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@Pioneer1 the exoduster movement was in the usa. I didn't mean to suggest leaving the usa. Even though I have publicly stated I support garveyism. 

You said you wanted black people to make and enforce our own laws. the exoduster movement was a set of black people who chose to move into the western states circa war between the states to make black towns where black people ruled in the usa. But Frederick Douglass/ Black Churches, Black elected officials in places like south carolina all opposed the exoduster movement for various reasons. So it didn't get the kind of traction it needed. But it wasn't black laziness or wanting white patronage, it was black leaders, undoubted black leaders, in a key moment that opposed the exoduster movement. 

I oppose your view, I think most black people have followed the black leaders. Frederick douglass wanted integration, black people integrated. the churches wanted non violence, black people are mostly non violent. Don't tell me black people don't have the right to not have murderers when the white community in the usa has never stopped murdering since they came to these shores. The problem is, integration doesn't lead to the changes people think,. In human history this is fact. Black people in south africa/irish in england/ koreans in japan , oppressed people never change the systems of their oppressors being in them. If you know of a historic example do tell. Non violence and following the law isn't going to protect you from being murdered or killed. But in defense, look at the quantity of black people fiscally wealthy , happy in the USA. I say that the majority of black leaders guidance in the past in the usa has bore fruit. Again, was it whites that told douglass to oppose exodusters or immigrating movements out of the usa to various locals? it wasn't.  Was it whites who told W.E.B. Dubois to testify against garvey? Was it whites who told black soldiers in world war I or II to make extra efforts in the usa, as if they needed to prove something in the usa? Black leaders made their choices and black people followed. I don't blame the black populous for being led not as good as it could had been. And even the individual mantra which many black leaders place on the community has one great flaw. tens of millions of people do not share one mind and if each is an individual then a leader is a fool to think they can profess individualism and bootstraps to all the flock but then demand they all think like the leader. The leader is fooling themselves if they think that. 

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@ProfD

Pioneer made a quote in another post

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If we really want to change the practices of law enforcement then we need to do 2 things:

1. Make OUR OWN laws

2. Enforcement OURSELVES with our own specially trained enforcers.

 

Until we stop relying on White folks to do everything for us including make the policies and govern us....and take the initiative to feed, clothe, and govern ourselves....the problem will continue.

 

The next best thing is to join the existing law enforcement agencies and try to rise as high as we can through the ranks so that we'll have some sort of power and influence over their behavior and policies.

  Pioneer's quote delivers a present, modern, sense in the very forum we communicate in. Pioneer stated a goal that is a larger sense of black potency or ownership but what pioneer state secondarily is the current activity of many ,and I say most, black people in the usa. Sequentially, regardless of other intentions, joining into white organizations can only lead to a peaceful coexistence to whites in the usa as the end goal. 

You say reparations, profd says black self rule, but what black leaders guide most black people to do is merely integration to create peaceful multiracial participation into the usa, rightly or wrongly. 

Getting reparations anywhere near warranted or a measure of self rule for a majority of black people can not occur through integrated participation side whites in organizations in the usa. 

@Pioneer1

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If we really want to change the practices of law enforcement then we need to do 2 things:

1. Make OUR OWN laws

2. Enforcement OURSELVES with our own specially trained enforcers.

I have a question, for clarity. Are you saying the Black American community in the USA needs to 1) make our own laws 2) enforce said laws ourselves? 

If the answer to the prior question is no, then please clarify where or the location.

If the answer to the prior question is yes. I ask cause isn't that a very challenging goal? The USA has many non Black people. nothing is impossible but your goal is quite the challenge , i must admit. It would had been better if more black people adopted the exoduster movement in the past for your stated goal.

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The next best thing is to join the existing law enforcement agencies and try to rise as high as we can through the ranks so that we'll have some sort of power and influence over their behavior and policies.

What you state Pioneer has been the strategy by the majority of black leaders since frederick douglass in the usa. In the end, I argue what you call the next best thing has been and is the primary thing for black people in the usa, rightly or wrongly. 

@Pioneer1

I guess my section of harlem growing up as a child was different. but in defense the black community of harlem in manhattan is significantly older than a number of black communities in  nyc, especially queens or brooklyn, or in other major cities.

The following are the differences. The first two points we are on in the same but the following are differences, between experiences.

