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@Pioneer1 Thank you very much, for offering me respect, my brother. @Pioneer1 You see this statement you made here starts out as "The fact is..." and this is a problem because 'facts' are not based on any of us and our beliefs, but it is based on TRUTH, whether or not it really did happen or not. So, we can choose to believe in certain concepts or happenings or we can NOT believe, but that doesn't make it 'true or false' though. if certain historical subjects did really happen, and we choose not to believe, then the fact still stands that it 'really did happen'. So therefore, there are a lot of proofs that go way beyond 1000 years ago that has been confirmed, whether or not we choose to believe is a matter of choice. There are a lot of proven happenings on this earth beyond even 5000 years ago, however, we may or may not choose to believe in this. But, if we are not accepting TRUTHS, then my question would be, will the rejection and ignorance of TRUTH harm us in certain ways? And, my answer would be yes absolutely. I believe that if we, especially Black AfroAmericans choose to reject a lot of history about Black African oppression thousands of years ago, and the process of how we keep becoming suppressed under White Supremacy, and do not consider that there is a pattern here, of history repeating itself, then we will not be able to see solid solutions to become free from this wicked cycle that we continue to be caught up within. @Pioneer1 I am here now, and I am living, I am offering my experiences of studying under a discipline. I have had the opportunity to look in microscopes and see prepared slides, and slide that I have had to prepare myself of cells, cells undergoing meiosis, and mitosis, plant cells, animals cells that I prepared myslef. I have studied the anatomy of certain specimens, and etc. I am sharing my research here. I can see the depictions of Egyptians in ancient times and, because of knowing the process of confirmation, I can see certain people today and make contrast and comparisons and I tell you, that yes, human life does go beyond 6000 years for certain reasons based on this kind of research. Ancient script are difficult to decipher due to deliberate acts to confuse, but by and by, hopefully, this kind of confusion will be sorted out. But it is going to take some time though. I do respect you sticking to your belief in not continuing to discuss what you choose not to. And I appreciate your input though, very much.

What!? Let me see here, if the ancient governments who existed contemporary to the Hebrews and all scripts from all of these systems agree to specific events, then this is one process of measuring time. The Egyptian system had specific CALENDARS and they measure time accurately based on fixed points. But because different systems used different methods, there is a comparison and contrasting of various 'timelines' and this is how time is marked and confirmed. The timelines contained to date events contained in the Bible is based on these scientific marks and by recording events from other contemporary governments is the GLOBAL WORLD marked. This is why in colleges across the world, the PENTATUCH is regarded as a valid source more than any other ancient book! I learned this in college! This is brought in many college courses, such as, HUMANITIES, and WESTERN CIV courses and etc.! LOL! No, again, you learn this in college, in that the Koran and other books in India and China, have confirmed the records contained in the Pentatuch, and the Egyptian records, about many events recorded in the PENTATUCH were written in the script the Egyptians usedand the type of 'PAPYRUS' used at that time of the life of Moses during the 18th Dynasty are authentic. And no, most western civilization misdate the events of Moses to occur during the 1400s bc and to be during the 19th Dynasty. This is wrong and can be proven due to many other publications in that the western civilization deliberately misdated the events of the Hebrews and thier being expelled from Egypt way before the time of RAMESES II. It is not an estimate, because the Egyptian records are detailed and agree with the Pentatuch exactly.

I don't think so, regarding CYRUS. Cyrus ordered the construction of the Second Temple, but he died beofe it was completed. Then, Darius-the-Mede ruled over Babylon, and checked and found that Cyrus had made this decree. So, Darius then completely ignored the decree of his father XERXES, the king of kings over all the Satraps. Darius set up the Jews and gave them support to journey back down to Jerusalem to complet the temple. But, as far as Ezra living during and after the fall of Babylon-Chaldea, you may be right. But Cyrus was dead by the time they conflicted with Xerxes, the king of kings. @Pioneer1 That may be so about people not believing in the Great World Flood, but that doesn't mean that it was not recorded during the time of the 18th and 19th Dynastic period in Egypt and during the time of GREATER BABYLON and the Epic of Gilgamesh even hundreds of years before 1500s BC. The Epic of Gilgamesh was recorded like before 2000s BC and used another type of script in ancient Syria. The script of those times were based off of Ugarit culture and the LInear B script of the Crete Minoans and ultimately the Cuneiform script of GREATER BABYLON. They have recored this 'Flood' story too.

