Chevdove

@Gibran You have done a lot of research! Hopefully though, you will continue to confirm and write! In the past, even now, I have had the privelege of sitting at the table with Black men, some of whom are scholars and have been encarcerated, and I have been a help to them as they remind me of you! Many of them are very well learned, and much more serious about getting at the truth than others. There were no so called white people in Egypt until Alexander the Great conquered it. If you go back much farther in time, way back before Alexander the Great, way back before Moses, you will see that, indeed, there were many WHITE PEOPLE in Africa and ancient Egypt. If you google NOFRET and her husband RAHOTEP, you will see that they existed thousands of years even before Moses' time. Nofret was White and Rahotep was REDDISH as he was the bi-cultural [ie bi-racial] son of Seneferu. Seneferu was a Theban king, who overthrew the 3rd Dynasty. Seneferu bonded with various women, and White women [ie Asiatics] and this later caused a civil crisis due to his sons fighting over who would be next in line for the throne of Egypt. Also, if you google AMEN-THE-UNIFIER, who came before the 3rd dynasty, their were many white people [ie Asiatics] in Africa. In fact, that was the very reason why he warred. He defeated them in the North and unified all of Egypt. But later, he too, bonded with an Asiatic woman and this eventually led to Seneferu, who overthrew the 3rd dynasty. So what you are overlooking, is the intense issue of COLORISM, that was a definite part of ancient Egypt for thousands of years. Joseph looked so much like an Egyptian, having adopted their dress and customs that his brothers had no idea who he was. If Joseph would have been white, his brothers would have immediately picked him out among the black folks, but that was not the case. ... These were all brothers, as black as the ace of spades. ... His name was Isaac whose father was Abraham, also black. Don’t forget about Abraham as we will need to look at him again later. @Gibran I agree that Joseph looked like the Egyptians but what you are not recognizing is the issue of COLORISM that plagued Africa at that time, and even long before. Although Isaac was definitely 'Black-typed' however, he was not 'black as the ace of spades' because of his mother who was very light skinned. But, I agree about Abram [ie Abra-HAM] being very dark skinned; Black. Joseph was brown skinned and Moses was very, very fair skinned, based on my understanding of the words in context. Also, this reference is very faulty in comparison to other scholars: Here is the passage from Zondervan taken from online: {“Ham: The youngest son of Noah, born probably about 96 years before the Flood; and one of eight persons to live through the Flood. He became the progenitor of the dark races; not the Negroes, but the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans and Canaanites.” – Zondervan Bible Dictionary[ As even you have said!!!--Ham could NOT have been the only progenitor of the dark races; but so was SHEM!!! This would mean that Noah was 'PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS' meanng, all of his sons were BLACK! It was the wives of Noah's son's that made the difference in the offspring in respect to distinct traits, not only skin coloring.

@Gibran Really!? I find this interesting. I think that it was around the AD 1500s when Michelangelo was living. Not sure. But also I believe that there was a deliberate movement that began around the AD 1300s when many Europeans began painting idols of Black African-typed ancient people 'white-faced'. The movement became known as the Rennaisance Age. We have always cozied up to the notion that we are the descendants of Africans, but nothing could be further from the truth. We simply look like them, and that is why we blended in so easily with them And that is why any time, the Hebrews, the Children of Israel, had trouble at home, we always fled to Africa to hide among them @Gibran Would it be fair to say that the reason why the Hebrews were not recognized in Africa is because they were INTERMIXED with AFRICANS? You see, it seems like a contradiction, here, when you say that the Hebrews, Jews are not AFRICANS but they looked like the Africans and Original Egyptians. The Africans were selling us, the Hebrews, into slavery. ... The Africans were fully aware of who we were and since we were not African, they had no scruples about selling us. In fact, the Africans despised us I absolutely agree, but here again, I don't think it should matter though, if the Jews are defined as being AFRICANS or NEGROES because, they had intermixed with these Africans. For me, it doesn't matter, but I agree with you, in that their is a absolute distinction in these terms! Also, just like JOseph was sold into slavery by his own brothers and relatives, the Jews were also doing the same during the Slave Ship Era!!! It is true though that Europeans lump all of us African-typed people together and made no distinctions. They went at the entire BLACK and AFRICAN presence in the world... even in Australia and etc.

