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Troy I'm aware of Niecey Nash's marriage to a girl. I would have thought her spouse was a guy judging by the photo. She looks like Lakeith Stanfield. Lol..... That's part of the point I was making in my previous post. She married all men in the past, and now she marries a woman who LOOKS like a man. So does she REALLY like women? Or does she like women who ACT like men? Or does she really like men but is only PRETENDING to like women for a particular reason? This is what Neely Fuller Jr. means about sexual CONFUSION and how they are pushing it on our community. As you alluded to...... Niecy is no teenager. The fact that she's JUST NOW doing this at 50 years old and broadcasting it all over the planet is for ATTENTION like most celebrities. Someone is encouraging her to ACT like she likes women and continue to promote this narrative in the AfroAmerican community to influence OTHER women to do the same thing. You have one group pushing AfroAmerican women to leave AfroAmerican men and marry Caucasian men....... "Why yall mad????" And you have another group pushing AfroAmerican women to leave AfroAmerican men and marry EACHOTHER. "Come get some'a dis W.A.P. " The message is being sent loud and clear to Black women: Choose whoever you like.....as long as it's not a Black man!

Daniel So somebody starts tweeting under the account of a recently deceased high profile Black Republican and tells people that the very disease he died of really isn't so bad after all......and you call that "irrelevant"? Oh...ok. But you still haven't answered my question...... How did you KNOW you had the Coronavirus? Did you actually go to a physician or clinic and a get positive test result for it? Many people claimed they had it simply based on symptoms alone and didn't bother even getting a test.

I'm also curious to hear what our resident "Conservative" has to say about this homosexual marriage.....LOL. For years I've watched "Black Conservatives" on television, on radio, and on the internet rant and rave about the collapse of the Black family and how we've lost our family values. They've blamed almost all of the ills of the Black community on the breakdown of the traditional family and not having enough FATHERS in the home. Well, this marriage is certainly isn't your "traditional" Black family. Now will we see the Black Conservatives keep it 100% and hold true to their conservative values and voice their disagreements to Ms Nash's Mrs Betts' marriage and condemn it as NOT EVEN A MARRIAGE at all? Or will they do what most of us EXPECT for them to do....which is keep their mouths shut about this, move on, and focus on the lack of Black fathers in the home since criticizing Black men in this society is "safer" for them. Troy If I hadn't accepted her marriage as a fact, I wouldn't be starting a thread about it. But I would answer your question WITH a question.........why does SHE and those pushing this story in the media care what other's think? She's the one who felt it necessary to tweet out to everyone that she just got married to a woman and post photos of it all over the place. I found nearly a dozen articles about it on today alone on the Bing search engine, so obviously SOMEONE is trying to give this event as much attention as they can. And as a man..... don't you find it atleast somewhat interesting that after nearly 50 years of living and years of being married to men....ALL OF A SUDDEN she's got a taste for women? What if you found out next week that your ex had found a new love and was planning to get married....TO A WOMAN? Besides being happy for her, how would YOU feel?

Interesting............. I find it very interesting because her previous two marriages were to MEN: Husband #1: Don Nash (and Niecy) Husband #2: Jay Tucker (and Niecy) This raises a lot of questions for me. First of all, Niecy is 50 years old. How long did she KNOW she found females attractive instead of (or along with) men? *Was Niecy BORN homosexual as many claim a person has to be? Because if she was, this isn't 1960 it's 2020 and being lesbian has been socially acceptable (not liked by everyone obviously, but still acceptable and tolerated) in this society for over 30 years! So why would a person in this day and age who KNEW they were homosexual SUPPRESS those desires and tendencies until their late 40s? *Or did she TURN homosexual at some point in her life? And if this is the case, wouldn't this support the belief that some people can TURN or BE MADE homosexual? Also, I find it interesting that if you look at their wedding photo, Niecy is dressed in a stereotypical white wedding dress while her new "wife" Jessica Betts is shown wearing a SUIT typically worn by men, with her hair cut down low and lined up in a style typically worn by men. Niecy also took Bett's LAST NAME which is something a woman typically does when marrying a man. This makes me wonder does Niecy actually like WOMEN or does she like women who ACT like men?