@Pioneer1 All human record keeping is not infalliable if it can be confirmed by a fixed point. That is one of the basis of understanding a 'civilization' versus a primitive existence. SCRIPT. Script is confirmed based upon a chronological and fixed point in time and science. As a Biology major, one of the first processed to understand how to confirm theories is THE SCIENTIFIC PROCESS. If theories are repeatable, then it becomes factual. Some theories remain just that Theories, because they cannot be proven by repetition. So human record keeping is factual in many regards. You may not like what you read or the authorship, but facts can be a proven fact based on confirmation too. More than one source have recorded about the life of Julius Caesar and Augustus, therefore, this would be factual. The PENTATUCH is part of the first books of the Koran and other sources document it in other civilizations with script, therefore it is factual that it was written during the time of the 'end of the 18th Dynasty'. The LIves of the Egyptians are sourced by other civilizations contemporary to the 18th and 19th dynasty, therefore, and contain the records about Moses the Hebrew, therefore, and the script dated of that time period has also been confirmed, the scroll technology of that time period was different from the time period of EZRA. No, you said that it was probably Ezra or someone from Babylon that wrote the PENTATUCH. There is a time difference of about 1000 years between the two! LOL! @Pioneer1Many people cannot understand writing styles such as 'the Cantebarry Tales' and therefore, it becomes a college level course in which requires a higher discipline to study! If the average person cannot under how the different authors of ancient script was written completely unless they study under a college, then certainily SOLOMON'S WRITINGS would not easily be understood! The man is brilliant! Just as the other Levites in their colleges agreed! Solomon used SCIENCE to write this book SONGS OF SOLOMON!!!!!!! @Pioneer1 Solomon was ' A KING'! He was well skilled and educated. This book contained is in the Books of the Bible and is also defined as THE GREATEST of all books. It's a small book but packed with a huge amount of material that spans thousands of years of history. I would love to give the break down on this incredible book, but it would take awhile. At any rate, I will try to dialogue with you a little, although, you jumped around alot. First of all, the book is defined too, as a 'song' meaning it contains 'verses' that are song throughout the book and it regards A SPECIFIC THEME. In this book, Solomon is writing about a specific MAIDEN that he did eventually marry. He defines this maiden as being very, very, black skinned, and furthermore, he is using science to do this. Most people are not 'true black' but just very dark skinned and may appear to be black, but there are some people, even today, that are 'scientifically black skinned. This is what Solomon is defining. Solomon wrote this book when he was old. He wrote about how the daughters of Israel adored him. I read this book, and OMG, I am like, God! Please bring him back! LOL. MOST people actually believe the book is about just this 'girl' and NOT Solomon, but what Solomon does is connects himself to this girl, and states that he is 'A TWIN' to her, in that he came from the very same MATERNAL source as she did. He not only is speaking about his mother 'BATHSHEBA' but about the very origins of all ISRAEL, stemming from Black origins. He connects himself to her in so many other ways and uses the science of many things in this book. I understand why you say this now, however, the PENTATUCH, was proven to be around long before EZRA's lifetime and verified through scrolls found in caves and byway of other points brought out even today. The Kings of Israel and the Jews who lived long before Ezra, also had the 'pentatuch' in their libraries. So, after their downfall, Nebuchadnezzar took the Jews scrolls and housed them in his libraries. He and other Chaldeans believed in SCRIPT obviously, because they were the original masters of script way back in time, even before Abraham's lifetime. So therefore, translations came about byway of Jews like DANIEL, who the Chaldean king put into his court, the well educated Jews. The time span of the MEDO-PERSIANS and the CHALDEANS of Neo-Babylon did overlap, but the Chaldeans Empire lasted for over a hundred years. Today, the western world attempts to place the Persians over the translations, and this is wrong.

