Pioneer1

Minister Farrakhan's Response:

 

Cynique

I corrected myself, something you never do, and

Well your words are still there in the other thread just as I quoted them, no changes have been made to your statement that Haiti, Jamaica, and Mexico are NOT part of America.

So you're STILL wrong.

 

Troy

can you reference a single incidence when you did this?

Can you ponit to a reference when Del or Cynique admitted that they were wrong and I was right about an issue?
I was clearly correct about this issue, but once again.....the women are sticking together while the Black men are divided.

A microcosm of the macrocosm.....lol.

Mel
 

I would have agreed, @Pioneer1. If you wrote "the Americas" of even North America.

- I would have given you a pass on PR and DR ... Yep! I will sometimes let those slide because I can’t keep up with the politics - like with Guam.

BUT NOOOO..you tried to be tricky and write "America"...That was a technical foul in my book.
 

There are no tricks and fouls, I was CLEARLY correct.

The ENTIRE Western Hemisphere is America.
You may have North America and South America and our nation is the United States OF America, but it's all part of America (proper).
No need to qualify it with other words.

 

Plus you tried to "shame" me - and that really pisses me off. I don’t take kindly to social engineering

Listen.....
If you aren't ashamed of coming on here and declaring how grateful you are that some blue eyed White man swooped down and scooped you up......lol....there's nothing I can say that will shame you.

There IS NO shame in your game.

Besides, my calling you into the dispute wasn't an attempt to shame you as much as it was a TAUNT.

I figured you knew geography and were purposely remaining silent so as to show solidarity with Cynque rather than tell her she's wrong.
I had no idea you'd come right on out and BACK HER UP in her foolishness though....lol.

Troy

So even when I'm clearly correct you're STILL going to give it to them????

I'd hate to have YOU as a judge in a divorce proceeding.....

A woman could kill her husband's dog, set his clothes on fire, and demolish his car and you'd STILL rule in favor of her and give her the house and the money because he "didn't make it clear" that he didn't want her to do those things....LOL.
 

Cynique

I did not include Puerto Rico in my statement because It is a possession of the USA. The natives of these other 3 countries when asked what they are, would in all probability say Haitian , Jamaican or Mexican, not American, although technically their countries are located in the American hemisphere.

Ahhhhhh....you fucked up, lol.
Don't try to clean it up NOW.

You said specifically and I have you in quotes that those other nations are NOT part of America:

 

Quote

 

"Haiti, Jamaica and Mexico etc not ect are not part of America. And nobody said that white people invented rap or hip hop. That's just you trying to create a straw man argument."

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5840-what-is-african-american-culture/page/2/#comments

 

You were clear in your words.
What people CALL themselves is irrelevant, facts are facts.

You guys keep getting on me about not admitting when I'm wrong but when have YOU admitted that you were wrong????
You certainly aren't doing it now.

Chev

I do understand this too. But no, the GREAT WALL OF CHINA was not built between 3000 and 4000 BC. That is ridiculous. You are not considering any form of historical timing.

Lol.....
Why do you believe my assertions about the so-called historical timing being incorrect ridiculous, but YOUR assertions about them being incorrect...valid?

My points was that just like you're saying that the dates many of these modern archeologists give for biblical events aren't true, I'm echoing your sentiments but in reference to the Great Wall of China and certain other wonders of the ancient world.

I don't necessarily believe that Great Wall was built that recently.
It's much older and there are no records from the Chinese themselves claiming 200 B.C., only Western scientists.

Remember, they were saying not too long ago that the pyramids were built by Jewish slaves about 1500 years ago until more information came out and they were forced to change their story.

7 hours ago, Delano said:

I have come to realise that we all live in different worlds. And

it is impossible ae

and fruitless to try and convey the contours of my internal world to people. However there are a few people who do I make the effort to do so

If you're referring to your psychiatrists................

You should know they are devising medication to bring  your "internal world" to an end, so be careful....lol.

11 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

 

Again, match...this is exactly how I felt when you didn’t condemn elijah muhammad for sleeping and impregnated young black girls in his charge.  

 

 

He probably didn't condemn Elijah for the simple fact that he DIDN'T do it.
.....and there's no proof or credible evidence that he did.

11 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

 

@Pioneer1 between @Cynique  handling you with facts and @Del beating you with first hand experience... do you really want me to mix it up with you too? Lol!  

