Delano

Based on your comment I would say it doesn't make a difference to you. And perhaps if my words and or thinking were more in alignment with you or yours. We wouldn't have these disagreements. However there probably wouldn't be any need for me to post. I thought that before I started thinking about some of the possible implications and the multitude of branches of thought or ideas. You could argue that thought and ideas are different. Not certain whether they should agree in number. or to be a bit more accurate (precise ) should both be plural. Since writing them singularly doesn't seem or feel correct or the right thing to do . So I left out the alternative due noto being an ambidextrous thinker or writer of words and by extension ideas, or thoughts on the subject matter. Even though the field or rather scope seems to have shifted, but I could wrong. I have never seen a naudance on my life. Although in the future or rather going forward it could give more insightful answers. unless you prefer other types or manners of exposition. perhaps you are right except that I don't know what in the name of f♡<k you are talking about. Since I posted a pro and con postion on the issue of pormograohy (BTW I didn't correct this typo so that You don't think I am grammar mazi about spelling. BTW themail there isn't agreement as to whether spelling is part of grammar. or at least that is what my search either implied or stated explicitly. or rather the results stated by their sites that were a function of the query.

I guess this is a humorous response to my question. You give the following answers . 38, Idk ,I have never counted. And then ask three questions. I don't know how many I know. I can make an estimate of how many based on how many women I have talked to over 12 years. Although I have no way of determining whether they were feminists when I met them. Or are we counting current feminists. I am assuming my estimate only applies to women. Since I don't generally think of men as feminists , although they could be feminsts in either theory , practice either or both. You could I mean that rhetorically argue whether something or someone is a feminist based on the above points. Or I can give you the answer that you want or would at least be more satisfactory. So if you can respond I will answer in the manner that you choose. Although of you don't answer or give plural answers that are members of the null set ... I will respond in some way that either feels correct or is not correct.

I will respond point by point.

illuminating

@Troy how many feminists do you know? Pornography transformed women into “adult toys,” wrote feminist activist, journalist and Women Against Pornography (WAP) co-founder Susan Brownmiller in 1975, “dehumanized objects to be used, abused, broken and discarded.” “Pornography is the theory; rape is the practice,” former Ms. magazine editor Robin Morgan declared in 1977. Pornography, some argued, was a form of terror: women “will know that we are free when the pornography no longer exists,” wrote Andrea Dworkin, one of the most well-known advocates of anti-porn feminism, in 1981. In 1996, legal scholar Catharine MacKinnon argued against the idea that pornography was a creative practice entitled to First Amendment protection. While pornography itself was not responsible for sexual assaults against women, wrote MacKinnon, “men who are made, changed and impelled by” porn were. Defenders of porn within radical feminism did not seek to deny the reality of exploitation and sexual violence: novelist Dorothy Allison, a member of FACT, wrote freely about having been subjected to cruel, sexualized beatings and incestuous rape as a child. But feminists who called themselves “pro-sex” objected to the idea that consuming or making porn was categorically harmful. Journalist Ellen Willis asked in 1979: “Is there any objective criterion for healthy or satisfying sex, and if so what is it?” In the same vein, others pointed out that the charges against pornography could be made against most erotic art. As former sex worker and lesbian feminist activist Amber Hollibaugh wrote in 1980, she “could make a strong argument for the potential violence of Harlequin romances” because of their depictions of heterosexual relationships. Gay historian and longtime feminist activist John D’Emilio saw violence against women on television and in mainstream films as a greater danger than porn, “since the mass media pose as real life.”

I don't know how many feminists you know ,but it's is an issue.

okay Neo

Really Cynique?

@Troy maybe the question isn't looking for the cause. But trying to understand the significance of the effect. In which case it means that there are no randomn occurrences. I seem to be a connector or I used to be. For instance at one of my brunches I had two people who were next door neighbors but had never met.

People are not rational. I knew a woman who would try and get over on her man. And then said if she did she couldn't respect him. She ended up with a sensitive big teddy bear of a guy. Who was street but really affectionate. Later on. I heard he literally took cats out. So at the job he was really sweet to her but in the hood he was a killer. I also knew a feminist who liked to look at porn. I Asked her how that worked she said i dont know but it turns me on.

I'll check out Saul, he is much more progressive and proactive than myself. It's a big complement (is that the correct one , don't want to appear obtuse.

Provocative. Troy it's all hole. I was waiting to hear your explanation.

Troy maybe let it go.

@Troyyou have overtaken my position about there not being any facts nor objective reality. Well done. I would have expected more stories, this is not a very robust simulation

Hmm Mel you have me thinking again.

Look. Man some of thr $h1+ yiu day drives me up one wall and down the other. But your my man.

Troy it is your show. I have nothing but admiration for the site. You can unbunch your undies. In case you weren't paying attention its your page your show. I have never suggested how to handle anything. Ever. Even if you ask me I have no criticism of what you do here. I havr too much affection and respect for you.

@Kalexander2 what's your perspective on Troy's statement?

@Pioneer1how about addressing the statements i made instead of redirection. How does respecting anyone's right to speak equate to inability to deal with conflict. I am going light on you, because this issue with Kalexander is still a sore point, but if you persist i will mow you down. Sorry but i have just set you up. You either have to hold your tongue (which your ego and pride can not abide or try to defend an indefensible position ((you have a real dilemma here, there's very little space for you to return the volley, Ace)) ((( luckily you believe that your anal cyst is up ro the task ))) ((((I initially wrote think but that isnt what is happening, you are all up in those feelings))))) . Ask Troy to explain the nested statements, and Cynique to explain the anal cyst pun. I am paraphrasing the words of Morpheus to Neo, "Pioneer isn't breathing air." Here's a picture of our relationship Mr Grass Sincerely John D.

Troy Troy can you please tell us all what my experience is online. Since you have stated I have limited experience with forums. @Cynique Troy you have made a statement based on your perception of me on your site. So can you please tell me what my experience is outside of this site. Since you have said that twice. Although now you ate asking me what my experience online is. Veey smooth transition. Will you switch it to a question, that yiu will say I refuse to answer.. Thereby trying to cover the fact that you made an amazingly either prescient or uninformed statement about my behaviour from one data point. It is not I who is avoiding a direct question, @Troy Just waiting for rhe redirect, where you say its a rgetiricak statement or hyperbole because you have no way of knowing or answering my question.

@Troy tell us about my limited experience with forums. Don't leave anything out. And you're the grass.

I lived there right across from the park. Where the school is located used to be a garbage dump. In high school a car load of the white kids from Westchester went to Hunts Point. After a few of them were served, they found out their gal was a guy. Two of my neighbors used to go down there on the regular.

You and I are sharing our perspective. That's not the whole story. I have made am intellectual observation which is neither psychological nor emotional .

My first home was Hunts Point in the South Bronx. And at 5 I remember seeing kids sniff glue. Hunts Point is still famous for prostitution. We had to pass them coming home at night. Up until about 2005 I still had relatives in Hunts Point.