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@Delano No, I must have missed it! Where is it?

@Pioneer1 Here is a pic and some refeences about the Ararat Mountains of which, again are located in East Turkey. These mountains have been well scripted in ancient times, and are distinct from the Caucasus systems, Mt. Olympus way over in Europe and even other mountain systems in Turkey: MOUNT ARARAT is today called Agri Dagi and is a part of the Kackar Mountains. Other ancient scripts called this mountain Urartu. Presently, the nearest city is Erzurum Ararat, MountMount Ararat, viewed from Turkey.© Vladislav Jirousek/Dreamstime.com Kackar mountains Mount Ararat, Turkish Agri Dagi, volcanic massif in extreme eastern Turkey, overlooking the point at which the frontiers of Turkey, Iran, and Armenia converge. ... https://www.britannica.com/place/Mount-Ararat … Turkey’s highest mountain, Mount Ararat (Agri), reaches 16,945 feet (5,165 metres) close to the borders with Armenia and Iran. … https://www.britannica.com/place/Turkey#ref482388 @Pioneer1 Here is a reference for the Lesser Caucasus system. It does not connect to Ararat but in Northeast Turkey, there are mountains that are nearer to it: The Lesser Caucasus mountain system does not have a single continuous mountain range. It consists of four main parts: ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Caucasus Lesser Caucasus, also called Caucasus Minor is second of the two main mountain ranges of Caucasus mountains, of length about 600 km (370 mi). The western portion of the Lesser Caucasus overlaps and converges with the high plateau of Eastern Anatolia, in the far northeast of Turkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Caucasus The Ararat mountains systems are below the Pontic mountains and etc. The Ararat systmes are extreme East, as I said earlier, the ARmenian history, initally is connected to the Caucasus cultures, but later, yes, the Cholchians did migrate southwest to Turkey. There is nothing in script that links Mt. Ararat to the early stories of the Caucasus people. The Lesser Caucasus shares a border with ARmenia as I did say before.

@Pioneer1 In Texas, or in that part of Texas, he was definitely White--Lily White. The high school was predominantly White and Mexican, almost 50% for both, with only a very small minority of Black students. However, the Black community was very strong. A lot of the Black students were well rounded students, and a significant aspect of the school programs, such as the sports programs, and the marching band and etc. The Black community did not rely only on the school programs for their children, but had a strong community base. The different Church communities would come together and have social functions for the Black kids. They would pass out invitations for social functions like 'dances', 'recitals', beauty competitions, and etc. and there was always a big attendance. They would send buses, vans, and cars, around the community to pick up students for these functions and different churches would host certain affairs. It was one of the best experiences of my life. There was a lot of confidence amongst the Black kids in this community.

LOL, this situation sounds like what Stever Harvey told Monique. He told her, [paraphrasing] 'Monique, this is rich people's problem. When Cosby paid her off, she definitely wasn't poor, well, for me, I would have been rich! LOL. But I guess, for her, it was not enough money to keep her quiet for ever. ARe you serious!? Well, come to think of it, I think this is a significant issue! But, I also think that those other women were deceptive too. They seem to have wanted something out of these sexual relationships, especially if he didn't have to really drug them. They went along with it, and knowing that he was creepy. That's why I do not understand why it seems, all of a sudden, they went after him like that. Are you kidding!? I didn't know that she continued to see him and after being paid a large sum. But tecnically though, it doesn't matter how much money he paid her, he was wrong. But what crime? If it was consensual, then what crime did Cosby commit? Was the charge, drugging his victims without their knowledge? That would be a crime because, a person could die from having a bad reaction to certain drugs. I think I answered my own question. I really didn't follow the case.

So true! On this score @Mel Hopkins I have stories of abusive nurturers, nurturers who have abused little Black boys, and took it out on their sons due to their bad experiences with Black men, and I believe this too, is a part of the problem in this world. I don't believe that Patriarchal system is only to blame for racism.

LIke I said, she was referring to her husband, . . . who chose her! That's her personal choice. But I understand that you are saying that she picked him because he was White. @Pioneer1 I feel that you are cherry picking. You are ignoring her statements in how she had bad relationships with previous men, that were Black. Now, I am going to read into this statement, because I can relate, as a BLack woman; I feel that I know where she is coming from, in that in many cases, Black men do not respect Black women, and that is putting it mildly!!! I don't understand why you are conveniently ignoring this truth!!! But as for me, yes, I have found a BLack man that, though not perfect in the beginning, but adores me, is kind to me, and etc. I have had many positive relationships with Black men and so, I personally, made a hard decision that I wanted to marry a Black AFrican-typed man or else, I was simply not going to get married. But, I tell you, I see several Black women married to White and other men, and they are a match, for certain. @Pioneer1 Well, I have to say, that when I hear Black men justify Black women, negatively as the reason they want White women, I do NOT like it at all. But, I would never attack someone personally, who has stated that he had bad relationships, was treated badly, and etc. This too, is true, IMO. There are some Black women that behave very disrespectful to Black men. I makes me cringe. Oh but yes you are. You are putting this label on her, IMO.

