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@ProfD ok, well no minority in any country has ever been in human history equipped, prepared, encouraged. well black people in the minority anywhere as any minority anywhere are defenseless. which black folks to which muslims? Are you talking about blacks who live in the jungles of northern south america, descended from blacks who killed to get out of slavery, rejecting the white world outside? or are you relating them to muslims in europe who went to oxford and have white christian german wives or girlfriends working for the world bank and united nations? Some Blacks folks are willing to die fighting imperialism, most are not. Many muslims are willing to sell out to the christian empires, but not all. Remember, the IRA, was only a few hundred people. Most irish people in ireland weren't willing to die fighting imperialism. Those that did made one hell of a statement. The question is how organized are the blacks willing to die fighting imperialism among themselves, not in connection to other blacks or non blacks. Most black homes preach nonviolence so it makes sense nonviolence is predominant. I wish I could say I was certain this was true. It is no shame to be accused of lying when it is the truth. Opinion means an idea, but the opinion is fact in hindsight thus the opinion is a lie until proven elsewise. I see, more and more white people receive all the benefits of being white, the majority, in the usa . Yeah , the black leadership definitely slapped themselves, considering DEI is going the way of the Civil Rights Act oo 1963.Why did Black Leadership try the same thing ?

@ProfD i think all humans being learn but the question is what do they learn? I think in our village, we often don't comprehend what each other has learned or worse, we want to change what each other has learned. yes, plus Black folks in the usa do not live in isolation, never been isolated, never been segregated. Black people in large parts of the caribbean or africa or some parts of south america or asia live in black countries. the usa isn't a black country, and thus, defending ourselves in the usa has always come with opposition that is historically insurmountable. Defending a populace has militaristic realities. This is why white jews wanted to make israel, all the money in the world, infrasturcture building, or financial planning, didn't save them from the white christian majority in germany burning and hacking and killing once inspired. No minority is ever safe from the majority in any government in human history. Hell 25% of jews in usa were so worried about being exposed in the usa, they didn't want the usa to accept jews from europe. So... you are correct, but please say it all. Your words seem to suggest a minority populace can actually defend itself against a majority, non have ever in humanity, eventually they fall. Might as well build their own infrastructure there and support it? When I first read those words I admit I felt you had not read anything I wrote, but I comprehend, this is your positivity thing. Ok, White asians are white. When NEw York was new amsterdam, black people were legally enslaved and white asians were allowed to own businesses... It isn't comparative. I accept your positivity, but incomparisons are not financially honest. Well.. this is one of those issues where the truth is up for grabs. You suggest I am lying. and I comprehend that with no malice. I will say, only hindsight will truly prove who is correct in their assessment. I am not speaking about non blacks attacking DEI, I am speaking about whites: women/asians/lgbtq+ having opportunities + advantages blacks didn't or don't have regardless of the civil rights act or DEI that makes the financial relationship they have to such programs different than Black people. To restate, Black people needed the civil rights act/ DEI , but white women/ white asians like the chinese/white jews or muslims/ white latinos didn't need the civil rights act or DEI. Those two legislations helped them but more in getting the main body of whites to embrace them more while killing or harming those programs that blacks needed.

