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Del you are talking in absolutes I never implied any such thing. Of course what is accepted as "right" varies from place to place, time to time, and even within the same person from one minute to the next. But there are something that would most likely be perceived by 99% of all Earthlings as wrong -- essentially universal. There may not be many things but their are some. Indeed there should be some as we share enough in common as humans for this to be true. Del you are raising children. Part of raising children includes educating them, instilling values, teaching them right from wrong, even providing spiritual guidance. Do you to let them run amok, allowing them to do anything they want at any time without any form of guidance? I submit to you that you can not raise children who can successfully engage in society unless to teach them the difference between what is right and wrong in the context of the culture in which they live. Part of the reason our culture is slipping is because our standards of behavior have slipped. Too much is acceptable. I'm not saying everyone should, or can live, a pristine life, but very little of what we do is frowned upon. No one wants to "judge". How can we? We have no standards we are willing to enforce.

Pioneer this is the book I wanted to do. The only difference is that I did not want people posing... As nice as this book is, I can't help but see the world through the lens of someone who has been on the business end of the racism stick for a few hundreds years. Disclaimer aside. I took the snapshot above, this evening, during a signing of this book in New York City. I decided to go at the very last minute The signing was in midtown on 57th street and I knew I would be able to park on the street for free. The book store, where the signing was held, is simply magnificent. One of the nicest stores I've ever set foot in. It is an independent store in a physical space that is worth at least several million dollars. The inventory was impressive. It really felt like I was in a bookstore for the first time! Honestly I'm disappointed I had not previously visited the store and it is just 2.5 miles from where I live literally walking distance, but it may as well be on Mars. The photographer is a white man. The signing was in this store, in a white neighborhood, the vast majority of the patrons were white. I saw maybe 4 other Brothers (no sisters, one worked as a guard at the store). There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, of course. For some reason I expected to see a bunch of Blacks folks "up in there". I expected to maybe even run into Herb Boyd (writer for New York's Amsterdam News) who wrote the foreword . I expected the event to feel...well.. familiar. Instead it felt more like I was peeking in on an event where a group of people were recognizing the field research of one of their more intrepid photographers -- one who somehow was able to capture the beauty in the people of Harlem. Reminiscent of Jane Critchlow's Some of My Best Friends: A White Woman’s Journey into Racial Profiling which yielded this comment: She's "humanizing" creatures descended directly from Homo Erectus that aren't even within the same taxonomy as modern humanoids. She probably won't get it, even with a broken orbital bone and the usual ape-rape, just another idiotic female with warped or attenuated survival instincts that will end up in pieces in a dumpster somewhere. Curious George and Jane GOODALL Now the readers in this store did not appear to be the like the racist who left that comment on my website, but I wonder if they see the book any differently? Are they fascinated that the people of Harlem are able to manifest some form of humanity? Is Stein somehow illustrating that Harlemnites may even share some of the same characteristics they do? Yeah I know it is my racist lens distorting reality, right? But I also know that Black folks don't have very many book stores left. Many of the ones that remain are struggling. None (that I've been to) come close to being as nice as this store. I always thought about all the photographers I know (maybe even myself), who could pull together photos good enough to rival this book but will never get a chance. Even f they did would they be able to sign in the same store? Maybe I'm just tried of fighting... If I went to some trailer park in rural Mississippi, took a bunch nice of photos of poor white folks, created a beautiful coffee table book, then hosted a reception where scores of copies were sold to upper-middle class Black folks who asked questions, while sipping on wine, about my adventures; I wonder what a white man from that rural Mississippi community would think if he witnessed that event?

Harlem Street Portraits by Harvey Stein A nice big volume of people.

Yeah I saw the broadcast on Bill's TV show. I could not get past all that Brother's hair -- I could not help thinking about all the things I could not easily do with all that hair and calculating the time, effort and expense to maintain that mane. But the ladies probably love it. Anywho, marijuana is essentially decriminalized now. If they arrested every one who did an illegal drug there would not be that many people left on the streets.-- shoot imagine if they locked up all the job applicants who failed a drug screening. Currently the state of Colorado has legalized marijuana -- effectively breaking federal law. It will be interesting to see how that works out.

Pioneer, I would go as far as to say that Black people don't support each other in much of anything that really matters. I have no data to support this, just my own experience and observations. But if you look at the our HBCU's you'd quickly see why I have this opinion. We won't even support an independent bookstore for Christ's sake. I do believe that we HAVE to continue to explain to people why it is so important for Black people to support other Black people -- especially those who relate our history and our stories. Interestingly, many people, even very professionals ones, don't really appreciate why it is important, unless you break it down. At the end of the day, supporting Blacks in academia, or anywhere else requires sacrifice. Sacrifice is hard, but where we are headed will be much harder...

