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@Maurice WHEW! Thank you for responding. LOL. Man! I jumped to a false conclusion.

@Kareem WOW! I learned a lot! Very deep, and informative. Are you saying that Yvette Carnell is a liberal or, is she of that LBGT community? I will have to listen to the videos you posted later. Also, I didn't know that she and Moore developed the ADOS acrynym, because, I also used this acrynym myself before I heard that it was used by others.

Well, @Maurice You should not feel this way. These subjects are tough, but a reality. This subject that I am responsing too has merit, and I would hope that you can understand and relate. This very subject was dealt with by White people too, even in the Roots production back when I was a child, it showed a slave mother walking her daughter up to the overseer. So, if you feel that I don't want you hear, you would be really wrong. At any rate, I wish you peace.

That's an interesting perspective. I think, perhaps, that these women may believe that by allowing other types of viewpoints into their Black site may help them to also use this avenue to push other Black issues. I don't believe in this approach, but I do believe that a lot of earlier 'Baby Boomer' Blacks and 'Joneses Blacks' and been conditioned from the Slave yard to adopt this belief and mentality. I feel that some of them feel that 'we have to accept all types of weird 'issues' based on their conditioned belief that White people of the head and they believe that will never change or, they may not want it ever change. They may feel that they will be destroyed if they don't accept White America's White Supremacy, so they set up their communities but allow their fears and beliefs to direct their pathways. LSABanned said from her experience, these Black women are dark skinned and therefore, and this is significant too, but it will take me some 'thinking' to be able to express my views on this. But it kind of goes a long with what I have experience from some of the women in my family. Some of my relatives are dark and some are light, and so, I see a lot of problems with Colorism and White Supremacy from this bases. For example, one of my Aunt's who is obsessed with White men told me this one day [she is dark skinned]; She said to me that back in the slavery days, the slave mothers would take their young daughter up to the slave overseers house and/or the slave masters house to become their sex toy. And my aunt said that if this did not happen and if those slave mothers did not consent to this, then we Black people would not be here today, so it had to happen. Well, my response was abrupt. I responded vehemently. I almost lost my composure. I told my Aunt that I would be completely dead or would die that day, if I were a slave mother, and expected to do something like that. I would never offer up my sweet little girl like that and etc. Well, my Aunt's response was 'an--I don't care response.' She looked at me as if she didn't even care what I said. She seems to fantasize over White men but will mask this, at times, and speak about Black issues and Black struggles.

That is okay, I am just glad you are back in the house. Now, you know you are speaking truth!!! I think that they are seeing all of the hype that has come with this new age propaganda though. Obama's era kind of made it seem like we Americans are a melting pot, and then came the Trump era, and these Sistas are not 'woke'. Really!? WOW! I am deeply shocked. Well, that is so sad and I am shaking my head in disapproval; they should know better than that, However, I am so glad that you are addressing this issue.

@Kareem I can relate because both the 70s and the 80s was my time! I entered my high school age during these times so I can understand the transitions from the 70s to the 80s. Oh yes, I love that song Boogie Oogie Oogie. Don't get me started! LOL. Those were the times! And although I was very young in the 60s, I was so surprised though, when I later learn that some of the songs I heard actually were remake of earlier Black people. For example, I used to love hearing Cher, sang this song with the lyrics; Our Day Will Come. Man she really had a unique voice, But then years later, I was completely stunned to find out that this song was initially sung by a Black woman and when I heard her, I just couldn't believe it; she blew me away. And, remember Michael Bolton singing 'Sittin on the Dock of the Bay'!? WHEW! He has a unique voice. But, because my Step-father was in the Navy, and he just loved that song, and played it and sang it a lot, I already knew it was a Black man that sang it earlier, and man!!!--- When a Black man 'who can sing' sings-- It's like going into a trance... drift me away... Oh how I miss those days, dreaming about 'sittin on the dock of a bay' and strolling along the beach with a botha, in uniform, ... Yall just don't know... Anyways, but back to the 80s, that song brings to mind Bobby Caldwell's song too, What you won't do For Love and, then Billy Ocean, Oh my, my, my ... There you go! Hopefully, we can bring back those days. I believe in it! Really!? I don't think I've ever heard it! So, I will be searching for it! LOL! Too late now. You have to keep on...