THICK DARKNESS

RED MOON & BLACK FRIDAY~ Cultural Festival~ Cultural Origins SEPTEMBER 11 ANNUAL NEW YEAR FESTIVAL I suppose because of an upcoming New Year Festival in a few days, it could be a good opportunity to show research about certain holidays observed over here in America that correlate to these past origins in Africa. On this upcoming SEPTEMBER 11, Ethiopian Jews will celebrate its’ New Year and, I suppose this would be especially significant for them after experiencing a Blood Moon; TOTAL LUNAR ECLPSE on this past July 27, 2018, that lasted over Ethiopia for three (3) hours. Not everyone cares about GOOD FRIDAY, PASSOVER or EASTER, but because in a few days and as it was instituted to be observed initially in September way back in time by Moses, therefore, this New Year annual holiday will be observed by the Original Jews and Hebrew Israelites in the Horn of Africa, in Ethiopia [ie Jews] and Eritrea [ie. Israel]. So, it may be a good time to shed light on how the western world did change the dates and times. I will also go back a little before this event to provide a setting. The dates and times that I offer through my research is based on a fixed point, and based on the relation to how the earth lines up with other stars. Back in 2002, I happened to hear on the evening news that ‘there was to be a rare planetary alignment’ and it was to be the same configuration that occurred more than 2000 years ago during the advent of the ‘Star of Bethlehem’. So I made sure to get up early that next morning to see this phenomenon for myself and sense that time, on April 17, 2002, I have been able to compare and contrast other dating systems and ancient historical events globally. It would be for this reason, that I have been able to measure timed events more accurately. THE GREAT WORLD FLOOD According to the scriptures, it occurred in the Second Month, on the 17th day. According to the constellations, MARCH would be the global scientific 1st MONTH So, APRIL 17, AD 2356 would be the day of the Great World Flood *Although scholars have attempted to cover up and change the Egyptian records, this event abruptly ended the 5th Dynasty of the OLD Pyramid Age. THE DATING OF THE EXODUS According to a catastrophic phenomenon that occurred during the height of the Crete Minoan Greek Civilization, it can be seen that todays scholars have changed the dates and times. This date marks the time of the start of the 18th dynasty in Egypt. THE VOLCANIC ERUPTION ON THERA. Although many dates are offered to have this eruption occur around 1600s BC, it actually occurred in 1662 BC. This date would confirm the Biblical records and synchronize the other secular historical events in all of the major civilizations in the entire Old Mediterranean World and elsewhere. This eruption was well documented in ancient Chinese records as well. This natural phenomenon along with many others would be how I have synchronized my timelines. There are a few scholars that have admitted that exactly 100 years has been extracted from the timelines and certain events have been inserted in various incorrect periods of ancient civilizations in and around the Old Mediterranean World. But due to this understanding, now there can be a clear chronological sequence of events that can be recognized. JOSEPH’s BIRTHDATE & His Entry into Egypt Many people have not been able to understand the actual dates and times of the Exodus because they do not realize that this includes the time that Joseph was brought into Egypt. [40] Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. [41] And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. EXODUS 12:40-1. ---430 years 1883 – JOSEPH WAS BORN 1866 BC -- Joseph was forced into captivity at 17 years old—September 14--- -------------- THE BARLEY FESTIVAL, after the Nile River subsided 1662 BC – The Mosis Brothers, Ahmose & Kamose begin the 18th Dynasty Move capital from Central Egypt back to Thebes-Upper Egypt 1516 BC– Moses was born 1436 BC – THE EXODUS ___________________________________________________ PLAGUE 1—THE RED TIDE This phenomenon has been occurring for thousands of years and perhaps long before the time of the Exodus. However, this kind of information has not been taught very well in the Black Church. It seems though, and in my opinion, there was like a ‘domino affect’ after this one plague. It seems to have led to a chain reaction in which that next few plagues, [2] THE FROGS, [3] THE LICE, [4] THE FLIES [5] THE MURRAIN of the cattle, [6]SKIN BOILS and [6] THE LOCUSTS, were as a result of its happening: Thus saith the LORD, In this thou shalt know that I am the LORD: behold, I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood. And the fish that is in the river shall die, and the river shall stink; and the Egyptians shall lothe to drink of the water of the river…. EXODUS 7:17-18. Red tide has sparked a state of emergency in Florida. What is red tide? August 15, 2018 Florida Gov. Rick Scott declared a state of emergency Wednesday for seven counties in southwest Florida over an unusually severe red tide outbreak. … Beaches are shut down, businesses have temporarily closed, and Floridians wonder when it will all end. .. How long is the red tide expected to last? It’s hard to predict how long the red tide will remain, it could persist through 2019. Red tides can last days, weeks or months and can change depending on wind conditions and water currents. … … Red tides are not a new phenomena – the first reported incident was in Florida in 1844. Research hasn’t found a definitive link between the severity of red tides climate change. … https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/15/red-tide-state-emergency-florida-explained/997165002/ PLAGUE 9 -- THE THICK DARKNESS This plague also has happened in different countries across the globe for thousands of years and well before it occurred at this time and point in Egypt. And again, outside of my own research, I never heard it explained in the Church. Although Passover was changed back at the time of the Roman Empire times to be observed in the springtime, however, the Bible holds the records in that it was instituted to be observed in the fall. And this phenomenon known today as ‘A SAND STORM’ or ‘A HABOOB’ would be one of many facts that reveal Passover could not have occurred during the springtime and ultimately, that the dates and times have been changed for certain past events. And, according to scriptures, this PLAGUE OF THICK DARKNESS lasted for three (3) days. This kind of Sand Storm has been known to happen in America, in areas like Arizona and Texas and, it happens in the Middle East in areas like Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Cont.: [22] And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days: [23] They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all. EXODUS 10: 22-3.

@Pioneer1 Yes, this is true. But this also goes in line of your constant usage of the word 'Caucasian' although, I understand what you mean, so it doesn't bother me. As likewise, that term 'mankind' is not completely what you believe as it is used in other scholarly respects, but again, it doesn't bother me if you don't view it that way. In an earlier post, you said that you don't use the word 'HOMINID' and yet again, I understand and it is okay, but, this would be a technical term used by scientist who have systematically classified humans with the SCIENTIFIC PROCESS. It is like saying to me, that you don't use the common English word 'LION' or 'GRIZZILY BEAR' or 'GIRAFFE' or etc. Unfortunately, we don't always get to pick the terms. That is okay because this is a challenging area due to the deception of this system in how it set up to be an empire and orchestrate a slave system that lasted for hundreds of years. Nevertheless, it is a typical DIVIDE AND CONQUER tactic based on GENDER CONFLICTS. I don't know about you as a Black man, but I could not even make a count of how many times other men have told me and tried to convince me how useless Black men were in the attempt to try to win my affections. I will admit, I appreciate men from all walks of life, but my choice was based on my upbringing, being around my relatives. But men compete on all levels for women even if it to highlight a person's negative aspects of ethnicity and cultural pitfalls.