Oh yes!!! Some of the African Americans that operate some churches are just as much as predators on our people as Americas' corporate world! WOW!!! I learned something new today.

@Gibran I agree-- I Think it is important to be an individual because of the uniqueness that people possess, individually,-- but when it comes to survival in this world, individualism has it limits. We would have to come together as a people, a culture, if we want to survive because of the genocidal attempts put against us continually. This somewhat speaks to something that evidently bothers Chevdove (and me 2) because it was then in our evolution that we started to pull the "Victim" card. Thank you!!! Black men have always been victimized, but when has anyone ever been listening? If no one could believe black men were getting lynched, who the hell was going to believe they were being molested, so they shut up. Until now, Well, it's time, it's been time a long time ago!!! No matter what their religious, political, or sexual preferences, if we are to achieve anything significant as a collective, then all black people must be included. When it comes to 'SEXUAL PREFERENCES', I have no problem with choices that adults make. I was literally kicked out of my home shortly after my college years because of my support of my male friends that were homosexuals. But, when it comes to the SILENT TREATMENT of PEDOPHILIA, this would be when I speak out! I will never accept this. In fact, this is the basis of all of my research and purpose. America began due to the enslavement of BLACK CHILDREN for the most part. Therefore, this issue needs to be addressed. Too many times, we as Black people love to deflect to how White Catholic priest are pedophiles and selectively ignore the issue of how this system has conditioned and encouraged Black adults to engage in pedophilia too. NO, we should not 'include this group'. We need to address both issues because this is how slavery was so well maintained. We are Shemites! YES!!! Yes, it is... I am!... I think anyway, that I am somewhat familiar with this subject.

@Delano Recently, I have not followed any personal stories, but when I did, all that I have heard from Black men who are homosexuals was that they had been molested when they were children or young; therefore, Delano, it this is the case, then, IMO, that should be the focus of our government. I do not understand, why there seems to be a HUSH over this issue of victimization. I even think I heard Don Lemon say this very thing. I think he said that he was molested when he was a child. Delano, that bothers me greatly.

@Pioneer1 What!? PRIMitive not only means FIRST but it also means PRIME or ideal LOL! You gotta be kidding.

@Pioneer1 LOL I thought it did; But maybe I did not make a conclusion. I will try to give another example later. For now, I will see if I can make a better conclusion regarding the example that I did offer. Can you provide for me CLEAR HISTORIC examples of how Black men not controlling their sexual appitite led to the downfall of their kingdoms and the enslavement of their people. I gave an example of the 18th Dynasty in ancient Egypt. I highlighted Thutmose III in his SEXUAL APPETITIE for Mittanian women over his own womankind. Then I said that he encouraged his son to do the same and he was worse. The two of them launched a major campaign agains the Original Egyptian royal women and even the grave of the Dowager of Thutmose III was desecrated. This obsession became more and more intense and many Mitannian and Asiatic women were brought into ancient Africa, Egypt, during these times. THE DOWNFALL OF THEIR KINGDOM The downfall of the 18th Dynasty was extremely dramatic. But as far as the residue of the Original Egyptians, I cannot say that, at that time, they were driven into slavery, but today we know this to be true! Back then though, the 19th Dynasty of the Ramasids deemed the 18th Dynasty to be 'a curse'. The pharaohs, I believe Ramasis II had King Tut's tomb covered up by constructing a workman's village overtop of it. Senemut, the ruler that took over after the death of the last pharaoh of the 18th dynasty, desecrated the tombs of some of the pharaohs. Today, that land is dominated by Arabs and the Original Egyptians have long since been driven south. During the time of Napoleon, many Nubians were captured and forced into slavery. A CLEAR HISTORIC EXAMPLE(S) I guess I could bring up another example. The 12th Dynasty too. Well, actually, I need to go back and get the actual pharaoh. But One of them had a harem and later, he was murdered by one of his wives because of the conflict over who would be the next pharaoh. Then, going back much farther to the 4th Dynasty, this happened again. And, it was an intense conflict over whose son would get the throne. But again, I would need to go back and get the references. However, I know more details about the 18th dynasty for now as it is fresh in my memory. I don't think that having multiple sexual partners worked back then like you think. bot "the breakdown of the black family stems not from white values but from those black people who lead a loose, multiple-partner lifestyle that"

