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Yes, I do see that 'race' is subjective. I don't want to do that 'shove artificial construct or race into the science of genetics Don't mean to do that. Scientiest classify Neanderthals based on certain characteristics. I did mention the 'HEAVY BROW RIDGE' are you saying that I have done this or that scientist are doing this and it is wrong? Yes, that does sound crazy. No, I am specifically NOT using 'race' I am referring to 'SPECIES'. No, I am NOT using the term 'RACE'. I am responding to SPECIES, a scientific classification

@Troy Well, that might be because I am jumping ahead of myself regarding research and making conclusions without references, and also, because it seems to me that scholars are deliberately offering part truths themselves and not making the conclusions that they should be too. So I will try to add more proof as to why I made these statements. Even in this new report that almost every scientific community seems to be posting right now, there seems to be contradictions and ommitted statements of conclusions based on past findings about the presence of Neanderthals and Denisovans. … The evidence is as direct as it can be: a bone fragment in the cave that, according to DNA analysis, belonged to the daughter of a Neanderthal mother and a Denisovan father. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/08/a-neanderthal-and-a-denisovan-had-a-daughter/567967/ [1] Okay what is not being clarified in this statement would be the distinct difference between the Denisovan father and the Neanderthal mother. Although they do state in this very aritcle that [parphrasing] traces of Denisovan DNA are found in living people today in Melanesia and elsewhere in tht region, what they don't admit is tht these people are very dark skinned. This would be one crucial issue with why ther are identifying the two distinct homonids in the hybrid bone of a female offspring. [2] Scholars make it clear that Neanderthals lack melanin in their skin but they don't clarify why they show a representation of Neanderthals with dark hair and this ommission too, is crucial in understanding the distinction of ancient Denisovans and Homo Sapiens of whom encompass the presence of Black African people. What they do is cleverly used the term 'TRACE AMOUNT OF DENISOVAN DNA' in Melanesians. Well, okay, this is obvious to me because of the PHENOTYPIC TRAIT of the heave brow ridge that I see in photos sometimes today. But without references and a detailed clarification, I guess I sound like I don't know what I am talking about. So for now, I am just dealing with the problems I recognize in the published reports. So, what they are omitting is that Melanesian people are still showing a dominant presence of Homo Sapien DNA , a trace amount of Denisovan Dna and no NEANDERTHAL DNA. But here goes another contradiction. [3] Scholars said in the past and in this very article tht the DENISOVAN split off from the Neanderthals a long time ago, but then they report now that this could not be. Also in the past they said that both the Denisovan and the Neanderthal shared a MRCA [Most Recent Common Ancestor] and as I said in another post and thread, obviously, they existed contemporaneously for this to be! And, because the Denisovans are dated first then, the Neanderthal would be a 'lesser' expression of the Denisovan. So then, now they bring up another contradiction without explaining; [4] In this article they say that this particular DNA analysis shows that the Denisovan Dna also shows Neanderthal Dna too. That would mean that he was also a hybrid himself. But they don't conclude this in script. So now what does this mean in terms of what I concluded; [5] What these scholars are not clarifying is that in the past, they had stated that they cannot find a Y-DNA HAPLOGROUP to analyze in the Neanderthal remains, but though, due to the living Melanesians, they can at least see that the DENISOVANS were indeed MALES!!! So, even though I have not presented any references yet, I am getting at something I did say before regarding INTERSEXED BEINGS. Scholars are not widely clarifying that Neanderthals were intersexed and although they could and DID reproduce and did so with modern humans, HOMO SAPIENS, however, they could NOT reproduce ANY VIABLE MALE OFFSPRING. So @Troy Whey you stated regarding the world being one 'race' I believe I can explain in more depth and give more information about this 'partial truth' that scientist don't seem to want to clarify. They say that Neanderthals are completely extinct, ... OH BUT NO.... In the case of a male presence.... absolutely, yes. That would be true, but not in the case of hybridization throught female reproduction. and one reference [general reference] would be my previous post about the RH NEGATIVE FACTOR and its' origins! I will hope to provide more references due to my statements about 'racism' as it applies to the earlier presence of Denisovans and the later presence of Neanderthals and then the presence of the modern humans, HOMO SAPIENS, but for now, I want to offer a reference that connects to the pre-African presence of humans. ***** I want to make sure too, that I don't offend anyone about this science of rh negative by saying that this is just one of many references but based on my research, there is no such thing as people today being 'alien' LOL or purebred. This entire global planet shares traits in many various ways no matter what classification of hominids I speak about. So please, do not be offended about research coming from me. When I end my research it will be just that; a break down on topics that is not being presented about the past due to White Supremacist Movement coming from some source in this government.