@Pioneer1 This is an impossible statement to go any farther with you because, what you are saying is that, even though we as humans die off and leave writen works, it cannot be trusted as being authentic based on any 'measurable standard'. LOL this is unbelievable statement. You just stated that a group of scribes and scholars got together on your version of how the Talmud was eventually written, but cannot realize that would be the very process in the written conclusion of the end of the life of Moses!? Your all over the place, and have no fixed dates from which to base anything on. You need to provide some evidence that the author of the Songs of Solomon was not him. You are shooting in the dark. The Bible gives a detailed timeline of the kings over Israel and Jewry. HOw in the world could a king with a government not verify their writings. LOL. That makes no sense at all. @Pioneer1Geez. Ezra lived during the 400s BC, that is almost a thousands years after the events occurred in Egypt with regards to the 18th and 19th Dynasty of the Ramasses and the Thutmosis. The civilization in Egypt revolves around the 1500s BC!!! Talk about writing about something second hand! That would mean that Ezra was writing about something that happened over a thousand years prior! LOL. Get out of here with that! LOL! @Pioneer1 What earlier documents? What earlier published documents could Ezra have possibly used that the man, Moses did or that the Egyptians did? Did Ezra use the Egyptian documents? Can you provide some kind of dated document that Ezra could have used? BTW, I think Ezra lived after the downfall of the NeoBabylonian empire. He lived under the PErsian in Persepolis or their other Achaemenid Capital city. Both Nehemiah and Ezra were apart of the construction of the Second Temple for the Jews.

@Pioneer1 Then yes, it is based on 'belief' even if there are facts. But the source is not just Western Archeology, that is just one approach. Ancient depictions of people with these LONG SKULLS are very well depicted. So I do want to know; You don't even believe scholars like the late Ivan Van Sertima? He states that Nefertiti was definitely a White foreigner. Her traits are not atypical of the modern skulls. can you offer a reference? who then wrote the Pentatuch? @Pioneer1 There is nothing that states the book was written by anyone other than Solomon. So if you don't believe that then, that is where the contention rest. There is no need to go beyond this point unless you can provide evidence that the author is who you say. Yes, I do believe that White people were in Africa. But nevertheless, i have never heard of any other culture professing Black AFrican people's traits other then Black African people. Speaking of which, you do realize that Minister Louis Farrakhan admitted that the matriarch of this following is a White woman?

@Pioneer1 Okay. Thank you. This makes sense. You are too much! LOL. That is not what I meant! lol! What if another man did that to her in your presence? You wouldn't be offended if she came and told you another man groped her? And, what if she was your wife? Now you've got me confused. Are you saying the term is correct to say 'Original man'? And, it is not correct to say 'Original mankind?' In another thread you used the term 'ORGINAL BLACK POPULATION'; how is this different from saying 'ORiginal mankind'? Yes, in terms of 'the Original Population of people that lived in Greek lands' many of the Greeks were Black. Terms like 'DORIAN GREEKS', 'MINOAN GREEKS', 'CARIAN GREEKS', 'DANAANS', 'THEBAN GREEKS', ... and so many other terms define the ORIGINAL POPULATIONS in those Isles and mainlands of the European continent. The Ionian Greeks though and many others were definitely White Greeks. Some of the Greek pottery reveals these people, but I am not an Art History expert to be able to respond completely from that point-of-view. HOMER time period and the script on this wise also reveals this earlier presence too. THE ROMAN EMPIRE-- @Pioneer1 I'm not sure how else to say this. Maybe I could say it this way; Many people may not realize that the foundation of the Roman Empire was not solely based on Rome, Italy, but their system stems from earlier system in the Assyrian Empire. Have you ever heard that Romans hated the term 'king'? This is because the earlier Black civilizations many times used the term 'KING' because it signified INHERITED THRONE. The Romans used the term 'EMPEROR' because they wanted world domination. Kings represented 'PRIESTHOOD' and the Romans worked to knock this down. Their system is based on 'a Matriarchal basis'; [1] the QUEEN BEE and [2] THE EARTH MOTHER. In early times, eastern people migrated from the east into Syria [ie Assyria] and set up THE DRUZES, a predominantly White Matriarchal system. They lived in BEE-HIVE dwellings, were White, blonde, blue-eyed predominantly.... held a secret book ... this book was what Julius Caesar relied upon to set up the Rome Republic and later, the Roman Empire. The Sybils script was housed in the temple of Mercury [ie. treasury temple] .... etc..... I could go on and on.... I am not sure how to explain it fully in a brief statement. Syria was the country where the tax system was first made law because that is their matriarchal origins. The Queen Bee, represents White woman, Ashteroth, and the Earth Mother represents an ancient Black woman; so the Archaic TRIAD was on this basis, [I forgot] and the new triad was JUPITER, JUNO, and VENUS [SOMETIMES --- CYBELE]... The Romans used ethnic women to overthrow the Black world...