@Gibran Something is wrong with this story here! You mean to tell me, that you feel guilty, but what about you father!? Did your sister say this to her father!? Why would a young Black boy at the age of 12 be conditioned--CONDITIONED-- by society and by Black women to feel guilty!? Why are Black boys made to feel as if they can fill the shoes of a grown man? My husband said some of these same things! LOL! He said he would fight and protect his sisters and ... got beat up sometimes LOL because his siters were older than him and therefore, he would fight older guys. LOL. And to continue this story though, his father-- My father-in-law-- was a 'Rolling Stone-- where ever he laid his hat was his home' --- LOL. He was NOT there for his sons and they learned a lot from the streets. Fast forward, they are being abused by the women in their family and made to feel guilty because they were not there for them--- MAN!!! I'm thinking-- Shouldn't these Black women be saying this to their father--husbands--Baby Daddies!!!??? They gave My father-in-law a PASS and never confronted him, at all!!! They idolized this man! I am not kidding you. Me and my husband went rounds on this issue. HIs self esteemed was so abused due to the women in his family putting unfair responsibilities on him and guess what!? He took it out on me and my sons--HIS SONS! @Troy LOL Have you ever watched the Maury Povich show!? Maybe not in this community, but I have seen 'crazy' want protection and idolization.

@Gibran WOW! You write well! And, I am looking forward to re-reading all that you wrote, in other threads too, because you have packed in a lot for me to grasp.

Your question was about my willingness to have sex with a woman who has multiple sexual partners, and I told you that I and other men do it all the time in this society. It's nothing new or unusual. @Pioneer1But, I was still though, making a comment in this regards about commitment and relationships.

@Pioneer1 If that is what you get from it, then that is okay. I think that your summation is surface though, and you are not looking at the deeper issues. Even though Europeans have mis-dated the records, and we today, cannot translate Egyptian heiroglyphs well, this ancient historical period is well documented. I RELY UPON SCHOLARS LIKE THE LATE Dr. HIBBARD and IVAN SERTIMA and I agree with his assessment about Nefertiti and etc. being 'a White' [ie ASSYRIAN WOMAN]. I only gave you one example and the 18th Dynasty is pivotal in the issue of WHITE SUPREMACY and COLORISM but there are much more ancient accounts that reach back thousands of years before this time period. For you to conclude that a White obssessed African pharaoh and a White obssessed African woman dignitary being put down as being justified for having gender hatred as valid, is not my assessment. But this type of history may help us to understand our issues today. I'm sure that wasn't your intended point, but that's what one would gather from it upon close examination. No, @Pioneer1, actually CLOSE EXAMINATION would involve you doing more research! If you look deeper into the history about this time period when Egypt was a dominant super power and civilization, you come to other conclusions. Did I lie about Hapshepsut's voyage to the 'land of Punt'!? No!!! Was this expedition well documented? YES. ARe there other references about the thousands of Syrian captives and Nubian captives being forced into Egypt during this time period? YES! Are there other records of the manual labors that went into raising these massive stone pillars of the Egyptians including Hatshepsut and etc. ? YES ARe there other records about STONE QUARRYING and how back breaking it was to have to take a hard obsidian rocka and POUND and POUND and POUND continually in order to carve a groove into bedrock to raise these pillars for the ancient Egyptians? YES Do you believe that the Egyptian servants that did this hard labor were White like Charlston Heston!? LOL Maybe you need to do some more close examination. Black-on-Black hatred and gender hatred was encouraged by White Supremacy but Black people have a definite part of our own destruction too. This is what I am highlighting.