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-The family sitting around by candle light eating dinner after the power was cut.
Come on, if you grew up in the hood you CAN relate to that...lol

-How the neighbors would watch your home while you were away on vacation reminds me of how they used to do when I was a kid.  I don't recall anyone else putting that in a film or even on television

-There was a scene I'd never forget how when the family was leaving to go down South everybody on the block was waving them good bye as they were driving off.  That's EXACTLY what they used to do on our block when a family would take a trip out of town.  Everybody outside who saw you pull off would wave and bid you a good trip with love and smiles and promised to watch your house while yall were gone.

-How the little girl was hallucinating about her mother still being alive when she woke up and heard her father cleaning the stove.
Something most children who lost a parent can relate to.

-I can't forget all of the sisters, brothers, and cousins crowded together in a little room watching Soul Train.
Reminded me of my family every time we went over relatives houses...lol.

I never ate by candlelight as a child.

More people have had issues with crime in this section of harlem since white people became the majority. As a kid , my section of harlem was tranquil really.  

I went down south many times, but no one waved us away. 

I was fortunate to not lose either parent as a child.

My blood kin lived all over, some in new jersey, some in various southern states, georgia/tennessee/et cetera so we didn't have those kinds of mass gatherings. And I never watched soul train till teenage. 

thanks:) @Dee Miller

When you used at the end of your presented segment, "free at last , thank god almighty i am free at last " and I recalled mlk jr's speech, i remember him referring to speaking of the negro spiritual in the line immediately before the closing, so I thought why not use a negro spiritual to design my next reply:) ... for the record I am not christian. If anyone suggest anything to me from this. 

The title of the negro spiritual i used as a reference is : "There is a balm in gilead" I think you can see what I used.

There is a balm in Gilead
To make the wounded whole;
There is a balm in Gilead
To heal the sin-sick soul.

Some times I feel discouraged,
And think my work’s in vain,
But then the Holy Spirit
Revives my soul again.

If you cannot sing like angels,
If you can’t preach like Paul,
You can tell the love of Jesus,
And say He died for all.
 

@ProfD 

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you're right in that many AfroAmericans are satisfied in having a relatively peaceful coexistence with white folks. 

I daresay, without proof, more than many, but most. and that matters because when you say 

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I've never felt that a civil arrangement with white folks should be the end goal of AfroAmericans. 

if most black americans are looking for an end goal as a civil arrangement to whites or all others in the usa, then you are part of a minority in the black community in the usa. 

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America owes a debt to AfroAmericans for its sin of slavery. Reparations have not been paid. 

 

AfroAmericans have not unified, codified and come up with an agenda to collect reparations. That should be our 1st order of business.

Reparations used to be what most black americans wanted, I don't think that is the truth today. I can be wrong. I have no way to prove this. But if I am correct, then the goal of reparations doesn't have enough support in the black community itself.

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Unfortunately, too many AfroAmericans are satisfied with the status quo. So, we're in this holding pattern. 

but remember one thing that is very important , that Black Americans don't say enough. We, Blacks in the USA, put ourselves on this path. Our leaders  in the USA guided us this way, rightly or wrongly. And we all know from the multilogs within the black church leadership at the end of the war between the states, to the thoughts or view between Black soldiers during the commonly called world war one, to the various transcriptions or letters in the nation of islam or the southern black christian leadership conference that black leaders debated on the agenda and rightly or wrongly, the end of the debates ended with civil union side all in the usa over other ideas, including reparations, as the goal for black people in the usa. So, it may be unfortunate, but black people planned this:) this isn't about what power. 

This one took a structure from a relative well known poem, can you figure it out?

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Article VII – The Angry Black Woman - Free at Last!

Sure, outwardly, at times,  I display that of an Angry Black Woman  because society has shit on me one too many times, but I have, finally, learned to lift my head, pick my afro, love my lips, accept my hips, and oil my beautiful black skin so it shimmers in delight while looking society straight in the eye and saying, ‘It’s not me, it’s you!’  

 

Proud to say that I, no longer, own your issues, but rather recognize your obsession with me.   Try, acceptance…I hear love goes a long way!   Free at last - Thank GOD almighty, I am free at last!!

I am an angry black woman

against storms made from scorn

I am an angry black woman

so I will live untorn

Sometimes I drop my head, or

shame a part of myself

But then the love from me, lord!

Revive me from my delf

I took inspiration from your ending quote and used a negro spiritual to derive the structure of this, do you know the spiritual?:)  @Dee Miller

@ProfD  

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No doubt, AfroAmericans have made significant progress since the days of our past leaders.