@ProfD can you name one example? I concur that financial investment , whether one fails or succeeds is not assessing history. The former is at its root an act of trade, the latter at its root is a scholarly act. The problem is the use of assessing history in being honest about financial conditions. Trade by default is about a relation of actions. But all actions have precedent, all actions have history. And most importantly to finance, the sequence of actions from the past to today show the ineffective aspects to all actions. For example, many black people talk of Black Tulsa's massacre but what is the financial lesson? What are the facts? Mostly white city, Tulsa in this case Black minority in said city Black minority is financially acting to all the aspects you champion ProfD , those blacks : pooled their pennies/owned property[their homes+businesses]/dollars circulated in black tulsa more than most white places in the usa/they didn't have an allegiance to either party[the community advocates were about aiding their community regardless of party] Black minority in city had all their wealth burned or taken , with the aid of the white state in the union[Oklahoma], plus the aid of the white federal government of the usa. So the lesson is in the ineffectiveness of all the financial actions you suggest when it comes to the health of a black minority populace in a white city. In the year 2025 does not the white city of NEw York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami do similar to the white city of Tulsa? yes. so case closed. If you are black in a white city, then why invest in the city indirectly through investing in the black minority? No one can provide one example of black investment in minority in a white city that wasn't unraveled by white governmental power as a majority. Finance didn't have a role to play, that is what history proves in this case. I am willing to learn of an example, be proven wrong. But I don't know of one. When you say "other groups" Are you suggesting white women/white jews/white latinos/white asians/white muslims/white lesbians/white gays? Diversity, Equity, Inclusion didn't give them benefits. The response to DEI by white male hetero christians of european descent benefited said other whites; said response was to kill DEI's aid to blacks and embrace other white groups. White women + white jews for me didn't benefit from the civil rights act cause they already were benefitting as whites in the usa before the act, they benefited from white male response to hinder/kill the civil rights act of 1965 while embracing other whites more. For me, and I comprehend how rare a view I have in the black populace in the usa, the white minorities or white women don't benefit from DEI or the Civil Rights Act. They benefit from the destruction of said acts. What you call the smoke is the benefit.

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@ProfD well yes, everyone is entitled to their own feelings but t the issue of financial activity, if a person doesn't feel positive about a place, they will not want to invest in said place. Well I don't invest in something I think negatively about. And I am 100% certain I am not alone in that. So if I sense an investment connects to a place I dislike or hate I will not invest in it and I think I am not alone. Interesting, i thought the best thing a tribe can do for another tribe in the village with an aspect that is elementally oppose is to wish them well, or let them be. Why prosyletize? how do we define freedom? The Black Republican tribe in the usa since the 1960s to modernity has been presenting what they think is a better offer to all other tribes. In my mind it is impossible for all tribes in the black populace of the usa to act analagous, the truth. So, if all tribes are being honest, why preach to each other? In modernity, currently, I can't think of a lying leader in humanity who has made the lives of the masses that follow them better. I think lying leaders succeed when people are used to impotent leaders so the people , correctly, give up on expecting positive quality leadership and allow the one who talks up the passions most , even if it is based on lies. Michelle Obama once said , when they go low we go high, a lie in implication. Again, NYC is full of people usually non black who commit illegalities or crimes every day for financial profit, they are going low. How is going high a balancer or empowering action, financially? If my neighbor is making money criminally + illegally absent penalty, I am not going to make more than them legally or civilly. NYC is proof of that fact every day. When they go low we go lower is the truth. You want to financially succeed you have to go lower. You may not want to hear history Profd but history proves that infinite times. Black DOSers love the moral high ground passion. Al Sharpton had a National Action Network speech this january , talking about the need to galvanize for the DEI. And that was a lie in procedure. The DEI movement failed and something new must be tried is the truth. The try again heritage in the black populace in the usa is a failure, that is the truth. and again Black DOSers love the moral high ground nonviolent passion.

@ProfD just for the record I never said black people in prison weren't taking responsibility or accepting consequence. I am saying they are accepting consequence while have a dislike of the usa to the core that is warranted, you think is dysfunctional. Well, I will say that the modern black populace in the usa is wealthier than ever before and has a growth arc so overall , the financial activities of blacks, all tribes is getting better. For it to be faster most blacks have to love the usa and most blacks don't. Yeah, black leadership hasn't recovered well from all the murders in the 1900s. I will say when each tribe admits their reality, it will display some tribes want a merger with the nonblack that will never allow a freedom from non blacks. I think a truthful leadership right now in each tribe is the most functional need. Cause too many tribes have leaders who lie.