@Mel Hopkins WOW! Thank you! I am obsessed with timelines! LOL. I am very familiar with a lot on this timeline and because it covers so much, I don't even know where I would like to begin to perhaps add my research. I guess I can close my eyes and point! lol. What I would love to do with my research is to somehow write it so that people can read my input and determine for themselves just how the western civilization has brought confustion to the past. However, writing and transferring ideas is a challenge for me. I appreciate having the chance to read what you write. I hope you continue to write because you do it so well! I haven't sat down yet to completely read you book, but I tell you, it is awesome. I was so surprised to see how much information you put behind your theme. The information you put surrounding Ethiopia and Babylon and Solomon . . . amazing. That is my passion! I recall a book I read in the past called Black Spark, White Fire, [?] and it delved into Sesostris I, II, and III and the colony of Cholchis in the north, and I have read other Afrocentric scholars on this colony too. I love the 11th Dynasty king, Mentuhotep [ie. Nebhebitre Mentuhotep] too. This timeline that you posted places Moses, as do too, during the 18th Dynasty and most Black people have no idea! And also, I have seen so many bits and pieces of 'European Bible Scholars' who place Moses in conflict with Thutmosis III but this is not my finding. So, maybe I might try to share some of my research in this area. Thank you again.

@Pioneer1I just read over the references you provided within the entire chapter to better understanding of the full context. II CORINTHIANS Chapter 12:15-16 and the entire chapter seems to me to be Pauls addressing the Church people in Corinthia in their deeds of 'uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed'. HIs word 'crafty' means to you that he 'tricked them' but in context, it could mean that he was wise enough to question them to get at thier deception and he saw that they were trying to justify deeds that are sinful. He was trying to set up 'THE CHURCH' on values that are in the Old and New Covenant. If th people wanted to be part of the Church and continue to commit adultery and be lewd then, tht could contradict the church foundation. I CORINTHIANS Chapter 9:19-22 and in the entirety of the chapter seems to me to be Paul defining himself as 'A servant of God' and making a total sacrifice to make an appeal to anyone and not just, one particular kind of people. He says that he 'as a Jew' made an appeal to Jews and discussed Jesus Movement of Christianity by the 'LAW OF THE OLD TESTAMENT' that they, the Jews, were familiar with to show them how it correlates to the Gospel. And then, he appealed to others from their basis, whether Gentiles or Greeks and appealed to them from that perspective to win them over to Christ. You say, that he was 'two-faced' and pretended to be a Jew and then he turned to the Gentiles, and pretended to be a Idol worship of Jupiter and Juno. But that is not what he was saying in context.

@Pioneer1 So do you believe that they existed? And, do you believe that they existed for a long time? As far as roaming the entire earth, doesn't seem to be significant, but scientist do say that skulls are found all over the earth that are not the modern mankind. Okay, but what are you basing this on? I too believe that Black people have been in existence for many years beyond documented civilizations and I base this on what I read and regarding archeology. This doesn't make any sense because, if these so-called Jews had the Talmud, and based on THE PENTATUCH, then it would not have been orally. Your dates are off. LOL! STOP! Believing that they existed or not is one thing, but the script clearly details Solomon, as he wrote himself, in that he was very, very Black skinned! Come on! Can you show me any references to this? The term 'Original Black population' that you just used would agree though, to this very term. LOL. But yes, 'Original Jew' would be more correct. But here is where I will leave off because if you don't accept the references I provided about the dated term JEWRY during the time that David and Solomon were scripted to have existed, then tht would be the contention. My reference again is THE BOOK OF SONGS OF SOLOMON as he described himself as being a very, very, Black man with African origins. But oh well... You just kicked my scholarly references about the term KARITE JEWS to the curve and now, you are just debating on 'beliefs', with no references. Oh well, thanks anyway for your response.

Ugh . . @Pioneer1 This is the most taxing statement of all in this dialogue, for me. While I understand exactly what you mean about the Catholic priest as you said earlier in this thread, and I understand completely what you mean about Caucasian men and how the media uses ploys to drown out this great evil, however, it would dangerous to compare this to Pan-Africa, just based on a few historical facts with regards to slavery and the common term of 'the Slaveyard Buck'. And, don't even bring up the Greek culture because many of those Spartans were actually Black! Who was it that attacked Kalief Browder!? What do you think is going on in the prisons? But more importantly, the history about the very term that you use 'Caucasian' has this dark history too, attached to it. But most of all, this issue is personal for me. So, I don't really care about the percentages of White pedophiles versus Blacks. It is hard for me to deal with a grown Black African American man who could rape a little African American boy and steal away a baby's chance to choose to be a man in accordance to his birth gender. You know, if I was given a choice to do away with only one or the other . . . If I could only choose to judge a few Black African pedophiles or either many White pedophiles, . . . I would immediately annihilate each and every one of the Black pedophiles. I can't believe that a Black man would move to hurt a little Black African child, whether a baby girl or a baby boy. That is unthinkable for me.

