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@Delano, who, me? Probably. Did what

@Delano, may I also respond? "Sounder" 1972 starring Cicely Tyson, Paul Winfield, and Kevin Hooks. Now that's a movie of real social value (literary fiction) only without the special effects and clever dialogue. Or, you can go with the original "Porky and Bess," all Black cast.

@Delano, yes brother, but they are Whites and Jews, they don’t need college degrees to achieve what they accomplished collectively. It was more than just one individual, but at least two set-up entities for monopoly by the others. Don’t kid yourself, educated minds were behind those people.

@Troy, brother, you’re mixing fiction with non-fiction. The attempt is aimed toward a sort of “Literary Fiction” where special effects and interesting dialogue greatly outweigh the “social value” intended. We are talking about the “Black Panther” movie, right? What good is popcorn and coke if there’s no opposing folk present? The movie was made from the White perspectives of the African American dilemma; mainly convey to the audience Black pride in violence and going against the gain (social values).

HEY, to hell with everyone else, sister @Cynique just me a years dose of honorific. I'll not let it go to my head!

@Cynique, great point, madam fact checker. I agree college will root out the disinterested on its own. I’d like to disclose a (relevant to this discussion) privilege interaction I had many years ago, I conversed with a high profile African American brother named Larry Hoover considered of extreme social deviance. He displayed extraordinary intellect it was almost unbelievable. I wondered why he never pursued advanced education until it became obvious he was distracted by a character that lacking in empathy, resentment toward authority, and indifference to pain and suffering; I believe this sort of behavior is described as being a sociopath. Unfortunately, many of our Black brothers and sisters, especially White folk, are held back due to similar disadvantages. His only concern was for the “naggers that brought me,” meaning obligation only to his crew (please excuse demeaning description). I would learn much later, Mr. Hoover became America’s most wanted for extreme social deviant behavior considered a threat to National Security. These are the ones I refer to as educated fools. I say this to point-out dangers of undisciplined, unchecked intelligence of our Black youth. That brother was more than ready for advanced education but lacked academic guidance may have transformed a fledgling sociopath a highly intelligent scholar. He lacked hope from watching, listening to the world tell him he can’t do it; it’s a waste of time, and he doesn’t have what it takes. Now, the functionalist argument would be “well his parents failed in their duties,” etc. another excuse to keep us from drawing water from the well. It all feels subjective to me. Some go to college and go on to be wealthy because of it. Others go to college, Ivy League even, and can't find a job to save their life (I indirectly know a few who are in this position). Some have zero higher education and even dropped out of high school and are multi-millionaires now, others dropped out of high school and either can't find a job or live on minimum wage. It really seems to depend on the person and the situation. I hear stories on both sides of the education fence and it varies wildly. Education has helped some, it hasn't helped others. For some it hasn't helped, they have nothing. For others it hasn't helped, they are rich and brilliant beyond anything we could imagine. We each get what we get, or don't get what we don't get based on our life experiences and drive. Nothing seems hard and fast when it comes to individual experiences with education. @Zaji, it is subjective sister in that its personal, and there’s nothing tangible there, but not all. A college education is as tangible as the air we breathe because it has the capability to prolong, if not save, life. We live in a world where what I call protestant ethics, mentalities rule thinking and behavior. Those who know it won’t admit and the ones who admit obscure influences do so with such conviction it’s almost like brainwashing.

@Troy, thanks for the honorific brother, a nobody like me hardly deserve an explanation.