"Yeah, we know you have a college degree and no criminal record, fuck you anyway..." That just about sums it up Pioneer. A manager (older White guy) effectively had told me the same thing using more professional language. It did not bother me too much because I already knew how we were perceived collectively. The manager was not unique. What surprised me however was that he actually articulated the sentiment. The guy had less education than I did and was probably under pressure seeing that his role was being outsourced... A few years later, after we both were no longer with the firm, he looked me up, and to his credit, apologized and said he was glad to see that I was going well. We are all part of the same system. I don't condemn the self destructive behavior of Black people solely on the individual any more than I blame the racist behavior of white folks solely on that individual. We all live in a jacked up system that reinforces both behaviors. Unfortunately it is usually the individual that is called to account, not the society that shared in the blame. Most people, it seems, don't really care enough to look beyond their own prejudices or tightly held beliefs to question anything. So it is quite easy to understand why a celebrity like Oprah and a politician like Obama rate so highly in terms of level of trust. It is the same reason a charismatic preacher can so easily separate so many people from their hard earned money. We all need help...

Del you should review you course work in set theory. If I and the KKK do not share your beliefs; you can not then conclude that I and KKK share anything in common. All three sets, you, me and the KKK, could still share nothing in common. Again the difference between you and I is that I'm willing to say the KKK is wrong, in their views about Black people. No I guess I did not understand your point about the law. Sure it was legal to treat people as property. I believe that law was WRONG too, I imagine you have no such opinion -- perfering to sit on the fence unwilling to commit to any view point as if all view points on the matter are somehow valid. It is not clear to me why you are unwilling to call a thing right or wrong, particularly when it is so obvious. It seems to me that you don't really believe anything is wrong. Further those that choose to say something is wrong, is taking a position of moral superiority of others. Would that be an accurate assessment?

The finalists for the National Book Awards have been announced as predicted last week, at least three of the six books above were selected as finalists. The winners will be listed on November 20th. See the Complete list of finalists. 2013 National Book Award Finalist for Fiction The Good Lord Bird (Riverhead Books/Penguin Group) by James McBride 2013 National Book Award Longlist for Nonfiction The Internal Enemy: Slavery and War in Virginia, 1772-1832 by Alan Taylor (W.W. Norton & Company) 2013 National Book Award Longlist for Poetry The Big Smoke by Adrian Matejka (Penguin Poets/Penguin Group) I predict one of these books will win.

LOL! the KKK!? Oh Brother! It seems Del you are far less tolerant of my opinions that I am of yours. To directly answer your questions: If we make the laws then why do we have the inequities in the criminal justice system? Because the system is run by people and therefore is not perfect. Inequities and other injustices will occur. So you are saying being judgemental is good for society? Del I originally spoke about opinions, you introduced "judging" and turned the conversation to one of being "judgmental". It is hard to carry on a meaningful conversation if you keep changing the context to suit your argument. No one is talking about being "judgmental" in the manner in which you seem to being trying to imply now. I believe people should be free to whatever they want to do. In that sense I'm pretty non-judgmental". However if someone wants to rape a child, blow-up an innocent bystander. I think we should negatively evaluate the behavior and move to prevent it. There are some behaviors that are unacceptable in a society and it is up to the members of that society to make a determination what those behaviors are. Is this an opinion that you reject Del? If so, why? It is interesting however that Cynique is quite able to both interpret and elaborate on what I'm saying. Maybe just read what she writes.

Afrofuturists are black entertainers, musicians, filmmakers, authors, artists and intellectuals who aim to break down racial barriers by designing science-fiction futures where oppression is optional or nonexistent. Rooted in academia, the Afrofuturism movement began among groups of college students gathered on the lawns of historically black institutions, and then later in internet groups who drew parallels between will.i.am and Sun Ra, America’s black Diaspora and fictional stories of alien abductions, activism and Octavia Butler. Check out Afrofuturism: The World of Black Sci-Fi and Fantasy Culture (Lawrence Hill Books, October 2013) by Ytasha L. Womack. Womack crafts an inspiring and imaginative timeline of an emerging ideology in Afrofuturism that is a compelling guide for cultural anthropologists, academics and African American historians. Mothership: Tales from Afrofuturism and Beyond (Rosarium Publishing, Oct. 13, 2013) by Bill Campbell (Editor) , Edward Hall (Editor) Mothership sets a bold new course by showcasing work from some of the most talented writers inside and outside of speculative fiction. These authors in this anthology (including Junot Diaz, Lauren Beukes, Victor LaValle, N.K. Jemisin, S.P. Somtow, Tobias Buckell, and more) have earned such honors as the Pulitzer Prize, the American Book Award, the Hugo, the Nebula, and the Bram Stoker, among others. They have garnered numerous accolades and have sold millions of copies around the world. Many of their names are likely to be new to you; Mothership is your invitation to get acquainted with them and their incredible writing. (Rosarium Publishing, Oct. 13, 2013)

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public. London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013 American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com). Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people." Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome." Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left." Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar." How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'" Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East." Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed." Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com. About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand." -----

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The top banner looks cool! But you need more photos of yourself Where do you find the time? I got my social media down to less than 10 minutes a day!