@Pioneer1 You are way out of line! And you are completely off point. REgarding Black men that are homosexual, that is their choice so, what business is it of mine? I thought I said this before, but if I have not; I have a male friend who seemed to me to be homosexual, although, I never troubled him to ask at the time, but I later heard that he actually was and began to dress as a female and he changed his name. This young fellow, never knew his father since he was born. His father was imprisoned and so, he was raised by his grandmother. I have also heard Black homosexuals that were molested when they were little children and these are just two situations that causes me to not be judgmental, at all!!! So yes, to answer your question, I will defend BLack homosexuals, generally speaking. But, PIoneer, how dare you equate homosexuals to Black women who, for what ever reason, choose to be in an interracial relationship! You gotta nerve! I did not defend 'Black women' who call White men better than BLack men. As I said, earlier, This man chose to marry Mel, and so, they both chose to commit to a marriage. I didn't get that same understanding as you, in that she 'calls White men better than Black men'. I understand that her past relationships with Black men were not good, and the man that she married came along and she feels that he was 'the Best Man' for her. I think that you are reading into her explanation too deep. I can understand why Black men would jump to this conclusion that you have, but, now, you are accusing me, and I didn't even make that choice. Wow! @Pioneer1 I feel that Black Homosexuals and Black men and women that engage in inter-racial relationships are not counter-productive to the progress of BLack society as the primary focus, but I feel that it is how the government exploits and uses many ploys and these 'groups' tht you mention may or may not fall into that category depending on the individuals. ANd I feel the the destruction of the Black family began a long time ago, when White Supremacist systems were able to set up. Were these systems able to set up due to our ancestors? I say yes, but when Black people attack other Black people as a solution to the problem is so wrong. Ah!!! See, you completely ignored my defense regarding your reaction to 'Arianne Grande'! Now this is interesting. I see your behavior as being 'White Supremacist' in this case for the initial reason and now, also in that you completely avoided addressing this subject. You only continue to berate Black women. This is amazing. So White women can be in your environment and Black men can flirt with them, but Black women are to wear clothes covering themselves from the head-to-toe, with the exception of the eyes, vis-a-vis the Muhammad Ali, reference you posted!? Ah!!!

@Pioneer1 The Caucasus mountains are NOT in Mt Ararat! That is crazy! I suppose you think all of the colleges all over the world are wrong!? There is no dispute. They are both completely separate mountain chains. The Caucasus mountain chains are in another country. Mt. Ararat mountain chains begins in East Turkey. There is no historical document that will place the Caucasians in East Turkey as an origin. But, if you have a reference, I would like to see this. This is historical and has not changed since ancient civilizations have scripted these locations. You don't have go in circles with me, LOL. Please quote a reference for this. I know you won't be able to do that, but again, I am asking. LOL. Thank you!!! I tell you that the Colchians and the Caucasians are one and the same!!! The Colchians are also scripted at the time of the 12th Dynasty pharaoh and these people are well documented to be Black [ie Egyptians].

To Guest Poster, Thank you for this statement. Another great comment and in my experience this happens in so many other ways too! I remember when I was in high school for two years in Texas before my father was transferred to another state, how one day, over the intercom, the principal announced a new school rule-- even though, I did not do this, it was happening, but for a reason: He said that 'no one was allowed to come to school with hair rollers. LOL. Now, at this time, I didn't need to do this because my mother said she had gotten tired of dealing with my sisters and me and our Nappy hair, so out of the blue, she drove us to her friend a beautician, sat us down in the chair and we were all given 'RELAXERS'. Trouble was, at this time, relaxers were kind of new and, well, it really wasn't a relaxer for BLack AFrican Hair, but it was really 'A PERM'. So, our hair became brittle and eventually, short. But in texas, a lot of black girls still wore the large afros but, the climate in Texas is horrible on natural hair in the morning. So a lot of Black girls would cover their hair rollers with scarves and then to into the cool building bathroom, take the rollers out and all was well. So, the Black students voiced their opinions, loudly in this way: And, I was a witness to this occurrence, every day, all throughout the day. Every time I went into the bathroom, my eyes would burn and tears would flow. I would cough and this is because, many of the White girls at this time, were obssessed with 'THE FARAH FAUCETTE HAIRDO' and in order to hold this style, they would bring cans and cans of hair spray, go into the bathroom and spray and spray and spray!!! LOL. So, when the principal made the new school rule against the Black girls, this was their defense!!! No one even gave it a thought about what the White girls were doing, but all the negative attention went towards the Black girls who wanted to rock the big Jayne Kennedy fro. So, while I do believe that there should be some type of standard and I would not like it if this 'free choice' included Black men suddenly styling thier hair with relaxers as @NubianFellow so amazingly showed the other viewpoint, I do feel that Black women are attacked more than anyone else.