@ProfD I don't know the exact number, but I know it is more than some countries per year. And as I have said, I concur that Black DOSers specifically can invest more. I concur to that. I think we differ on the scale in which black people can invest as well as well the things we should invest in. I don't know where you live, nor am I asking, but I can speak for NYC, which has the largest black community in any city in the usa. Most people in NYC are struggling to pay rent month to month, when i say people i mean Black + Non Black , so I don't know how much can be invested per capita/per head. Ignorance I concur to you 100% , we need to know more about financial investment individually or as groups. But those other two claims, of self defeatism or victim mentality, when a black man is in prison for selling marijuna while it is now legal, is his negative tone self defeatism , victim mentality, or the truth? I do concur that black individuals or groups in the usa can dwell on negativity, extremely at times. But, has not the Black experience in the USA been negative? At least in my view, it has always been negative, always or mostly. Yes, some black people do have positive stories, happy stories. I can think on myself , my upbringing was full of joy, even some opportunity. But, just because I had my rearing or have my life in the usa,which is positive, doesn't mean the majority of black people who are negative are being self defeating or victim mentalist, they are being honest. They like their forebears are in a country that has never been a friend and they don't feel inspired Profd. Yeah, they don't feel inspired. Black people I know offline talk of self defeatigm or victim mentality to the larger black populace and I tell them they are wrong. Again, FRederick Douglass made your point circa one hundred and fifty years ago. and Black people booed him correctly. Yes, Frederick Douglass , formerly enslaved, bought into the USA, like yourself Profd, like many other blacks from that time till now but most Blacks haven't bought into the USA and that is warranted negativity. Yes, it is negative, but it isn't self defeatism or victim mentality, it is a warranted. Someone offline once asked me, the key question, shouldn't a black person in the usa be positively engaged in the usa for themselves? and I answered I can't think of why that should be true. I can accept the choice, I know many black people offline who are doing positive things. Doing as you will respect Profd. I even argue I am one of those people doing positive things. But, I don't think when a black DOSer has quit in the usa, while negative, it isn't unwarranted, it is part of the Black DOSer tradition. well yeah and so has the entire global sports industry, all in humanity . But my point was the environment. You talk of investment but the average musician or athlete has a horde of agents around them, mostly non black WHILE some black, who are leeches and in everything they do support leech behavior. It may seem easy to escape that but it isn't. That is why I do like "He Got Game" by Spike Lee, in terms of showing youth entertainment. It is more than white supremacy, it is one word, slavery. All these people looking to own you and slavery is a very inviting culture in fiscal capitalism cause fiscal capitalism is never better than when you have a slave. resources... well that is the trick isn't it, fights over resources was the entire point of the commonly called world wars or cold war whom I call the three phases of the white european imperial wars. Resources... in all earnest, is a discussion that most involve talk of war and black DOSers definitely don't have that in them. The centuries of the enslavements to whites in the european colonies plus the usa after have made that a hard thing, honestly. well..never enslaved again... let me tell you, all things happen again, the white jew will be slaughtered again, blacks will be shackled again... but blacks will also be rulers of all again, nature + history prove, all things come again, they do, you can argue the usa is the return of the roman empire, no not exactly the same, nothing ever is, but yet similar. I am 100% certain black people in the future will have a positive time most black people today can't believe. I have to add a comfort black people themselves wanted. Again, the history of the DOS community is clear, many of our leaders or people when the war between the states ended, preached and guided us into being comfortable as part of embracing the usa. Your word suggest a trick. No, black people were not tricked, black leaders made a choice Profd. The history is there, the black churches voted on what to do during reconstruction when black women were being burned alive by whites. They chose non violence. this is nonviolence. The goal of the nonviolent isn't for a black community that is self sufficient and infrastructured and defending itself, which is why it had and has opponents in the black leadership who wanted and want self sufficiency or infrastructure or defense. The goal of the nonviolent is for a black community that is seamlessly integrated into the non black. Which has been achieved mostly. Can not black individuals become billionaires in the usa? yes Can not black individuals become president of the usa? yes Can not black individuals mate and frolic with the non black in the usa? yes Those questions were the goal of the nonviolent movement from frederick douglass through MLK jr to Obama. Remember, Frederick Douglass opposed the exodusters whose goal was to have land ownership as the corner stone of self sufficiency + infrastructure development. And his reasons was the exodusters goals allowed for whites to be more negative to the black individual who isn't an exoduster and may be among whites mostly in the usa. MLK jr opposed the panthers , who wanted to use the threat of violence and violence if need be to protect black people from white violence. And his reasons was the panthers goals led to an endangerment to black individuals who are not armed or can't defend themselves as well as an inevitability to the fracturing of the usa, which in his mind like douglass before or obama after has a potential to be a human country that should be ventured to by all. Obama opposes Black legislative agendas, which have never occured in the usa and would have the effect of galvanizing black peoples engagement in government. And his reasons was it again, broke the potential of the usa. you say, black folks have gotten comfortable as if our leaders didn't guide us to this situation purposefully. yes I don't concur to them but it isn't a white trick, it is an internal black issue.