FAS-- Oh! How I deeply appreciate you!!! @Kareem and @Troy I am looking forward to listening to these videos before I comment.

I was born after some of the stories that revolve around this subject, so I did not eve think it would return. America tricked me and caused me to think that those times were over, but WOW, now I realize that we are back at this again. NOw, I am thinking about the stories I heard about people going into the old fashion grocery/hardware stores and having accounts, and then owing on their accounts. The store owners/clerks would have some type of book where they would mark people for how much they owe. I am no thinking about how Black people were actually lynched for owing money to these stores and not being able to buy anything because they were told they owed too much!!!

DEBTOR’S PRISON is Back in AMERICA Robin Ebersohl closes her eyes as she recalls the experience of being arrested in Macoupin County and jailed for four days over an outstanding debt owed for medical bills she could not pay. (AP Photo / The Telegraph, John Badman) I just saw an article yesterday about Mississippi and it is so misleading, but nonetheless, very eye opening. The article highlighted a woman named Annita Husband but stated that Mississippi has had a Debtor Prison system for years now and alludes to a falsity in that this would be the only state in USA. But, this is so not true. The comments after the article were extremely numerous and most of the commenters applauded the system for debtors’ prison. But after I read some more articles, I realized that Debtor’s prison occurs in many states and has been for years now. Also, unlike Ms. Husband’s story, people can be arrested and jailed for many reasons. Mostly all of the articles I have read too, say that the most victims are Black people, but still, this fate has happened to many Americans and for various debts. Debtors prison: It’s back and it’s here By Jim Gallagher Jan 15, 2012 Robin Ebersohl knew she had a loud muffler. She couldn’t afford to get it fixed. When she saw a police car, she though she’d chance it and drive by. It was a mistake bigger than she could have imagined. She thought she might get a ticket. Instead, she got three days in jail and her father lost $500 in bail money. https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/debtors-prison-it-s-back-and-it-s-here/article_4683672a-3be5-11e1-a381-001a4bcf6878.html ________________________________________________________________ This woman was put in jail in Illinois until she came up with bail money that her father sent from his pension. Then they applied this money to her debt. She never knew about the warrant for her arrest and so, most people are arrested and find out about this kind of debt warrant if they are stopped for a simple traffic violation or etc. ________________________________________________________________ Prosecutors and Judges Have Brought Back Debtors Prisons A new report details how easily you can be put in jail simply for owing a company money. By David Dayen FEBRUARY 22, 2018 … over 1,000 cases in 26 states where judges dutifully issued the arrest warrants for failure to appear. In four states where they could receive full data (Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, and Utah), the ACLU found 8,500 arrest warrants in debt-collection cases. The warrants cover every kind of debt: medical bills, student loans, rent payments, homeowners’ association fees, utility bills, repairs, payday loans, gym fees, you name it. The amounts involved in the warrants were as low as $28. … https://www.thenation.com/article/prosecutors-and-judges-have-brought-back-debtors-prisons/ __________________________________________________ This articles also explains that people can sit in jail for weeks, all for not paying a bill and if they get a bail, then it goes directly to the debt-collection agency. It also said that some people jailed actually didn’t owe the debt or it had been paid off. One Texas man just got out of open heart surgery but was jailed due to his college loan. __________________________________________________ Think Debtors Prisons are a Thing of the Past Not in Mississippi Annita Husband entered the restitution center in 2015, six years after pleading guilty to embezzlement, because she struggled to make monthly payments on her $13,000 court debt. She feared she would spend years at the center trying to pay it off. ERIC J. SHELTON/MISSISSIPPI TODAY, REPORT FOR AMERICA JACKSON, Miss. –During her shifts at a Church’s Chicken, Annita Husband looked like the other employees. She wore the same blue and red polo shirt, greeted the same customers and slung the same fried chicken and biscuits. But after clocking out, Husband, a mother in her 40s, had to wait for a white van with barred windows and the seal of the Mississippi Department of Corrections on its sides. It delivered her to the Flowood Restitution Center, a motel converted into a jail surrounded by razor wire, … https://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/01/09/think-debtors-prisons-are-a-thing-of-the-past-not-in-mississippi This article goes on to explain that she embezzled money from her job when she saw her truck being repossessed and prior to that, she was jailed for writing bad checks. She worked and cared for three children and a sick husband who died years later. In this article were other stories too, like this woman: September 2018, Dixie D’Angelo worked four different restaurant jobs trying to pay down over $5,000 she owed for damaging a friend’s car. She said she struggled with depression and anxiety and got no treatment for her alcoholism. “I was in a really, really dark place,” she said. ERIC J. SHELTON/MISSISSIPPI TODAY, REPORT FOR AMERICA After hearing about this and reading about this for a few months, I don’t feel so good. Strangely so, too, I remember thinking about this years back when Obama was running for his first term. I remember seeing all of these store closings and around the same time, I remember seeing the city surveying and laying down pipelines a long the county and I was thinking, something is wrong with our economy. I remember feeling that ‘they’ were going to go after its’ own citizens. I remember how many people were walking into Black low-income subsidized communities and rounding people up to vote and seeing them standing at strip malls with clipboards approaching people to vote and walking up to peoples’ houses and saying that Obama was for women’s rights and etc. And, I felt that we were in for a strange change.