@Pioneer1 No, let's not look at the wording. It's like, you are attacking! IMO, you are missing the point here, @Mel Hopkins was married. This man married her and acknowledge her life, and this means that not only did she choose him, but he chose her! How beautiful. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: In your mind the bar or standard has been raised to the level of this White man so by default no Black man can compare. That was her husband!!! The two of them deserve an opportunity to work this out without being attacked for issues that ALL OF US--THE WHOLE WORLD HAS TO DEAL WITH. Pioneer, it's like you are reading into this too much. Get Off Mel!!! When a past debate came up about 'a particular non-Black young woman' Ms. Ariande Grande, I don't remember you attacking her--IN THE WAY THAT SHE DRESSED-- Umh... Did you give her a pass, even though she showed up in a predominantly Black funeral affair dressed like she was going to a bar? But you think that we, Black women should receive scrutiny from Black men who feel they have the 'masculinity' and right to 'check' Black women for wearing spandex, and blonde hiar and such. @Pioneer1 Isn't that what you are doing? It is as if you are trying to make Mel's statement the blueprint for what you believe others have done. I feel your assessment is mis-directed.

I don't think America will ever be prepared to really know what a person like me thinks about this issue initially. I am screaming inside because when I hear about these Me Too cases, I stuck on about 200+ years of the kind of Me Too stories about Slave Masters and etc. that will never be brought to light in this AMerican court that way that it has been for these women!!! Do I have Me Too stories . . . smh. smh. smh. ... Me!? Get retribution!? LOL. What a joke. But yeah, these stories are horrible!!! HIs last statement-- WOW!!! Creepy. He seems to have demoralized these women! Did he pay them money, or did they get some kind of gain way back when this happened to try and keep them quiet? Has he admitted to any of these acts in court? BAsed on my personal experiences, I don't have much faith in this court system, but, why would these women lie? I am beginning to think they are telling the truth.

This is how I feel too. But, I know that Bill Cosby was wrong, but to be thrown in jail, Oh I mean -- prison. Yes, this shocked me too!

The earliest written record does mark the Caucasians in East Turkey though, but their names are well marked in Cunieform script of the Sumerians. But, they were not originally defined as being white.

@Pioneer1 There are at least 3 different mountains chains and much more. The Greater and Lesser Caucasus are chains absolutely not connected to the Ararat mountain chains of East Turkey-Anatolia. The Caucasus lies to the northeast of East Turkey. And there are also other major mountain chains that also have a distinct history such as the ones that mark the boundaries of Armenia [The Sephar mountain chains]. These are separate mountain chains. White people taking over Black kingdoms? What date? I agree but this occurred over a very long period of time and not right away. @Pioneer1 That map you presented is distorted and does not show the reality The Caucasus Peoples are not near East Turkey mountain ranges. Again, the Caucasus lies to the Northeast of East Turkey. And then, there are the Armenian mountain ranges; more than one. IN THIS MAP, it does not even show the norther landscape of Turkey-Anatolia and the well known PONTIC MOUNTAIN RANGES. It would be the Armenian Mountain ranges that are more southerly to the Caucasus than the country of East Turkey.

