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ProfD It still doesn't read like an honorable profession with high earning potential and benefits and a retirement plan. Neither does working at Wal-Mart or Target....lol. Reads like some sh8t women were obligated to do in obedience to their cultural/religious beliefs. I would not be surprised if the patriarchy was behind it. Actually these were in more Egalitarian societies where women pretty had just as much power as men. The temples were dedicated to goddesses as well as gods. They viewed sex and sexuality differently than people do in the West.

richardmurray Sure every community has it's SHARE of dysfunction, but as I said before some are more dysfunctional than others. And when we're comparing communities, the more specific we are the more accurate we will be. When we compare "Blacks" with "Latinos" with "Jews".....it is vary discombobulated and imbalanced leading to a lot of inaccuracies and misconceptions. Let me give you a few examples of what I'm talking about..... When you compare AfroAmericans in the Nation of Islam with the average White American. AfroAmericans in the NOI tend to be healthier, law abiding, and financially progressive. When you say Latino.... Unlike most of the rest of the nation, in New York (atleast it used to be) most of the Latinos are of African decent. So they tend to have the same problems of lack of unity and low self esteem that AfroAmericans have. Even more to a certain extent because they didn't have the Black Pride and Black Power movements in Latin America that we had here, so many of them are still ashamed of their Blackness. In New York, Jews have their own hospitals, ambulances, and private police...do AfroAmericans or Latinos? Some communities are far more functional than others. Troy What part of the South were your parents from?

Steinsman In the realm of spirituality, the concept of evolution can be viewed as a way for humanity to better understand and interpret divine teachings. Why would they NEED to be interpreted if they are supposedly "divine" and coming from a Higher source than humanity? Think about it....... The Divine Realm is waaaaay Smarter and unimaginably Wiser than humanity. Certainly any message coming from It would be designed to meet it's targeted audience with maximum effect without a need for a human interpreter or translator. ....that is.....if it's REALLY from The Divine. But if it comes from the imagination of other human beings who merely CLAIM divinity.....I can see the need for it to be constantly twisted and re-interpreted over and over again because many of the plans and ideas of human beings are limited and poorly thought out. As our understanding of the world and society changes, religious interpretations may evolve to address new challenges and perspectives. Which is CLEAR evidence for me...that it probably wasn't of Divine origins in the first place. Math....in my opinion...is of Divine origin. 2+2=4 Always has....always will. Needs no interpretation or special translation or "evolution" to fit the times. For those interested in exploring this topic further or seeking spiritual insights, https://whenyouneedgod.com/ offers valuable resources and discussions on various aspects of faith and spirituality. Thanks for the link. However outside of sitting around discussing different opinions and ideas...how is what's going on OVER THERE any different than what we're doing RIGHT HERE?

Most people tend to be more focused on seeking emotion/entertainment than intellect.

ProfD Capitalism is built on free markets. It thrives with limited government. There's supposed poised to be balance moreso competition between them. I support a limited government however I support and EFFECTIVE government that steps in when it's needed and supports it's citizens. What we have in the U.S. and in the West in general isn't truly "free" markets. The racists IN the government help the racists IN the private sector. Too much government makes people lazy and stifles innovation and industry. The pandemic allowed folks to sleep in and have less motivation to worka job. Stores didn't have enough folks to work warehouses or stock shelves. Capitalism isn't perfect but it's better than the alternatives (Socialism and Communism). I agree. I personally would prefer a decent mix of Capitalism and Socialism leaning more heavily on the Capitalism. However we definitely need balance. The Pandemic did make a lot of people lazy, but BEFORE the Pandemic the opposite occurred where Big Business were having it TOO easy. They had an OVER surplus of workers to choose from for cheap labor, wages were low, not too many benefits. Now they're slowly RETURNING to that with the ending of Pandemic relief. Suppressing inflation would flood the market with cheaper and inferior goods. Imagine dollar stores everywhere. You don't have to. Just go to the average hood in the U.S.....lol. Landscape is dominated by Dollar Generals, Family Dollars, Popeye Chickens, liquor stores, and weed shops...lol. Not even DOLLAR TREES that really do offer half-way decent but cheap goods for a dollar.....but these Family Dollars and Dollar Generals where the prices are often higher than Wal-mart.