I understand it's sexy to blame the black church for everything one dislikes about black people or our decision-making, but the facts usually prove religion-haters wrong. Okay, thank you FAS. Yes, this seems to be true, too. I absolutely believe in Church and I believe that there will always be a core Church and believers in God. Again thank you FAS.

Ha ha! Thank you! Thank you for your honesty. And, the worse approach we can do as ADOS is to give in to that form of Colorism. I don't know 'how many times' it has been a light skinned sista or biracial woman who has combated racism and colorism more so than darker skinned women in my experience. And, I honestly believe that many of us don't know how conditioned we are when it comes to viewing White men as being the pinnacle of success. I came out of that mindset, but yeah, I had to come out of it. For the sistas that can seperate Colorism from the issue and embrace White Love, I think that is awesome, but I feel that if we deny that we have been conditioned by this system, then that is the problem. I am not surprised. As I said earlier, I have been flooded with this kind of behavior from the women in my family, so much so, that I don't even want to be around them. They are so obsessed with White men and fair skinned men, it is crazy. But most of them have married or have sons from 'Black' men that are dark skinned and they talk this way around their sons, my relatives. It's so crazy. And, furthermore, they pretty much dare me to have a different opinion. They don't show this behavior to everyone though. They are so two-faced. And, I did look back at some of the topics on Lipstick Alley, and yes, it's just as I have seen before. I do applaud those Black women for sticking together and having that forum though, but, nevertheless, as you allude to, they----WE---- are still headed up by a White system, and therefore, in order to have this Black site, publicly, we have to agree to a lot of filth and movie star gossip and etc. So, I was sure that I was going to be seeing topics about Kim Kardashian and Beyonce and Rhianna and etc. ... I was sure that I was going to see a lot of bold White people make blatant comments in this forum-- I feel that racist people take advantage of Black females more so than they do Black men. They think they can say whatever they want around us, and we don't mind, we welcome it!? I will not hesitate to back a sista up though, as I do on another forum, and she at times, jumps right in and back me up BIG TIME! But, again, I feel that I get a lot of racist blatant statements from racist views and 'they' seem to assume that we Black females will always accept it. It really makes me angry.