Yeah, we are being mis-information via probably the Western World. This issue in Dahomey is not that much different than what is being reported about Keny all the way over in the eastern side of AFrica. IMO, a lot of these present day Matriarchal societies stem from White involvment with the Slave Ship Trade Era. Black African women have been so oppressed... and now... here comes the White world trying to offer ways to help these women combat conflicts that have arisen on a gender basis. I am saying this because of a recent video I watched and in it, there is Hilary Clinton in the midst. I absolutely understand all of the sides of this conflict in Kenya which this thread reminds me about. But what I want to know is just where does this horrible butchery come from in that Black African women are mutilated by Black AFrican men!? This is insane. Anyway, here is the video:

@Gibran Yes, absolutely! I think this is part of the problem. Thank you!II Jesus is just the Greek translation of the Hebrew Yashu or Yashua. The name "Joshua" is yet another translation of that same word "Yashua" Yes, I agree, but still 'the letter Y' is also a 'replacement letter' though too. For example, the words ASSYRIA and SYRIA. Both of these terms have been written in various ways, and all of the words are unique to the time period but the origin goes back to an ORIGIN. 'Assyria' today is not written this way in the Western World, but this is a deception. The Syria today still used the very same Flag as the Ancient Assyrians who had separated from their Syrian relatives based on Colorism. So; 'An Assyrian' means 'WHITE SYRIAN' [ie. As= White] but they come from the same oirigin as the Syrians: ASSHUR SHEM. 'A Syrian' is 'An ORIGINAL descendant of ASSHUR SHEM [ie. AS=White; he was part White!!!; part Canaanite], therefore, they were a darker skinned people. The Assyrians dominated over the Syrians for hundreds and hundreds of years. The Egyptians enslaved the Syrians but worshiped and elevated the Assyrians. So, the 'letter y' is a replacement letter here, but all of these terms within context can mean distinct meanings. The land of SHUR is the land of the Assyrians and Syrians in certain areas. Based on the scriptures, ABRAM [IE AMBRA-HAM] was told to separate from his father TErah because Terah clung to the Assyrians. So AbraHams grandson, Jacob [ie ISRAEL] bonded with two SYRIAN GIRLS, LEAH and RACHEL. The Assyrians were serious WHITE SUPREMACIST.

The Beginning of this 18th Dynasty was founded by Kamose and Ahmose and their mother was a great influence in their rise to power. And what many people don't highlight but actually overlook is that soonafter, this dynasty was completly usurped. AFter the pharaoh lost his son, and he had no male heir, his daughter married a foreign 'Black' man but this man later dominated over his wife and he assumed that dynasty name and continued onward. This would be the beginning of problems. this man, THUTMOSE, came from the NODEAST [ie Northeast] civilizations of HURRIANS and ... long story short... it became a Matriarchal System. Soon Thutmose III who warred up north in Assyria, Mitanni and etc. brought a bunch of Mitannian woman [ie. WHITE WOMEN] into his court and it was this man, that threw down his own ORIGINAL EGYPTIAN WOMEN [ie BLACK WOMEN] and replaced them with these white women. THUTMOSE III elevated Mittanian women and he took his young son around Egyptian in a new campaign. This new campaign he struck out the name of HATSHEPSUT and etc. he closed up her pillars, and more importantly, he STOPPED addressing the royal egyptian women with their ancient INHERITED TITLES. He took the royal attire of the Egyptian woman that were passed down through the generations, and gave them to his white-Mitannian women, ... and this why today, many Black Africans are obssessed over idols like QUEEN TIYE--because they think she was a Black AFrican woman, but she was NOT!!! She was wearing an 'African wig' taken from the original Egyptian women and given to her and others. Then after Thutmose III did this, his son was even more worse than he had been... But the other part of this story is this-- the Egyptian women were also to blame, because they also had an obssession with foreign men. Even though Hatshesut is hailed today, however, she was the first one in during that time to enslave African people on a ship that sailed south into the land of Punt and thereabouts. It was during her rule that Nubians and Syrians began to be enslaved. So, when Thutmose III came of age, he got rid of Hatshepsuts court official, Senemut, and this started him on his rampage... This is just one example of how we today are suffering from the repercussions of gender conflicts of the past. And look at how many men are running around having sex with or TRYING to have sex with women who are already married or have boyfriends. As if a woman having multiple partners is really THAT big of a deal. I'm speechless! LOL. I find it hard to grasp though, that you have never been so in love with a woman that would not want some type of commitment.