 

But don’t think I didn’t see you trying to use the ole “continent”  defense  to support your argument.

Wow...lol.
I'm actually a bit surprised that you consider what she said factual.
I didn't actually expect for you to side with ME against Cynique on this or anything else....lol....but as much as you've been around I thought YOU knew better and would have just said nothing; but to consider it "fact"??

Del may have been relating his first hand experience but his experiences are irrelevant to his argument because none of those he's related have proven me wrong.
His telling me about what he was doing in the 70s has no bearing on who invented/create/made/whipped up/molded together/conjured up Hiphop and the elements of it like Break Dancing, MC'ing, and the Turntable which I maintain CAME FROM AfroAmericans and so far his so-called experiences haven't proven otherwise.



 

Troy

White people not using wash cloths sounds like an urban legend to me.

It's no urban legend, it's quite true for a large group of White people.

Having worked in an extended stay residence as well as a couple fitness centers I can attest to the fact that most White people don't.
But the strange thing is most White people in the South DO while most White people from the North and West Coast as well as from Europe don't.

I'm not sure why, but this is what I've noticed.

Another thing is most White women wash their hair in the shower while most Black women don't.....lol.

BTW....I started a thread with a question in it for you:

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5855-calling-professor-johnson-what-is-america/

Hey Troy, there seems to be a bit of confusion about what constitutes what is known as the Americas.

I said that Haiti, Mexico, Puerto Rico and Jamaica are nations that are part of America.

Cynique said NO they aren't and Mel (to my surprise actually)  supported her and said this was fact.

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5840-what-is-african-american-culture/page/2/?_fromLogin=1

I know geography isn't your field but since you are an educator and I assume have a general foundation of geo/political knowledge as part of a well rounded education, so would YOU care to set the record straight?

Are Haiti, Mexico, Puerto Rico and Jamaica nations that are part of AMERICA (not U.S.A), or are they not ?

7 hours ago, Cynique said:

What a pathetic attempt to obliterate your ignorance.  You are really stupid enough to think that all you have to do is contradict something and that makes it wrong.  And you did this without even bothering to offer facts or information that would prove you right. Haiti is a country located on the island of Hispaniola, east of Cuba in the Greater Antilles archipelago of the Caribbean Sea and covers 27,560 square kilometers of land and 190 square kilometers of water, making it the 149th largest nation in the world with a total area of 27,750 square kilometers. Jamaica is a beautiful island paradise located in the western Caribbean or the West Indies.Kingston is the capital city of Jamaica. It has a population of 937,700, and is located on a latitude of 18 and longitude of -76.79. Kingston is also the political center of Jamaica, which is considered a Constitutional Monarchy, and home to its Ceremonial head of state. The country of Mexico is separated from the United States of America by a border. Your assertion that these distinct independent countries  with their individual cultures are part of the USA does not apply.  just like you can't wrap your brain around the idea that devices that operate on the same principle do not become  different  inventions just because new features are added. 

 

 Anybody with any sense can see that the turn table on  the original phonograph and a later model  popularly known as a record player are virtually same  and are what hip hop deejays used to scratch on.  And Del's reply to your remark about who invented hip hop wherein he informed you that it was created not invented is an example of your not being able to speak on this subject with any more authority than anyone else.  

 

Your personality disorder makes it impossible for you to acknowledge these things because your delusions of infallibility are the glue that holds your fragile self esteem together. 

 

   

Yep....spittin' image of each other, lol.

Why....I saw a DJ using the good ole phonograph on the right just a few days ago mixing it up at the club LOL.

I wonder did Edison "invent/create" the headphones most DJs use to go with it also?????


BTW....exactly WHEN did I say those nations were part of the "USA"?????
I don't recall saying that.
I said they were part of AMERICA, not the USA.






 

Mel

Where are you???????

You've been sitting mighty quiet over there......lol.

Why don't YOU go ahead and back up your girl Cynique????

You agree with her that those nations I mentioned are NOT part of America don't you?

Right?????

Go on ahead and show your girl some support.....lol.

8 hours ago, Cynique said:

This is history according to pioneer.   The turn table as it appears in this phonograph is no different in appearance and principle than those used to scratch out accompaniment on  hip hop and rap music using the arm of the phonograph which contained a needle that was  scratched  on a vinyl record to produce the scratching sound.  Do you have a picture of the device you are making reference to?  And the form of communication that is known as an iphone is based on the same principle as a telephone. They both transmit voices via towers  and poles and wires. the iphone is just more advanced.    