@ProfD we do need to invest more in our community. We concur 100% there.

@ProfD Nothing in terms of black infrastructure in the usa, but, the why is key. the past matters and the past isnt' 1865 the past is the 1980s. when nyc for example placed how many black people in prison, made a small business administration of nyc that doesn't have opportunities for convicts or exconvicts. NYC has carver , a black owned bank, but I only know one black person who received a loan from them and they have an very above average portfolio. Again, how can the black man put in prison in 1985 ever start a business, unless someone literally gives them money outside the system? And wealthy blacks in nyc, for which there are many , and growing in percentage, don't seem to have time to spend any money helping the many black men serving time as we speak for marijuana selling, which of course is legal now in nyc. I don't deny that it will be nice if black dollars circulate more in the black community , But the reason why they don't isn't black laziness. well, you are not the first black person to speak to me concerning this topic and I told them offline what I will now tell you online.... the only people who are comparable to Black DOSers is the First Peoples of the Americas aka the Native American. Cause all the other people that I have heard black people offline mention who invest and don't spend all have a financial history of allowance black DOSers don't have. White Asians/Chinese, allowed to own businesses when DOSers were not, have a foreign country that DOSers do not. White Europeans.. have been able to take everything by gunpoint which DOSers can not, white jews, a very small populace which DOSers are not plus they have been embedded into the financial backbone of the global white market as operators not commodities whereas DOSers were commodities. I do comprehend your argument profd, it is an old one from the 1800s in the black populace in the usa, it is not something new, but the failure of black investment into the black community by the black financially common people isn't from their own actions. Yes 2009 to 2025 is sixteen years but your belief in finance is such you think sixteen years can undo the damage of centuries, and against fellow groups in the usa, barring the first peoples who were allowed to gain or lose multiple fortunes in that same time ? But, your correct, black consumers can do better with investing into the black populace in the usa. yeah and the owner of Nike was able to get financial assistance, black farm owners in the usa still can't get loans from the bank even after their miraculous ability to have retained land or retained a position as a landowning clan from the 1800s in many cases. I comprehend you Profd. But, I will argue I don't see how the usa will make it happen. I know black people from the continent have done some things but they have leverage outside the usa, which dosers don't have. I just don't see how DOSers fit these models of other groups: whites/white asians/white jews/black people from the continent/caribbean. we either have too many people , don't have an external community outside the usa, or have a well earned disheartened status to enthusiasm in a land that has been, terrible for us. the usa experience shouldn't make a black dosers enthused about the usa, in all earnest. and most importantly, i don't think it does. Well I will say one thing to that , remember when Ray Allen hired his own lawyer, instead of using an agent. In my home me and my blood relatives figured all black athletes should do that, but you see, that didn't become common. Why? agents in the sport/entertainment world are many, usually white, and are very toxic. You see it with female athletes of all phenotypes. So... It is beyond Nike, it is the culture of slavery in sports+ entertainment. The agent is the slaver. the athlete/musicians is the enslaved. but do they need a blueprint? A blueprint suggest they need a plan that can lead to something . why not risk into the unknown?