ProfD The thing about most White folks in America that I've noticed is that many of them feel they have some sort of DUTY to take charge or be in charge. Especially the men. It doesn't fail. Most jobs you go on, White folks just want to take charge and take it upon themselves to tell people what to do and how to do it and control the situation. How many times have the average White citizen just butted in the situation to assist another White police officer who is trying to apprehend or subdue a suspect of color? Just driving down the street on his way to or from work and see a cop trying to arrest somebody and will jump out the fucking truck with a monster drink in their hand and try to help the cop wrestle the suspect down. Even the cop has to tell the fool to get back in the truck...lol.

I'm not sure if I DON'T want this nation to go back to the early 1900s myself....lol. Things weren't the best for our people in the South itself...but in other regions of the nation AfroAmericans were pretty united and on code to build our own businesses and communities back then. Not only did we have Marcus Garvey, but we even had the Green Book....lol.

Both of our Parents were from the South. They spoke fondly of it on occasion, but I didn't hear them sit around wishing they could go back. richardmurray The one thing that troubles me is how black people actually think non blacks help their own , in nyc, they do not. And that explains why all the populaces seem , as media states, unconcerned. blacks + non blacks don't engage with the government cause all, ALL, the elected officials, from all the races do nothing. Black people's only flaw is many of us seem to think that non blacks are performing miracles for their communities, when they are not. Well if that's the ONLY thing that troubles you.....you're a fortunate man, lol. It really depends on the community. Some communities are more unified and aggressive in supporting their own than others. Puerto Ricans and many Native American communities are MORE divided against eachother than AfroAmericans. But when it comes to most East Asian, Arab, and Jewish communities...they tend to be more unified and on code with eachother.

I'm not sure of Georgia state law, but it was my understanding that you can only make citizens arrests if you witness certain types of felonies.

frankster The Diversity is significance because within the diversity ever human trait or characteristic exist. Really? So which African tribe produces bone straight hair like the Chinese or Japanese? What part of Africa are people who look like Eskimos, native to? The History of Africa is that it is the BirthPlace of Mankind... .....according to modern White archeologists and those who study under them. Where you get this from? From actually reading and doing MY OWN research and following the logical conclusions based on MY findings. Not going by what Whites in academia with their own biased agendas choose to put out. Troy Sure it is: In the northern climates, where there is less opportunity to be in the sun, lighter skinned people with straighter hair are able to absorb more vitamin D So how do you explain why so many dark skinned Eskimos and other Native American peoples who have lived in northern climates as far as the North Pole have thrived for THOUSANDS of years with without White skin? They aren't White....unless they're mixed from being colonized. Infact, many of them are as brown as you are with slanted eyes. Also, how do you explain the fact that in East Asia as far north as upper Russia....you have tan and brown skinned Koreans who've been living there for THOUSANDS of years even before the White Russians arrived? The genes that govern skin color has next to NOTHING to do with climate or exposure to the sun. Yes....the sun can give you a tan if you stay out in it long enough. But it doesn't determine your natural skin color.

This is a fucking game. We pretty much know that unless society collapses....Trump will be the Republican nominee for President in 2024. Will he win it? Who knows....but he most probably will be the nominee. Even if Colorado keeps him off the ballot....which they probably won't because some rogue judge will just put him back ON in a few months or the SCOTUS will strike down the decision and put him back on....there are over 40 more states that WILL keep him on. It's just a game....like his so-called "trials".....a game. Who do YOU know who has over 60 FEDERAL FELONIES hanging over their head yet can go around giving speeches and tossing baseballs for the opening pitch at games? It's a big ass game they're playing ON the American people....and they really should be ashamed.

What I'm about to say may SOUND like a contradiction...but it certainly is not if you examine it with experience and insight. I'm a big supporter or labor union and the right to organize. I'm also a big supporter or private businesses and profiteering. In a Capitalistic society such as this, labor wages and working conditions in general rise when GOVERNMENT offers a viable alternative as competition. This is what Franklin D. Roosevelt did back in the 30s and 40s with his various worker programs. The wages offered were so high that if the private sector wanted to have a work-force, they HAD to raise their wages in order to lure people back to their jobs. Infact, we saw a recent example of this on a more minor scale with the Pandemic relief a couple years ago. With the government helping people to pay rent and giving them such large unemployment checks, companies HAD to offer higher wages, sign-on bonuses, and other deal sweeteners just to get people off the dole and back to work....lol. So yes, you can allow people the freedom to work for any wage they AGREE to work for. Infact, they SHOULD have the freedom to do this because you never know who all may be in a pinch and need to take anything they can get. But if the government does IT'S job by offering alternatives, then the wages will still increase. Also the government can help by suppressing INFLATION so that your dollar will stretch further, then there would be no need for constant wage increases.

