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It all depends on your personal complexion. If your White or very light skinned, you can get away with a PINK lipstick or a soft red because that's the color of a healthy vagina of someone of that complexion. But if you're BROWN skinned like most African women are, I think lipstick that is BROWN but only ONE OR TWO shades darker than your actual complexion would be best. Not black and definitely not bright red or orange or these other fruity colors I see some sisters wearing. They aren't aware of the subliminal effect it's having on the minds of the men who see this. In most cases, AfroAmerican women don't even NEED make-up. All they have to do is eat right and keep their skin moisturized and they're good to go. Maybe a little lip-gloss, but unless they have a major defect they don't need make-up. I've told sisters so many times, forget about the make-up, hair, and nails.....stop eating all of them damn cheese burgers and tacos and dairy products that dry out your skin and makes your hair brittle and fall out. This woman and Viola Davis are pretty much the same complexion but she only has on lip-gloss and look how much better her lips look in their natural state.

Cynique Happy belated birthday! Since you like posing in lingere for jokes and dares why don't you do another pose for your 85th birthday, put the picture in a thread and do an opinion poll on it???? Chev You are too much! You don't seem 85 years old but, 85 years young. My uncles got you beat though, one of them is 97 years old this August and he seems as though he is in his thirties when he talks and converses Maybe you should try to hook them up! Lol, maybe Cynique will post a picture of herself flopped down all over a couch and you can send him a picture of her and see what he thinks. 97 years old is impressive. Does he drink or smoke? Does he still walk or how active is he? I LOVE talking to people who are of an advanced age but still in their right mind. I love getting history DIRECTLY from the source from those who were actually around to experience and observe it....as opposed to getting it from books or old news sources. People who are old enough to see and experience things often give a far more detailed report than anything you'll read in a book. I've heard people who actually lived down south during segregation tell me things that I still have yet to read in a book.

Chev What scientists are calling "neaderthals" today are merely the product of Caucasians who were attempting to "breed" themselves back into the Black race while they were in the Caucasus mountains. 　 Mel This reminds me of the tiki-torch chant "We will not be replaced" ...It makes you wonder who are they actually talking about... I believe their words were "Jews will not replace us". It shows you how ignorant and deceived many of these poor and angry Caucasians are who are out there marching and shouting. They hate Jews....but Jews are the leaders of the Caucasian race. They are responsible for much of discoveries of science and technology that the West enjoys today.

It's frightening that all the way up into the modern era there are some AfroAmerican communities that still live like that. Up until the late 90s we were still hearing stories about communities in Texas and Louisiana where Black families were STILL picking cotton on large plantations and didn't know they had the right to vote!

Cynique theories out there about we O-negative blood types being descended from alien life forms who hitch-hiked rides to earth on comets and meteors and asteroids Damn. It's funny you said that because on another thread I told Chev about a book I read a while back that said RH NEGATIVE blood was from an alien source that mixed their DNA with humans. Personally, I'm not sure about any of this. Chev Yeah, we as a people aren't Black or even purely African. We're mixed up with a lot of Caucasian and Native American ancestry. This is why I refer to our people here in America as "AfroAmericans" meaning Americans of African DESCENT. We aren't a race, as AfroAmericans we're an ETHNIC GROUP. We come in all shades and colors but we all have similar backgrounds and practice the same culture. 　 So what I am saying is that, a persons PHENOTYPE at times, does not manifest their GENOTYPE but, it seems that at times, 'race' is determined based on phenotype and historically, this kind of confusion has caused many problems. Yes, I understand exactly what you're saying. Some people are more "Black" on the inside than they are on the outside....lol. And some people are more "White" or on the inside than they are on the outside. And the very example that you used, 'blonde hair and blue eyes' is one of the issues that has brought confusion. Today, because of mankinds false construct about 'race', therefore, many people believe that this is a WHITE, EUROPEAN or Asiatic trait, but this is dead wrong!!! Blond hair and blue eyes are recessive traits that can appear in any race, but they are most commonly found among Caucasians because of their sheer predominance of recessive genes. 　 　 Yes this I agree also. As of now, I do not have a good reference source based on secular books to explain my deeper research on this term, but I am hoping to be able to present some references soon. Have you ever studied the teachings of Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam? He goes in depth about the origins of the Caucasian race and how they end up in the Caucasus Mountains in the first place. The story of EXODUS you read in the Bible is based on a much earlier story of how Caucasians were driven out of Egypt and other places in that region UP INTO the Caucasus mountains from where it gets it's name, and from there they went wild for about 2,000 years.

