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    A Guest asked the following, I placed my reply  in this same post postfix. 

     

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    What Did We Really Gain? - Culture, Race & Economy - AALBC.com’s Discussion Forums

     

    He asked two questions

    1) what did we really gain?

    2) what influence to other black people is the intimate relations of Black people who are fiscally wealthy or in potent/heavily viewed places in government AND why are black people in said categories not regaled or desiring black only relations?

     

    I will start with the first.

    I don't know who the we is he refered to specifically. But, if by we, he meant the Black community in the USA, I present the following answer to his question.

    As I define the Black community in the usa, which is not analagous to every black person on earth, let alone the usa, We gained nothing. 

    But comprehend it isn't a phenotypical speciality.

    Individual achievements are not collective achievements. For example, one white man didn't enslave black people. The White community in humanity enslaved the Black community in humanity.  In parallel, former mayor bloomberg of NYC is jewish. But, the same jewish women in NYC who complained about being abused by jewish men before his mayorlty, complained during his mayorlty and after. 

    Individual achievements are individual. The only thing communal from individual achievements is inspirations. 

    Other Black individuals have been inspired by Barack Obama who became president/Colin Powell who became head of the joint chiefs/condoleeza rice who became secretary of state/Clarence Thomas who became a supreme court judge and yes, if appointed <which i think she will be>or not <merely for being the first black female candidate>,  Ketanji Brown Jackson.  But, gain is not inspiration. 

    When a person says, I was inspired by a forebears activities that isn't gain. When a person says, i inherited from said forebears, that is gain.

     

    To the second... 

    his posts details is not related to the title. 

    I will break up the second question into three questions. 

    A)What influence do intimate relations have to others in a village?

    B)What had or is hindering Black on Black relationships , making people not good enough to each other?

    C)What is the philosophical disconnect between black people in government to the black community, in the usa? 

     

    Answers

    A) Human beings have the right to desire whatever philosophy comes to mind, sequentially, any relationship that is in opposition to that philosophy is negative. If a black man or woman feels Black people need to only be with other Black people, then a marriage between a black person side a white person is in opposition. The greater question is, what does the black person who is opposed to miscegenation do? Murder is against the law. Assault is against the law. Now, the philosophy is not against the law. An idea is to make it into law, or go somewhere where it can be made into law, as the usa has a legal system that naturally opposes opposing individual activities that are not inherently criminal. So, people can dislike the pairing of two individuals, this is very human. I have personally seen many negative reactions to miscegenation in various racial context in NYC: religious<jew/muslim>, phenotype <black/white>, geographic<dominican/puerto rican> and if it can happen in NYC, then many other places well, I arrest my case. But, the question isn't whether you feel impotent by a relationship you don't want to see, but what are you going to do about it.

     

    B> Nothing is the answer.  one of the great lies in modern humanity is the threat of miscegenation taking over any group. The truth is, most villages: black/white/muslim/asian/latino/ango/african/european/christian/atheis/vegan tend to marry in themselves by a clear majority. Anita told Maria to stick with your own kind, but in truth, most people do in the entirety of human history. And even though the usa offers a protection, a legal protection, or a cultural destigmatization through its media apparatus to miscegenation, it was, is , and never will be a common thing. Now do elected or appointed officials, deemed Black, at certain locals in the USA federal government have common ways that are uncommon among black people? yes. But, is that a problem or is that a reality? If you accept that the usa is a white country, then it isn't a problem. A white country will not allow Black individuals who don't fit accepted philosophies to ascend into certain offices.

     

    C) Humanity has a problem, it is very old, very common, and is based on the lack of organization in communities or villages in general. I will explain.

    The average person in the USA will say they are american, a proper label being statian. Americans are from canada to argentina. Now, the question is simple, if the over 300 million people in the usa is a village, is their one tribe. A tribe isn't a village. The STatian village has the black tribe, the white tribe, the native tribe , the female tribe, the christian, most are part of multiple tribes, but each tribe has its houses. the black tribe has the financial black elite house, the fiscal poor house, the black soldiers house , the black christian house, the black female house, and et cetera. and in each house are rooms. 

    but what is the problem. When a person is in a position of power what will their actions reflect? Will they reflect the combined erratic philosophy of the village or the complex philosophy of their tribe or thelattice of the house or the rigid of their room or the simplistic of self? 