@Troy. I sustain this topic is really vegetables with a hearty healthy serving of meat, both are necessary! is it the degree that’s less significant, or the reason people endeavor to obtain a college degree? I’d propose that the (passive) reason(s) people get a college degree is increasingly being rendered benign. There’s no denial having a college degree makes one a better earner and more in demand, extremely capable of producing. People today strive for college degrees as an avenue to get rich, recognized only when deciding who gets the job or a bonus. Like it or not White folk are in-charge, they place value on a college degree as use to deny or get what they want for as little as possible in return. Which begs the question; was it your overwhelming enthusiasm and determination that allowed you strike-out on your own, or was that and the academic skills and information you got from an advanced study? Would you have been successful without the academics? I’d venture that without your academics as the foundation that took you beyond the ordinary, your success would not have had the independent creative insight to stand on. You apparently started off with the hope of earning a lot of money (Goldman Sachs) but your disappointment wasn’t getting the job (BA, MBA) it was treatment respecting your skills. Would have gotten that job without your college degrees? Could you have created AALBC without computer science training, marketing, and rhetorical training? Probably not. One the one hand I believe one can get the same benefits of even a Ph.D. with little more than spending several years at the local library. On the other hand, some people require personalized instruction and face-to-face classroom exposure. But it is true, you can tell the winners from the losers at the starting gate, children and their annoying “why” for everything, answers of which determines their worldview. It isn’t the methods (@Troy) of the hidden curriculum that separates fairness from equality, it’s the use. Two for me, one for you; you’d make a better worker bee, I’d be a better manager for the queen bee. Education (college degree) is a viable tool to break down barriers, make one’s motion better. Wealth and prestige are incidental benefits. Our Black people, at this point in human history, require better motion (action) and means to break down the barriers our children will eventually face. You think a child is has a better chance in life with a vast inheritance, or following in the footsteps of a parent with a BA, MA, or Ph.D.? We require 'hope' as not empty broken promises, but something viable, tangible and substantive for sustainability. Do you something better than obtaining an education at the most advanced levels?

@Delano, damn brother, that took some guts to disavow other members vindication of academic exposure. And I thank you for such honesty; which goes to my point (subject to your honesty) that Black folk with limited academic exposure does, not only, have the ability to absorb advanced information but can go beyond with just empirical exposure to life in America. Hence, even I had to accept the other member's assertions because of already informed commentary. Just think, @Delano, how dangerous you’d be with a BA, or MA strapped to your side, the sort of reckoning that makes America quiver at the knees without someone convincing you that really can’t do it?

There is an ongoing education program going on America, for quite some time now; it’s called “The Hidden Curriculum,” Hidden curriculum refers to the unwritten, unofficial, and often unintended lessons, values, and perspectives that students learn in school. While the “formal” curriculum consists of the courses, lessons, and learning activities students participate in, as well as the knowledge and skills educators intended. Now, because the curriculum is unofficial there are no set standards, and States are free to implement the whatever exercise’s they want, with varied outcomes (and without Government interference, regulations), or ‘unintended lessons and values.’ This information is worth checking out for yourselves It’s worth reading some of the sick philosophies, ideas, and rationale educators use to justify the program, including Betsy DeVos and other’s assertions that Black children are naturally inferior to other groups and lack the ability, motivation, and discipline to learn. That secondary, advanced education is a waste of time for them. Among the varies lessons in the hidden curriculum, Black are taught to never challenge authority, sit-up straight in the classroom, etc. While their White counterparts are to always question authority and to relax in class conducing to learning. The minority groups make better laborers, unskilled workers while the other make better managers and leaders. What I’m hearing in this discussion might even be construed as new rationale adding to reasons for the hidden curriculum. However, everyone has a right to her/his opinion, and often than not, it's useless to point-out flaws in human convictions and beliefs. One part of me believes all humans are doomed with no hope, another part, however, have certainly limited faith that humankind does have the ability to change beyond the ordinary. But probably never will.

@Pioneer1, are you implying I jump to conclusion, judgmental, imposing, and borderline disrespectful, rude. So what, you know me. That still makes me more known to you.

It hasn't even been seconds since vindication. Convenient!

@Cynique, take you pick, sister you want to kick me with your heels, or my boot? @Troy, I was unaware such information existed, Mr. Graves, I’m sure to have learned to live with skepticism when interacting with people unaware of his identity. I am always skeptical of secrets and hidden things for the simple reason an unsatisfied curiosity. Not a troll, not a mole known as Earl Graves founder of Black Enterprise Magazine who advocates education as a waste of time because some people don't have the ability to learn.

@Troy, I agree we should disagree. Sister @Cynique is thinking with an open mind to infer we should at least always try, trying is never a waste of time even if it yields nothing in the end. As a Viet Nam Era Veteran, I can attest to the fact that a great many of brother and sisters attended colleges and universities to only get the educational benefits, we call it pimping the program. That even though many remain addicted to drugs, alcohol, PTSD, etc. they were able to stand on their own two feet; some while knee deep in debt. It is almost ludicrous to speak self-independence without and believe advanced education is a waste of time. Just imagine how many of our Black brothers and sisters already really believe that. Any effort that may alleviate another generation of fools is not a waste of time!

