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The ongoing discussion blowing up the board, started out with the question "is science the new religion", and proceeded to morph into a slugfest over whether science espouses religion. As a debate, it exemplified the "irresistible force meeting an immovable object" axiom. The passion with which participants proselytized their arguments was akin to religious fervor, with everybody trying to exorcise the demons of those with opposing views. From another perspective, the heated exchanges were also a war of words, aiming verbal weapons that missed as often as they hit their targets. Truth was twisted and facts were bent. What had an equally interesting effect was the side-liners who chose not to enter the fray or take sides, not to mention a mediator who injected challenges. In the end it was, not surprising, me against Pioneer. Me, trying to rise above my ad-hominem arguments, to say in so many words that they're 2 sides to every question, and Pioneer probably sticking to his guns. This brouhaha was more of a showcase for a clash of personalities than anything. Very little was resolved before the subject meandered off on another tangent, asking whether acknowledging religion was on a par with accepting it. Conflict seems to be a very dominant factor in human interaction. Most people are not only looking for reinforcement of their views but for conversion to them. Everybody wants to be right and in the process the end doesn't always justify the means. Kudos to those mature enough to be open-minded good listeners, and who make enlightenment their priority. When i grow up, i want to be just like you. This is knowledge i have come to comprehend and it's going to the top of my bucket list.

Aw come on Del, Christian roots, principles, or whatever you wanna call it -- it had nothing to do with Christianity.

@Del I suggest you start a new post, posing this question. This one is already too long.

Both.

That is called wisdom; it comes with age (usually). Interestingly you don't become enlightened winning arguments.

@Cynique This is where I would like to be too. Unfortunately, I fail at every day. Thank goodness for tomorrows.

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The foundling fathers of this country did not intend for it to be a theocracy, and kept "God" out of the constitution. All references such as "Under God" and "In God We Trust" were adopted later. God, put in context as a personification of the Big Bang, can be separated from religion, which was created by Man.

@DelI find what Mel said more on point. There's a difference between acknowledging the existence of religion and incorporating it into the scientific field of study.

i concede that my statement about science never espousing religion was an opinion. Conventional wisdom in regard to this question indicates that the lines are blurred; a moot situation. It just depends. Nuclear science doesn't espouse religion. The science of aerodynamics doesn't espouse religion. Mechanical physics doesn't espouse religion. Psychiatry doesn't espouse religion. And nowhere, as Mel explained, is the delineation between BC and AD cited as an example of science espousing religion. Except according to that well-known authority on nothing. And that would be you.

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