THIS JUST IN about 10 hours ago: A Denosovan—Neanderthal Hybrid Bone Found in Cave _____________________________________________________________ Scientists Stunned By a Neanderthal Hybrid Discovered in a Siberian Cave Sarah Zhang 10 hrs ago … A remarkable new discovery—also in the Denisova cave—paints an even more interesting more picture, telling us that Denisovans also interbred with Neanderthals. The evidence is as direct as it can be: a bone fragment in the cave that, according to DNA analysis, belonged to the daughter of a Neanderthal mother and a Denisovan father. … http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/scientists-stunned-by-a-neanderthal-hybrid-discovered-in-a-siberian-cave/ar-BBMi9aL?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=AARDHP ==================================================================================================================================== This article just posted yesterday supports my research that I touched upon in other recent threads in this community about our present existence today and that scientist have presented a lot of facts but they seem to deliberately mislead the public by not making conclusions in the form of publications. The conclusions that are published today in many respects seem to contradict the findings. For example, even in this article, a distinction is made regarding Neanderthals, Denisovans and ‘humans’ in statements made about reproduction, but nothing is clarified in that, in essence, what has been presented is that all three of these mentioned manifest that they represent a distinct species, one from another, and nevertheless, they did reproduce and as a result, there are hybrids! Now, they will admit as in this article that the reproduction of a Denisovan and Neanderthal offspring would scientifically be an hybrid, but scientist today won’t admit that this would be the same outcome regarding the reproductions of Neanderthals and modern humans. So, this obvious conclusion is not made clear in their many publications about the results of the Genome Project and so, this causes confusion and conflicts in getting a complete understanding of the facts and it causes contention in debate due to the unwillingness of scientist to tell the whole truth and make a complete conclusive scientific admission of the facts that they have presented. In the past, although it was concluded that the Neanderthals and the homo sapiens [ie. Modern humans] did reproduce, however, it was also stated at one point in the past that the Neanderthal and the modern humans were one species … Oh but no…. But then later, it was subtly corrected in that no, they are two different species of which is based on the same guidelines of any speciation determination process. In the Smithsonian, Neanderthals are classed as a distinct species, at least when I visited and snapped a shot at the specimen and the description about two years ago. It is defined as ‘homo neanderthalensis’ and not ‘homo sapien neanderthalensis’. That would be like saying a Neanderthal is a hybrid of two species. So therefore, if a Homo Neanderthalensis interbreeds with a Homo Sapien and produces an offspring, a successful offspring, would not that reproduction be defined scientifically as a hybrid? Therefore, as this very article states regarding the repeated findings of hybrids in the reproduction of a Denisovan father and a Neanderthal mother; the offspring from the reproduction of two species would therefore be ‘a hybrid’ in all regards--N’est pa? The reproduction of a hybrid would either be a hybrid Denisovan or, a hybrid Neanderthal with respect to the father. As I did post in another thread, the offspring of a male lion and a female tiger would be termed, A LIGER in respect to the male lion, and the letter ‘L’ includes this definition of a ‘Lion hybrid’. And so, a male tiger that reproduces with a female lion and produces an offspring, that offspring is termed ‘a TIGON’. The letter ‘T’ reflects that the hybrid is Tiger hybrid. Now as result of this kind of information, through research it may soon become evident that this kind of science has been understood regarding homonid interaction in the distant past and this may help us understand more about some pertinent issues today that negatively plague the humankind. It may help us to understand the origins of racism, White Supremacy and issues of Colorism and Color Supremacy.

I have not seen this article or photo before. But after reading this thread, my views are based on what I've read regarding the Time magazine being the ones who published this photo. In my opinion, Viola Davis, in this photo, is absolutely gorgeous. She is beautiful. And, I don't see what could be unflattering about her having red lipstick. I think it compliments her. But though, I have seen OLE TIMEY photos of dark skinned Black women with red lipstick, with a big smile and it was meant to be ridiculed and it was racist depictions. I even think I saw a rendition of a so-called 'new makeover for Aunti Jemimia'; an add for saling pancakes. So I think that it may have been done underhandedly to try and see if Black Americans have decided to accept this propaganda as being okay to do now. In my opinion, there are polls taken continually for many political reasons. Nevetheless, Ms. Davis is beautiful. She has a pretty face, a beautiful smile. But, Time should have chosen to have her posed in a different way.