[9] Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. ZECHARIAH 5:9. So, the prophet Zechariah wrote about the prophecy of the coming of the Roman Empire of whose foundation was set up based on the Greco-Roman forces that were predominantly Original ‘Black’ Shem and Ham [ie Canaanite-Phoenicians], and the worship of Cybele represented by Black Greco-Canaanite OPPRESSED women. This method of Black subjugation was repeated in the set up of the American Colonies. Black women were enslaved as little girls and conditioned to obsess over their White Slave Masters and Mistresses. They cared for little White children and naturally, they would develop a bond and this kind of natural affection that mostly all women possess was used to subdue Black women, but in this process, they also developed a sense of self-hatred towards their own seed. Black slave women were not allowed to care for and nurture their own Black and Brown offspring as they did towards the White children. This process of conditioning goes way back before Zechariah though, a history that has been repeated and repeated over thousands of years. Therefore, the prophet places the blame on the Matriarchal System that was allowed to set up in Black Africa and for allowing this form of White Supremacy to set up again and again. So, he used THE STORK to prophesy of the set up of the Roman Empire because in the Pentateuch, the stork, symbolized abomination. In other passages, the prophets write that the priesthood should not accept this type of ‘Black/White’ woman into the priesthood that has been conditioned in this way. Zechariah wrote this prophecy hundreds of years before the rise of the Roman Empire, again, because it has been a repeated process and led to the downfall of Nimrod’s Babylon [Greater Babylon] and then etc. So, the coming of the Roman Empire and the future great empire would be termed based on Greater Babylon that initially formed in the land of Shinar [present-day Iraq]. THE STORKS & the Woman in the Ephah This is the whole chapter in Zechariah: ZECHARIAH CHAPTER 5: Zech.5 [1] Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. [2] And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. [3] Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: ... ****MN-- The FLYING ROLL in the shape of a rectangular scroll is symbolic of the land that the Roman Empire set up as its' HEAD. ***** [4] I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof. **** MN-- My Note - This is the prophecy of the future War of Armeggadon**** [5] Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. [6] And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. *****MN-- My Note - This is THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST. The Ephah is a measure of unit. It is defined as a 3-dimensional object; the shape of a barrel or bathtub. ***** [7] And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. [8] And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. *****MN-- Lead or Pb [ie Plumbum] was the symbol for the Roman Empire. Lead was used to make pipes that went into the bath houses and etc. in Rome. the woman, in the ephah represents White Supremacy-- the Roman Empire-- A Matriarchal government. ***** [9] Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. [10] Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? [11] And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base. ZECHARIAH 5 *****MN-- The [1] Greco and [2] Roman Blacks that were exploited to set up the Roman Empire.

@Troy I absolutely believe you. Where Black women are in charge in a White Dominated government that is over their heads, you better believe that you won't find any other kind of venture that will be better than that! However, I am not kind of Black woman that can't stomach so much White Love in a supposedly Black House. I absolutely believe in White Love and diversity, but due to my upbringing and having to hear most of my female relatives obsess over White men and speak this way around their Black and Brown sons, made me sick. They only married Black AFrican men because they could not get a White or fair skinned man.

Oh yes. You are a minority. But, I can absolutely relate. These are the Biblical analogy of the Two Storks of Zechariah 5, that are the foundation of the Greco-Roman Empire. This is the foundation of the Slave yard development in America. The Black/White woman- Mammy Slave mentality. Unfortunately, many Black men come from this early conditioning and have been effiminized, so they also will not be a sound voice for Black Africa. These type of Black men are nurtured from this foundation, and because of the deep secret self-hatred that stems from their mothers, they hurt Black females, but still worship their mothers. Years ago, I scanned that site, and got the same feeling that you speak of, and so, I have not been back. REally? Well, still, I am so not interested based on what I saw a few years back.

The wisdom of the crowd! It's fleeting still though. We are existing in a moment and facebook will not be leading in the future, so for me, following the crowd who tends to believe in lies is completely fruitless. I look for truth. I listen critically to whatever comes up on the table though, but if it has no weight, I don't waste time delving into it. Right now, even though I will continue to absorb information from Black forums, I know that Massa is always looking so, I contribute, but I am not naive on that score. Therefore, I have started to gear up to writing a book myself and publish some of my research, especially on my family background which seems interesting to me. I saw a White 'write up' on my Great grandmother, because it turns out that she was also his Great grandmother. This guy, upholds the Confederate pathway and uphold the rebel flag. He wrote that my Great grandmother was an adult when she gave birth to an half-white son, however, due to my relatives who are still living, I realize that this was a complete lie. My aunt lived to know my Great-grandmother and was about 10 years old when she was still living and lived for more years beyond that time. So, the White guy wrote that his White-great grandfather fell in love with my Great grandmother. He wrote that he was indeed a slaveholder who was married to his White wife and had five children, and he admitted that my Great-grandmother and also, his, was indeed Black. However, he also tried to script her to be from Free Blacks living in the Deep South at this time too. Now, based on my aunt and other relatives, how can the White man, slaver, fall in love with a 12 year old child!? My relatives said she came off of the slave ship when she was 'a baby' and my research turned up the very slave port that she came through. But what this White rebel flag guy doesn't realize is that the very Free BLacks he attempts to script her to be from, is also my father side of the family. My father and uncles tell me the exact same story, that he wrote about the Free Blacks and took me to the very land, these Free Blacks owned and still today own!!! So yeah, I am thinking about writing my own book. I am not flattered by Facebook and all of the other people exploiting subjects in order to thrive. But I hope that Black business will still fight back though.