Well the question is progress to what? Again, the goal matters. One of the problems with many human movements throughout all humanity is people all to often don't see the goal they are reaching for over the journey. Look at Russia. I was a child, but I remember hoopla over the end of the USSR. Later as a teen I read things. As an adult I have seen Russia go through its changes from a distance as an unconcerned observer. But it is a lesson. The russian people who fled russia during the evil soviet years, still haven't returned but supported russians who wanted to make a version of the monarchic days in russia and that is what happened. Yeah, the oppression of the soviets is gone and russia is in a version of the czarist days with an american stylistic visage. But that is what the goal was. What is the progress toward in the black community in the usa?

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We have been on a form of auto-pilot since the last of our leadership was assassinated. 

yes, because the goal hasn't changed. the goal is the same that frederick championed over 150 years ago, peaceful coexistence sides whites in the usa. Yeah, a marcus garvey/fannie lou hamer/malcolm x/shirley chisholm happen but they are all outcast in that something about them leads to a goal different than what frederick douglass and most black leaders: booker t washington/w.e.b. dubois the younger/ the black club women of church/the mlk jr/the nation of islam/ fred hampton/the southern black christian leadership conference/jesse jackson/maxine waters/al sharpton/robert johnson/oprah winfrey/ michael jordan/barrack obama side michelle obama/hakeem jeffries/lebron james/ or similar all lead to peaceful coexistence side whites in the usa. 

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IMO, AfroAmericans still do not have a code or agenda nor any current leadership to champion it.

Yes,the agenda is as it was set at the end of the war between the states, peaceful coexistence between blacks side all in the usa. That demands a code of nonviolence to whites regardless of white activity/participation in white organizations even styming black ones/forgiveness to whites even it isn't warranted/allegiance to the usa. And black people in the usa in majority have done that.

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There are AfroAmerican  grassroots organizations,  churches, NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, etc. 

 

Yet, none of these institutions seem to be interested in dismantling the system of racism white supremacy.

To finalize, they are interested in ending the system of white supremacy through reaching the goal of peaceful multiracial coexistence in the usa. Which as the center of the current global empire has global implications. 

In conclusion

I said in this forum before and I repeat with no hesitancy, I think Frederick Douglass was wrong and his agenda implemented by latter leaders has cost black people in the usa their lives or led to their suffering at the hands of whites with no escape, and influenced the black communities outside the usa negatively. But, the point is the black community in the usa has an agenda, has organizations that follow it with its code. It is a challenge cause it is in spite of what black people in the usa in majority wanted, but that is the situation. And it has its levels or forms of success. 

@ProfD

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1)  AfroAmericans do not have leadership. 

1)All people's have leadership profd, all peoples, the question is how successful is that leadership and humanity proves it is a range, from those who seem to have it all together, who of course do not, to those who seem to have nothing, who of course do not either.

Black Americans have leadership, and I argue, the Black American community in the usa has reflected the goals of many Black American leaders in the past ala frederick douglass or mlk jr.

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2) AfroAmericans do not have a unified infrastructure in place.

2) true, Black Americans don't have a unified structure and I add have not made efforts to make one in the usa at least , which does coincide with the wishes or beliefs of frederick douglass.

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3) Right now, I'm not aware of any strong Black leader(s) of nations who have global influence.

3) true, and I add many leaders in humanity in general are finding their potency limited.

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4)  Every Black nation on the planet is either being exploited by another country or too poor to be self-sufficient.

4)true, though that is most countries in humanity for the record including most white ones. 

So far the only point I oppose is your first one. That is not true. 

Your subpoints

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AfroAmericans have to solve 1 and 2 before we can even take a seat at the table within a Black United Nations.

True, even though said black united nations if it existed would have an influence on all black people globally, and I add I think Black Americans in the usa , in uncontestable majority, want to be part of an internally peaceful or prosperous  while multiracial usa

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3 and 4 suggest that no Black group of people is qualified to control other groups of Black people within a Black United Nations.

True, and I add the best proof of qualifying for the role of controlling group is simply if said group controls, beyond how they are assessed.

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Right now, I do not believe any nation on the planet is a real threat to the system of racism white supremacy. There's no ongoing human activity that could topple it.

I can only say I can concur if by white supremacy , white european supremacy is meant. If not, I oppose the framing of your point. humanity is complicated, always has been. 

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Short of a catastrophic event, the current empire could implode under its own largesse. Similar to the Roman empire. But, they're not going to let that happen.