Daniel What about the article I just posted???? Are you just going to IGNORE it and pretend it doesn't exists while continuing with the same narrative? "la la....la la....la la... it's not that bad....it's not that bad la la...la la.....la la...." I'm telling you and showing you that SOMEBODY is going around in the late Herman Cain's name SAYING that Covid isn't as bad as people claim it is!!!! You don't find that a bit strange or odd? My question would be who's interests would that serve.....certainly not the public's. Btw....how did you KNOW you actually had Covid? Did you actually get tested for it? I don't want to know the details, just whether or not you actually got tested.

Delano Trump has filed for business bankruptcy four times: the Trump Taj Mahal in 1991, Trump Plaza Hotel in 1992, Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts in 2004 and Trump Entertainment Resorts in 2009. Each time, the bankruptcy was a Chapter 11 filing. While Chapter 7 and Chapter 13 bankruptcy deal with personal bankruptcies, Delano......... "Broke" means having no or almost (meaning "damn near" ) no money. That's what BROKE means. I'm not sure why you posted all of that excessive information up there but: -We're not talking about debt -We're not talking about bankruptcy. -We're not talking about the price of loose-leaf tea in China. We're talking about how many times Trump went "broke"....because YOU asked the question. Do you honestly believe that that man has EVER experienced a point in his life when he had NO money or.....less than $1,000 to his name?

Troy At least that was the story I heard here in Florida, It depends WHO in Florida you're hearing it from, lol. If you're hearing it form a Caucasian man OFCOURSE he's not going to tell you the truth about it's history. That's one of the points I was making with Tazarah and Chevdove. He'll point you in every direction EXCEPT the one that makes HIM look like the bad guy...lol. You could ask a Caucasian man about JIM CROW, and if he thinks you don't know any better he's liable to tell you it was an ole Southern "myth"...lol. "What was Jim Crow???? Oh....well that was a cartoon that was created after the Civil War to keep children entertained. Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta take this call." You should know by now not to trust what THEY tell you. If you want the truth, ask an OLD Black man or woman....they won't bite their tongue, lol. The image of it being used on a human is unconscionable. The problem is.... The overseers who used it to punish their slaves DIDN'T THINK they were using it on "humans".

Looks like Herman Cain is reaching back from the grave with more news about him! Just today we read: Sounds familiar? I wonder what other Black Republican loves to run around claiming Covid 19 ain't as bad as people claim it is. What's not clear is are these OLD tweets from Herman that is just now being posted OR is someone using his twitter account to post this crap in his name as some sort of sick joke.

Man, Oswald Bates was my BOY.....LOL. I thought that was the funniest character ON In Living Color. White and whip may not be related but there IS a relationship between "cracker" being a racial slur for Caucasians and the whip. White over-seers used to be called "crackers" because of the whip they'd "crack" over the backs of slaves. So the name stuck. Anyway.................... If you can't see a connection between NEGRO and NECRO ever after I gave you a lesson in etymology and clearly laid it out for you, there's no hope.... I hope you never get into Detective work where you have to make connections and piece together clues....LOL. Man, you're worse than those police officers who drove past Killer Kyle Rittenhouser giving him the thumbs up in Kenosha after he had just shot 3 people and everyone was pointing at them TELLING them he killed people and had the weapon in his hand!!!!! "Put your hands down and get outta the way! Somebody just got shot down the street, we gotta find out who did it!!!"

Troy You know, of ALL the controversial things I may say... I often wonder what goes through your mind on the occasions you decide to question me on a PARTICULAR statement.....lol. I'm no linguist, but I know enough about Spanish to know Negro and Necro do not the share the same meaning in Spanish or English. We can agree that "Negro" means Black in Espanol Also, it is a fact that "Necro" means dead or death in Greek Necromancy = contact with the dead Necrophilia= sexual relations with the dead In medicine you have a term called "necrosis", which means the tissue turns BLACK and dies. Also, Caucasians tend to turn BLACK when they die if the body isn't buried quickly or treated with embalming. In Latin the "C" and "G" sounds are often interchangable, so when the Caucasian languages evolved from Greek to Latin the term for death and black went from "necro" to "negro".