Fred Mwangaguhunga's gossip site Mediatakeout.com is the 2nd most popular Black owned web site of any kind Mr. Mwangaguhunga cited another metric, however, that he thinks is more telling: 46 percent of his visitors, about 7.5 million people, are black women, a number that represents broad penetration into that market. Read a New York Times article about his fantastic success

Drugs... thats all we need to add to the mix of high incarceration rates, poor education, pathetic job prospects and yet another government bureaucracy to administer user and enforce compliance. No thanks.

Pioneer, sure there is an overt and obvious bias that permeates the entire culture and most noticeably in how "news" is reported. I watched the video of the Biker Boys on Youtube yesterday. The reason it made the news is because on of the bikers recorded much of the incident. The video was posted on YouTube and it went "viral". Now I live in NYC and have been in exactly that same situation surrounded by Bikers on a street: There had to have been 100 or more. They were riding down the avenue and burning red lights -- preventing traffic from moving. I actually went around a car in front of me -- refusing to wait out at a green light 'cause these Biker Boyz would not stop at a light. As soon as I got into the mix of bikers. I knew I'd made a mistake -- it was just too dangerous to be driving among so many motorcycles. Now judging from the video I saw one of the bikers positioned himself in front of the car and slowed down. The car then hit the biker -- breaking his leg. The biker should not have pulled in front of the car and the car should not have hit the biker. If anything I'd have to place blame for the accident on the Biker as he initiated the incident which caused the accident. After that accident that car should not have sped off. If he did not feel safe he could have stayed in his car. The driver's mistake was speeding off and running over yet another Biker crippling him. It looks like the police are not prosecuting the driver. I don't know if the car is Black or white. But he was described as a Banker and driving a Ranger Rover so the odds are is that his is White. When you see some many bikers together you just have to give them right of way... --------------- There are a number of reasons there is no apparent indignation. We don't have the platforms to express that indignation. We don't tell our own stories, or news.

So we have; Soul, Spirit, Mind, Brain, Body. I'd group Brain and Body together since they are part of the same system. The mind seems to be the by product of the brain and the body's interaction with it's environment and it the thing that is really impacted with the brain is hacked, so I'd group the mind in with the brain and body. I'd also group Spirit and Soul together as they seems to describe the same thing SO the question remains are the Soul/Spirit separate and distinct from the Mind/Brain/Body? An autistic boy went missing a week ago, here in New York City. The police have enlisted the help of psychics to find him. I'd be very surprised if the psychics actually help find the boy. What senses are these psychics employing to find the boy? Are they using their brains or their spirits (or both)?

Del, WE make up the criminal justice system and the laws. It is made up of and by people, like you and I. Now you personally may opt out and refuse to judge someone. But it is good everyone is not like you because our society could not function otherwise. Del I never wrote science can prove something that unquantifiable. I wrote they do not dismiss it. There is a big difference. In fact the example, of what happened before the Big Bang illustrates my point. Of course there are things that don't lend themselves to testing. Seriously, Del, I thought I made that clear with the Big Bang example: There is no way anyone can perform an experiment before there was space or time. As a result, any ideas about what happened prior to that can not be proven (or dismissed as wrong). Cynique, personally I don't think America's form of government should be forced on any other group of people. In fact I think any efforts by our leadership to do this in foreign countries is just so that we can exploit the workforce, resources and open more McDonalds and sell more Coca-cola. Given your second paragraph you understand the perspective I've expressed. Further, we ALL make judgements of other people (whether we want to acknowledge those judgements or not). We make friends and select spouses based upon a wide range of judgments -- some of which may are probably unconscious. These judgements are not only necessary for a functioning society they are necessary for our own happiness. Of course I understand that everyone is unique and we all judge differently. As a result we must also make compromises and tradeoffs on our individual judgements. Our ability to make these tradeoff is key to the success of our society, marriages and our individual ability to make it in this world.