@Troy. Right brother but that’s what @Pioneer1 said. His words were “I just don't believe most people have the ABILITY to achieve a professional degree. So I believe it's a waste of valuable time expecting them to.” It’s that idea ‘waste of time and other commentaries’ that compromises his position.

@Delano, I never said you didn’t. As for me exposure to Methods of Qualitative and Quantitative Research never required the use of Statistic software.

@Delano. The post replies previous response. If this is your idea of harassment I think it’s quite childish for a college graduate. But it isn’t harassment, for that to work the harasser would have some significance to the harassed. You are insignificant to me as a person, and since we’ve never visited each other’s house, we’re not friends. You’re a Black brother, don’t know you well enough to say I like you, annoy me if you will. I’m sure it’s the extent of your capabilities as a man. As I said I'm not an administrator. But if you like you and I can start a new thread open for random discussion.

@Delano. No! it is not off topic.

A judgment call based on what I construed as ill-advised commentary. Apologies!

@Pioneer1. The means, brother, is any ‘best’ option available that grants one the ability to excel beyond the ordinary. An ‘end’ is just that, the end which everyone eventually approaches. Education, unless you have a better ‘best’ option, is the most available best option where our people get the rare opportunity to face the ‘end’ with dignity and on terms other than at another’s mercy. Anyone who endeavors an education to beg someone else for an opportunity, or for the sole purpose of getting rich had already lost. Thus, the term “educated fools.” No, education is the vehicle whereby we make our motion better. Make her/his actions meaningful and effective. All things considered, modernism, post-reconstruction, providing one’s own living standards; building houses, etc. is no easy feat. I understand ancient African nations lived off the “fat of the land” with little more than community cooperation. But then came domestication of livestock, controlled agriculture, all controlled by someone else. Instead of ancient “hunting and gathering” on an as-needed chore. America is not Africa, and even African cannot survive by today’s standards Additionally, the system you assert White men set-up wasn’t set-up by White men at all. There were over 1000 universities in Africa while White folk was still eating raw meat. And as beholden to White folk, fuck debt, try to collect it when I’m dead because my children will know how to keep you out of their pockets. Institutions you claim we should establish just won’t happen without approval from the Government, I guarantee we won’t get since it is already their effort to keep us uninformed and dependent on construction jobs and in factories at non-livable wages. Finally, show me a Black adult or youth person who is unable to learn, or lack the capacity, discipline to commit to learning advanced information and I’ll show a person who has mental emotional disadvantages; burdens of which are not an asset to the community. Thank God for jails, mental hospitals, and prisons that separate the sane who are awake, from insane who may never come out of slumber. I refuse to believe someone who understands how to solve a quadratic equation won’t crave learning analytical calculus. Or conversing with our Black scholars won’t lead them to learn philosophic logic and reasoning. In-fact a Black person has the capacity for the sciences and academics to levels unheard of if committed to the discipline. Please, don’t mimic Gorka, Bannon, Betsy Davis and the other White ethnocentric mentalities that advocate inferiority of Black folk. Change your mind about higher education! @Delano, I'm not an administrator. Why cc me on this post?

@Delano. @Cynique, point taken. I was unaware that brother was a college graduate, I was fooled, but had my doubts when @Troy inferred he had hands-on with SPSS software . Furthermore, by no means have I even attempted to make rules or change a program already in place. Not at all that in need or interested in making of friends or crowd following, especially blossom buddies. Nor can I be detected too, by anyone, as I do not detect to anyone else. Yes, I can explode and make judgments if so chose, unless of course, you're a communist, as long as no one loses any limbs, pride isn't hurt, or name defamed. That's my human right even if God doesn't like it. WE'RE ALL ADULTS HERE. DEAL WITH IT!! I am fairly alarmed about @Pioneer1, who appear, someone, he is not. But even that is rendered harmless now that I’m aware.

THAT'S IT, PEOPLE. We have either a troll, a mole, and worse in our midst. At best a troll or mole. At worse, someone who isn't who he pertains to be.