Brother Robinson needs to consult with Brother Tariq Nasheed before doing any more seminars trying to "educated" Caucasians on a system THEY invented....lol. *** White People Don't Need An Education On Racism *** He explains.....just like I said....that a lot of Caucasians play off of the strong desire of many educated AfroAmericans to get "attention" from them. Many of these negroes THINK they're smart and want the approval and pat on the back from Caucasians so they attemp to show off their smarts by lecturing Caucasians on history and racism....without using COMMON SENSE and acknowledging that most of the very people he's standing up in front of attempting to lecture and educate actually INVENTED it and practice it every day! How the hell are you going to stand up and lecture a Caucasian woman who WORKS as a banker and has been red-lining AfroAmerican clients for 15 years, about "systemic racism"? She should be lecturing YOU. "See, a lot of people don't understand ghettoes and how they're created! It starts with redlining and keeping certain people from getting loans for housing!" "Wowwww! Are you serious? I for sure DID...NOT...KNOW....that! Well, how long has this been going on????"

None Don't believe that crap about he's not worth anything or he's deep in debt. Those are GAMES that White Supremacist play with the media and with the public to hide their assets and wealth to avoid lawsuits and fines. Besides, if he ever did go broke....those type of people usually commit suicide. For over 30 years Republicans have been claiming that the United States is "broke"....lol. It's like the U.S. National debt.....it's not real, just an abstract figure USED to justify when they don't want to spend money on something. We need Universal Healthcare - "Well the Nation is $20 trillion in debt, can't afford it!" We need to go to war in Iraq - "It'll cost a couple trillion but I think we can manage."

Perhaps that is "feel good" wishful thinking.......however, I don't think he will die broke. I think he's going to keep his money and it will be passed down from one generation to the next as it was passed down to him. Too often, people will look at the behavior of evil people.....run to a corner with their arms folded and lips poked out, and say: "Yeah, alright..... ONE DAY...he gonna git what's coming to him! He gonna pay for all that shit he doing! Payback is coming! You just watch and see!" But do they ever "get what's coming to them"? ....besides more money and more power. If we study history..... Of all of the rich and powerful men who have shit on and stepped over others...how many have actually PAID for their malicious behavior? How many slaver owners, slave ship owners, ect.....were actually paid back in full for their evil and wickedness? While they tortured and killed children, how many of THEM lived to be 80 and 90 years old and died in their sleep? Part of the psychological damage that has been done to many of our people by religion (Caucasian religion) is that it gave them the false hope that it's enough to sit back and WATCH evil people continue to be evil because "one day" they'll be punished for their misdeeds. So while you're standing in a corner waiting on a tornado to come and sweep wicked people away....they're busy exploiting and killing people and enjoying the wealth they gained from it.

Chev My major is Biology, Well it SHOULD have been in Comparative Religion, lol. Gigantism still exist today and is due to incest. Today, it is mostly attributed to cousin-cousin relationships in certain areas of the world where this is still a cultural practice. There are a lot of abnormalities and mutations that result from incest and people mating too closely with eachother. Albinism often results from incestuous and near-incestuous relationships. When Caucasians were in the caves and mountains many of them stayed in very close-knit groups and clans where mothers and sons, sisters and brothers, fathers and daughters routinely had sex with eachother producing retarded and physically disabled children. This became so common place that when Musa was sent up to civilize them this was one of the first practices he had to put a STOP to.....along with eating raw meat. Infact, many today STILL like to eat their meat raw. (rare-medium/rare) ...a hold over from their cave dwelling days. Incest was STILL practiced in Europe from a long time even among much of the Royalty with the kings, princesses, dukes, ect.... If you look at many of the old paintings of royal European society you'll see people with funny shaped heads, eyes too close together, 7 fingers on one hand and only 2 big thumbs on the other.....all resulting from incest. Infact, in parts of the United States today where there are no AfroAmericans or other people of color around to witness it, incest is VERY common. ....almost religious "Come 'err guurrrl. You gotta purty mouf on you!"