Did you know in a lot of ancient cultures, they actually had "temple prostitutes" as part of their religious ceremonies? The temple offered specially designated women to have sex with men to raise money for that temple and certain community affairs. This was before the Muslims, Christians, and Israelites came into the lands and converted the people over to those religions.

Do yall think shit like this is FOR REAL real....as in unrehearsed? Part of me thinks it's all phony and staged. And part of me thinks most of it is real but heavily edited. Because you usually don't see people come right out and disrespect others so blatantly, I would think the person they're pranking would suspect it IS some sort of joke or "set up" and not react too violently. However crazy and unstable people DO exist and people who do around trying to "punk" and chump people for views are playing a very dangerous game.

I personally prefer Black women (African, American, East Indian -if I can get one...lol) however I've found attractive women in ALL races. I don't think Black men should limit themselves to ONLY Black women or even women of color but SHOULD selectively have sex with women of ALL races including White women for social and political purposes. However I DO NOT support Black women having sex with White men. I support her RIGHT to do so if she wishes...but I don't support the act or choice. ....yes, I DO have a double standard when it comes to that.

I don't know of any kid who wants their parents to be a prostitute or bank robber....but drug dealer??? I know a few who BRAGGED about all the ki's their father was moving around the city, lol. In the 'hood, having a gangster daddy is cool. If sex didn't have such a bad stigma attached to it in Western society, I think SOME children wouldn't have a second thought about casually mentioning that their mother is a Prostitute by profession. Especially if she was making good money and the children looked nice and presentable.

If I had NEVER been to the USA....no I wouldn't.

frankster The Main reason now Given is because when you trace back all Human Genes they all converge in Africa and Africa still have the most diverse Genetic pool...which is collaborated with both Archeology and paleontology and several other schools of thought. Having a diverse genetic pool is not evidence of being the oldest. The United States of America has one of the most DIVERSE gene pools yet is one of the world's YOUNGEST nations. Why? Because it's a nation of immigrants. The history of Africa is a history of one ethnic group after another from both Asia and Europe entering the continent to conquer, settle, trade, ect.... There is more of a history of various peoples GOING INTO Africa than COMING OUT of her. White skin is not seen as an (Evolutionary) Adaptation but seen more as a Mutation(Natural Selection) in that it does not increase "Fitness" - Survivability. The White skin of an albino is a result of genetic mutation. However the White skin of most Caucasians is a result of genetic SELECTION. One is accidental, the other is deliberate.