@Cynique. Now we wait. A person without suspicion will respond within an hour. One with suspicion needs time to regroup or never respond again. We wait. You’ve no idea how important stuff like is to me especially. I’m in a foreign country with a questionable background and a target on his back. I need to blame someone for some recent experiences I’ve faced. There’s no better evidence than social media records and data.

@Pioneer1Until this very moment, I had no idea that isn’t your image brother @Pioneer1, and it could (actually) be your true image for all I know. It doesn’t matter. What does matter is ‘why,’ why would a person not want to reveal her/his self instead of using, say, no image at all? An even more pertinent question is what perception it is you’re trying to convey using a false image, and why, if in fact that isn’t your true image? Sister @Cynique has this annoying knack for her dogmatic honesty very often worth paying close attention to. And, dammit, she’s right again! Considering your replies as to education, which I had the pleasure of discussing, adamantly disagreeing with you that higher education is too much of burden for Black folk to handle, or words to that effect. I ask myself now, for what reason would a person suggest such an idea even if it were true. And especially when I’ve just scolded a Black man for being uninformed. Am I to resolve that’s really your honest position, thought, or feeling? Because it is not a fact higher education is too difficult a task for Blacks. Oh, and then there's your comment agreeing with me again, that you don't subscribe to Democrat nor Republican. Was it some covert way of dissuading Blacks from voting for the best of the worse? Or on the other hand, if you are with the Justice Department monitoring chatter of violence or overthrowing the Damn Government; then I definitely, really want you here as proof of this sites innocence of breaking the law. In either case, you already know about me and my background. That I don't play that type of shit, and I'm not stupid. The other stuff is too embarrassing and I'll sue (even Pro Se) if you do reveal it. You know I'm capable of doing that too as I've succeeded before. The Attorney General of a certain State is still reeling from my kicking her White ass around the globe. Come clean, brother, if you are a brother; or come dirty, but without spraying on deodorant to hide the BS BO. Even if you really are one of the White internet trolls infiltrating Black websites I'd still welcome conversing with you. It is still a marginally wide and not-so-wonderful world. I'm just saying. Your credibility is at stake.

@Pioneer1. The means, brother, is any ‘best’ option available that grants one the ability to excel beyond the ordinary. An ‘end’ is just that, the end which everyone eventually approaches. Education, unless you have a better ‘best’ option, is the most available best option where our people get the rare opportunity to face the ‘end’ with dignity and on terms other than at another’s mercy. Anyone who endeavors an education to beg someone else for an opportunity, or for the sole purpose of getting rich had already lost. Thus, the term “educated fools.” No, education is the vehicle whereby we make our motion better. Make her/his actions meaningful and effective. All things considered, modernism, post-reconstruction, providing one’s own living standards; building houses, etc. is no easy feat. I understand ancient African nations lived off the “fat of the land” with little more than community cooperation. But then came domestication of livestock, controlled agriculture, all controlled by someone else. Instead of ancient “hunting and gathering” on an as-needed chore. America is not Africa, and even African cannot survive by today’s standards Additionally, the system you assert White men set-up wasn’t set-up by White men at all. There were over 1000 universities in Africa while White folk was still eating raw meat. And as beholden to White folk, fuck debt, try to collect it when I’m dead because my children will know how to keep you out of their pockets. Institutions you claim we should establish just won’t happen without approval from the Government, I guarantee we won’t get since it is already their effort to keep us uninformed and dependent on construction jobs and in factories at non-livable wages. Finally, show me a Black adult or youth person who is unable to learn, or lack the capacity, discipline to commit to learning advanced information and I’ll show a person who has mental emotional disadvantages; burdens of which are not an asset to the community. Thank God for jails, mental hospitals, and prisons that separate the sane who are awake, from insane who may never come out of slumber. I refuse to believe someone who understands how to solve a quadratic equation won’t crave learning analytical calculus. Or conversing with our Black scholars won’t lead them to learn philosophic logic and reasoning. In-fact a Black person has the capacity for the sciences and academics to levels unheard of if committed to the discipline. Please, don’t mimic Gorka, Bannon, Betsy Davis and the other White ethnocentric mentalities that advocate inferiority of Black folk. Change your mind about higher education!