 

 

 

 

 

 Haiti, Jamaica and Mexico etc not ect  are not part of America.  And nobody said that white people invented rap or hip hop. That's just you trying to  create a straw man argument.

Are you serious?????


Lol.....even these little kids are laughing at your foolishness!!!!!
 

I see Del isn't the only one who needs to be educated.
You need a geography lesson.

And I suppose according to your logic just because  things are "based on the same principles" that means they're the same.....lol.

Del
 

Cool Herc used to work in   the record shop two blocks from my home. I heard Melle Mel Lisa Lee. DJ Breakout In Valley Park in the late 70's. There were a bunch of parks that were throwing down. I was at one of them. 

Where were you? 

Standing at the foot of your bed trying to wake your unconscious ass up....lol.
Obvioulsy you were sleep and not aware of what was going on back then if you want to give the credit to some Puerto Ricans instead of the Anglo speaking Herc, Grand Master Flash, and Afrika.

Listen, before you start giving us your memoir growing up in the BX......why don't you start with TELLING THE TRUTH about who really invented Hiphop since that's the current debate.

4 hours ago, Delano said:

Did you have a date on this date @Troy

Feedback @Pioneer1

I'm not sure about the "getting myself in gear" part......but I'm focused and waiting on late May as well as multiple points beyond.



 

Troy

I searched for it and didn't find it
Knowing Cynique, she PROBABLY found it and deleted it.....lol.

At any rate I do remember her making a statement similar to that regarding the Depression and it was to you.
You said something about the "greatest generation" during the course of the conversation.
I was hoping you'd recall it but it's not a big deal.







Cynique

because you can't handle the truth about how inflated your opinion of yourself is.

After "handling" you.....I can handle anything, lol.

7 hours ago, Delano said:

Instead of making snit up you could use the internet. 

 

Here's a newsflash I was there and I also look things up. Since my experience is only a part. But I am not suggesting that you think critically or conceptually. 

 

 

Man, how in the world can you sit up there and lecture someone about making shit up when YOU made up lies on both Martin L. King and Malik Shabazz and accused both of them of SLEEPING WITH MEN without providing any proof whatsoever and never even recanted the statement????
 

Pull up a chair and let me educated you on a few things:

1. The Turntable that AfroAmerican youth invented in the 70s IS NOT the same thing as the record player Edison ALLEGEDLY (because we don't have too many witnesses confirming it) invented.
For all we know a Black man/woman probably invented that too....lol.

The Turntable is an INSTRUMENT that started off as a normal record player but was transformed into something new and different for DJing purposes and other aspects of Hiphop.

Saying the Turntable is an invention of Edison is like saying the iphone the invention of Alexander Graham Bell......a statement of utter ignorance
 

2. Hiphop was INVENTED/FOUNDED/STARTED in the 70s by Anglophone AfroAmerican men named Kool Herc and Afrika Bamabata.

Many Latinos as well as Whites and other groups PARTICIPATED in it during it's early foundations but that's not the same as INVENTING it.
Black people participated in slavery, it doesn't mean the invented it.

And in all actuality Rapping itself before it was officially called that was started by the Last Poets back in the 60s.

And for your FURTHER education, technically speaking even if the Latinos you mentioned were indeed the co-founders of Hiphop that STILL means that it was founded by AFROAMERICANS because most Latinos in New York (Puerto Ricans and Dominicans) are of African descent and guess what???
Both Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic are part of AMERICA just like Jamaica, Haiti, Mexico, ect....

Either way you slice it, Hiphop was invented/ founded by AFRO-AMERICANS like I said....lol.

8 hours ago, Cynique said:

 

 

WHEN and WHERE did i make this assertion about farmers that you are referring to?  I never said any such thing!   i simply said that had i done so, it would've been "anecdotal".  This is all your sorry, transparent attempt to absolve yourself from what  you desperately make up because you cannot bring yourself to ever acknowledge your ignorance. Cases in point:  Del had to inform you that the turntable,  which was a component of the phonograph, was  invented by Edison back in the 1870s, and Mel had to educate you on what constitutes a true matriarchy, yet you  continue to plod along, deluding yourself into thinking you are "in the know" about everything.  Puleeze.    