frankster Too much Discipline instilled from without is actually a form of Punishment ....Self Discipline is about Control Transmutation and Training. Well the FIRST step in doing any type of "discipline" training whether it's for diet or sex, is to understand the PURPOSE of that discipline and training in the first place. A lot of the fasting practiced by religions around the world that is ASSUMED to be for spiritual purposes, was actually founded for MEDICINAL purposes. But at some point the original purpose was lost or misunderstood and people began fasting for reasons they didn't understand nor the benefits of. They need education... When most Black people....not all but most...are taught how to properly think FOR THEMSELVES, they will automatically educate themselves. No I disagree.... People always engage around their differences.... In many cultures people with red hair(Gingerism) were feared and killed or ritually sacrifice is that racism? and if not why not? Somewhat. It was based on genetics. Red hair is a sign of recessive genetics so many of them were killed to prevent them from reproducing weak/recessive genes. In many parts of Africa albino's were discriminated against is that racism? Same reasoning. They feared that 2 albinos mating would produce more albinos. Albinos with their pale skin and weak eyes clearly are at a disadvantage in most parts of Africa with the heat and bright sun so producing a "tribe" of them would pretty much be producing failure. Obviously I don't agree with these barbaric practices, but I do share with you the reasoning behind it. This is also the truth behind much of the "ritual sacrifice" you read about in history in ancient cultures. Yes..overlap Social Status is in some societies dictated by color but in a Classist society Wealth Supersede Race. In a racist society Race supersede Wealth Are you sure you're not conflating Classism with an Aristocracy? Classism is based on "class"....sho'nuff...but class isn't always tied to wealth....do you agree? Yes...it does mean color and if we are going to split hairs let me remind you what I said. Color and physical Features/ common physical characteristics ....you leaving out the features. Below is picture of some Brahmins...the highest caste - they run the spectrum of hues and if you go to Tamil you will also find blue black Brahmins. True. Go to Latin America and you'll find jet Black nappy haired Black folks who'll tell you they're "Spanish" and practice the Catholic religion also...lol. As the recessive White race blends in and dies out, pretty soon you have a Black/Brown super majority where the ORIGINAL function and reasoning behind these castes and terms become vague and merely ceremonial. Also to your point... Although the Aryans introduced the Vedas and Varna system, there is evidence that I'm starting to believe that much of the Caste system probably DID INDEED exist among the Dravidians before the arrival of the Aryans. But it wasn't based on race or color so much as it was based on degrees of knowledge or occupation strictly. Well I did both....And I am sure you ask for muslim Evidence too. No. Jesus is mentioned in the Koran and I know Muslims believe Jesus was a Prophet. But he's generally not accepted in Buddhism or Hinduism. That doesn't mean that INDIVIDUAL Buddhists or Hindus can't choose to INCORPORATE him and certain Christians concepts. This tends to happen a lot in the West where religions are more relaxed and people are free to pick and choose which parts they'll accept and reject...lol. Some parts of the Originals have been found in Egypt and Sumer.... Have you seen them? Have you read them? I cannot be any Clearer....basically ethics and morals that greco-roman that has or shares no African influence. If you can't get any clearer than you just did.....that's a problem, LOL. Not exactly sure what you're saying or asking of me here. Often times our problems are interpersonal....of a nature none of us has experienced or observed before. So as you posted coming from one perspective.... yours - will not solve those issue. If it truly came from God...it will. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "God makes a WAY out of no way". your solutions would most likely be selfish and self serving hence no solution. Whether the solution is "selfish" or not is irrelevant. What IS of utmost importance is whether or not it actually SOLVES the problem. If you work hard all week, you deserve your pay check. What you do WITH that check is none of your employer's business. We should focus on what needs to be focused on. Exactly and how would God do that? I don't know. I don't know how God operates....nor do I need to. I know that God is effective. If the information is not accepted....it cannot help anyone. If it came from God and was intended for a specific person it WILL be accepted and it WILL help them. No doubt about it. According to the Ancients...we all get the message - but our prejudice perspective and perceptions blinds us. Trust me. Any message that God wants you to know directly WON'T be blinded or prejudiced. It will come through MORE clear than a crystal. The message is delivered....but Man is greedy selfish and prone to making mistakes - confuses and or misunderstands. Nope....no confusion or misunderstanding. .....if it actually came from God. But if it came from some man CLAIMING he speaks for God...now you might have some confusion entering the picture, lol. We are social creatures so my problem usually involves others...if they not aboard they solution my not be so effective. Different people have different problems. What's a problem for YOU may not be a problem for them. Perhaps the REAL solution would be for you to leave the community you're in and find those who ARE onboard with what you believe and are trying to do. I'm not going to go to a lesbian bar only to complain about why the women aren't digging me...lol. That's not an answer. Some questions don't warrant an answer....only a response.😉 True So the question remain how would you know it's from God? God can and often does makes it perfectly clear to the individual in a way no other Being could- that it is from God and could be from no One else except God. But you accept scientific facts from any language once interpreted... Yes, because I know man is limited in his ability to communicate. So I understand WHY those facts have to be translated. God has NO LIMITS communicating so there is no need to "translate" a Message from God that was meant directly to me because it would be tailored specifically for me to understand clearly without the aid of another human. That's one of the beauties of a direct message from God. One of the many many MANY beautifies. Troy "Varna" a word that I was unfamiliar with speaks to class not skin color. The word "varna" literally means COLOR. Research the fall of the Indus Valley Civilization. Glad to see someone else is keeping up with the conversation BTW....😉

frankster I believe the Migration is in the Opposite Direction....Out of Africa. Most people believe this.....because it's the CURRENT theory that Western/Caucasian archeologists and historians have proposed. It lines up with their "Theory of Evolution". It tickles the ears of most Black people when they hear White scientists say that all humans came from Africa. But they don't understand the diabolical and insulting REASONING behind them making that claim. Whites claim....and others now believe because of it....that humanity EVOLVED in Africa, left the continent, and spread out around the globe. Which implies that those who remained behind....Africans themselves...are LESS EVOLVED than those who over time left and spread out continuing to evolve.

