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Okay if your going to complain about proof reading and spell check, you should nr error free. Also we started talking about images I mentioned role models. I feel the two are somewhat related. I see your point be a financial successful opinionated bigot is good. I agree that the father in good times is strong. I remember Dick Gregory saying that the secondary leader of the family in the father's absence is a fool. Dick Gregory also felt that Lamont was a pretty disrespectful in the series. I hadn't really thought of either of those things. You could argue that the tv shows that you mentioned showed black family trying to do their best. If you object to role models than I am fine to keep the conversation limited to images. Also I probably have less free time than you and I don't really proof, what I write. I can see your point. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Can you name 5 tv shows, that had at least two seasons. The tv shows don't have to be on tv for five years. The five just have to be on within the same 5 years. I think I was pretty clear excluding movies since they probably would not be two seasons long. I would have to disagree with you. I think the way women are portrayed in the media is as an object. I think this has been covered before. Look at newscasters. Older women have fewer roles than older men. The red carpet of award shows is predominantly about the sexual desirability of women. Whereas for men it is about power as sex. So can you mentioned three can you think of two more series on commercial TV.

Okay Cynique I can't type, bit at least my grammar is bad and I don't use spell check. Okay you have four shows and you want to use George Jefferson, Lsmont Sanford, and JJ as black role models. Ned Kelly was interviewed after he fid Roots. He said there are no positive black male role models. He also said there aren't any positive white male role models. You may have assumed I was talking about Black shows I meant all shows. It's pretty hard to come up with 5 commercial tv shows that were quality. In any 5 consecutive years.

Troy I reckon that you can't name 5 shows on commercial tv that had more than one season. In any 5 year period. TV has always been crap. Pioneer - I'll. Hive it a shot. Tap; Colour Purple(girl gets girl, hadn't seen it though), White Nights; Uptown Saturday Night, Piece of the Action, let's do ir again, Claudine; Heavy Metal, Brother from another Planet; Mo Better Blues.

What I meant to post was that there was no commentary from Ryan O'Neil on the DVD extras. Troy - I have noticed in my last fw post that you attribute comments to me that are not mine. And then don't respond to direct questions. Are you tired or busy?

That's interesting because there's no commentary from Rysn O'Neil. O think Superfly is about someone who decides to change his only way of life. Yeah I just don't have that strong a filter to judge someone. A pig is apparently clean,highly intelligent and it has an hour long orgasm. The characters struck me as human. In a way that most reality shows I have seen or not. I also think they are not self conscious. I feel as though they see honest. I don't get that they ate trying to massage their image. Which is I dunno, a bit ironic because they see strippers. I may watch it and tell you what I think

I am not certain what point you are making. I know two or three people who have gone on the church tours. They aren't religious. Actually the kids mother told me she wanted to go to a Harlem church. I said they have tours, she said she wanted an authentic experience. I said its their religion and you aren't going for the religious experience your going for the singing. Which is basically entertainment. I don't really have a problem with this type of marketing

You could say that Sweetback started Blaxpoitation, or it is a slave narrative. I would almost agree with you about the delusional part. Except the quote is coming from Curtis Mayfield. Who is one if the most Conscious Musicians at a time when there ead a message in the music. And musician and performers weren't just singing it they were standing up. Maybe I am romanticizing Curtis and the power of the music. The kids issue no argument whatsoever. I think definition wise judging and critiquing are differences of degree not kind. Actually Troy you and I may have seen different films. I recall him being in jail. And dealing with crooked cops paying lawyers to get out of the game. There are two other points, who seels more Eric Jerome Dickey or Cornel West. Which categories of books sell a lot and which don't sell. I have never run a bookstore bit I think we all know the answer to that question. Sex sells even in books. I think the show is actually fascinating from several points of view. I guess I see them as Human. The clip I saw the white chick has a drinking problem. It's a reverse situation where the white chick is in the minority. And if memory is correct, the strippers are majority dark skin. No you could argue this the other way around. I have only seen the preview, bit what I noticed is that out of six minutes there was maybe 30 seconds of stripping. Does that ratio hold true for the series. Here's. A news flash tv has always been mostly crap, lowest common denominator. I used to love the Twilight Zone. I would consider this quality tv. Rod Serling said something very interesting. He said that there was always pressure from the sponsors not to tell really gripping stories because this got in the way of the bunny selling toilet paper. I reckon you can't name five shows that were quality tv on Commercial tv. One more restriction the show has to last more than one season. You can even pick which 5 years. Sarurday morning cartoons pretty much a writeoff. Let's see there was Good Times, Archie Bunker, Sanford and Son, The Love Boat. Probably you'll have to pick variety shows or Music shows: Ed Sullivan, Soul Train, Hee Haw. Positively Black yep was on in the dead zone of Sunday Afternoon. Playhouse 90 not certain if it was a series. You can't count the Richard Pryor show it was even a full series it was like 6 episodes.