@Pioneer1 I Dunno, maybe in some regards but, drinking 'fire water' goes back for thousands and thousands of years though and it was damaging back then too. But Karma is something else.Look at how the Opiod Epidemic is destroying Caucasian communities all over North America and Europe today. Yes, this is amazing! Is the act of sex somehow worse than the act of basketball or selling property? Yes for certain reasons. For one example, HEALTH CARE, the sicknesses and diseases that are associated with indiscriminate sex can be a burden in many ways on other people. It can be a burden on tax payers too, IMO. Also, it brings negative repercussions to children in various ways. Crack Babies can apply to this topic. Being a basketball player is not the same in comparison to this issue of sexual freedom. One question I have is if Black women's mistreatment was the crime itself, then why were Black women allowed to be mistreated (enslaved, colonized, ect....) as part of the punishment FOR the crime along with Black men? Now, that is a good question! I believe that both genders have a part in being overthrown and enslaved. I believe that we today are being flattered and conditioned to fight on the basis of gender conflicts, and that when it comes down to the truth, both genders have a part in how we as AFrican-typed people have been subdued. And no, honestly I haven't really considered either.It's very hard to prove history because neither one of us were around to verify the information but if you can provide PROOF or COMPELLING EVIDENCE that the situation Africans went through being enslaved and having much of their lands colonized by Caucasians was caused by their treatment of their own women AND/OR because they chose not to control their sex drive......I'll consider it. Well, I think that there is a lot of history about this but it has been distorted. Wjhat immediately comes to mind for me, is the 18th Dynasty in ancient Egypt.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

@Delano Thank you for the breakdown on these terms! Yes, this would probably be the term applied to some GREEK TRAGEDIES such as the story Oedipus because during the movement of Greek Democracy, a lot of stores were written to suppress ancient historical records and idols such Imhotep become Asclepian. And at this time, the Greeks were marked for their Man-boy sex movement, Pedastry, so this debauched story about the 18th Dynasty in Egypt was a good method for them to further attempt to hide history.. And I guess we can add to this 'Hansel and Gretel' and etc. YOu know, I now remember reading the account of Frederick Douglass in how he was selected to be sold away based on the decision of the slaveyard woman. And I remember that he wrote about how when the slaveyard Mammy was too old and of no use to the slave masters, in how she was led deep into the woods and a make shift hut was put up for her and then she was left to her own fate. I also remember other sad stories like this when I would go to the south to visit my relatives and I always heard stories of how older women were left to this fate and how they would be found, dead. ANd like your reference about how Disney made fair tale stories less sinister, I think this may be where I am left trying to understand these terms such as myths, legends, and etc.