Chev COLOR is NOT ENOUGH! To say 'brown' or 'black' skinned is NOT enough! There is much more to humans than the color of their skin. What do you mean "not enough"? Facts are facts. It's not a matter of it being enough, it's a matter of whether or not it's accurate. If our focus is on THE TRUTH then we should accept what is accurate and can be agreed upon before moving on to questionable terms like "Semetic" and "Hamitic". UNESCO is THE UNITED NATIONS! That means it is represented by leaders all over the world! This would include leaders all over the continent of Africa, so therefore, this kind of information about the origins of the modern mankind will not change! LOL. This is science and genetics. Come on now, you KNOW the United Nations is a joke. What good has it done? It's just another PUPPET organization set up by Caucasians to trick people into thinking that the world is united. If the United Nations was a reputable organization why didn't they stop the Korean War, the Vietnamese war, or the wars in Iraq? They are just a PUPPET organization for White Supremacy. Infact, it's been said that the United Nations and it's progeny the World Health Organization is responsible for spreading HIV in Africa. Like I said before, WE need to do OUR OWN research instead of parroting information we sat up and heard Caucasians chattering about while we were in the kitchen preparing their meals. Why should we put so much faith and trust in ANY documentation from people who refer to our ancestors as "Negro" which is derived from the ancient Greek word for Dead? Negro >> Necro (Greek: Dead/Death.....necromancy, necropolis, necrophilia, ect....) Just another excuse for Black people to be lazy and not do the work themselves. They'd rather let Caucasians actually GO to the Middle East and dig around in the sand, bring back information, and they take whatever the Caucasians give them instead of going themselves to do the research themselves.

Chev Oh well, because he did NOT refute it, then he most likely said it! And his response shows that he was making 'a partial retraction' which is so wrong. He needs to make a full retraction. Lol....... Well, Dr. Wesley is a high ranking member of the Nation of Islam. They TEACH that White people are "devils" so I don't think he's going to wear himself out repudiating the idea that they aren't human. As I said, I believe they are human beings.... But perhaps if Caucasians collectively acted more HUMANE in the first place...you wouldn't have so many people questioning their humanity. Should a rapist be insulted that the woman he raped called him a "monster"? AfroAmericans have always been up front in my experience. Media doesn't always show this. But, I have been deeply hurt by Black-on-Black hatred, nevertheless, there has always been AfroAmericans that have come running to the front lines for the Black plight. Maybe we should get more of OUR OWN media out there so we can show it ourselves, because I'm sure not seeing a lot of AfroAmericans out at these protests COMPARED to Caucasians. Yeah it's a lot of us, but in comparison to the amount of Whites....it's minute. I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing as these protests begin to get more violent; but it sends the message to some Caucasians that THEY care more about racial injustice and police brutality than the very Black men being victimized. I would not judge you that way, if you tell me that you have not been in the streets protesting. Lol, well I certainly hope not....because I HAVEN'T been in the streets protesting. Nor do I plan to. I don't know what kind of "men" can see their family members get murdered and shot down on video and want to come on television crying and "forgive" the killers. Even give the killers a HUG like Botham Jean's brother did that woman in court. By the Grace of The SUPREME BEING it has never happened, but if someone shot MY son or father down in the streets and I found out who it was I'm not going to go out with a sign marching, holding hands, and protesting. Whoever did it better be locked up immediately for THEIR own protection! I'll leave it at that...... ((serious look))

Troy is seems the RNC is even rejecting Candice Owens That's ok....... "I'LL TAKE HER!" the only thing unexpected about the RNC was the omission of Owens as well as any mention of Herman Cain (two Black diehard soldiers for Republicans and the latter of whom literally died supporting Donald Trump and the party. I wrote a post a couple weeks ago telling Daniel that the Republicans don't give a DAMN about Black people or even Black Republicans. They're only using them. I told him that as soon as they end up DEAD from doing stupid shit for the Republican Party....WITHIN 2 months they'll pretend that you didn't even exist as the move on to the next project. I wish I could find it. Man, I'm good..it was EXACTLY 2 weeks ago on August 17th. In the Black/Kamala Harris thread on the first page I said: I said that and low and behold, like you quoted the man wasn't even honored in their National Convention. Those racist bastids don't give a damn about him, Candace, or any other AfroAmerican who THINK they're smart by trying to rub elbows with racists. They'd have better look trying to cozy up to alligators and other cold-blooded reptiles.

Troy He was lucky. More than 180,000 other Americans were not so lucky. Hopefully Danielle did not hurt or kill others driving them around in his car. You know....... All this time I was thinking about HIM catching it from other people but hadn't even THOUGHT about all of the people that he could have spread it to while driving them until you mentioned it! Haven't caught a cab in a long time. Man.... After this, I'm not sure WHEN I'll catch one again! Daniel I started 3 years ago. I didn’t have a car so I rented one. After my first month I was able to put down on my own car which I rented out to another driver while I still drove my rental. Are you telling me in 3 years you went from having NO car to having 4? Looks like "debt" is being good to you, lol. Robert Kiyosaki points out ((shakes head)) I knew the "Rich Dad Poor Dad" spiel would start eventually. Guess who's been spending a lot of time in the self-help section of the book store. I still think doing Uber in the middle of a contagious Pandemic is crazy as hell.