@Pioneer1 I think he moved past what an assault may be though. I may be wrong on this, but this is what I remember as it was explained to me. I think it went something like this; if a person raises their hand or approaches in a threatening mode, then that would be AN ASSAULT. But if they actually came through and hit you, then that would be BATTERY; hence a criminal charge of Assault and Battery. But, in this situation, I may be wrong. Anyway, he didn't even give her a chance to say no, 'get you creepy arms off of me', because he did it in public and put her in an awkward position. But again, she doesn't need to speak out, he was wrong. It's not about her, it is about him and what he did. I definitely can appreciate assertive men, but he acted the part of a pervert. As Mel Hopkins said, he became 'a predatory monster'. She could have had a male friend or brother and then, what if the minister was retaliated against, knocked out for his act by her friend or maybe her father or uncle? They may not consider what she felt, but just respond. @Pioneer1 You wouldn't get upset if your girlfriend was groped? Umh . . . . . . That is interesting take, but @Pioneer1 hence . . . The Roman Empire . . . Do you realize that was the justification used to throw down the Original mankind? JUlius Ceasars' tactic was to appeal to a Matriarchal position because the needs of the ethnic and Black women were not met by their own mankind, and for that matter, isn't that why it is said that Jesus came? The priesthood ignored their own womankind? So, they were uprooted. So, now Black women had more freedom to get away from aggressive Black men behind the cloak of the priesthood who think that they can just 'take liberties' and go from one woman to the next . . .. without giving us . . . complete fulfillment? They must have went a little more farther than just being 'a little too aggressive with their touching'... I can't help but think about the 7 DEMONS that MARY OF MAGDALENE had... Jesus healed her of being vexed by those 7 perverts that left her wanting' . . . smh. So now, after the Church as set up, now here we go again... dealing with the Eddie Longs and what ever else...

LOL. okay. @Pioneer1 Thank you for taking the time to read my input!

@Troy yes, I've spent hundreds of dollars on specially made orthotics and they didn't work, more over, they actually made my feet much worse. It took me years of trial and error to finally stumble across these particular pair of NIKE Running shoes and the last pair wore out about 2 years ago, but I just didn't have the money to replace them but last week, after complaining relentlessly to my family for help, I was finally able to buy them. I had to call all over to find them as they are hard to find in stock, believe it or not. They don't seem to ever be on sale. I tell my family that what I really need to do is to get my membership back at a community pool or something because that would really help more. But, my health is not good, so I feel pressed to do something now. It is so sad about how just because of NAME BRANDS that companies like NIKE and more, have blood on their hands. I have to say, I agree with you on how you feel though. But, I angry too, about being ripped off in the medical field as well. I wish I could find a better way. But as for Colin Kapernick, I know he going to be exploited, however, what he did, IMO was so amazing. He's one in a million, and then some. He is so young too. In the back of my mind, I am hoping that NIKE or someone behind this company chose to do this for the right reasons. @Cynique absolutely! ... car rims.... keep going.... LOL

LOL! @Troy NIkes are too expensive for me, but before I even knew that they supported Colin, I just recently broke down and scratched my pennies to buy a pair that I need because of my problematic feet. They happened to make a pair that I can use without causing me more damage due to a job injury. And, I don't think this will make up for Colin's financial loss either. From what I understand, he was really good at his sport, so I know he made a sacrifice. I hope his parents will be proud of him though, I believe it is tough on them too. There are already some angry people though, mad at Nike.