The roman empire had an implosion but didn't die at that moment. It reorganized. Emperor justinian of nova roma centered on constantinople had reclaimed most of the empire lost in the implosion when the capitol was last centered on the city commonly called rome today. The roman empire died by age and opponents. The roman empire died a city state. Like most empires, the neighbors took a long time but learned from it and then attacked it over the course of many years from all sides. It died by withering not implosion. And the USA unlike the roman empire is more influenced by factors of withering internally while like rome is surrounded by learning opponents.

In conclusion, you stated i miscomprehended your points. from my own comprehension. I didn't, and I only contested three of them. and you answered all my questions. I simply reframed your answers using your own words, which is a paraphrasing but is not mischaracterizing your points. 

@ProfD  I am happy for your answers. 

Based on your words

You think the black community is too far removed to concern itself with its own internal design or structure while it needs to focus on a unity absent an internal structure or design.

Based on your words

You think the current white empire is not able to withstand everything but is only susceptible to , and I rephrase you, an act of god.  Sequentially, you think no human activity can undo the current white empire. 

Thank you for your answers.

haha it is ok ,thank you for your praises.

@Dee Miller

I love collective poetry. I will make a phrase to continue your poetry. It is free verse. 

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My skin - dark as the night – until the lights reveal my flawless hue.  My face -  beautiful as the night sky, present in every episode of life.  My heart -  mysterious as a dark room until you open your heart and let me in.   Like the black night, the black sky and the black room, if you don’t open your mind and acknowledge that I’m not always so angry, and if you don’t open your hearts and accept me for the beautiful mess that I am,  you will continue to miss out on the essence of me and what we can be, together.  Dark as the night, beautiful as the night sky, and mysterious as a dark room -   not always an Angry Black Woman.  

The glance from her eyes, but did you see the worry from her brows.

The purse from her lips, but did you hear the joy in her vestibule.

The hum from her chest, but did you feel the love from her soul.

What you remember or note or foretell may be the scorching light from anger.

But if you dare risk the ignorant darkness, you will find your partner in life, was or is or will be happily there.
 

@ProfD

my question didn't undercut leadership or unity. My question ask about the design and structure of leadership and unity and you said that shouldn't be a concern? 

So you are not suggesting the modern white empire is an exception so the length of their empire then isn't a concern. 

@ProfD yes, one white group controls other white groups and they all accept that control as pertains to non whites. so which black group is going to control the other black groups then? That is the question. 

This forum alone proves black people as no human community can truly come together en masse as equals. This forum plus simple black history proves black people can unite globally, we did it already before, but when the next time happens, it will need one or a few to manage the whole as in the past. But, you are very sure about white power. Based on what you said white folks will do, should black people simply be penitent to whites? Any option displaying whites will fail you didn't mention. 

An old saying exist, war is never a game. I do not know the truth, i am not in the halls of power in humanity. But I will say this, that smokescreen you refer to is red with blood. 

true, non white europeans have spent the last two to five centuries being killed or dominated by white europeans. Survivors in such a scenario are not the native americans who fought the colonists and was shot, the blacks who jumped off the boats and tried to swim back, the asians who revolted  by hand against arms. But history proves again, all empires fall, no exceptions exist. Are you suggesting the modern white empire in humanity is an exception?

@ProfD 

the question is,  were law enforcement organizations in majority, in general , started to protect and serve citizens? The answer is no in my view.

I can't speak for every single law enforcement agency. But, the LAPD, the chicago police department, the texas rangers, the canadian mounties, the us marshalls, all were started by government officials looking to gain votes, manipulate populaces and gave the ones they chose an avenue to profit from various illegal or criminals activities safe from accusal or prosecution based on their badge.  

If Law enforcement agencies were born militarized or criminal and live militarized or criminal then what is the real problem when they act criminal? The real problem isn't them. We all know they are criminal. The problem is those who are not law enforcers, suggesting/wanting/desiring law enforcers not to be criminal or illegal actors. 

How many black people say one of the following:

• Most cops are good
• It is only a few bad cops
• My relative is a cop and isn't bad
• law enforcement is tough, people don't comprehend the life
• People need to learn how to interact to cops
• The training of cops is the problem
• cops should protect of help the people

Those phrases and similar phrases to them are the problem. Said phrases are the problem. If non law enforcers just accept the true nature of law enforcement in the usa, then it isn't news anymore. They shot some one in the back? yeah ok. They chocked someone till they couldn't breath? yeah ok. The clans of the deceased take the government to court and the government pay out. No marches needed. No big news. A dirty organization acted dirty. ok. The need for people, especially black people who are not law enforcers to speak of law enforcements and needing to be something they are not, i argue is the problem. 