I hope our brother is resting in peace with the ancestors right now! Allegedly he died of Colon Cancer. Such a young man dying at 43, and they said he had been battling it for over 4 years at 39! Back down South....70 and 80 years ago...AfroAmericans used to call Cancer a "white man's disease". A lot of our people are getting diseases at young ages that they used to only get at extremely old ages if ever. Even today, when you look at who routinely make it to be worlds "oldest man" and "oldest woman" it's usually an AfroAmerican or African from somewhere else. Genetically speaking we are the strongest people on the planet and built to last a long time. But when our people start adapting the dietary habits and other cultural habits of the Caucasians then you start seeing many of them suffer from the same diseases as the Caucasians and in many cases at an even HIGHER rate! I said in another thread that one of the WORSE things that could happen is for Biden to become President and STABILIZE things and bring them back to "normal". Because "normal" for AfroAmericans in THIS society means thousands of our people continuing to get diseases like Cancer, Autism, Asthma, and Covid 19 not to mention more homicide, suicide, and public execution by law enforcement. Nah...... We don't need for things to go back to "normal".

Dee You're welcome Sis. When I hear the name "Dee" I think of Rog's sister from What's Happening...lol.

Dee The title of this thread was in reference to vice Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris who is of both African and East Indian descent. The argument is, she pretty much doesn't identify with her "Black" side unless it's politically convenient. For much of her career and life in general she identifies as Indian or chooses to be racially ambiguous.

Troy Too many people have to do unwise things to survive. The paradox is that these very same people fight to maintain the systems that force them to make unwise choices. Not only is that a great point, you know what a good example of this is? I know a lot of working class AfroAmerican and Latina mothers who don't have day-care and relied on SCHOOL to take care of their children while they were out working. So because of this some of them actually LIKE TRUMP AND THE LOCAL REPUBLICANS! Why? Because while the local Democrats want to make sure the infection rate declines before opening up the schools the Republicans are saying "fuck it....open back up!" "OK guys.....let's open everything back up and make some money!!!!" I'm telling them, the reason there are no free daycare centers in America and the reason you have to work 2 and 3 jobs just to make a living is BECAUSE of Conservative Republicans! I also tell them that they don't care about your health or if you or your children get sick, they just want you to come back to work for them! But many of them can't figure that out right now. All they know is they are in a bind because their jobs are calling many of them back to work and they don't have anywhere to leave their children. Can you IMAGINE what's going through the mind of poor working mom with school-age children if: 1. The Republicans were responsible for schools opening back up while the Democrats tried to keep them closed. 2. Agent Orange sends her a $1,500 stimulus check along with all of her low-income friends right before November Now who do YOU think she's gonna vote for, if she votes?

Troy 1. I know there are many Black women who know how to support brothers and do so. But I'm talking in COMPARISION with the amount of those who don't. Some may ask why dwell on those who don't instead of focusing on those who do; but my answer to that is the majority of our people didn't use or sell Crack-cocaine.....but enough of them DID to have a devastating effect on the community. 2. I neglected to mention that a lot of sisters who do offer support and KNOW how to motivate and encourage a man often do this with the WRONG Black men or the right Black men in the WRONG things. On my street alone I can name you..... -A very smart Black man who is a lawyer, divorced for over 7 years and goes home lonely ever night. -A teenaged Black boy who is a good kid and shovels people's driveways when it snows and cuts grass.....who tells me he can't get a girlfriend in school. On that same street I have...... - A Black man who doesn't work but lays around his girlfriends apartment smoking weed all day and she let's him driver her car around - Another older Black man who does the same AND cheats on his wife having women over while she's at work. -2 Black men who also smoke a lot of weed and live off their YOUNGER sister and her children and can't find housing because of felony records. Although the brothers ARE pretty good conversationalists....lol. My point is a lot of the brothers who AIN'T contributing or being productive in the community have women supporting them and taking care of them for one reason or another while the brother who do and did the "right thing" often have no women in their lives to push them or encourage them. You mentioned that your wife wasn't interested in your company and that's the point, she shouldn't have to be. Our sisters must be taught that being a good wife doesn't necessarily mean finding your man's profession interesting yourself! It's HIM and his AMBITION that you are supposed to find interesting and seek to motivate. For the past 40 years or so women have been told that they should look for a man with which they have common interests, and I think that's a mistake. Most heterosexual men DO NOT share the same interests as most heterosexual women. OPPOSITES ATTRACT. If you got a man who can sit on the couch with his legs folded and gossip with you all day like one of your girlfriends.... You got the wrong man...lol "Now baby, let me ask you a question..... What do you think of having TWO husbands instead of just me?" We tend to have separate mentalities with separate interests. We have to learn how to bring out the best in eachother.