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Del in order for people to live together we HAVE to make judgements about the behavior of others. You just can't have people running around all willy-nilly doing what ever strikes their fancy and expect people to live harmoniously together. If some thug comes into your home with the intention of slaughtering your children and raping your wife as you watch. I suspect you'd would disapprove of his intentions, why? I'm not asking you to judge anyone across space and time like slave holders 200 years ago, I'm talking about today. You seem unwilling to recognize that people do wrong things and we should call them for what they are WRONG. Del understand: No one is disputing Newton's extraordinary brilliance. However he did not conceptualize much of what we know about the universe today. Even his gravitational equations, though terrific for it's time, were discovered to be wrong when it failed to calculate the orbit of mercury correctly. But if he were alive today with modern knowledge who knows what he could have come up with. You continue completely mus-characterizing science. You seem to have an ax to grind. For example, you wrote "[most] scientists dismiss any thing that can be quantitatively verified". Just because they can't quantify something does not mean they dismiss it. Nothing is dismissed until it is proven wrong. There are multiple theories describing what existed before the big bang, a scientist can never dismiss any of these theories because they can never be proven wrong.

I guess that is the fundamental difference between what you and I believe Del. I believe the behavior of these suicide bombers is reprehensible and wrong. You seem unwilling to commit either way in describing the behavior. That is cool, but it is a profound and fundamental difference in our belief systems. Those suicide bombers don't corner the market because I also feel the behavior of the US in many occasions is far worse. I believe some of my personal behavior is wrong from time to time. I think a definition of what is right and wrong is required to avoid complete and utter chaos in the world. Del your "logic" analogy is muddling your argument because you are not expressing it properly. For example' "Some men are taller than women. John is a man Joan is a women, so John is taller than Joan" So I agree it is a fact Joan could be taller than John and the statement is logical. Again this is different that what you wrote the first time. You mus-understood my statement about Newton. I said he was a smart person -- one of the smartest, so I agree with you there. However what he knew and understood about the world pales in comparison with what a PhD knows in 2013. Newton probably never conceptualized the Standard Model of Particle Physics, know to every 1st college student. He never envisioned Special Relativity know by even people with a passing interest in science. Sure Newton is smarter but he knew FAR less than what people know today. Like a caveman looking at the star filled sky reasoning that they must be Gods -- never understanding that they were simply other Suns unimaginably far away... Cynique do you think that old people become set in their ways or those people were always like that, even in there youth? Perhaps people set in there ways live longer... they take less risks, never deal with the stress of challenging their own beliefs, never stray far from home, etc.

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Del is my last sentence was actually rhetorical in nature, but since it gets to the heart of what you mean. Would you mind answering it? Is there anything wrong with suicide bombers killing themselves and others in the name of their religion? I'll check out "embodied mind theory" Humans even discount things they believe in wholeheartedly, One uses mathematics to check the soundness of mathematics. Your distinction of Religion and Science makes them sound like opposites to me. :-) Del, "Men are taller than women, John is a man Joan is a women, so John is taller than Joan." This statement is true, logical, and factual if you meant "All" Men which is implied by the way you worded the question. Agreed science certainly can not answer all our questions -- indeed it seems preoccupied with generating more questions than answers. Newton may have been one of the smartest people to walk the earth in recorded history but his knowledge of the universe pales in comparison to a modern PhD. studied in the subject.

Opinions about how one feels about something can't be wrong they are opinions: "I thought Madea's Family Reunion was a great play" Opinions about facts can and often are wrong: "That big woman who played Madea is an excellent actress" I'm not sure why you would describe "science" as arrogant and closed minded. Science is the exact opposite. I know of know other "belief system" that will drop an earlier belief the minute someone demonstrates it to be wrong. Del I think you get into trouble trying to compare religion with science. They are two very different things. Christianity, is based upon pure faith. Either you believe or you don't. Sure ignorance is bliss. It would be nice to believe that if I blow myself up, along with some innocent by standers, that I'll have 72 virgins waiting to spend eternity with me. I have no such comfort. In a perverse way, I envy those suicide guys, so absolute their beliefs. Then again I'd probably request 36 virgins, and 36 with a lot of experience... Del, I guess you don't believe there is anything wrong with the beliefs of those suicide bombers.

Here is a sampling of the titles from the "long list". I'm sure at least 3 of these will ultimately become finalists: 2013 National Book Award Longlist for Fiction The Good Lord Bird (Riverhead Books/Penguin Group) by James McBride 2013 National Book Award Longlist for Nonfiction Freedom National: The Destruction of Slavery in the United States, 1861-1865 by James Oakes (W.W. Norton & Company) The Internal Enemy: Slavery and War in Virginia, 1772-1832 by Alan Taylor (W.W. Norton & Company) Duke: A Life of Duke Ellington by Terry Teachout (Gotham Books/Penguin Group) 2013 National Book Award Longlist for Poetry Bury My Clothes by Roger Bonair-Agard (Haymarket Books) The Big Smoke by Adrian Matejka (Penguin Poets/Penguin Group)