richardmurray

REPLY TO A SPEECH ON LOLITA
The first problem with books that deal with mature/nsfw/erotic/sexually uncommon or illegal activity is films visual aspect tends to force a sale. 
1:35 interesting, I find it interesting as a writer that she is bored with the book, from Humbert's dialog, or the 60s film in that it was boring to her as well. 
2:25 Adrien lynn, lolita lays in the wet grass:) hilarious, it is a like a tease in the movies. 
2:29 Shelley Winters, great thespian
3:49 she says not all stories are made for every medium. I don't know. 
Didn't know not one obscene term is in the book. It isn't erotic but a journey of the pedophile. I love the care of the author to restrict himself from going erotic or displaying. It is easy for most male writers to sooner or later , go descriptive. 
5:42  I concur to the videographer, this story needs care, i can't deny it can be quick but t
6:03 Nabokov said," he wants pure colors, melting clouds, .. no girls.... settle for immaculate white jacket with lolita in bold black lettering.. one subject i am emphatically opposed to, any representation of a little girl"
by two years, the Stockholm Sweden, the region where an author of a little book originally titled , "why men hate women" , is from, made the first cover where a little girl is present. I think that is telling to the nature of various communities. But I pause. 
7:49 the 1959 Turkish version:) I don't blame Nabokov for laughing, this lolita is older than the man:) 
8:24 the film changes the visual covers of the book ever after
the ninety pound four foot tall lolita in the book is dead and the "grown girl" who acts lascivious takes over the cover. 
Good point how the covers seem to be of lolita's mother, not lolita, which is saying what? 
10:14 She makes a convincing point of James B Harris as the source of the problem. 
12:31 the hayes code prohibited a lot and Nabokov composed a 400 page screenplay, after first saying no. 
I concur to Nabokov. if lolita has a relative, that supposedly cares, how can she get married to this predator.:) 
14:23 The MPAA said it was too immoral, but Harris said that in the usa it was and still is legal for a girl of 12 to marry a man of Humbert's age as long as she had the parents consent. but they dropped the marriage plot line. And made lolita 15 not 12. 
15:24 I concur the 60s film couldn't let lolita be viewed as a girl. a pure girl, not late teen.
16:30 Nabokov thought Catherine Demongeot from Zazie and the metro would be the ideal, but while it is legal for a child looking like demongeot to marry a grown man in some states in the usa, Hollywood would never pronounce that to the larger world. 
16:48 great point from how Nabokov saw Dolores Hayes opposed to Hollywood. 
great split screen showing how Humbert's view is stronger than Dolores's reality. 
17:45 While what Harris said may be deemed insensitive, financially HArris is right. People are self righteous. If you show an honest relationship between a grown male and a child female , however negative, it will kill the film. The book is about an adult male who takes advantage of a child female who is alone in the world. and the negative path that he is on that drags others around him. The book  isn't meant to be an upbeat story. And film, especially USA film, always goes upbeat. Look at song of the south. You will never realize the terror that black people live with surrounded by all powerful whites in the usa. Past the silent era, the usa film industry is a myth machine and when it comes to white identity or usa identity or white male identity, outside independent films, it always supports non criminalizing or displaying negatively, the usa, white people or white males. 
18:25 proven point, harris mad elolita an international underage sex symbol. 
19:08 sue lyon and james b harris real life Humbert/dolores scenario needs to be a movie. 
20:14 the tragedy of films like lolita is the people involved never escape the film because the film has a greater range than the bok and all the various tribes against or for the book based on its themes attack constantly. 
Her contract had her supposed to do five or six movies but she spent years promoting the film. 
21:45 Sue lyons the thespian says no 14 year old girl should be in this film as this character,
23:00 great point on abuse between mature or immature. A murder on film is not a real murder, no matter how it may look and while i oppose the videographer, i think those who desire violence like such scenes. But, a story about relationships between a child an adult, become solid interpretations of said relationships and if negative their abuse. A parent helping their child go to a camp ro school is a scene between a child and an adult, but it is generally positive. but a scene with a man ripping the clothes off a girl who lays their... pleasantly, is candy for such a crowd of adults that want to do that. 
24:32 This videogrpaher's point is great, a thespian female child acting like an abused female child , even though it isn't a real experience, is a fake experience that is too dangerous for children, and historically female child thespians. she gives a list of names.: brook shields/sue lyon/dominuqe swain/nina sivari/natalie portman.
Natalie Portman's admittance that her first fan mail ,after her first film "the professional" ,was a rape fantasy, a countdown on her radio show when it would be legal for her to sleep with, movie reviews talked about her budding breast. 
28:35 The videographer makes a good point, the two other films that she recounts that deal with the topic of an adult sexually abusing a child are from books that are told from the perspective of the abused, the child. But lolita is from the perspective of the abuser, the adult, sequentially, the desire, the lust to the child has to be in that story, not the fear from the child or confustion from the child but the eagerness or passion from the adult to the child. and thus different films,
30:45 Great that the woman in the film mentioned , bel powley,was 22 playing an 18 year old. 
31:45 great contrast between the diary of a teenage girl film and euphoria show
32:41 The videographer makes the point, supported by another, Roxanne Gay of ugly Beautiful, that, the problem with lolita in book or video form is that the narrative angle is the primary problem. At the end of the day, the angle of view isn't the child but the adult... and thus while a book can be read , even in a group, the ability of a video to be shown and absorbed makes it far more... delicate or dangerous to evade promoting the behavior of the adult abuser. 
I do not think any subject matter is out of bounds. I despise birth of a nation, song of the south, gone with the wind, but I don't have a problem with it being shown. The art world isn't meant to make people comfortable. The art world is not meant to fight culture wars. it is a place for all views all visions, yes that includes the southern slaver, the nazi, the british general. It isn't meant to be legal or civilized or caring. It can be , but it can be all opposite.
Everyone has the right to tell any story, it may not be good, it may not be gentle and yes it may trigger, yes, it may trigger , but that is ok in my eyes. 
35:17 I agree, the creative process in a book, a book of fiction besides the authors has no creators. But films involve far more, are  much more collaborative and in terms of female thespians that are children, child thespians male or female, their involvement in such a film project is... historically negative. I will be open minded and say that a good example hasn't been made yet, where a teenage female hasn't had an abusive time portraying a female character that has sexual interactions with males.
35:51 great point about the modern media's ability to have common folk make their own videos which mimick or mirror or imitate film visions and generate community plus wealth around behavior that is at the least dangerous. 
37:11  Tom Bissel's point the videographer shares is key. The hunger games or Lolita films prove that the media focuses on messages against the books point. but I argue many movies need to use the term inspired by not from . The Hunger Games isn't from the books but inspired by, the lolita films are not from the books but inspired by. The Lolita films legally must cite where they came from, the books, but they need to specificy they are not from the book, they are truly loosely inspired. 
41:21 I give Jeremy irons credit,  a wise male actor never touches this film, he is brave. 
42:01 Nabukov said it best here what lolita is and the fact that both films or most similar films that focus on the mature person's angle of perception are unable to convey this is key.
This point is present. Humbert is unreliable. 
44:34 Lauren Groff makes a good point. The film needs to groom the viewer in the same way the book groom the reader.
45:54 the videographer closes with an honest quote from Tom Bissel , from his book Nabokov's rocking chair. Few starving writers would say no to writing lolita as a screenplay but it is on average an experience that will harm a child thespian. 