@Pioneer1 I don't know why, I didn't come to this conclusion!!! THANK YOU!!! The funny thing is that I have said this in other ways especially regarding my own in-laws, and heck, even my own ancestral background sort of, but nonetheless, I was not able to put the whole concept together! Who hasn't heard our own people in the African American culture and in our family stories hear about relatives who decide to 'PASS FOR WHITE' and etc.? Therefore, this is the issue even when it comes to other people such as Europeans as well, but it never occurred to me to make a solid conclusion. I've been conditioned! I've been conditioned to not see or realize certain issues, but then, @Pioneer1 I also think this 'conditioning' is due to the European American false 'constructs on what they defined as peoples race' and, this is the confusing part that I think @Troy might be addressing. I don't know for sure. Yes, it is a reality and a fact in terms of 'race' in how this system defines their categories but, it may not be completely factual even in terms of science. They may be contradicting their own scientist, colleges and publications on what they define in their race categories. I don't know for sure, I am still on a fact finding mission about this very subject. And I think you are right in that it should be teremd 'SPECIES' instead of 'RACE'. @Pioneer1WOW. On point! @Pioneer1 Yes this I agree also. As of now, I do not have a good reference source based on secular books to explain my deeper research on this term, but I am hoping to be able to present some references soon. @Pioneer1 For the most part, I agree, but this is one of the issues that I am still on 'a fact finding mission' because of the other aspects of the term GENOTYPE versus the term PHENOTYPE. As you stated, 'PHENOTYPE' is just one of the physival manifestations of the genotype. And so, it is the OTHER physical manifestations of the genotype, or more specifically, the other RECESSIVE GENES that show up in a physical manifestations that some governments use to determine a persons RACE that brings confusion to these terms. So what I am saying is that, a persons PHENOTYPE at times, does not manifest their GENOTYPE but, it seems that at times, 'race' is determined based on phenotype and historically, this kind of confusion has caused many problems. And the very example that you used, 'blonde hair and blue eyes' is one of the issues that has brought confusion. Today, because of mankinds false construct about 'race', therefore, many people believe that this is a WHITE, EUROPEAN or Asiatic trait, but this is dead wrong!!!

@TroyThis is the real American Dream... that seems to be out of reach for many people! I have gotten that feeling too, when I visited other places, not only in Florida, but in certain spots all over America. @CyniqueWOW! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! CYNIQUE! LOL! You are too much! You don't seem 85 years old but, 85 years young. My uncles got you beat though, one of them is 97 years old this August and he seems as though he is in his thirties when he talks and converses. One of my maternal aunts is 99 and she is doing fine. And one of my aunts is 82 and I have to hold my breath around her because, she loves all of her neices, nephews and kids, but she is a pistol... Oh no. And you say, she wanted her gift opened first!? LOL. I've been in that predicament many times.

I agree. My 2 cents: My take on this may seem unconventional. Also, I cannot make sense nor can I interpret the percentage breakdown on certain issues but, here’s my opinion on this topic: I feel that this government has a lot to do with the issues of visibility versus invisibility when it comes to both Black African American men and women, and I feel that this system has a lot do to with the gender conflicts that exist between us and they have used methods to foster and carefully instigate conflicts and at times beef it up by way of certain ploys especially in terms of job opportunities given or not and etc. But, way before these Europeans set sail for this land though, I feel that there were already problems that did already exist between the Black African men and women and therefore, this is only being exploited continually. And this is not an issue with just Black African American. My experience with a past co-worker, from India, shows me that they have the same dynamics in their cultures.

Yes, me too. I hear a lot about the O type blood but not the rh neg though coming from a lot of ethnic people. @CyniqueThis chart reflects what you are saying about the O blood type. And, I did hear about the blood transfusion and that experts wonder about this issue too in confusing the results of people being negative. That makes me wonder about that African woman who at first had, positive rh but then after having two babies, she was told that she had rh negative. That is interesting.

