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Troy If you truly feel that they lack credibility and are untrustworthy why refer to them at all? It's a good illustration of how his behavior is so egregious that even one of his biggest cheerleaders had to turn against him on this one. Daniel He was targeting me. “Trump Supporters Blindly Believe Fox” trope. Actually, I was talking to Troy when I brought up Fox News' reporting.

Dee Wasn't trying to preach to you. I'm not sure how it came across.....LOL. @Pioneer1 'But I see less DARK SKINNED Black children in America than I did when I was a kid...' This is so true and unfortunate. It comes from self hatred. When people hate themselves they have a sub-conscious desire to END their lineage and cut off their genetics from being reproduced. So they will even STOP having children or they will seek to have children with those who DO NOT look like them in order to dilute their own genes. I'm sure you've heard as I have growing up children and teenagers talk about they want a "pretty baby" with light skin and light eyes and "good hair". And many will set out to achieve this by having sex with ANYONE they think will produce such a baby....whether they actually love the person they're sleeping with or not. They are doing it...not out of love....but for genetic suicidal purposes and self hatred of thier own kind. Integration has allowed the self-hatred that already existed among many of our people for centuries but they weren't able to freely express it...to FREELY EXPRESS itself in the 70s and 80s when they started sleeping with and having babies with as many non-Africans as they possibly could to "whiten up" their children and eliminate their own African genes. Look at the NBA and how many of the players are mixed compared to 30 years ago. Troy Dude you posted the photos of our soul Brother Homer and Jean. The were Black you said they were white. Seems like race is based upon what you say it is. I posted the photos of 2 men with pale skins, thin straight hair, thin noses, and thin lips. I didn't have to CALL them "white". All you would have to do is look at the pictures of those 2 men and if no one TOLD you they were "Black" you wouldn't have assumed it. Your reasoning is no different than theirs The White Supremacists are among the most powerful and smartest human beings on this planet. They tend to think in logical and efficient manners instead of constantly being tricked and lied and manipulated and taken advantage of. They RUN the world, and if you can find me another group of human beings smarter and more powerful PLEASE introduce me to them. So to say that my reasoning is the same as theirs COULD actually be taken as a COMPLIMENT...lol. Problem is, as smart and powerful as they are the White Supremacists are EVIL have a lot of bad Karma and have a very terrible fate awaiting them.

Daniel I called him up. You still don’t know me. But that’s ok. That’s why I am reintroducing myself. He can obviously speak for himself, but I think Troy's question ISN'T so much how you were able to get into contact with Professor Smalls recently, but how you came to know him in the first place. I know he was pretty active in the New York/New Jersey area in the late 60s and 70s so perhaps your activist father probably knew him also.

It depends on the PURPOSE of teaching them. I don't think you should be teaching children under 12 how to handle guns. They may be able to handle the MECHANICS of guns and shooting, but aren't old enough to understand the consequences of death and injury to themselves and others. Again, you live in a Caucasian based culture where the values are PRO-violence and ANTI-sex. The same so-called "Conservative" Caucasians will jump up and down and scream over girls in hot-pants doing suggestive dances but clap and cheer if those same girls strapped up pistols to their waists, went to a rifle range, and started a shooting gallery.

Daniel I admit that my experiences with people are LIMITED. I haven't met everyone or seen everything. I'm just speaking on the people I'VE met and the things I'VE witnessed my decades of living on this planet. I'm not from "the streets" but I have had long relationships with people who are the streets whether it's with working with them, them being in my family, living in Detroit, and even being involved with women from ghetto backgrounds. I'm telling you that in decades and decades of living on this planet I PERSONALLY don't know anyone who told me that THEY shot or stabbed (not "cut"....lol) someone or was shot or stabbed BY someone that they are STILL in a relationship with! Maybe they just were too embarrassed or ashamed to tell me, I'm not sure. But I go by what I've OBSERVED.....not by RUMORS or what I've seen on TELEVISION or in the movies. My purpose for saying this isn't to say that it doesn't happen AT ALL....because I know there are cases of it. My point is that it doesn't happen very much. Infact I'd say it's quite RARE, even in abusive relationships.