    Sometimes a person's philosophy fits that of a house, like Hitler in germany. No his philosophy did not fit all germany. But it fit the working class plus poor christian tribes in Germany. Yes, majority exists in villages/tribes/houses. The USA was founded by enslavers, but the legal code stated the legal system defends the identity or safety of the individual over house/tribe/village. Now what does this have to do with black people in the usa. When the war between the states ended, as in all other times, many Black leaders existed. The Black leaders who prevailed were all financed by whites, all had a philosophy that was nonviolent in nature or individual in function. 

    Frederick Douglass side the black religious groups were the biggest leaders in the Black community in the usa at the end of the war between the states. The Black Churches nor Douglass wanted a Black state in the usa or some segregatory standing to whites in the usa /a black exodus to somewhere else/a black war against whites for revenge. this doesn't mean millions of black people were opposed to that. Nat Turner was a real person, lived at the same time as Frederick Douglass. But, the most well financed Black leaders, were those who believe in Black Individualism. What is Black Individualism? It is very simple, it says, the Black community in the USA, or the world, grows when each or every individual in it grows. TO restate, if every Black person starts a business or starts another business till they succeed with a solid firm, then the black community is doing great. And it didn't require a specific organizational model or strict adherence by each individual to a code or creed. 

    What are the advantages of Black individualism? it needs no central organization or leader or judgement board. A Black woman can marry a white man or a Black man can marry a white woman and succeed in Black individualism by being a supreme court judge regardless of their legal opinions or standings. A Mulatto can deem himself Black and marry a Black woman and succeed in Black Individualism by becoming president of the USA with the purpose of helping all in the USA. Black individualism doesn't concern with how the individual relates to the community, it concerns with how the individual relates to self. A Black woman can be unmarried and a billionaire and succeed in Black Individualism regardless of her activities in the Black community, ala Oprah Winfrey. 

    Now, Frederick Douglass who had white female mistresses, was a huge believer in Black Individualism. As a subset of Individualsim, Black Individualism suggests, regardless of a communities/villages/tribes situation, the individualism is still valid. So, even though Black children were being burned alive, black women were being hung while pregnant, Black towns were being annihilated and looted by whites, black elected officials in the USA led by the guidance of Black churches or Black leaders like Frederick DOuglass didn't say, war of revenge/segregate or other philosophies, I mentioned. They said, Black Individualism and support the legal system of the USA which defends individualism at its core. Thus, the Black community in the usa for over 150 years has been led by Black Individualists. Sometimes you get communalists like Malcolm or Garvey or Nat Turner but the majority of Black people in the USA are individualists, not communalists. Remember, it isn't that Black Individualists don't want betterment for all Black people. But, they plan that betterment through each individual life supported by a legal code, not activities requiring the combined village or parts of the village in circled about its own code. Is it wrong or right? good or bad? neither in either question. The only valuable question is, is it functional? To reword, is it working?

    If you are honests and look at the Black community in the USA, the answer is yes based on the philosophy. This is why it is important to view things from the angle of a  tribe. A Black Nationalists will say it isn't working. But why? Black Nationalists demands things to be created by Black people. Sequentially, using a white created legal system/being in positions in a white made government, go against the nature of Black Nationalists. As all Nationalists are looking to to be part of things, their particular race creates. But Black Individuals don't plan through communal action. It isn't the Nation of Islam which is a group led through a leader, or Back to Africa which is a segregatory agreement by all in it. Black Individualism, like all individualism,  goes against the individual acting as leader for any group. Black Individualism goes against accepting any creed or code as a collective standard to any group. Black Individualism supports the individual's gain. The only relationship to others is inspiration. even if it is dislike. So for example, if a Black person left the USA after BArack Obama became president to a Black country, Black country defined as a country where most humans are in the phenotypical range commonly called Black, Black Individualism accepts the act cause that is the individuals wish/activity, even if the person left cause they are a Black Militant and want Black people to have an offensive , violent, abusive, or militaristically potent stance towards non Blacks. Barrack Obama's presidency to a Black Militant is sinful, against their being. But, even if the Black Militant acts from their philosophy, Black Individualists support their actions as individuals while opposing their communal mantra. 

    Finally, the elected leaders in the USA are usually/mostly, Black Individualists. They don't see their legal impotency to Black communal growth as not helping the Black community cause they don't see Black communal action as the way to help the Black community. It isn't Black man starts business to help black people. It is Black man starts business to own a great business. All other Black Individuals can thus do the same, regardless of restrictions/boundaries/limitations or any other negative. 

    Again, is it right or wrong? neither. Is it good or bad? neither. 

    All have to choose their tribe in the village. The only true question is what will you do to hold true to your tribe. 

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