@Pioneer1 Mt Olympus and the Greece mythis are based on Turkey Anatolia and the ancient conflicts they had with TROY. That time period would be distinct. There is nothing that puts Mt Olympus stories in the Caucasus mountains stories in any script that I have heard about before the Greeks left the Caucasus mountains, as you state. There is nothing that ties this name 'Olympus' to any script in connection to the Caucasus that I have heard about. So you are saying that the origin of 'Caucasus' is where? You are saying that the origin of Mt Olympus is the Caucasus but you don't explain the transition. ARe you saying that the Caucasians look the same as the Greeks? More importantly; If you believe that the mythical story of NOah and his sons migrated down from the Caucasus, how does this tie into the story of Noah and his sons migrating down from MT ARARAT? So, there are three different mountain ranges: 1. The Caucasus 2. Mt. Olympus and, 3. Mt Ararat All three of these ranges are in distinct locations. What was Mt. Olympus called before you say that the Greeks came and named it? According to their stories and myths, the Greek presence and how they displaced the original 'BLACK RESIDENCE' occurred around 2000 BC. So what were these mountains called before the Caucasians that you say came, a time that when ancient Egypt, ancient Babylon, and ancient Assyria, ancient Mesopotamia and etc. existed, and when the Trojan wars were fought? What was the distinction? So, this is what I am also pondering; Script was originated in BLACK LANDS, so where do these names come from, 'Greece', 'Caucasians', 'Mt Olympus', and 'Ararat'. I thought the term 'Greece' was some kind of 'exonym', a description of them by others. Therefore, these written myths that were eventually written, may have stemmed from these people being a part of an early BLACK CIVILIZATION where script was mastered. This is why, I have a problem with your calling the Caucasians, WHITE and originating in a White land. They had to have come from a BLACK ORIGIN, whether it is the Caucasus mountains, Mt. Ararat or Mt. Olympus. The Greeks nor the Caucasians could have been the originators of these words.

Sad, but true. Yeah, I agree, but then eventually, even Berry Gordon, as you mentioned, lost some of his stars to the White industry. It seems like a lot of Black rich folk who may get the upper hand, eventually are bought out too. So, ultimately, Black people cannot keep that kind of contro continually, and maybe that is what happened to Monique. Steve told her that she was mad about 'a rich people issue' and a way of saying that poorer people don't want to hear her complaint. Monique may feel deeply wronged when Neflix gave the other actress 13 million but only gave her half a million, but we may never know why Neflix did this, whether on merit or if they just didn't like Monique's performance, or as she feels, was 'Inequality' based on her being Black. It seems like that she was dropped kicked by Neflix and in turn, she was dropped by the Black stars because they didn't want to be done in like her. So, they abandoned her and Steve explained this to her as Troy said. But, what I wonder is, did Neflix do her in because of her performance being poor or what?

Man! Well, he might feel he must say this due to him being thrown in with the General population. He has to become a part of that environment and for him to say that he did not like it, might not be good for him. He has to take orders from the prison guards and such. This is so surreal.

I go agree in part, but the Egyptians I don't think that the Egyptians gave them Greek and Roman mythology. Yes, I agree in part. No, this is absolutely wrong because Mt. Ararat is far from the Caucasus Mountians. There is a huge expance between Mt. Ararat which is in East Turkey and the Caucasus Mountains. Again, I agree in part about Black people, being equated to the Older gods, but the word 'TITAN' refers to White idols. And again, Mt Olympus in Greece is far, far away from the Caucasus mountains. NO, this too is not the correct correlation of which may be easy to see in reference to HAM. Ham is equated in the worship of the god RAM which was a prevalent worship system in Africa. And, JapHeth is equated to the east, not in the land of the Greeks. However, many of his descendants came from the east. They migrated to the west and became a part of Greek civilizations and Hamitic civilizations. So , ZEUS would equate to Shem, Apollo-Zeus equated to JapHeth, and the Ram was equated to Ham. @Pioneer1 Have you looked at a map to see the distance between Greek lands and the Caucasus mountains? There is a huge expanse between the two. @Cynique Yes. Absolutely. Eve I agree. TAking the Bible as literal without being able to contrast and compare with other accounts about this time period is a big mistake. Yes, LOL, I have. I don't think the Bible should be read like an ongoing script because there are different accounts written about the same event in other books in the Bible, but more importantly, by other writers from other civilizations.

@Cynique I commented in the other thread in response to your question. I believe that BROTHER--HALF-SISTER WIVES was common at that time period. The Biblical Noah & his wife was a Brother-Sister bond based on my research. Abraham & his wife was a Brother--half-sister bond. But based on the reactionof NOah, a Mother-son bond was defined as an abomination, and Father-Daughter bond was also an abomination and this is born out with scientific proof as well. There was definitely many other kinds of hominids in the Northeast, fareast, and Tanzania [Eden] based on what I understand, but the DNA was faulty at a certain time period prior to the presence of the Nappy-headed mankind. Cain bonded with his half-sister according to my research. Cain's wife was a mark for the presence of other kinds of hominids as she was an hybrid. Seth bonded with 'the daughters of Cain' so says the script. Did the African mankind intermix with other kinds of species? Absolutely.

I just hear that Bill Cosby was just put in GENERAL POPULATION in prison. Wow!