IN CONCLUSION

I think one thing she doesn't  state explicitly but imply is the power of a great producer. Writers/directors have in their nature a desire to tackle challenging stories. Yes, make money, but sooner or later, most artists: illustrators, writers, singers , dancers, directors want to tackle topics that will always create varying crowds about them like interracial relationships [birth of a nation/song of the south/guess whose coming to dinner]/historical assessments[gone with the wind/pocahantas/1492 conquest of paradise]/illegal or criminal abuses between individuals[lolita/] . But producers who are the bank, the money, should be more concerned with the result of investment and beleagured female child thespians , in my opinion, isn't a positive return on investment. 

As I saw this I thought the screenplay , if you are going to do the angle of the abuser, you can't have the four foot 90 pound female in the film directly. In a book yes, it is words, readers, no matter their nature can imagine,and yes, some males will imagine with all the fornicative violence that will frighten the civilized, but in a film such a character will require a thespian , now i admit, it is possible to make a computer generated character that is of the appearance of a human female child but... any child who looks like her will be attached in the larger media so... I argue it goes down the same path , albeit with less immediate consequence. So don't ever depict Dolores visually, but she can be heard. And the Humbert character can interact with her absent her viewing. It takes skill but it can be done. And Lolita can be present as Humbert's imagination through drawings and can be made unreliable by other characters interactions with him about his representations of lolita. 

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