why, even though, I understand your stance, if all Black men chose to do what you did, we would never win as a people though. So, I also don't blame others who do still marry Black women and have children and take on this HARD PLIGHT! My husband is getting is butt kicked--LOL! But I am so glad that he had 'an accident' with me!!! LOL! And, then he chose to marry me before the birth of my son! But, @Pioneer1 with your other beliefs on relationships, it's amazing that you did NOT have an accident--LOL. @Pioneer1 Yes, I can understand this too, but as a whole, when is there ever the right time? This government is bent on keeping us as Second class citizens. Okay, again @Pioneer1 Thank you for your honesty!!! But then, here is what I have to say about your response. Some men and women don't form a healthy spirit, a spirit that caused them to form a positive perspective and viewpoint about themselves--as they should fit in a physical world and go from this point to seek out a relationship with a person that fits their human presence. So, if you, as a man wanted to be married to the right kind of woman, then perhaps, you would have done that, but if you hook up with Black women that are shallow and who provide you an easy excuse to keep finding faults in our character, then you may be wasting you time. You know about Denzel Washington, right. That was what he said. He said that he was passed over when he was young and called ugly but, when he became older and confident, it became the opposite. And, that is what I have noticed with my sons. Just like Denzel said, regarding Black African American men. My sons were just 'invisible' by Black girls when they were young but, they built up a lot of confidence THAT CAME FROM ME! And so, by the time they reached high school, well, things changed dramatically!

Awesome. Awesome.

Interesting again. There seems to be a lot of hidden history, yet to come out! My mother's mother, as I did say in the past, was part Native American and part East Indian and so, the hair texture obviously shows up in mixed-raced African Americans showing these links!!! But the Colorism and racis that existed in the Pre-Columbian World was really bad. And my mother's mother was really bad too, with her racism. She had a lot of children. I have a lot of aunts and uncles from her, and they all constantly say that she was racist. My aunt of which I was close to, was the lighter skinned one, and she had a 'mean streak'--lol. She was blunt. All of my aunts including my mother say that she was very attractive when she was younger and had a lot of attention, but then, they all did. But they all said that "Ma and Pa favored her over the others because she was light skinned like Ma". @Cynique My aunts would always say this and even she said this too! And that's when I had to laugh. One time I came to visit her in the nursing home and I sat beside her and asked her questions. She loved all of her nieces and nephews and would get angry if we did not come to visit her. Her siblings would come too, and at times she would slam the door in their faces and leave them outside in the hallway during visits. LOL. She hated my mother's second husband, and I think it's because he made a pass at her. But anyway, one day she told me, that "Ma and Pa spoiled her" LOL. I think she blamed them for causing her to become anti-social. She never married and she had no kinds. At any rate, I never met my maternal grandmother, but after hearing all of the stories about her, I'm kinda glad I didn't meet her. LOL. But her ancestry and that of her parents is interesting! I am so glad to hear you background. And, because you said that you married a Black man, then, you may understand how important it is too, though to embrace Africa!!! I agree because, HEY--you are here!--in this community dropping all of this knowledge! However, you married a Black man and so, your children have this ancestry too. So, I believe that you should be somewhat 'riveted on Africa' for their sake. That is one thing tht bugs me about my husbands people. They have benefitted due to African American Movement and their movement AIM (the American Indian Movement) did not form until after ours. So, they admit this and many of them connected with African Americans during the Civil Rights times. But some of them want to be separate now. There was almost nothing for them, so they were able to fight back for their rights with the help of Black people. Me and my father-in-law has some rounds on this issue! LOL.

@Cynique Thank you! This is an awesome story! I got a tell you a quick story about my husband educating me on his mother's people, the BLACKFEET. I see too, that you did mention both, the BLACKFEET and THE BLACKFOOT. When I went to my first Pow Wow, I bought my two young sons, a shirt that had BLACKFOOT on it and my husband had a fit! He made me go back and return them because he said that the Blackfoot Indians were completely separate from the Blackfeet Indians. They are not the same. But over the years, I have been researching and trying to understand the distinction, but seems this information is kept hidden. Most Blackfeet Indians that I meet are blatant and say the same thing as my husband. They do NOT connect with the Blackfoot at all. But based on my research, I do believe that there may have been some connection but they may have split due to issues of Colorism! The Federal government list them separately though, but I believe that in Canada, they may have been connected. They supposedly have two separate reservations though in the Pacific Northwest. Scientist do say that, out of all the people in the world that carry the "O" Negative blood type, it is the Blackfoot that are the only ones that are significant in North America, then this blood type is significant in Mexico too. But not the Blackfeet. So, I think that your oral history and your connection to Blackfoot is amazing! And as you did say, the Osage were concentrated in Kansas and Missouri! Wow! Interesting! You know, both my mother and one of my aunts, her sister, had this happen too!!! My mother's hair was Jet Black and my aunt actually had red hair and she had an afro. But now, their hair turned as yours did-- silky white and bone straight.

I don't know @Pioneer1 The problem with this is that the PEOPLE in this land have been here for many thousands of years and so, the straight hairs that are White skinned are just as much TRUE Native Americans and the BROWN INDIANS. In many regards, the Native American World is more MATRIARCHAL and this is due to the 'CAUCASIAN' expression and much more earlier ASIATIC origins that goes way back in time. @Pioneer1I king of agree with you here, but it is because the 'Caucasian genes' you refer to kind of MARK a recent time period of about 6000 years ago and with the more dominant Paternal presence. But the Native Americans that go way back prior to the 6000 year mark were also WHITE and/or BROWN and they are more matriarchal. So, this COLOR ISSUE was bad in the Native American world long before the Caucasians and then long before Columbus, and this is what is not being brought out. Yes!!! But the problem here is that, in many regards the Africans are also Native Americans. They were not a separate group, but they are Native Americans, this is what is not being admitted. This then becomes a serious problem. Columbus may have seen BLack AFrican tribes, but also he definitely saw 'Negro Native Americans'. As you said, Abubakari was here!!! And, AFrican kings and people came around the AD 1300s mark and met earlier 'Negro Natives' and this is a distinct issue here. The Europeans have drawn the line, incorrectly. They want to define Native Indians that were 'Negro' as being 'Africans' but many of them had nothing to do with the continent of Africa and had been in the Americans even before the Olmecs and before the 1500s BC. But the Europeans want to define THE AZTECS who came over here from Spain in the AD 1300s as being American Indians, but then, they want to define the Black Africans that came during the same time as being AFRICANS!!! Again, I know about this history too. And they remained over here due to a fleet that sailed, but the Aztecs are defined as being Native Americans, but yet not these AFricans who came at the same time span!!! Both of these movements into the Americas about a hundred years before Columbus was as a result of the BLACK DEATH PLAGUE that began to occure in AD 1335. The Aztecas were actually Spanish people that came by the millions.