**My husband's brother is also O+, however, his people identify as an African American, but his grandmother was born on a reservation, and belongs to a North American tribe. Their ancestry on both sides go way back before Columbus. So, I here this O Pos. presence in the African American culture a lot.

I am trying. You know, that is what I was saying about the statements about the Genome Project in that it is said that people of African descent especially sub-Saharan Africa have NO DNA from Neanderthals. That sounds like a contradiction to me especially due to African Americans and how we have been intermixed over here for hundreds of years. Also, I did read the break down on the process of the D negative and D positive testing and how it is determined that a person has RH NEGATIVE. I do know about the recessive breakdown on the possibility of a person having RH NEG. And I know what is said about the percentage of RH Neg in the Horn of Africa. But are you saying that this RH NEGATIVE PRESENCE IS NOT PREDOMINANTLY PRESENT IN WHITE EUROPEAN WOMEN? RH positive has a child that is RH negative, the mother’s blood will literally kill the child due to incompatibility, this is not an evolutionary trait from a single stock of genetics. …… However, according to modern DNA sequencing, it is demonstrated that humanity as we know it, isn’t just ONE single ‘race’ that descended from the same ancestor in Africa, but a hybridized species, with a far more enigmatic truth behind it all. https://newearth.media/7573-2/ Inheritance[edit] If both of a child’s parents are Rh negative, the child will definitely be Rh negative. Otherwise the child may be Rh positive or Rh negative, depending on the parents' specific genotypes.[29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_blood_group_system

yes indeed. Lol. I don't know, I try to use a timeline along with secular scholars especially about the history that revolves around ancient Egypt, and I see some accurate correlations. But yes, in the past, Biblical references were confusing based upon what so-called 'Christians have taught'. Are you saying that you have no recent parent that was not European? Wow. that is not the norm for certain. President Obama's mother passed this onto him but like you, but he is the male. So I don't know. I've read where an African woman gave birth to two sons and during her third pregnancy, she was told that she was rh negative. If the doctors are lying and giving these injections to these White women, then they need to go to court! LOL.

======================================================================= Definition of TOPCROSS A cross between a superior or purebred male and inferior female stock to improve the average quality of the progeny; also: the product of such a cross https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/topcross ======================================================================= Tigons are much smaller than ligers so are less popular in the world of hybrid fanciers. Tigons are not only smaller than ligers, they're often smaller than both their parents. Most tigon offspring don't reach full term or are stillborn because the mother tiger's womb isn't big enough to hold the big tigon cubs, which are larger than what the male tiger's cubs would be. Tigons are often smaller when full-grown than either of their parents. https://animals.mom.me/difference-between-ligers-tigons-3506.html A ZORSE A Zebra male + Female horse = a Zorse Offspring of Two differnt species

@Troy Thank you for posting the beautiful photograph of MS. Teresa Kemp and you! I read up on her past works and saw that she wrote two other books and I hope to follow her more now. She has such a rich background. She has posted photos of her youth when she went to school in Germany! She went to college in West Virginia and lives in Georgia. Here is one of my favorite pictures that she posted of herself when she was younger: Teresa Kemp What a beautiful fro! She is gorgeous both in her youth and now. I am so gratefule that you have shared this information.