@ProfD 

Well, Black Americans include Black people in the american continent which is from canada to argentina so black jamaicans who are rastafarian at odds with black jamaicans who are not is part of the course so to speak. but in my travels to africa, i find binds are weak as well. My personal experience is in north western africa, but the hutu or tutsi in rwanda are the most public example. 

And to be honest, whites are no better. Brexit wasn't about people of color, white people of england didn't want want people of eastern europe and now the white people of poland and nearby countries are trying to stop white ukranians from entering their countries. 

So it seems the lack unity is more a human reality  than a problem.  HEll, even white jews in nyc oppose the commonly called conservative white jews in nyc. So, I argue unity isn't the problem between the black majority and the black minorities as much as poor leadership or planning or coexistence. Maybe the problem isn't that the black minorities need to be united with the black majorities but maybe they need a better way of coexisting than simple crude unity , which is not present in humanity historically. 

If white unity had that power, why are the irish still at it with the english. 

@ProfD

The beginning of your prose relates to what I feel are law enforcements biggest problem, people referring to them in terms of supposed things or suggesting they were once better. That is the problem with law enforcement, that prose is a lie. 

History has value when you look at any organization for one key point, history will show an organizations truth, and the history of the NYPD isn't what you state. 

The NYPD wasn't started to serve or protect citizens. the NYPD was started because Boss Tweed wanted the irish vote and he knew the best way to get any communities vote is to give them industry. 

He started the NYPD grabbing irish people you will call thugs or criminals off the street and gave them a badge, it is that simple. 

So when you say at some point they became militarized, if by they you mean the NYPD , you are wrong. the NYPD were always militarized. The irish community in NYC was terrorized by the NYPD first and foremost cause the irish thugs now had a badge and the mayors protections. 

But the mayor, tweed, created the nypd , do you comprehend. 

Your words suggest the NYPD for example, should be protecting or serving, wasn't an overseer in the past. that is not true. 

The NYPD was started to make a powerful growing voting block in an ever growing city that can be used by potential or current officials to gain or maintain power. 

The NYPD is a legalized gang, who profit off of many things.

The NYPD also serve a necessary function for a city of individuals who don't have strong communal affiliations in an extremely multiracial city, by instilling fear in the populace, the very condensed populace not to break the law. 

The NYPD is needed, but like all other law enforcement agencies, at their core they have nothing to do with the common good. They are agencies for government profit/government control whose members achieve various levels of illegal or criminal wealth.

I quote @Rodney campbell concerning Bob Marley in italics.

I never could embrace his leaf smoking cultural habits. Which became propagandized as being somehow a Jamaican normal behaviour.

Which. At that TIME it was not.

I respected his position as a spearhead for the black people.

I respected his outright denouncement of the racial negativity.

But thanks to propaganda the documentaries that focus on those aspects are few and far apart.

Instead we have generations of leaf inhalers who have been convinced they are contributing to the black experience by being high. Like that is somehow a black thing.

I was not interested in doing anything but honoring bob marley on his birthday. But now that it is past, Rodney's thoughts to me, lead to a very valuable issue in the Black community globally, which is not present straightly in his prose. And that is the issue of minority communities in the black community. 

I am not rastafarian. To be blunt, I think Ras Tafari , or duke Tafari, more commonly known by his appointed name, Haille Sellasie made tremendous errors as king of ethiopia. And my views towards ethiopia like haiti are particular. For anyone black in humanity who looks for inspiration based on black achievement in total opposition to non blacks, then haiti/ethiopia/karnataka are the rare examples of black achievement before the 1960s that is not within a white fold.<No black achievements post 1960 exist outside a white fold> So ethiopia is beyond haille selassie, and I don't think he earned the praise the ras tafarians gave him, though I think he should be praised for some things. 

But gardless what anyone black thinks of the ras tafarians in jamaica or the greater caribbean or greater still american continent the rastafarians are a minority community in the black community, and in Black history month I think one of the problems with the black community globally , while definitely in the USA is the relationship the black majority has to black minorities.

The gullah of the carolinas /the creoles of louisiana/the rastafarians of jamaica are not the majority in the black community in those places but they each with other similars tend to have a cultural relationship that can be at odds with the majority in the black community about them. To be blunt, the gullah's language is at odds with the culture of the majority in the black community who are zealous anglophiles. The creoles unique cultural makeup , that fusion of poly african/french catholic/ anglo protestant doesn't fit the very christian very statian culture of the majority in the black community. The rastafarians are in the same scenario. Most jamaicans in the past and many jamaicans now are anglophiles. I know a number of jamaican families. the women's hair is straight, they try to speak english with a slight english accent, and they are very much in the rigid black church mold. Not all , but many. 