Another question is, will Black people IN POSITIONS OF POWER learn to USE their power to help eachother? I'm no lawyer and I'm not exactly sure what went down that night but I saw video of him actually running AWAY from his girlfriend that he was accused of assaulting. Yet they still got him on 2 counts. There are plenty of Black judges in New York at the local and state level who could OVERTURN his conviction and challenge the case. Not ONCE has the word "racism" even come up or been mentioned in the media regarding this case. Sexism and domestic violence has...but not the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Why not? Because so many Black folks have been BEAT DOWN and SHAMED into not wanting to even discuss racism let alone fight it. Latinos look out for eachother. Asians look out for eachother. Arabs look out for eachother. It's almost a GIVEN that they do this for members of their own community. White men aren't "gods". The formula they use is simple. SEEK power and USE power. When we start learning to do the same, we'll be in a MUCH better position as a demographic.

Nobody.....Black, White, or otherwise.....thinks like most New Yorkers do, lol. From throwing piles of trash on to the sidewalk to FOLDING up pizza slices before stuffing it their mouths....New Yorkers of all races are in a league of their own, lol.

Troy Wait, what? I skimmed over the previous statements, and it was not clear what opinion you have changed. What was it. Then STOP SKIMMING and getting only a half-ass understanding...lol. My INITIAL position was that for the most part prostitutes were more independent and successful than housewives. I'm not going to lie.... The arguments presented by ProfD and frankster did have a SLIGHT influence over my change of position, but MOST of it came after days of careful consideration....especially when I put both marriage and prostitution in a GLOBAL and HISTORIC context. I was also more focused on MONETARY success than the success that comes with raising children and providing them with a stable home. I don't think you are being honest here. Answer this question: Would you rather your mother have been a prostitute or a housewife? What would I gain by lying? And to answer your question: Ofourse it should be HER (or any woman's) choice as to what career choice they make, but I personally would rather my own Mother be a housewive because it means I MOST LIKELY (though not 100% guaranteed) would be raised in a relatively stable home and environment.

ProfD The Ethiopian's views weren't a result of resent colonization that happened a few hundred years ago. They've felt that way for a LONG time about other Africans. There is SOME validity to his claims that his people migrated there from the Middle East a long time ago. Where he's wrong is in believing he has "no" Black/African blood in him or his people. Regardless of the strain of Middle Eastern ethnicity his disant ancestors may have been, CLEARLY him and most Ethiopians are mixed with African/Black to various degrees. Not only do most Ethiopians feel this way but so do most Somalis and Eritreans. They are pretty much a mix of 2 or 3 major races/ethnicities: 1. African/Black 2. Arabian (Arab, Hebrew, Assyrian, Persian, ect...) 3. Caucasian (Greek, Roman, and Caucasian Arabian) The Arabian part is VERY touchy because Arabians (not Arabs but Arabians) themselves are highly mixed. frankster The Emperors of Ethiopia in the early 1800's referred to themselves as Aryans/Caucasians as of these teachings due to a language distortions that the Europeans made seemingly advantageous...Noble/Nobility means Aryan. The Stories about Hindu Kush does lend some credence to why the Emperors adopted the term as at One time Ethiopia Ruled from Africa to the Indian Continent...The original Aryans are believed to have come from Afghanistan Iran And India....all Dark Skinned Peoples (Before the Ottoman/Turks) The fact that Aryans invaded India and slaughtered and oppressed the Black Dravidians hasn't been discredited. It has just been IGNORED by racist White and near White archeologists both in the West and in India who don't want to accept the truth about their racist origins. There is a STRONG connection between the Ethiopians, Somalis, Yemenis, and other Black and "Blackish" people of that region because many of them are descendants of the original dark skinned Dravidians who migrated from the Indus Valley region across Arabia and down into Africa.

frankster Truth mixed with lies is Propaganda... Yes....among other things. I tend to call it "Tricknology"..lol. No..they use it as a tool to achieve power. Which...although I don't agree with it...IS more respectable, IMO. Atleast they KNOW it's a bunch of lies and use it for their benefit. But how can I respect those masses who know or atleast suspect it's a bunch of horse shit and still base their lives around it and "want" it to be true? They aren't using it to ACHIEVE power, they are using it to remain powerLESS and give their power to others. It still is an increase in suffering....regardless of who is suffering Perhaps. According to the Bible, Jesus asked what kind of "good parent" would give their child a ROCK if they asked for break or a SERPENT if they asked for fish? Most people naturally look out for their OWN before others. We can try sharing. Ask the Africans and Native Americans who tried "sharing" with White folks what the results were. Some people love to learn the HARD way.