"This is seen, for example,in the continuing reevaluation of the role of alchemy in the scientific thought of Robert Boyle and Isaac Newton, which has demonstrated conclusively that, much more than an early or casual interest, alchemy was at the heart of the thought and the method of each of these pioneers of modern" - Stanton J Linden. The Alchemy Reader From Hermes Trismegistus to Isaac Newton

No one wants to see positive programs. We want sex, violence, beauty and the good guys to win. Otherwise you would have them

I can't moralize about stripping. Partly because I am uncomfortable judging others. I have spoken to two strippers in a strip club. Neither conversation was initiated by me. I used to live with a stripper. I think of is human drama played out in a strip club. I remember when Superfly the movie came out there was a similar debate. It's exploitation your glorifying hustling. As you know Curtis Mayfield did the soundtrack. Which is a brilliant piece of music but it also has a message and tells a story. He said it is a story about redemption. I would watch it. The trailer I saw was about six minutes long and had 30 seconds of stripping. I remember this performance artist Penny Arcade (we are friends). Saying that prostitution and stripping is they only way outside of marriage to raise some real capital. I don't think that statement is totally true. Yet it is basically TRUE. I women's worth is a function of her attractiveness.

I don't see Africans or Caribbean Black folk having the same problems. I think the big difference is those folks have a a culture and a homeland. I think the NOI gives a cultural identity and they through in a language. I do know what it means foe them to run the city. Actually it is meaningless. If they are talking economics that is not political although increasingly it is. Politicians of various religious backgrounds have run the city sven the country without this being a problem. Although you could make the argument that this broke down under George the II. I see that more as a lobby issue. I think the leadership of the NOI is very savvy. I would say give them a chance. I think in a way their program is a similar to Socrates Academy.

Pioneer I have done parties with a few psychics. You use different technigues, the newbie says i have never done this before. Each of you us basically saying the same thing. The say how is that possible I say I don't know, but it works. You can create a magnetic force from magnets or electricity. The elements are difference but the force is the same. I am using a Magickal definition of elements.

Troy you have given me an idea. Perhaps we say something is impossible because it doesn't happen all the time, or its opposite does happen all the time. Or we say some thing is improbable because it happens to a few people seldomly. or it happens to one person three times. The reason this is meaningful to me is that I am only dealing with one person. So I ant to capitalize on what is an aggregate impossibility and create some highly unlikely outcomes. I

Pioneer knowing what something is used for may not tell you it's purpose. I mean what is the purpose of a truck. That depends on who you ask. Like electricity or people, I can tell how they are utilized but their purpose I haven't a clue. What is the purpose of Astrology? I hope you're wrong because I use it at least 100 times a year. High Magic is about improving the person, low is about improving the situation.

If you're a scientist the rational position is agnostic. Since you don't know

Troy I am not certain but I am not really following your line of reason. You said that science and philosophy are mutually exlusive. I mentioned logic is a part of both. Despite my mentioning this more than once you have not responded. I don't know why you're saying I'm technically correct about tails. Oddly I thought about it but I don't think I posted about. I'll go back and check because it means one of us is hallucinating. If you have forgotten more than you knew why would you use statistics to make a point. It is interesting people will use science to support the point without understanding the science. The following is a quote from you. To date I've never been made aware of any experiments to prove anything that Astrology asserts (experiments whose results have been reviewed and reproduced by others). I have to say I think that is uncharacteristically intellectual lazy position. I had mentioned I had two books on Astrological Reseach. You could have google it or Wikipedia. Or you could have asked. I actually checked before I suggested you do so. Fir the following reasons I like knowing stuff, I am pedantic, I like to be right, and I enjoy the exchange of ideas and I have too much time on my hands

Troy Wiki Nasim Taleb. His books are interesting. He's made a multi-million dollar fortune on Wall Street. Because even professionals do not understand risk(statistics)

Troy if I were to be really stringent I would use 120 or 60 people.

Troy if you are flipping a coin 1000 times you would only need two people two determine if there is a significant difference. What you are talking about here is am F test or F Distribution. In fact you could have ad fee as 100 coin tosses. So you would be wrong I could do this experiment with two people flipping a coin 100 times.

Troy You said philosophy and science are mutually exclusive. i mentioned logic, which is both an element in science and philosophy. You have conveniently forgotten to answer that question. O had to look through two of my statistics books and two of Adtrological Research books, both of which use stastical analysis. What you have in your example is a binomial distribution. If you got those results. You would assume it wasn't a fair coin. While that wouldn't tell you anything about the population it would tell you something about that particular coin. I could tell you why your statement isn't valid but the fundamental errors show a lack if understanding about statistics and statistical analysis. Normally we disagree and I'll debate the point, but not in this instance.

Pioneer I find it interesting that people say the esoteric is not scientific. Whereas quite a few of the giants in science and philosophy held esoteric beliefs.

Troy I think astrology shows character strengths and weaknesses. I would say there are different traits goe different types of gambling. Logic is an element of philosophy and mathematics. Can you elaborate on your third point.

Some natal charts aren't conducive for gambling. Or so I have been told. Personally i wouldn't know but i could check for you.

That is a project I shelved.

Despite my quote I do think astrology is a science and a philosophy and it changes how you think.