Oh, I'm VERY interested in it. I actually ENGAGE in quite a bit of it. Infact...... It was my CRITICAL THINKING of and LOGICAL examination over your post that made me wonder what the hell it had to do with the conversation...lol. Imagine three men in suits and ties standing around sipping champagne discussing the impact Covid 19 has on the economy....and all of a sudden out of the blue a fourth one stumbles up to them half drunk with his finger raised in the air rambling on about Aristotle and logical thinking. "Hey! Logic resides in philophilophee And magic is in house of mathematics Ahh haaaahh.....critical"

Lol @ the reaction of the Sistaz in the audience!!!! They're like, "Oh HELLLLLLL NAWWW!" Those girls dancing look to be clearly under 18 and it's not something I would endorse. The question I have is why is it that so much of society outraged at a bunch of teenaged girls doing sexually suggestive dances but aren't JUST AS IF NOT MORE outraged at videos of children even younger than them going to the gun range and learning how to shoot pistols and assault rifles! Is learning how to be sexually provocative worse than learning how to take another human's life? Mary Olohan (author of the tweet) must be another right-wing Conservative hypocrite. I say that because being the racists they are they love using AfroAmerican based music or behavior as examples when making their arguments of cultural degeneracy. She also uses the term "our culture". To understand exactly what CULTURE she and other Conseravatives are talking about you must understand the basic psyche of the Caucasian mind. When Caucasian Conservatives talk about "our culture" and how "our culture" is declining, they aren't talking about morality or even religion. They mean just what they say...THEIR culture! THEIR cultural values include racism, violence, and anti-sexuality. If anyone is interested I'd be glad to go into deeper details as to why this is, or I can just leave it here.

Daniel this type of scenario happens often. I knew a girl who kept stabbing her sugadaddy who was married and they kept getting back together. That's interesting....... I admit that I'm not the most experienced man on the planet but I don't recall KNOWING anyone involved in THIS TYPE of abusive relationship. I've known quite a few people involved in ABUSIVE relationships where the lover is violent and physically assaults them from time to time....yes. But actually SHOOT or STAB them and they turn around and get back together....no. Now I've heard STORIES of it; but don't know anyone personally who has admitted to me that this is what they are in. You might be able to hide getting slapped or punched but being shot or stabbed is pretty serious and you ain't covering that up and going to work the next day or playing it off. And the police almost always get involved because the injury is so serious. Anybody can CLAIM this or that happened (especially in Hollywood) but based on my observations..... Even when it comes to the most physically abusive relationships, shooting or stabbing someone ENDS that relationship (no apologizing and returning to eachother) because either: 1. The victim dies of their injuries 2. The offender gets arrested and locked up 3. The offender disappears as a fugitive 4. The offender is killed through retribution So after such a serious incident they can't even get back together even if they WANTED to. Which makes me question the validity of this entire story. If Tory shot a U.S. citizen the dude would STILL be locked up and Megan wouldn't be running around singing and doing videos. I'll keep it 100%..... Just like the Gangsta-rappers, I think these two are being PAID to promote violence and relationship dysfunction in the AfroAmerican community. Make it look "cool".

Daniel It bruises your reputation and credibility. Lol.....since when was my repuation and credibility with YOU, sound in the first place? Troy My mentioning Fox News' acknowledgement of Trump's words was NOT for their credibility as a trustworthy new source. It's because they are well known to be Trump's biggest cheerleader in the mainstream media and for even THEM to acknowlege and do reports on his disrespectful statements says a lot! You question whether or not these multiple reports of Trump's utter contempt for U.S. soldier are actually legitimate or just more anti-Trump "media bias"......as if he doesn't have a well known PATTERN of making outrageous statements and disrespect of those he feels are "less than" him.

Trust me Del..... Ain't NOBODY staying up late into the night trying to make sense of the things you post.....lol.

FAS 1. in which of the canonical Torah, i.e., the first 5 books of the Old Testament, does it describe Ham? Ham is mentioned in the early chapters of Genesis but it doesn't give a phenotypical description of him.....to my knowledge atleast. It only calls him "the youngest". Neither does the Talmud. I know the NOI came up with Pioneer 1's description, but nowhere in the Torah does it describe Ham as such. ????? The Nation of Islam doesn't mention Ham in it's teachings. And as far as my description of him, my official position is that Ham never existed in the first place. He was just a character in an allegory. The whole Ham, Shem and Japheth 'different race' fabrication is so asinine as to be solipsistic. I agree. But I'll go a few steps further and state again that I don't believe that any of those characters existed in the first place and that they are all ALLEGORICAL. Noah and his sons are SYMBOLIC of the Caucasians leaving the Caucasus mountains (Mt. Ararat) and scattering in different directions to conquer and settle.