LOL @Pioneer1 But yes, seriously though, we are not talking about the entire Earth regarding Specifically, well documented ancient city-civilizations. We don't know yet, what kind of civilizations occurred during the time the Neanderthals roamed the entire earth or lived in caves in the far east in Siberia and etc. except to say that the Neanderthals themselves mark a period primitive existence for hundreds of thousands of years. So prior to these remote time, we are not able to say what the Denisovans or other kinds of Black hominids did in Turkey. There are archeological evidence that dates back to certain time periods beyond 6,000 years ago showing the many unearthed obese figurines of 'the earth mother' in lands in East Europe and farther east. We read about the pottery of the ancient JOMON civilization in the far east and etc., we read about the huge massive long head skulls unearthed in Northeast Africa and etc. but in regards to TURKEY, all of the earlier city-civilizations with SCRIPT revolves around a Black African-typed presence. Ah! But @Pioneer1 THIS IS COMPLETELY WRONG!!! The first date that this term 'JEW' was written was way long before the Talmud was translated in Babylon. The Babylonian-Talmud did not even come into fruition until after the Roman Empire. It’s dated to be around AD 200 to 500!!! That is almost 1000 years after the Original Jews lived in Babylon! You are squeezing in history in a very small period what actually unfolded over hundreds and hundreds of years. The first time the term ‘JEW’ came about was way before the Persian Empire times! This term ‘JEW’ was based from what happened during the time of David and Solomon and due to a Civil conflict that led to a major division amongst the 12 tribes of Israel-Jacob. The term ‘JEWRY’ is in the Bible and it defines the SOUTHERN ISRAELITES of the tribes of JUDAH and BENJAMIN. Paul was from the tribe of BENJAMIN, one of the 12 tribes of Jacob. The NORTHERN ISRAELITES were called THE TEN TRIBES or JOSEPH. The headquarters for the Northern Israel was the Capital, Samaria, and the Southern Capital and headquarters was JERUSALEM in the south. Then was Daniel brought in before the king. And the king spake and said unto Daniel, Art thou that Daniel, which art of the children of the captivity of Judah, whom the king my father brought out of Jewry? DANIEL 5:13. After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. ST JOHN 7:1. So the term ‘JEW’ would be ‘an ethnicity’ and has a cultural origin. There was conflict between the tribe of Benjamin and Judah due to Saul, the Kishite was from the tribe of Benjamin. But later, David became king and the Capital was Hebron for about 7 years, then it was moved to Jerusalem and David became King over all Israel. But after he died and due to his son Solomon, later the Hebrews split. So the JEWS of JEWRY would be based on their culture in Jerusalem and, this time period lasted for a long time, over a hundred years. @Pioneer1 The Hasmoneans yes. The Idumaeans yes. But, Again, you are combining what happened in Babylon with issues that span over a very long period of time. The so-called Jews that published the TALMUD came after the Roman Empire had formed. Their ‘new religion’ is was sparked violence amongst the Original Jews, but at this time, they called themselves KARAITES or KARAITE JEWS, which means ‘BLACK JEWS’. The kinds of European Jews that did eventually became associated with this TALMUD and other terms like TORAH and the TANAKH did begin after the overthrow of the Neo-Babylonian Empire though, so I understand why you have made these statement about Paul. After the overthrow of Neo-Babylon, Cyrus of the Medo-Persian system lived during the 400s BC. He marks a time when many Jews remained in Persia-Iran and also went farther east too. But at this point, the Hebrew script was still in tact due to the Neo-Babylonian system they came out of. This was the time their scripts were codified because that was a Cush-Babylonian custom. There are a lot of gaps in our western format of educational system about this very issue, but still, this can be understood based on certain perspectives. My one main approach would be to regard a historical timeline. 900s BC--- Solomon 600s BC—the Downfall of Northern Israel 500s BC—the Downfall of Southern Israel-JEWRY 450s BC—Scriptures Codified 400s BC—the Downfall of Neo-Babylon Empire 300s BC—the Downfall of Medo-Persia Empire 300s BC—the rise of the Greek Empire 200s BC—the Conflicts of the Greco-Roman period AD 200s- 500s—the formation of the TALMUD *** What is important about this confusion about the mixed Jews of those times and their script would be to not concentrate on them but rather the Original Jews and Israelites of Northern Israel. The Ten Tribes play a vital role in this issue. After they were overthrown and scattered, many of them became defined as GREEKS by the time the SEPTUGAINT was published. And the KOINE GREEK was used in the translations from their old language to the language at that time. The Septuagint was based on that KOINE GREEK LANGUAGE. **** 200s BC--During this time the SEPTUGAINT was published, based on scholars in North Africa, which consisted of JEWS, HEBREWS, GREEK-HEBREWS... and Pharisees. And yes, the Original Jews had long been overthrown by this time too. However, many of them that migrated back to Jerusalem at the time of Cyrus and later, Darius-the-Mede, became apart of the translations of the Septuagint. It was during this time that the Hellenes began to be significant due to the Ptolemy dynasty. And the Hasmoneans and Idumaeans also come into this conflict during the Roman time period too. Paul would have been influenced by the Septuagint as would Jesus about 200 years later when they were alive. Between the time of the Septuagint and Paul though, the Jewish National Movement occurred and during that time, holidays were superimposed on top of ancient Biblical holidays and this too became a confusion. But Paul became in agreement with the works of Jesus and this movement. Today, the scholars admit that there are numerous contradictions to the Talmud that do not agree with neither the Septuagint nor the Masoretic text. It is just like today, even though there is a serious movement to define many immigrants as being ‘African American’, it doesn’t change the original KJV Bible that the Original AfroAmerican Descendants of Slaves have been using for hundreds of years. *** The most important point in understanding the authenticity of the earlier translations would be completely based on the definition and description of the Original Israelites as written in the PENTATUCH. The ethnicity of the Original Jews and Israel of Northern Israel MUST possess and retain a certain trait over the span of their generations for the third and fourth generations of any government that they are a part of and this is detailed in the scriptures. This would be the key conflict with the Talmud. The definition that Moses wrote to define his people would be the very contention of the Talmud. Another feature in order to validate the original ancient scriptures would be contained in the Pentatuch in that all scriptures must agree. The Old Testament authors writings must agree with the Gospel which would be the New Testament writings. So, Paul’s writings agree with this basis. So if you still believe that Paul is a fraud, then hopefully, you will be able to share your references so I can see.

@Pioneer1 I forgot to comment on your question about 'African hair'. I don't know about 'the components' about African hair. All I know is that when you study the microscopic slides, African hair is completely unique as opposed to any other hair type in the world. I agree with you in that 'Native American or Asian hair' is somewhat distinct from European hair too. But the terms regarding 'race' makes this science of hair difficult to even explain. Even the slides I viewed during my training was wrong, IMO. The slides referenced what you call Native American, and what I call 'Asian' hair as MONGOLOID! The 'Mongoloid' slides showed the hair fiber as being thicker than all hair types, very black in color, and rounded. Like I said, my husband is 'Black Indian' and he has this on both sides of his family origin. His mother is Blackfeet and she has nappy hair. His father is Sioux and he comes from a huge family. Some of his sisters, have straight, long, very black hair, and his hair is sandy brown and straight-typed. HIs mother's hair is very straight and sandy brown. One of his brother's hair is straight-curly and very black and stands up, but NO NAPS AT ALL. So Native Americans have a distinct presence and it's difficult to use the term 'race' for me, because that is so NOT SCIENTIFIC. My husbands hair is very, very black, and very bushy. HIs strands are rounded though and blunt. He can grow a beautiful afro that is so easy to cut and shape. HIs cornrows are thick. So, I just don't know how to really categorize 'MONGOLIANS', But African hair is the only kind of hair on this planet that NAPS--- as far as humans to. The only thing similar to AFrican hair is THE WOOLY SHEEP and CAMELS, a certain breed and then of course, I wonder about the extinct WOOLY MAMMOTH. This may seem kind of funny but, this is a significant issue.