I'm not focused on that other garbage............

Aside from hearing the same thing from over a half dozen people who were old enough to remember and experience the so-called Great Depression; I actually remember you and Troy having a discussion about the different generations and the subject of the Great Depression came up and YOU said that those who lived out in the country or rural areas did better than those in the cities.

I'm not sure if Troy is still following this thread but if he remembers this statement coming from you also he's welcomed to chime in and confirm it or correct me if I'm wrong.


 

I'm not sure what the big deal is.....

So-called "prince" Harry is White and so is the so-called "princess" Meghan (I don't care how Black her mother is) .

Two White folks having a White baby, what's new?

Cynique

and your hero is nothing more than a black Nazi full of hate for the "other". Farrakhan is exactly where he belongs, in a category with the 2 white conspiracy bigots

A "Black Nazi"?????

Not only is this an oxymoron FROM a moron...........
But I've never heard of Minister Farrakhan killing or even advocating the killing of anyone like the Nazis.
I've never heard of Minister Farrakhan building or sending anyone to gas chambers or ovens like the Nazis.
Infact, Minister Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam don't even carry guns and prohibit them from their meetings!

But Minster Farrakhan is a powerful intelligent man with a large following and I can understand how that it could make someone like YOU upset since you only find those qualities admirable in WHITE MEN.

Now go back to enjoying your fantasy as a sex slave for the poweful and hairy White men you so appreciate on the Game of Thrones.....lol.

Del

I did a little mixing, scratching and rapping in the basement.

Yeah, you might want to keep your early sexual experiences to yourself....................
 

Also saw some of the founding fathers and mothers of Hiphop. The record player pre-dates me by about a century.

Do you believe the turntable was created in the 1970's instead of the 1870's.

In my original statement I said Break Dancing was invented back then but that I  BELIEVED that the Turntable was.
Although I'm not a musician I thought the Turntable that DJs currently use was a different type of instrument than just a normal record player.

What about Break Dancing?
Lol, do you want to give a White man credit for inventing THIS 100 years before also????



Mel

a mother responsible for the financial well-being of her children is not a matriarchy. Nor does that qualify as a social/political/financial system. It's simply called survival.

When it becomes the dominant form of family structure in a given community (which it has in the AfroAmerican community) then it INDEED qualifies as being systemic.
The AfroAmerican community today is officially a MATRIARCHY in which the average or typical family is governed by the mother.



For matriarchy to exist it would have to be a social system. At present one does not; nor has ever existed.

It does indeed exist in the AfroAmerican community and it was FORMED by and being MAINTAINED by Caucasians from outside of that community by:
-Systemically incarcerating, economically depriving, and in many cases killing adult Black males so that they are no longer part of the average Black family beyond early adulthood.
-Systemically sustaining Black women and their children through various government assistance and charitable programs that allow Black women and children to survive without the Black males they would ordinarily need for their protection and provisionary needs under normal more natural conditions.

This is why you don't see matriarchies in Africa or any other place where Blacks predominate outside of the United States.
Because the artificial conditions being used to form and maintain this matriarchy aren't being introduced in those communities to the extent that they are in the United States.

 

As for Alpha "men" I don't even know what that means. 
 

A human male who is dominant in attitude and behavior and not only attempts to accumulate wealth and women but also fights to protect that wealth and those women.
Also most alpha men tend to compete strongly with other men for dominance

The media is calling Minister Farrakhan part of the "far right" although he promotes Supremacy of the Black man which is the opposite of White Supremacy.....lol.

Perhaps it's his stance on homosexuality and criticizm of Jews that got him that lable.

Just now, Delano said:

Because I don't make snit up and then believe it to be the truth. 

Well if something is happening in YOUR community in front of you and you STILL don't trust whether or not it's real and need "references" and "sources" to verify what you're looking at......it sounds like you don't trust your own senses.

Do you have a history of hallucination and delusion where what you thought was real turned out to be false?
 

On ‎5‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 12:55 PM, Cynique said:

It would still be anecdotal, Dummy.

  

I didn't ask you whether or not it was anecdotal.

Since you called MY assertion that those who lived in rural areas and knew agriculture were better off in the so-called "Great Depression" than those living in cities -WRONG.....