I saw this video days ago and I've tried to watch the entire thing several times but after just 5 or 6 minutes into it.....I have the strong urge to LEAVE. Her hyper-femininity (a trade mark of East Coast Latina women from the ghetto....lol) makes her behavior entertainingly "cute", but the girl is embarrassingly silly. Did you know there was a BEEF between her and Candace Owens over this interview? Candace called her politically stupid and said she was being used by Biden and the Democrats because of her political stupidity. That was mean....lol.

Daniel The Truth is Trump has done his best to support and honor the troops alive and dead. Seems to me that if he had done his BEST to support them....there wouldn't be any "dead" troops to honor. He ran on a platform of GETTING US OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan, but instead he not only KEPT troops in Iraq and Afghanistan but INCREASED them to Syria and Somalia! Instead of STOPPING wars....he EXPANDED them! It's typical "double-speak" like that dictator of the novel 1984. Where everything he says is the OPPOSITE of what it really means. Freedom = Oppression Peace = War Rich = Poor to making calls the families of the fallen, to streamlining the VA and approving increased military spending, and even visiting the battlefield in person. Again, if he had done his BEST to help them there wouldn't BE any "fallen" troops and there wouldn't be any battlefield for him to visit. You help them by bringing them back home, not shaking the ONE HAND they still have after the other one was blown off during battle. Visiting a wounded soldier in a war YOU sent him to is like a judge who sentences you to 3 life terms in prison with no possibility for parole, but comes to visit you once a year and holds your hand while you're crying........... "Gee, thanks for the visit Judge but..... Are you sure this is ALL you can do to help?" "I'm the Warden of this prison. I heard that you were raped recently. Be careful while you're in here and watch yourself!" Kind words, hand-shakes, and folding flags don't mean shit when someone is suffering. If you really want to HELP them, use your power and authority to get them OUT of the terrible situation they're in.

O.W. The fact is obvious that Black culture is the nucleus for creativity in America; it's appropriated, borrowed, stolen and bartered. I totally agree with this statement and is the reason I "trophied" your post. We ARE indeed the reason for America's success and the number one reason why the United States tends to be the social and entertainment capital of the planet! But as long as our gift to humanity comes in a gift-wrapped in a Caucasian bow and ribbons like Mtv, Viacom, or the Grammy and Oscar awards....humanity will not know the true source of these talents and inspirations or OUR true value and contributions. It's like having a number one television show with all White characters with all Black writers and producers. The Black people are the REASON behind the show's success, but all the world will see is a bunch of excelling White folks! This is why we need OUR OWN institutions. Our own studios, award shows, acting schools, ect.....all owned and controlled by us. So that WE can get the credit for it and have control over it. TBH, I would like to see more 40+ year old, Black females on-screen who look like, talk like, act like and understand the complexities of being a Black woman. When you're too old for Insecure and How To Get Away With Murder exacerbates your PTSD, there isn't much left to enjoy on streaming services. S/N: Shout out to Nia Long for her performance in The Fatal Affair. Well, I hope you're not offended by what I'm about to say but...... As an "around 50"....lol....year old man, not only do I agree with you but I would also like to see more 40+ year old Black women NUDE and in realistic SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS with older Black men on the screen! Not only would it improve the self-esteem of many of our sisters as they get older but it would also help BOTH sexes relate to eachother better when they see themselves as they TRULY LOOK on television and in the movies engaging in real life situations such as having sex, arguing, or dealing with racism. So, yes, PLEASE enact mandates for inclusivity... I am here for it, 100%. It SOUNDS like a good gesture but there are a number of problems that can arise from this............ 1. When it comes to public or government institutions like the police force, public schools, the military, ect....we must DEMAND thorough AfroAmerican inclusivity. But if the institution your trying to force inclusivity on is a PRIVATE institution, it would be like forcing someone to host guest on THEIR property that they don't want. How would you like for someone to look at your website, decide there aren't enough Asians or Arabs represented on it...and then threaten to SHUT IT DOWN until you included more Arab and Asian representation? 2. Demanding the Caucasians include you in their private functions indirectly sends them the message that you think so highly of them that you are to the point of BEGGING for their acceptance. What value is THEIR opinion and acceptance when it comes to OUR talent and entertainment? To be honest, when it comes to us.....I don't want THEM judging what is "good art" or "good music" or "good writing" or "good directing" anyway because just like food that tastes good to THEM (like having fish with vinegar or ketchup on potato chips...lol) is usually nasty to US -they aren't good at judging the value of anything else that we like or do. Just how fair and accurate do you think a group Caucasians from middle-class America would be in judging half of the books featured on AALBC? These people thought Rap music was just a bunch of "noise" until they saw how much money they could make from it.....lol Also, I have a table that I share with friends, family and the like, to elevate their voices... We eatin' good too! Stop by and order a plate on the house at owshowe.com Thank you for the invitation my Sister!