Oh man I'm just now seeing what you're talking about! Yeah, Jackson is indeed a Black city and to see an audience THIS White in the middle of a Black city is indeed a shocker. Infact, I don't remember the last time I saw an audience THAT White before.....lol. I looked hard and couldn't spot one Black, Brown, or Yellow face. Except for the one dude in the green shirt, I didn't even see any "ethnic" looking Whites like Italians or Jews or even Ain the audience; they all look like run-of-the-mill Anglosaxons. And if you look at the clothes they're wearing, they look pretty plain like something out of the 50s or early 60s. It tells you a lot about the mindset of the audience. I've seen more Black people at Trump rallies than in THAT audience....lol.

Mel Yes, congrads. Lol, who is that Rick Ross looking brother in the picture next to you.....your husband?

Cynique Black men just can't seem to accept that blond hair is about vanity and attraction The the reason WHY blond hair is considered attractive is the issue at hand. The reason WHY blond hair is considered attractive by so many AfroAmerican women is because the AfroAmerican community has been trained since slavery to see Caucasian features like straight hair, blonde hair, and blue eyes as attractive. Your inability to separate your opinion from fact is what puts you at odds with others so often. And YOUR inability to separate reality from fantasy is what put YOU at odds with your ex-"boytoy" and got your behind sent back home from vacation early.....lol. Chev I think that bright red lipstick clashes with her dark brown complexion because as I told Cynique, a woman's lips are a reflection of her vagina and it's health as both are mucus membranes. Bright red lips subconsciously says that the vagina is red and irritated as if it's infected instead of a healthy dark brown color. 　 　 　 Troy Mary J. is my girl..always has been. She's naturally sexy with a shy attitude and I call her my "ghetto princess"...lol. Like Mel said, Mary's been blond for a long time so I really hadn't paid it any attention. But no, it's not a good look for her in MY opinion. Don't get me wrong, she still looks good....but it's not the hair, it's just her natural facial features DESPITE the platinum blond hair.

Chev You talk a lot about the Rh negative. That's interesting, because I was reading a book a few months ago by an author who seemed to be connecting the Rh negative blood type to space aliens who colonized earth and mixed their genes with humans. He talked about how people with Rh negative blood had special powers.

　 Troy Ofcourse Jesse Lee is pretty popular with so-called "conservative" Caucasians because he's self depricating towards his own people. He pretty much says that racism doesn't exist and it's all a figment of AfroAmericans' imaginations so he's basically don't some of their dirty work for them. (Generally I believe these people are mostly interested in serving themselves, but that is another story). Actually you're right. Most people who know Jesse personally says he's not NEARLY as big of a coon or uncle tom as he portrays, but he's doing and saying the things he says for money and publicity. He simply doesn't care about the damage he's doing to the AfroAmerican community by promoting the views he's promoting, he only cares about himself. BTW.....Mel is getting all UP in your ass right now in a way I haven't seen her do before. Lol.....what did you do or say to her to piss her off???? Mel 　 Isn't it possible that there is a black community that subscribes to his message?  I get the sense, that if a person isn't walking around promoting everything from a specific 'black' community (one that you deem is black enough) then he or she for "white' people's amusement. Am I correct? COME ON NOW miss lady.....lol. Don't tell me YOU agree with Jesse Lee Peterson's view. If you're going to smack Troy upside the head for not believing in the obvious reality of race...well.... Go right ahead..lol. But if you're going to agree with Jesse that there is no racism and all the problems AfroAmericans are facing are their own fault, I'm not sure about that one.

Perhaps wicked, or perhaps he became disillusioned and just gave up on his own. I'm convinced that a lot of Black people turn against their own people and become Uncle Tom and join racist conservatives NOT JUST for money, but out of despair. They may look at other Black people and the negative conditions and become so disgusted and depressed by what they they feel like "selling out" and joining a winning team is the only reasonable solution.

Perhaps the 5 year old's reasoning is still in it's purest sense and hasn't been "conditioned" or tampered with by society, lol A 5 year old with young fresh eyes is more likely to see something for what it IS; while a 50 year old with decades of training and indoctrination is more likely to see what is EXPECTED or what he WISHES to see. Never forget the story of the Emperor with no clothes and how it took a CHILD to expose the obvious.