I think so too, but I think that the CLassical Greeks have distorted a lot of ancient Egyptian terms and history especially during their age of DEmocracy where they renamed ancient terms to promote their new movement. I agree too, that the original word Heru was a Kemet term and came before Horus. And this word 'Horus' has been used to confuse people even during ancient Egyptian times too. HERE IS SOME OF MY RESEARCH on this topic: Osiris-Isis-Horus of North Egypt Triad vs Amun-Mut-Khons South Egypt, Theban Triad So, from my memory, 'Horus' became used in what became the Northern Triad and this term replaced the more ancient Heru term. By the time of the 18th Dynasty, the festival of OPET became used to transfer more deception in order to dominate the Nubians and Thebans. The Pharaoh came to represent the Osiris Triad and the festival was held in the South, in Upper Egypt. The Egyptian god SET was the enemy of OSIRIS. The Theban Triad was taken out of the temple and paraded through the streets and the pharaoh rode on a chariot behind the Theban triad idols and he represented Osiris [to certain people]. Soon the Theban Triad was floated on a barge and then later the pharaoh went into the temple and represented 'a god' to certain people who were allowed to enter. Soon, this same dynasty completely OUTLAWED the Theban religion altogether in exchange for the Aten Sun Disk Movement and their temples were closed and the capital was moved to a new area. The Theban treasury was drained to construct 2 New cities and one in North Egypt was designed to connect to the coast and to Mycenae and Athen Greece. But hundreds upon hundreds of year prior to this the term HERU or HERCULES and other similar terms goes back to an earlier time in the origianl lands where the Greeks came from to a more earlier RITUALISTIC TIME where the OPET FESTIVAL was carried out. And it would be this OPET FESTIVAL that marks the true purpose for the coming of Jesus during the Roman Empire times. So, it is not so much the name 'JESUS' that is important but what he represented. This ritualistic OPET FESTIVAL [ie PASSOVER FESTIVAL] goes way far back in time--to a time when certain people became victims of HUMAN SACRIFICE in West Turkey and etc. This is much more important to understand, IMO, than getting caught up in terminologies. This ritualistic practice of killing ancient Seth people [ie. Black Africa, Kemet, Thebans, Nubians...] and instigation Black-on-Black violence is what this is all about. In ancient italy, it was the shrine of HERCULES that was eventually replaced with the Roman treaury temple Mercury that furthered this dark practice in which the TRIUMPHAL MARCH or PARADE where the representative god MERCURY came at the end of the booty and then the victim representative 'the god SETH' [ie. the god Saturn] became slaughtered. By the Roman Republic times the victim was replaced with a WOODEN and BRONZE STATUE that was kept in the temple but by the time of the Roman Empire, human victims were used again. This is the real reason that Jesus came to shed light on Black subjugation and to shed light on this ancient Ophet [ie OPET, OPHETH, OPIUM, OPS, OPIUM, HEROINE, HERO, HERMES, ...SERPENT...] ritualistic two-Dual themed festival [Opalia-Saturnalia] that has many different variations of names. ... and that became a global festival honored all over the world in various formats.

@Pioneer1 Why do you say that this name 'Jesus' is a Greek name? Infact, was his name even "Jesus"? I think it is not important to get hung up on Semantics though, but it is good to understand too, about the construction of this name as it was applied during those times. Semantics means the meaning and interpretation of words, signs, and sentence structure. ... Semantics can also refer to the branch of study within linguistics that deals with language and how we understand meaning. What Is Semantics? – Definition & Examples – Video & Lesson… https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-semantics-definition-examples-quiz.html I can't remember for certain, but I think that this letter 'J' stems from a Phonetian basis? At any rate, it is no different that the letter 'Y', in that both of these letters are used in so many translations today of ancient terms by scholars and they both are simply REPLACEMENT LETTERS. So the term 'YESHUA' or 'YASHUA' is also NOT 'an original term no more than is the name 'JESUS' or 'YEHOSHUA' [JOSHUAH] or 'YEHUDAH' [ie. JUDAH, or JEWS] or etc. Both the letters 'J' and 'Y' are actually used in transliterations as replacement letters based on my research. Some scholar may use 'J' and some may use 'Y' of which they based on a certain methodology that we today may not all be aware of unless we have had the opportuinity to study under a discipline or college where there is more information. And there are many more letters too, used as 'replacement letters'. It comes down to just understanding 'to a point' and in context what certain words in past script languages mean and how they were translated by ancient and/or modern scholars and how it has been applied and translated into other languages from respective languages [ie Aramaic language] of those times.