Tory Lanez Reportedly Sent Apology Text To Megan Thee Stallion After Shooting The Canadian-rapper says he "genuinely just got too drunk." After shooting Megan Thee Stallion in her feet, Tory Lanez is officially breaking his silence about the July 12 incident. The Canadian-rapper, reportedly said he “genuinely just got too drunk” as the night unfolded in Los Angeles. TMZ reports that Lanez sent the “WAP” rapper a text message shortly after the violent night. On Aug. 20, Megan went on Instagram Live to confirm that rapper Tory Lanez (born Daystar Peterson) shot her and cleared up any other rumors regarding the incident along the way. Lanez was arrested on July 13 and charged with carrying a concealed firearm in a vehicle. After posting his $35,000 bail later that day, he is scheduled to appear in court in October. https://www.bet.com/celebrities/news/2020/09/09/-tory-lanez-apology-text-megan-thee-stallion-shooting-incident.html _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Now let me explain to you what's happening........... This is CLEAR theatrics! That man didn't shoot that woman because the police didn't charge him with it when they arrested him. If this man....who is a Black Canadian...had actually crossed the border with a weapon and shot a U.S. citizen, his Black ass would have been locked up UNDER the jail and would STILL be in jail instead of out on bail the next day. They arrested him for what he probably DID do....which is have a gun illegally...not for what he SAID or others SAID he did. It's not a crime to SAY you shot someone.....rappers do it all the time. And the police are under no obligation to say you didn't or clarify things, they can go right along with it as long by staying silent as to whether you actually did or didn't. It's HOLLYWOOD. This is a publicity stunt no doubt. But it's much bigger than Tory OR Megan because much higher up people are involved which is why they were able to get the police to play along with it. The question you must ask yourself is WHY they decided to orchestrate this particular stunt? A Black woman is shot by her Black boyfriend...he doesn't get charge with attempted murder...and they get back together again. Why would they promote such a scenario?

That's like saying if the planet were really round we would have known about it 2000 years ago instead of today. Or if the Earth really revolved around the Sun we would have known it 1000 years ago instead of today. Truth is truth regardless as to when it was revealed. The TIMING of it's revelation is questionable, but the TRUTH of it is not. If a next door neighbor reveals to you that a man has been molesting his children for years, what would you do.................... Call the authorities and help the children? or Sit around with your legs crossed sipping on Cognac interrogating the neighbor as to why she's JUST NOW telling you about this? "The timing in interesting... to say the least."

O.W. I must admit, this is a move that the industry should have examined long before 2020; regardless, my optimism regarding the inclusion of Black writers, producers, directors, etc. is palpable. Why should we be happy that Caucasians are "thinking about" us? Is it that we think those who control the Oscars are so superior and better, that their approval and recognition of our talent is paramount? Let's get something established..... Contrary to popular belief, the Oscars isn't for "everybody". It was established by and for Caucasians to celebrate Caucasian talent. ...and other's are begging for and fighting for inclusion into it THINKING they have a right to when they actually don't. If they NEVER included a Black writer or actor or director it wouldn't be wrong....because they don't have a duty or obligation to do so. The ONLY time Caucasians decided include more AfroAmericans into a particular event or institution is out of FEAR! Not fear of protest or criticism. They LOVE it when Negroes beg them for inclusion! But fear that WE will stop begging! And instead of begging them and fighting to be included.....decide to FORM OUR OWN institutions (in this case award events) show the world that what WE do will be much more impressive and the Oscars and Grammys ever was....and they KNOW it. So rather than see that happen, they'll pretend to be more inclusive in order to keep our people "on the plantation" so to speak. Our people should stop begging Caucasians for more seats at THEIR table and instead build our own table and enjoy a nice hefty plate of SOUL FOOD amongst ourselves. ....and watch THEM come sniffing around and start asking for a plate!