Daniel I'm not going to argue with you over the laws of Karma and the value of giving charity. I do believe that one of the keys to accumulating and keeping wealth IS to give a lot of charity because of the laws of Karma that many wealthy people understand and practice. However I WILL say to you that if you're giving charity with the EXPECTATION to get more money in return based on the "laws of karma"....is it really charity? Perhaps it should be considered an INVESTMENT since you are doing it to get a bigger return instead of helping people. Troy Not having health insurance does not sound like a benefit to me. It's not. Like I've said for years when White Republicans are for or against something they KNOW why they are for or against it even if they don't tell you why. But when Black Republicans are for or against something....they are for or against it ONLY because they are imitating White Republicans...lol. For example, Obamacare and Universal healthcare...... Most poor White Republicans are against Obamacare and Universal healthcare EVEN THOUGH it will help them. Why? Because it will help too many AfroAmericans and Latinos too, in their opinion. That's the REAL reason they oppose it. For them racism comes FIRST. They will put their own health at risk and even die in order to promote White Supremacy. Most AfroAmericans who oppose Obamacare and Universal healthcare....on the other hand...simply do so in an imitation of White Republicans without knowing the real reasons behind it. Same thing with going back to work or working without a mask during the Pandemic......... Most poor White Supremacists don't care if they get sick or die, their main concern in promoting White supremacy. So if Agent Orange says go back to work and don't worry about a mask....they just follow orders and do it! They don't care if they get sick, spread it, or even die....their allegiance is to White Supremacy! Many Black folks...on the other hand....see this behavior and ASSUME because they see Caucasians doing it, it must be OK! So they start imitating it and often end up paying the price. Btw... Driving cabs during a health Pandemic with NO health insurance is FRIGHTENINGLY unwise.

Chev You have not commented on his referencing UNESCO. That is NOT just one reference, that is a global confirmation of what I have been saying in this Black community! Well..... That is probably because I'm not sure HOW to comment on it. I guess my biggest problem with a lot of what is being referenced to is the WORDING. Using words like Hamite, Semite, Negro, ect... These words are terms Caucasians came up with to cause division confusion among our people and they continue to do so. If you or brother Tazarah is saying that the original people of the Middle East were brown skinned and black skinned people...I would agree whole heartedly! But when you start using words like "Hamite" and "Semite" and "of Negro extraction", ect....THAT'S when the confusion and disagreement starts. Because NOW we're trying to tie in the absolute truth and facts in which there is little disagreement about.....with our RELIGIOUS philosophies and beliefs! Hamite, Semite, Adamite, ect...are terms that are derived from Middle Eastern mythology and religion and like I said before, religion was designed to DIVIDE our people and have them arguing and fighting among eachother "Listen yall....Jesus was a Negro!" "Naw man, he wasn't a Negro he was a Semite!" "It's not SEM-ite...it's SHEM-ite....that's how it's pronounced" "Both of yall wrong, he was actually a KHAM-ite because Mary was Ethiopian!" "Her name wasn't "Mary"....fool....that's just the English translation of her name" Just endless arguing and fighting...... 15 years from now UNESCO is going to come out with information that CONTRADICTS the information presented in this thread, and then what? The generation who believes in THAT will be arguing and fighting with those who believe in THIS. Truth doesn't "evolve" or change every few years. These people are putting out this crap to keep us arguing over it. You aren't going to KNOW what happened over there until you GO overthere! Not reading through a stack of papers some Caucasians or Asians or Arabs at the United Nations whipped up. We should find out the truth OURSELVES and not rely on Western or Western trained scientists, the United Nations, the Vatican, or anybody else to hand us a bunch of papers CLAIMING to be "the facts". It will ultimately lead to EVEN MORE confusion and division among our people.