The Line Of Edom?

[Pioneer1]

Had a pretty interesting conversation with a Hebrew Israelite brother and sister last night over some tea, coffee, and a bean pie....lol.

Straight choppin' it up!

After we finished and got up, there was nothing on that table but some empty porcelain cups and a foil pan without so much as a CRUMB in that mug....lol.

Apparently they believe that race and racial lineage isn't determined by...or atleast isn't JUST determined by....phenotype and what color a person is but by what race their FATHER is.

As it relates to us as AfroAmericans; they seem to believe in two major lines:  The line of Edom (whom most of us call White folks or Caucasians) and the line of Jacob (whom most of us call AfroAmericans and Latinos).

I didn't say I agreed with this, I said that this is roughly MY UNDERSTANDING of what most of them believe.
I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.

So according to them, if your father is White/Edomite  but your mother is Black/Jabob....then you are actually White/Edomite.

Now I don't necessarily believe that, however if it is true....that also brings up a very interesting problem in our community given the 500 plus years of racial mixing.

If this is true, that means the CHILD of a White father is an Edomite no matter how mixed or Black he is.
And since HE is an Edomite, that means any children he produces...even with other Black people (assuming they aren't Edomites...lol) will also be Edomites, no?

Again, if I'm wrong about this understanding, someone who knows the doctrine please correct me.

Because if this is the case, a LARGE percentage of us as AfroAmericans and others who LOOK like Black (Jacob) people may...according to their doctrine....actually be White children of Edom.

Ofcourse I personally don't believe this, but part of me wonders IF it's true.....that would really complicate things.
How would a "separation" take place without Divine help?

During the conversation I actually thought about YOU @Chevdove and the number of time you posted links and did threads about DNA and how the father's lineage affected the various generations and was wondering if THIS was what you were trying to explain to us and others or where your posts making different points.

Obviously I'd like to hear from our sista Chev on the matter but it also might be something our brutha @frankster may be interested in since we talk about race and ethnicity so much.

[Troy]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Again, if I'm wrong about this understanding, someone who knows the doctrine please correct me.

 

Why bother trying to understand?  Huge portions of the Black population in the former European colonies are descendant from white men.   @Pioneer1 you'd call most of these people Black because you are fixated on phenotype.

 

The idea of multiple human races is really something we need to dispense with as it relates to human beings.  It only purpose was to justify the elevatation of e one so-called race over another.

 

BTW @Pioneer1 I'm still waiting for you to show be some 23 & me test for race...

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Had a pretty interesting conversation with a Hebrew Israelite brother and sister last night over some tea, coffee, and a bean pie....lol.

Straight choppin' it up!

Reads like the kind of meal that would keep folks from getting the -itis and falling asleep during a heavy conversation.

 

There's a whole lotta Black folks on the planet.

 

Tribe or Edom or Jacob won't make any difference in breaking out of prison.

[umbrarchist]

5 hours ago, Troy said:

 

Why bother trying to understand? 

That pretty much covers it.

[Chevdove]

On 8/25/2024 at 2:07 PM, Pioneer1 said:

During the conversation I actually thought about YOU @Chevdove and the number of time you posted links and did threads about DNA and how the father's lineage affected the various generations and was wondering if THIS was what you were trying to explain to us and others or where your posts making different points.

Obviously I'd like to hear from our sista Chev on the matter but it also might be something our brutha @frankster may be interested in since we talk about race and ethnicity so much.

 

Thank you for considering me! @Pioneer1

I am going to do some research on the term 'ethnicity' because I need a better understanding. This is why, even though I saw your other thread about 'degrees of Blackness' where you address frankster, I did not respond. I actually don't understand how 'Colorism' has morphed into 'Racial identity' and this is so confusing for me. What I do believe though is that Europeans during the 1500s began to re-classify humans today based on skin color and their racial categories and not scientific at all, nevertheless, today, it is crucial though to understand that after so long, it has become a significant factor. Let me clarify what I mean:

 

It is now about 500 years since the Europeans did that re-classification of humans based on skin color. So, for hundreds of years, Black African people were deprived of so many human rights and were not allowed to read or write and were enslaved for hundreds of years. Whereas Europeans were given great opportunities to be educated and have jobs and money and etc. Therefore, today, when you mark 'Black' on any type of legal application it now means that you are defining 'a Racial category'!

And if your mark 'White' is also means that you are defining 'a Racial category'! It doesn't matter that ii is wrong, this is a reality.

It's confusion, but after so long, this is how people are being perceived, imo.

 

On 8/25/2024 at 2:07 PM, Pioneer1 said:

If this is true, that means the CHILD of a White father is an Edomite no matter how mixed or Black he is.
And since HE is an Edomite, that means any children he produces...even with other Black people (assuming they aren't Edomites...lol) will also be Edomites, no?

Again, if I'm wrong about this understanding, someone who knows the doctrine please correct me.

 

The original Israelites would defined 'culturally' and genetically as being 'African-typed'. The dominant trait of Original or aboriginal Africans would be dark skinned and this is 'a trait'. Color is not the primary trait though because just like African Americans today, we come in many shades, so would the ancient Israelites. 

 

I don't know anything about the Edomites and their dominant cultural traits. Bibically, they intermixed with the Amalekites and were referred to as 'Dukes' and so, they might have had a dominant presence of 'Asiatic' traits. I don't know. 

 

When I sometimes think about the Israelites, I think about making other comparisons of other cultures of people for example, the Chinese people.

After thousands upon thousands of years, no one questions their 'color'. Still today, they are defined by dominant traits such as having folds in their eye shape and flat faces as a dominant trait amongst them. No matter if Chinese people are brown or very light skinned, they are not defined based on their skin color, even after thousands of years. 

Same for Scandinavians or people from Iceland. No one questions their dominant traits that have defined them for thousands of years. But when it comes to the Hebrew Israelites, somehow, the issue of color has become primary over 'what should be' their dominant African traits like hair texture.  

 

 

On 8/25/2024 at 5:58 PM, Troy said:

The idea of multiple human races is really something we need to dispense with as it relates to human beings.  It only purpose was to justify the elevatation of e one so-called race over another.

 

The problem is ignoring this would be that the powers that be has already used color legally to harm so many humans. We can't ignore this until it stops. If we ignore Colorism, it will not end, it will continue and get worse. 

[Troy]

Everyone would have to ignore it @Chevdove for it to benefit us all. until then we’ll need continue to fight .