@Pioneer1 Yes, but it has been awhile. What I vaguely remember about Sigmund Freud, the pschologist, and his conclusions and others, for this matter, is that they all are in the same 'secret organization with regards to misdating history' and therefore, their books are all based on this extremem false basis. @Pioneer1 Other scholars speak about this misdating that was done around AD 1500s in the European league before they set sail with their Exploration MOvement and their Transatlantic Trade Movement. So, the accounts they provide about MOSES, MONOTHEISM, ATENISM, AKHENATEN, and etc. is extremely and deliberately misdated and wrong. And, accept for the Arabs and fareastern civilizations and especially Iran system, of which reveal this in their dates and publications, it would be very difficult to prove this. It was a complete BLACKOUT on obvious historical facts regarding the education or miseducation of African Americans. Western Civilization has poisoned our minds with complete lies about the history of what happened during the 18th Dynasty of the RAMASIDS and they have misplaced MOSES to be in conflict with this system with their movies and even recent movies. How in the world can MOses be in the Ramesids Dynasty when his very name is MOSES--- Jusl like the many pharaohs of the 19th Dynasty!!!? How can Moses be Akhenaten of the 19th Dynasty when Moses loathed the Egyptians so much that he took off for about 40 years and initially refused to even go back? How can Moses choose to bond with Akhenaten wife, Nefertiti when the wife of Moses was clearly CUSH, ETHIOPIAN--- Black African? These Europeans have completely lied to hide well dated historical facts.

@Mel Hopkins Thank you so much! And, your post was so on point! @Cynique You are welcome! @Pioneer1 Thank you. @Pioneer1 I think it is because that was only step 1. I am speaking on a personal basis here. I can't believe that you can't see this for what it is. Ms. Grande's smiling mean noting to his behavior. He borderlined if not crossed the line on what is criminal, and that is why the news reports showed the clip. It's obvious. I was taught that a person doesn't even have to touch you, and certain behaviors is considered 'AN ASSAULT'. Ms. Grande may have smiled and kept up an decent reaction due to being 'caught off guard' and for the sake of the situation being public, but she was clearly tensed up at his grabbing her like that.

Hmh.......... Let me see .......... When my high school history teacher and football coach seemed to turn up in places when I got off the city bus in big ole San Diego, way on the other side of the city ....... there he was in his van------ offering me a ride...... when he told me I had to do after school study or I'd fail and could not graduate, and even though I took my friend with me..... he demanded that she leave because she was passing and then, she left....... he pressed against me..... i was 16 years old..... a virgin...... and I beg him to get off of me..... and later find out that he did this before and was basically just 'slapped on the hand' and sent to another school......my school.... to do it again!!! Fortunately, he did not continue and he did leave me alone that day.... or 9 months later, I would have had a half White-Italian baby. I was terrified. I did not like it at all. I felt like Kizzie..... as this was the rage during that time. Yes, I do find assertive men attractive, but not creeps. In college, too, and like this situation, there are many creeps. But to do this to ARiande Grande on such an occasion, is unbelievable. Come on, @Pioneer1 on national television! Yes! That is awful. Did you see how he was holding her? That was just ridiculous. Is he married? If he is, then how would you expect his wife to respond. I would completely flip out.

@Mel Hopkins YITES!!! Touchez!!!! On Guard! @Pioneer1 Yes, She did pull away. She absolutely looked uncomfortable. @Pioneer1 Come on. Well, what about the other way around. This comment reminds me of one of my past favorite movies '9 to 5' starring Dolly Parton and Jane Fonda.

@Pioneer1 Wow! Is that the same person? Interesting point you make. But the Pulsular Psoriasis or rather ALPHOS LEPROSY does never remain but it actually goes in and out of remission. It is a different pathology from Viitiligo, however, have to say, that based on your observation, I am now wondering if like 'psoriasis' today's medical professionals have changed the facts about VITILIGO too! The kind tht MOses had, came and went, and even though, the description was about a certain point in time when Moses was 80 years old, many people can't recognize that it probably wasn't the first time Moses had this issue! We've been brainwashed to read the Bible by the White's man's limited perspective-- 'or at least I have been brainwashed-- and so, I am trying to free myself from this slave mindedness and look at past history from another perspective. Did you see the first line of the reference I quoted? It actually has that very word 'VITILIGO'! It does seem like Vitiligo may be a variation of leprosy! WOW.