Daniel Bogus information. Lol, you call it "bogus" but I believe you actually know it's true. Plenty of credible news outlets and sources have reported this as a fact so there is no REAL argument about it. You're denying it NOT because you don't really believe it but because you either don't care about those troops OR your support of Trump vastly outweighs your care for and support of those troops. Troy We can talk about media bias all day long but when FOX NEWS is reporting on Trump saying this.....lol...come on. What some people are calling anti-Trump bias is actually a FRUSTRATED media attempting to do it's duty by calling out the criminal and treasonous behavior of a man in office that Congress and the Supreme Court refuse to remove. Imagine an abusive household where a mother is starving and beating the hell ouf of her children and when they tell the police or social workers they all act like there is nothing they can do about it or that their "hands are tied". Pretty soon all the children can do is jump up and down and cry and scream and point out the abuse and HOPE those with enough power to do something about it....eventually will.

Troy I think we look at unity differently. I would like to see us unified on a global level -- yeah I know we'll never see this, but I think it is a worthy goal. It would allow us to deal more effectively with things that effect all of us like climate change. LOL.....how could uniting with those who helped CAUSE the climate change in the first place, help bring an end to it? Caucasians are the ones primarily RESPONSIBLE for the pollution of the planet that contributes to the climate changes. Before their coming to a land you didn't hear about the ground or water being poisoned or polluted. It comes as a result of their technology. Unity within the Black community would be a natural consequence of unity across all of humanity. I don't think it would because you can't "unite" with Caucasians on any meaningful level. Collectively speaking (because there are some individual Caucasians who are good people) they don't desire to unite with you but RULE over and DOMINATE you. For them, "unity" means they are the Masters and you are the Subject/Slave. Daniel / Troy That’s why I am working with Akoobooks and Dr. Jeffries and Dr. Small have been working in Ghana. If you look at the Black Immigrant community they have been importing and exporting for decades. We can tap in and develop those cultural/economic ties. Right now man second and third generation are voluntary severing their ties. Now Troy, I THIS is the type of unity I'm all in for. I think there should be more unity between AfroAmericans and Continental Africans. When African immigrants started coming here decades ago we should have had well built thriving communities to welcome them to. But because we didn't, most of them were...and still are....forced to live with and work for Caucasians and not even get to know us. I also think their should be more sexual activity and dating between AfroAmericans and Continental Africans because it helps improve social ties which SOLIDIFIED economic and political ties between both groups. Back when the Africans would run away from slave plantations and live among the Native Americans.....African and Natives would marry eachother as a form of solidifying contracts and showing comradery. If you allow a man to have sex with your daughter or sister that is one of the ultimate displays of trust and friendship.

Delano Logic resides in both philosophy and mathematics. It is useful for thinking. And often is absent. The same is true of critical thinking. Lol..... Man, what are you talking about? How is what you JUST said related to the subject of the thread or any of the previous posts in it? Troy In all seriousness,I hope you continue to wear and mask and encourage your riders to wear a mask as well. Are you wiping down the car after each passenger? Since you said "in all seriousness" I'm going to presume this wasn't a rhetorical question for him and just point out to you..... He said some months ago that he ONLY wears a mask because it's required of him to do so. Which tells me if he wasn't forced to do it...he wouldn't even do THAT. Lol......that should answer your question. Dan That’s because you are afraid of COVID-19. I am looking at the progress that has occurred. Uber/Lyft have protocols. You can’t even start your app without taking a picture of yourself wearing a mask. Stores require that you wear a mask for entry. So masks are real a nonissue except for those looking for something to gripe about. Daniel............. never mind.