This is one of the strangest things about the political climate of the South that I just don't understand. The South has the largest concentration of AfroAmericans of any region of the United States. I can't figure out how can states like Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, ect...with such high Black popluations STILL end up going Republican and be labled as "red states". It's as if the Black majority in those areas just don't vote or refuse to get politically involved and allow racist conservative White minority to run wild.

Yes, your point is far more coherent now. But I disagree with it. Ofcourse racism plays A PART....probably a major part.....in us not seeing that particular photo of Viola as too flattering; however even if the factors of historical racism and subtle slights were removed, that picture of her would STILL be seen as unflattering in my book. Not only does that bright red lipstick clash with her dark brown skin....that's minor. The EXPRESSION on her face is a much bigger problem. She looks more like she's in SHOCK or grimacing than she looks happy. She looks almost horrified of what she's seeing with her upper lip curled back exposing an inappropriate amount of teeth and gums. So it's not JUST the racial factor but the visuals period.

Ofcource Beyonce isn't "Black"! How many unmixed Black Africans have you ever seen who looked like her??? She is an AFROAMERICAN.....like you and I. Meaning she's an American OF African ancestry by various degrees. Some are pure African...or "Black"....others only have trace amounts and can pass for White. But blonde hair not withstanding, you can look at her and tell she's got a lot of European in her ancestry.

That's Jesse Lee Peterson again....lol. And no, he's not too smart for being an unapologetic Uncle Tom who claims that racism NEVER existed.....but I have to admit that he's smarter than he lets on. He purposely PLAYS ignorant to bait his guests into his traps and let their guard down. He's also a bit charismatic which tends to disarm people who would otherwise attack him or storm off of his show highly offended. Don't underestimate that clown.

Different people have different views about what exactly constitutes "corruption". I was having a conversation with a White man....who considered himself quite liberal and progressive.....a few weeks ago that almost turned into an argument. He considered himself a Democratic Socialist, supported Bernie Sanders, and also supports that yount Latina woman in New York who is also a Democratic Socialist. He is of the belief that greed is one of the biggest sins and it's at the root of capitalism and he believed that all money and greed factors need to be removed from politics period. I happened to see greed....like lust....as MORALLY NEUTRAL and he not only disagreed but refused to even entertain the thought of it being so. But I see GREED and the strong desire to attain and save up money as just another emotion like happines, ecstacy, fear, ect.....and it can be used for good or bad. Greed actually can be a powerful motivator to get one out of poverty or raise one from an dependent state to an independent state. My point is, we must first come to a consensus on what IS corruptions before we start going after what we consider to be corrupt.

??? Not sure I understand your statement.

Troy this statement, with all due respect, reflects sloppy thinking. I've exhausted every possible means I have at my disposal to help you understand why, but obviously someone much more skilled than I is needed -- but I doubt that would make a difference, because you very rigid in your opinions. The statement I made was more than just an opinion, it is an absolute FACT. Just because something is "man made" and is a construct, doesn't mean it's NOT real or valid. Buildings are "man-made constructs"...and they are real and people live and work in them. The ideals of Democracy and Communism are both "man made constructs" but they are realities that affect the lives of millions of people. Just because the concept of catagorizing people by race is a man-made construct DOES NOT mean it's not real or valid. Abstract concepts are just as real as tangible objects. 　 Can you then explain how some "Black" people have more in common, genetically with some white people than other white people. One of the reasons is because many people who are CALLED "Black" aren't really Black. People like Beyonce...who we call "Black" but genetically speaking is probably anywhere from 40% to 50% European. Another reasons is that a lot of White people....especially Italians and Jews....have a Black ancestry. Most southern Italians could easily pass for Arab and many could pass for Black Africans. Yes most Europeans have a small percentage of Neanderthal DNA, but this does not make them, Neanderthal -- or "white." They are still SPaiens like the rest of us. Maybe if they had 75% Neanderthal DNA it would be a different story. I think you're raising the bar TOO high with the DNA percentage argument. I read somewhere that both humans and apes share over 90% of the same DNA. So if humans and animals are that close in DNA...obviously different races of the SAME species would share an even higher percentage. Chev And I do agree with much of what you have written. But regarding the term, 'Caucasian' even though I know that today European scholars use this term too, in the description of White people, but I have another deeper understanding about this term too. I'm not sure of your understanding of the term but when I use it I use it with the understanding that the Caucasian race is called this because of their origins from Central Asia and the Caucasus mountains region. A persons GENOTYPE determines a persons' 'race' based on my understanding. Ofcourse. I don't think we disagree (and then perhaps we might) so much as I just think you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying. Genotype DOES determine a person's race but the PHENOTYPE is just one of the physical manifestations OF the genotype. In other words a person's physical characteristics is just just one of the FEW physical manifestations of their genes and other aspect of their biology. A particular gene or allele determines that you will have blue eyes and blonde hair, but you can't see blue eyes or blonde hair in the gene or allele....only when the child is born will that gene or allele make itself manifest.