I think Rodney's point leads to a deeper issue in the black community globally or in parts and that is how black majorities handle black minorities. In my experience , many black people who are part of a majority tend to have a negative view toward black minorities. And the reason why is obvious. All minorities, like the white jew in the white community, have to deal with the fact that the majority doesn't care for your heritage or culture. WHich is obvious why, it is different. But, the black majority has a tendency to want to universalize in the black community whereas whites in the usa at least have a more white union appeal in modernity, I don't think black people in the usa at least, are as interested in a pan black approach.

The full quote from Rodney Campbell is at the following forum post

A simple question , you can relate it to any law enforcement agency.

I only repeat what law enforcement agencies need is someone to say they are needed while also corrupt. The problem with law enforcement agencies is too many wish to make them out to be honor guards or mythical comraderies when they are simply havens for mostly bullies or reared wrong or financially proud in the worst sense people who serve a necessary function when they are not killing, maiming, spitting, clubbing, violating, cheating, stealing.. or all the other many crimes or illegalities or negatives they are free from being penalized from including not incarcerating or giving testimony to other law enforcers when they act illegally or criminally which is called aiding or abetting, 

if you want to access the 590 page assement fo the nypd in 2020 from the ccrb then use the following link?

https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2240&type=status

Open Pulpit for praise

@Pioneer1 well throughout humanity the cyclical moment called new year isn't universal in definition. The reason why Julian Calendar new year date is celebrated throughout humanity isn't because all view it as a new year, but the popularity of new year's festivities, which bring in money to be honest, is present. 

The christian calendar originally didn't have easter but the people's they wanted to join all had easter so they made an easter celebration and the jehovah's witness population shifts prove that being adamant against majority cultural elements is not easy and tends to lead to people leaving the minority culture. 

@Pioneer1it seems of all the films the biggest distances in rankings occur with crooklyn side four little girls based on the both our commentaries. 

It is interesting cause crooklyn was based on a concept by spike lee's sister that she pitched to him. and four little girls which I place at number 1 is a straight documentary. 

of the three rankings, i am the only who mentions four little girls and two , you or I , place crooklyn higher in standing than the articled reviewer....

The question is why do those films have the biggest ranking gaps between ranking orders? 

@Troy any ideas. I imagine this connects to the peele post earlier in some way

The following is my thoughts to Elliot SMith's ranking of spike lee films

interesting that the first movie spike lee didn't appear or use his artistic norms was get on the bus. I have many feelings about the million man march not appropriate for her.

Awww crooklyn or school daze got less than chi-raq awwww I oppose that.

Mo better blues , da 5 bloods ok

clockers is one of his most common appearing films

he got game ahhh, is it denzel

summer of sam is better than crooklyn aww

jungle fever , another provocative movie but is it really better than the one's before? 

she's gotta have it, his first film, that is always a complex thing

Inside man, the criminal caper part was nice, good ensemble

Bamboozled is five, no way, that movie I do not care for and it isn't the blackface alone, it is deeper than that, the story is poor for me. I get the message lee wants to convey but i think he covneys it poorly or rudely

black klannsman ahhh

I never saw 25th hour

again, denzel washington or his son is on this list combined 4 times. MAlcolm X 

Do the right thing ahhh no four little girls in here. ahhh no way this is trash. For me, four little girls is his best film. Most of his films I don't care for how he tells the story. Easy for a writer to say that and one who has never directed a film, but no I think a number of films I would replace and do the right thing, no way
 

IN CONCLUSION

Spike Lee makes obvious messages but the problem I have is his framework. I rarely find i care for it. I am one who is always willing to state flaws or critique in a negative tone in prose concerning the black community but in fiction, I dislike Black creators having a majority negative tone, which i find spike lee does in general. And to be blunt, i think he comprehends the black or white viewing market in the usa. most whites in the usa seem to  love to see black struggle, black difficulty. and most Blacks  in the usa seem to like it as well. Power/Empire are clear examples of my point.

link 

https://ew.com/movies/best-spike-lee-movies-ranked/

@Pioneer1yes it is. 

Well odoya comes from the yoruba language so in that way, it has that continental linguistical bridge like swahili inspired kwanzaa's days.