@ProfD In the translation he suggest passionate not necessarily smarter. That is interesting that you used the word smarter. I didn't gather he suggested the students were smarter or more knowledgeable. It seemed he suggested passionate and engaged. I see your angle but to me, I think the variant style in which the deepseek owner hired shows a quality black businesses owners in the usa, black people with money in the usa, black people who consistently say they have the answers that the majority of black people don't heed/listen to/know in the usa, Lack. The Black One percent has problems historically and they are exposed for me.

@ProfD I know all about Black consumer spending. But consumer spending doesn't yield to infrastructure growth. I will give as an example the white consumer spending in the usa. I know you have a different assessment to financial history in the usa than me, so i comprehend that some of my points don't add up for you. But for me... for me, white consumer's didn't build the infrastructure of the white populace in the usa. I can take NYC as the best example. I am 100% certain Rich whites built the entire city. Poor whites/working whites didn't do a damn thing. The public transit, the libraries, the schools, none of that is from white consumers in NYC, Profd, you think white consumer spending is why colombia and nyu exist? Now if you are arguing that Black Consumerism in the usa can be used to build an infrastructure to the black populace in the usa, I will say that it can. But, I challenge anyone to provide a comparative example that blacks can mirror. Whites in the usa have always had military power black people never had and isn't easy to get enslaved, whites were shipped to the usa by their cousins in europe and were allowed to annihilate first peoples of the americas. White jews are a minority, a far smaller populace, compared to blacks and have never been denied financial opportunity aside other whites in the usa, so you can't compare blacks to white jews. Asians are another historically very minor populace , far smaller than the black populace, and have always been allowed financial opportunity unlike blacks. The thing about black dosers is no one is like us, we don't have a comparative group in humanity. The details are not the same, and the details matter. So, even though USA financial history shows no groups consumer dollars built their infrastructure, if blacks in the usa are to build an infrastructure through consumer spending, i challenge anyone to show another community in a comparative situation anywhere on earth , that has done it? If you can't provide a group in a comparative situation to Black DOSers anywhere in human history that have used their consumer dollars to build their infrastructure then ... what is the thing never before done in humanity that can get it to work? I will not negate the possibility but lets honest about its framing.

@Pioneer1 you are a fellow male:) hit the circle you like:) look at the gif Based on your answer, you would click the circle left of SOME BLACK MOST NON BLACK And that is ok, you are not the first black person i heard who said they would invest the least in the black community and I don't think it is a problem or a negative. My only issue is when black people who have millions or more don't invest most in the black community but then demand working black people who don't even have hundreds of thousands invest all of there money in the black community. In fiscal capitalism it is always the wealthiest who are relied upon, in all communities, not the fiscal poor.

@ProfD wow! is that true Profd? wow! I will have to spend an edition of the economic corner figuring out how to research where the black church invest, this is a great point, thank you Profd well done.

@ProfD well done, you skipped through the corner:) to be honest, that is part of why i shared the articles in this economic corner as i did, the owner of deepseek said a lot in all earnest about why he started the firm which was for intelllecutal curiosity, to be honest, it is a scholarly endeavor, Please read it yourself, all artlcles are cited, if you want a better translation, but he made his money using computer programs to forecast financial activity, but this project was not about financial gain and he rejects the idea that alot of this ai stuff is financially profitable, i do wonder what you and any others in this forum who read the articles, especailly the one with his quotes, think about his positions toward hiring/investing/ and more.