I didn't know she had cancer. The first time I heard about it was when she was close to dying a couple weeks ago. I guess she's gone to be with her father C.L. now. I've been to the church she grew up singing in....New Bethel....several times. They must have redone it because the church they're showing in the media looks nothing like the old brownstone church I remembered going to the few times I went there. And it's in a GHETTO...lol. Although I didn't actually MEET Aretha I will never forget the time I was actually NEAR her presence. Ahhhh man........ I was a teenager and working in a mall. I heard a lot of people yelling and screaming and foot stomping and things crashing and being knocked over, THEN I saw droves of people running in the same direction.....grown people. I wasn't sure if they were running TO something or running FROM something....lol. I thought it was one of those massive mall brawls that happen when you have too many highschool kids there on the weekends. I asked a security officer what was going on and he said Aretha Franklin was in one of the department stores shopping and her fans spotted her. The was one of my first introductions at a young age of how much power and influence celebrities have over the masses.

I haven't seen it yet but I plan on it. I have to admit, they've been making some REALLY good Black-themed movies these past few years. I think D'Jango Unchained by Tarantino kinda put AfroAmerican directors and producers on the hop. Made them say if a White man can make a Black movies this good.....WE should be able to. I've seen Get Out, Detroit, Black Panther, and a few others I've forgotten for the moment and they've all been good. Also I've been keeping up with the new television show "Black Lightening" which has been REALLY good! It's so good, I'm suprised they allow it on network television...lol. In the past they used to keep good Black shows on cable and make you pay to see them. But there's little doubt in my mind that THIS Spike Lee Joint will be a great one.

Not trying to disrespect this thread, I'm sure the sister can get down in the kitchen but..... You're a BRAVE man to eat at a restaurant called "Dooky Chase" Just the name alone invokes images of running around clutching your stomach and trying to find the closest toilet a couple hours after eating there.

I remember this argument.....infact I believe I'm the one who got the discussion going in the first place...but I forgot many of the finer points I was making and don't have the time to run over them because I think much of my argument is in another thread. However....... It's not so much that this photo of a dark skinned Viola in red lipstick with her lips curled back and teeth baring in a shocking way is "racist".....it's more that the photo is UNFLATTERING. Most of the Black women on this board argued that Viola had the right to wear whatever she wanted and pose however she wanted. I didn't argue AGAINST that right. Certainly she isn't putting the AfroAmerican community in danger by doing it. But as I've said before, some things look "natural" and go great together, other things clash. I believe the Chinese call it "fug shei".....and I'm sure ancient Africans also had a name for it. Those bright red colors CLASHED with her beautiful complexion and her expression CLASHED with the context of the photo. She looked more like she was in shock or horrified than actually smiling. I believe part of my argument was that the racism question may have come in if you consider the fact that Caucasian magazines have a HISTORY of portraying AfroAmerican women in the most unflattering of images, especially the darker skinned ones. Identifying racism is almost instinctive. As African people in Western society we almost learn how to "sniff out" even the most subtle forms of racism or disrespect from others even if it's concealed much like some women who have the instinctive ability to sniff out a man who finds her attractive despite his attempts to hide his true feelings.

Well, I suppose I can look at it this way............. If this issue catches fire to the point that it UNITES most Black men in solidarity around the issue regardless of how vague it may be, then I would consider it a good result. Not the best or most ideal result, but better than nothing. However I still believe it MAY be causing more harm than good because it's pissing off a lot of Caucasians who ordinarily would have stayed on the sidelines and NOT support Trump....but because they love this nation and believe in that flag will NOW side with Trump against the players whom they will deem "unpatriotic". I believe they're needlessly making more enemies.