I'm asking you that if I  brought it to your attention that YOU ALSO made this very same assertion, would you also consider your very own words "wrong"????

Now you KNOW what I'm asking you, so don't try to play dumb (-er  than you already are)....lol.

Chev

Now look at this......

You just got through jumping up and down over scholars deliberately changing the dates of the alleged events of the Bible; but when I tell you that the Great Wall of China was built between 3000 and 4000 B.C. to keep wild Caucasians out of their land you use dates from those same scholars to call me wrong and claim the wall was only built a couple hundred years B.C.....LOL!!!!

I got news for you honey....
Not only was the Great Wall of China built to keep the savages out, but there were many other walls like the Great Wall of Derbent built to keep them confined too!

The Old Testament is pretty much a play book for the Caucasians who came down out of the mountains (mythologized in Noah and the "Flood") on how to conquer and the rule over the Black civilizations they came into contact with.

Genocide and slavery was their M.O.

2 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

OK @Pioneer1 where was Babylon located?

You posted this while I was editing my post.

When you said the middle east was Africa I anticipated what would be your counter argument...lol

Re-read my edited post and it MAY answer your question!

Mel

have you ever heard of the Tuareg tribe of North Africa? Well, Today, some African American women model that culture when it comes to marriage and family structure. I suspect they may not even know it.
The Tuareg tribe is indigenous to the region and some cultural anthropologist believe they were the original Moors.

Yes, I've heard of the Taureg but they aren't TRULY indigenous to North Africa.
They...like other so-called "Berber" tribes are actually a mixed group who are the descendants of the Caucasians and the original Black Africans who were the true original Moors.
Many centuries before the Arabs invaded North Africa Caucasians from the Mediterranian area invaded the northern coast of Africa founding cities like Carthage and they mixed in with the original Black African tribes who were there and many cultures blended.

You see a lot of dark skinned and Black Tuareg today, but they come from a mixed ancestry originally based on racist domination of the Black women by the Caucasian men.....like most Arabs.  And like the Arabs again, the fact that many of these "berber" tribes wear turbans and veils to cover up their face and protect their skin from the sun may be part of their current culture and style but it actually evidence that they are descended from a people not meant for that environment.

As far as their family structure....

I'm not sure that the family structure AfroAmerican women are practicing is the same as the Taureg.

As you said, there is a difference between MATRIARCHAL and MATRILINIAL.
Matrinlineal simply means the ancestry is traced through the woman and her family instead of the man's and as you pointed out many peoples around the world practice this, including the Jews.  It just makes more sense to do this anyway since you can actually see the woman giving birth to the child as solid proof of where it came from.
It's Mama's baby....but Papa's...maybe.

But what's being practiced in most AfroAmerican household is Matriarchy.
The woman or mother is actually in charge and running the show....mainly because there is no alpha male in the household. This isn't the case with the Taureg who just focus their bloodlines through the woman but the men are still head of the households.
 

Troy

Judaism itself is derived from much older systems and beliefs based in Africa.

I used to believe this, but based on my studies I no longer think this is the case

While the original Torah that Moses brought was heavily based on ancient Kemetic science and laws, the religion of Judaism as we know it today is based largely on Babylonian mythology.
There is a strong connection between Judaism and Zoroastrianism....both of which came out of the Babylonian/Persian empires.

Now you may believe that ancient Babylon and Persia which are called Iraq and Iran today are still North East Africa.....but those who FOUNDED these empires considered themselves Aryans.
 

Cynique

What else do you call your constant harping about homosexuality being foisted upon black people by the media.

It's called being AWARE of a problem and CALLING ATTENTION to it.
Noticing patterns is a critical part of understanding what's going on in your environment so that you can spot potential dangers and alert others of them.
 

Del

How did you come to this conclusion?

Okay may be a Bantu word. Although I have no reference or source.

Why would you need a reference or source for something that was actually happening in YOUR vicinity and environment?

Break Dancing, the Turn Table, and other aspects of Hiphop as well as Hiphop itself was born in The Bronx back in the 70s.
If you're over 50 and from The Bronx you should have been WITNESS to atleast some of this.



Chev @Chevdove

Thank you.

You're welcome sis!
 

6 minutes ago, Cynique said:

 just a case of you bitching about something that irritates you.  

Now that's a lie!

NOT only haven't I complained but I haven't so much as even mentioned YOUR name....lol.