@Maurice Oh yes! Sometimes when I listen to some of that music, I feel as though I wish that time would just stand still... For me, that time period was like a golden age of music-- so free spirited.

I am pessimistic about this thought. I don't really think it matters now, what Black Americans think about his 8-year of indoctrinating us into being the facebook for homosexual-pedo culture. And because of the overwhelming vote -- to vote on the basis of COLORISM-- now we are hit with this Trump mess. We should have never been convinced to vote for a 'COLORED MAN' to represent all that being African descent includes. What a trick. We should have petitioned for issues that support Black American issues, and not vote for 'an idol' to put forth these issues. I've heard it said or reported that 90% of the Chruch voted for him, but -- what a contradiction. With one sweep, Obama convinced the Black Church to abandon their faith in exchange for him. I am a believer in 'the kingdom' form of government and not a Matriarchal format, and therefore, this kind of system absolutely strikes against THE PRIESTHOOD form of government-- that is why HOMOSEXUALITY is a must! I do not agree. But now that is how the Black Church voted, so -- oh well, -- The scriptures define the government of the Church, and the Church cannot change the scriptures. THE PRIESTHOOD COMES FIRST. No matter, the scriptures also say too, that there must be a great falling away before the end times can happen. I don't hate president Obama -former president Obama, but I loathe his beliefs on homosexuality, because for Blacks, it starts with pedophilia, historically. I admire his passion to help Black people, but his position is all wrong when he struck down the priesthood.

@Del Gracious Peace! That is amazing man! WOW! I love it! I sure hope so. I kind of sense this too, as @Troy also said. I feel we need change, but change for the better. This is interesting. I find I fall into even number patterns a lot, however, my men folk seem to flow with a odd number pattern.

@Pioneer1 Okay, I will read over this forum ad get back to it. I'm too busy to give it thought right now.

I did not know this! prison may have altered his peace. Really. I didn't know this either. Yes, I can't really understand all what he has done, because it seems slipped under 'other's' agendas. So, I feel like the ramification of his 8 years in office will unfold by and by. serious contradictio! They have made up their version of 'a Christia god that would accept homosexuality'.

Oldies but goodies!

NOw, I'm wondering why?

The reason why I love this community has to do with the book aspect of it too-- Black Books.

White Aetheist and Black Aetheist agree on this! LOL! We need to examine the script that was used in European Colonialism. We need to examine the script and determine why Jesus is today, depicted as 'White Jesus' because this is obviously wrong. We need to examine the script so understand how this system set up on their version of Christianity and then SEPARATED from it [Separation of Church and State] on July 4, 1776 and now today, we have homosexualism as a federal law. BAIT AND SWITCH. If this was a White religion, they would not have separated from it. Good topic, because well, this is the season; Christmas-- right!? This is when the baby Jesus was born-- right? LOL.

@Kareem Me too. I never heard of him until he was dead! But, I feel that his movement was on point. Although he died young, I feel that his life was very complete. He had a hard life, a high school drop out and then he became a millionaire. He really focused on 'cutting out the middle man' in finances and etc. Oh yes. It would not surprise me at all. I think I heard that he was suppose to have a meeting with the LA police force about stopping gang violence the day before he was killed. And, I hope Laura London will be comforted. Yes, that was another one of Nipsey's focus. He campainged hard, even in his music about Black relationships! @Troy I agree. It has been devastating. We are flooded with so much celebrity 'this and that'! NOw, today we also have so many Black celebrities too, and at first, say yes--it's about time, but then, this too, is a distraction in some ways. It takes away from issues that I feel we need to address but are not. I get so distracted myself, but nevertheless, I still try to limit myself. In the very nature of this thread, if I constantly read celebrity news and get caught up into media hype, it can get down right depressing. Instead of being 'the focus' in every day day-to-day things going on around my own surroundings, I sometimes find myself looking at someone elses' life too long, and then lose focus my own human presence. It's sickening. I wish there were community venues, Black people affairs, that were promoted nearby, then I would have to stop watching media and go and attend and be around people!