Dee Word on the street is that, with all of the cross-pollination of races, by 2060 there will no longer be a race. Then what will we fight about? Lol @ "we" fighting. I don't see too many AfroAmericans are actually "fighting". I see a lot of them forgiving, begging for acceptance, or living in denial and pretending that everyone gets along. Infact, if you look at a lot of these protests you see more Caucasians out in the streets raising hell than the Black people they are supposedly fighting for. But watch out for those future predictions Sis..... I've been hearing things like that since I was a kid. Not sure how old you are but I'm "around" 50....lol...and way back in the 1970s and 80s they were talking about due to race mixing White folks would be "extinct" by the year 2000, then they bumped it up to 2025. Then every 10 years or so they claim there will be no more "blonde" people left by the year "so-n-so". Guess what? White folks are STILL around and running things, and there are still plenty of blonde haired green eyed people running around! But I see less DARK SKINNED Black children in America than I did when I was a kid unless they are the children of immigrants from Africa. They've run out of Caucasians in Europe to import to America to keep their numbers up so they've been bringing more and more non-Black immigrants into this society too to try and "drown out" the Black numbers and dilute it. Troy again what you never seem to understand is that race is a purely social construct. What you don't understand is that race is merely a CATEGORY and every category is a "social construct". However that construct is based ON phenotype which is NOT a mere construct but a physical reality. BTW, I thought you NEVER said "never"....lol. The one drop rule fell out of favor and people began to define race in the terms that you understand it today. Because as it turns out many so called white people, too many, were just like Homer. The reality of race didn't change, the only thing that changed was how they DEFINED it. Their definitions were more erroneous back then so they had to change it. In 2020 there is no race. Tell that to the KKK, the Boogaloo Boys, Nazis and the other racist Caucasian organizations who have a history of killing people based on race. Tell that to the racist cops who seem to stop and harm people based on race. Maybe if you told THEM that there "is no race" they'd correct their behavior, lol.

Daniel I don’t care what you believe. I know my vote counted. Man, you sound like Big Money Grip from Sanford And Son talking about you don't care....lol. "I don't care what NONE of you say! I KNOW Lamont is my son!" I also know you are either uninformed or are attempting to be deliberately misleading. The military spending speaks louder. Also Biden has said he was going to raise my taxes and gas prices. I like the work Trump has done. Oh, you like the work he's done? Let's take a look a what we KNOW he's done for the military so far: 1. He knew that Russia was paying Afghans to kill U.S. troops and covered it up pretending he didn't know anything about it. 2. When Iran shot missiles to U.S. military bases in Iraq and seriously injured U.S. troops....he didn't retaliate but instead dismissed them as having mild headaches. 3. He called U.S. troops who signed up and served "fools" for doing so and those who got killed "suckers" for doing so. These are all PROVEN FACTS confirmed by multiple media and credible sources. One can only IMAGINE what would have happened to Obama if he had done any one of the 3 above. Even fellow Democrats would have turned away from him and disavowed him. Since you like the work he's done so far, you'll be MADLY in love with him by the time Putin becomes the new Emperor, all the children are learning Russian, and Russian troops are standing guard on every street corner...lol.

Daniel Your vote doesn't count. I told you the Bilderberg Group decides who will be the next president, not the voters. They wanted Jeb Bush to get in, but he wasn't cold blooded enough so they tossed him to the side and went with Agent Orange. Why do you support a man who calls Americans who sign up to join the military "suckers" and those who get killed "losers" ?

She still hasn't explained how they met nor has anyone asked her WHEN she knew she liked women. I wouldn't be surprised if BOTH of them were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to get married and ACT like they are in love with each other. Why? To encourage more and more younger AfroAmerican girls to grow up and do the same thing.

If reading is fundamental, math is ESSENTIAL. Caucasians rule and master over you through DECEPTION. Why do they say "less than 1%"? Why don't they put on an actual figure like .9% or .74% ? Instead of putting out the actual NUMBER of people who are still catching and suffering from Covid-19 out, they put out vague percentage RANGES that sound better in order to trick people into letting their guard down. "Less than 1%" sound a lot better than "100,000" They are losing too much money and now they're playing with the numbers and practicing deception in order to manipulate people into going back to work and school because they THINK everything is safe and alright. They know mass deaths will be the consequences but when enough people have died, they'll REVISE the figures upward or change how they report it to scare the public back into being cautious again until the cases drop to a more "acceptable" level. They PLAN on playing this game over and over again until herd immunity is reached or everyone is vaccinated.