Thank you!!!

WOW! That is beautiful!!! Happy Holidays to you too!!!

@Pioneer1 Where is the proof of this!? I never heard of this. If AfroAmerican men have a strong sex drive that you claim is based on science, then it would seem obvious that AfroAmerican women correlate to this too! Again, I will use the track and field sport as an example. Black men are on average going to be at the finish line, and guess what? Black women are on average going to be at the finish line too! We have similar spirits. So, it would be completely wrong for you to think that your sex drive, as a Black man can be higher than a Black woman. That doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand how you can believe this. Pioneer, did you ever consider that it may not be 'strong sex drive' that is a cause of discrimination against AFroAmerican men, but that they oppressed Black women and could have controlled their sex drive but just chose not to, that caused them to be thrown down and into slavery? You don't see the damaging affect this 'sex drive' used to dominate AfroAmerican women that could possibly had led to their downfall? Or, am I missing a point here. You wouldn't have a problem with a female sex partner should she tell you that she wanted to have multiple sex partners in addition to you?

@Pioneer1 LOLPioneer1, this may seem like an odd response, but I tell you, your explanation is what I have heard and believe too!--But now, I find that even in this answer, it was given to us by Europeans! LOL. We have been spoon fed. On the one hand, I agree and it is true about Native Americans being tricked and given 'fire water' and a wagon full of tobacco, but on the other hand, AFTER BEING MARRIED INTO THIS HERITAGE, we are made to be BLINDED to other issue too. Ethnic people need to take some responsibility too. It is true that some of these tribal people have drunk themselves into a stupor, but they had other problems too, that the Europeans saw and this is how they were able to take advantage of them and defeat them to a great extent. Some of these tribal chiefs were horrible womanizers and they oppress their women so bad, I feel that in some respect, they got what they deserved. LOL. Yes, I do blame them!

Well, I listened to the video and one of them did say that he was a product of his environment.

2. Is the Oedipus story a myth? Again, Absolutely not--meaning, this story is based on some deep truths, but in a sense, it is a fairy tale because it has been deliberately translated and passed down in such a way that the true aspects are hard to confirm. I have done DEEP research on this story and it would take a lot to share all of my references, but for now, I will just be brief: The OEDIPUS REX STORY has been discussed at length by severyal scholars who hint at an origin that goes way back to ancient Assyrian-Babylonian times, but more importantly, it is absolutely a fanciful rendition of what happened in an ancient THEBAN time and during the time of the ancient Egyptians. OEDIPUS REX [ie King Oedipus] is specifically about the 18th Dynasty THUTMOSE KINGS. Even though Egyptologist have deliberately attempted to keep this history hidden or debauched, deep research proves that it can be confirmed. Even though the infamous pharaoh Akhenaten was dubbed the negative king, however, if you look deeper, it will be seen that it was also his father too, Amenhotep III that was just as creepy as he had been. So, this OEDIPUS 'myth' that HOMER later wrote about and at the time of the Greek revival, is not a myth in origin, but it became mythology due to deliberate efforts made to hide the dark acts of these Thutmose kings from the Nubians they ruled over. There is a lot to this story... after the 12th year of Akhenaten, his second born daughter that he had relations with . . . died in childbirth . . . She died giving birth to a child--girl--- sired by Akhenaten. Right after that, there was civil strife because the Nubians realized what was going on . . . Nefertiti gave birth to six daughters and was in competition with KIYA to have a malefactor, but after she failed the sixth time, she offered up her second born daughter who just made puberty to her husband, Akhenaten. . . Today however, it was proven through DNA too, that the boy-king Tut was fathered by Akhenaten and one of his own sisters . . . but the Amenhotep III was also a part of this quest too . . . and so was Queen Tiye . . . I tell you, the story of PEDIPUS REX .... PEDOPHILE REX ...Oedipus REX is no myth, but if a myth is defined as 'a story shrounded in fantasy that has a factual origin' then I guess this would be the defintion of 'a myth'.