Steve Harvey, Monique & the Neflex Controversy A two-part video popped up yesterday on Bing about a heated conversation between Steve Harvey and Monique. Even though I did not follow this story about Monique that happened some time ago, I did hear about it. And so, now after the videos aired, I understand it better. It seems that Monique claimed that she had been Black-listed [ie Black balled] a few years back and she became upset and made some comments against, Steve Harvey, Ophrah Winfrey, Lee Daniels and Whoopi Goldberg. Prior to this incident, apparently Monique became angry because after some kind of performance, she was only paid half a million dollars by Neflex, but on the other hand, they paid another White actree 13 million dollars. So, after this occurrence, Monique made an appeal to boycott Neflex and it was this claim that led to the conflict that she believe caused her to be Black-listed. After watching the video, I really don't know what to think, but it was interesting. Will Monique make a comeback? I don't know.

@Pioneer1 And I also want to add too, about the DATABLE RECORDS of this Roman Supreme god-- Jupiter. Prior to the Roman Empire, and prior to the Roman Republic period, and also prior to the time of ROME-ETRUSCA, this god JUPITER was not the main idol. It was only after the Greek Classical Age when White people began to reconstruct all of the ancient idols that eventually, the name JUPITER became prominent. Priot to the Roman Empire and during the age of the ancient Black civilizations when Asiatic people came FROM THE EAST and infiltrated the Old Mediterranean World, their supreme idols had different names. ** the god AN was most supreme when the Assyrians overthrew Greater Babylon. ** And then for thousands and thousands of years the Original people of JapHETH, meaning, BLACK JAPS, migrated to the east and became a part of the Black civilizations and they worshiped JAPHETH as THE GOD APOLLO [ie JAP-OLLO] and Apollo-Zeus. ** When the White Greek--IONIANS came about and after the ETRUSCANS were overthrown during the 500s BC, this was the time when ancient White people demolished old temples in Italy of APOLLO and soon, again in the 500s BC, the god JUPITER became popular.

@Troy Based on the simple definition that I can grasp about 'Quantum physics, how can I be skeptic? The ancient word for 'science' was 'magic' simply because many people did not understand certain issues so, it the common people, it was magic, but to the MAGICIANS in the high courts of ancient civilizations, it was science. For example 'THE BURNING BUSH' well, to a common person they might use this as a basis to think that this is 'fantasy' but to me who understands that this directly correlates to our today's SATELLITES, TELEVISIONS and etc. that is so easy for me to understand. But no, I do not understand how someone 'Jesus' could 'walk through a wall', sit down at the table of the disciples and then vanish, but I see this 'magic' on TV all of the time, so I don't see how I could be skeptic. I used to love to watch the sitcome 'BeWitched' and 'I Dream of Jeannie' in which a lot of this kind of camera 'MEDIUM' was used to show these 'magic phenomena'. Even though I don't understand how 'microwave ovens' came to be, this modern invention, this would be another example of why I can't be skeptic about someone 'walking through a wall'. So, I do wonder if this ancient writing has something to do with Quantum Physics, but 'skeptic', I am not. The way the story goes, is that earlier in the morning, he told Mary NOT to touch him yet, because he was not fully 'Resurrected' [what ever that means! lol] an then later, he walked through the wall and then vanished. That sounds like it might have something to do with Quantum PHysics, IMO. But one of the most interesting 'inventions' today that supposedly happened in the 1950s that also makes me think about this is THE REMOTE CONTROL. Does this have anything to do with Quantum PHysics, I wonder. @NubianFellow But isn't this the very problem, in how many Black men have shown us otherwise? Again, this is the very problem. The standards that many Black men have had was NOT for us, the Black woman. It has become so common, it is joked about in so many films and sitcoms.

@Pioneer1 Oh Absolutely!!! I am surprised that you know this.

Mets-physics is another one that's way over my head! LOL. Based on my research and understanding, Abel was not noted for having a wife, however when it comes to Cain, I think the wife mentioned and his son mentioned signifies that his older 'half-sister' [ie she was hybrid, meaning intersexed] was the wife that fathered his son. ANd the conflict that occurred between Cain and Abel [ie HEBEL] was about that wife. If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. GENESIS 4:7. Based on my research, the 'Sin' that was hanging around both of the brothers was 'Shebelle', their older sister and their was strife between them over her. She introduced Cain to being 'a tiller of the ground', meaning both agriculture and Metalurgy... stone, pottery works, statues... Cain became the 'ruler over that civilization. He contributed his Y-DNA to the eastern way of life. Were there other people on earth at this time period, yes, but the reproduction was faulty up until the Black AFrica people became a part of the earth. Shebelle, Cabel, and Hebel [ie Abel], Seth [ie Ethbel/Ethbaal] -- the beginning of Bel worship & Baal worship