@Troy Thank you, I appreciate your comments. But regarding Black and White people having differnt blood--I absolutely do NOT believe they have different blood. But based on the partial conclusions scientist are offering in lieu of proven facts, it seems obvious to me that their are at the very least two separate species that this world today comprise. That is why I posted the LIGER and also, I will share my reference on THE TIGON to show how different species can mate. But the "L" means that the LIGER is a Lion hybrid and, the "T" means tha the smaller species hybrid, the TIGON is defined and categorized by scientist as a TIGER hybrid. This is based on the TOPCROSS malefactor, the Lion, because he is the most dominant of the cat species. And the Tiger is the malefactor that mated with the Lioness but scientist define species based on the TOPCROSS and then go down from that perspective. Tiger males that are compelled to breed with other species in captivity do not huge casts on the percentage that the Lions do. YOu're right. All male hybrids like Hercules, the 1,000+ pound LIGER are completely sterile. But the female hybrids born from these two species reproduction CAN reproduce and they have reproduced. This is the same thing that has happened with humans noted in the past that did practice various forms of Selective Breeding. @Troy You may understand the basics of Genetics, but I am not really good at this, but I try to take notes because for me, it is a lot! And, I can get confused, however, it is my passion and I am trying to understand this more and more. I took the required Genetics and Statistic courses in college and it became a fascination since that time. Regardind BLOOD TYPES and as I stated before, I agree with you in that there are many White Europeans that have more African DNA than many Black African people! But, when I look at the DNA research and the Bible, I know why this is. It is due to the partial CONCLUSIONS scientist are making. They don't explain their findings completely. They admit there are more than one species that did intermix but that's is all they do. The ABO Blood groups and etc. shows that most modern humans have this blood group, and the RHESUS MONKEY research that led to an understanding of the RH factor gives more information and reveal Neanderthal presence. All Africans, original anyway are RH Positive. Like the Primates all original Africans are of the AB blood group but Europeans have a variation. Many Europeans in Ireland, UK, Scotland, and France and in Mexico and an area in East India, have a high percentage of being Rh- and have the O Blood group; 60% or 70% of the population. When Africans have this Rh- factor it is always due to a White mother. Not all White women have this Rh Negative factor. Most of Europeans in other parts of Europe have the normal Rh postive factor. What does this mean? It means that most White people origins come from Africa and the African man and woman. But the Rh negative means the presence of another species. So, no, I absolutely do NOt believe that all White people have different blood at all. I believe that there is much more to the science of the Neanderthals that scientist are not willing to share because in the past, they wanted to believe that African people were all Apes, and Gorillas, and Monkeys because they knew we all had the ABO and rh + like the primates and they could not explain away that rh- that they knew existed. ***Some of my older cousins told me, one of which was a medical doctor, that Cain was cursed and turned Black. My husbands older sister, who was a minister of a Black church, told me that same thing. And now, I see through research where this may be coming from. White Supremacist do NOT want to admit that the Genome Project and all of their research shows that the modern humans HOMO SAPIENS come from an African man and woman. So they put out negative propaganda for a long time and we are now confused.

This was simply a mistake. Some had made the assumption that Neanderthals were the same species so they would homo sapiens. To distinguish, they referred to modern humans as homo sapiens sapiens. In other words, modern humans would be a sub-species. However, DNA analysis has shown this to be incorrect. Neanderthals were a different species so they are now called homo neanderthalensis and we are homo sapiens. Article: WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOMO SAPIENS AND HOMO SAPIENS SAPIENS https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-homo-sapiens-and-homo-sapiens-sapiens Neanderthals diverged about 500,000 years ago, so they are mostly no longer categorized as homo sapiens neanderthalensis, but as homo neanderthalensis. https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-homo-sapiens-and-homo-sapiens-sapiens Earlier in another post, I mentioned this Liger BUT i Iincorrectly said his name was Samsun, but I was wrong. His name is HERCULES. The Liger is a hybrid cross between a male lion and a female tiger, thus both its parents are from the Panthera genus, but from different species. Ligers are the biggest of all the big cats, growing to almost the lion and tigers combined size.

@Troy Perhaps the reason why my statements are not understood clearly is because I lack a higher degree and have not been in a disciplined classroom environment beyond a B.S. degree. But still, I would like to reply to some of statements but, not on what I believe but what I understand from scientist, scholars and reference material, and also observation: I agree about the 'One Drop Rule' being ridiculous and again, I don't understand this governments definition of 'race' but, I want to address your other statement; [1] Scientist findings about the ABO Blood types and also the RH factor does show a break down based on differnt 'kinds' of people. Based on my understanding of the research, the Rh Negative factor has an exclusive origin in 'White females'. This is not what I believe this is a fact that has to be considered for such things as blood transfusion and preganancy issues. When a White female with RH- is impregnated by a Rh+ father, she has to undergo procedures because of what has happened in the past before this issue was recognized. Her body builds up sustances that will harm the baby and, if she becomes pregnant with the second baby, it is that pregnancy that is in danger. [2] Okay. In terms of the modern Homo sapiens, I agree. But if the scientist today speak in reference to the presence of Neanderthal DNA and also, they categorize them in a separate 'species' then, there is a distinction based on the scientific definition of the term 'SPECIES'. There was a conflict on how to categorize 'Neanderthals in the 1920s because of the issue of the AFrican people of whom was believed to be 'lesser race' but soon, scientist defined modern humans as being 'HOMO SAPIENS' and the Neanderthals as being a separate species as 'HOMO NEANDERTHALENSIS'. But I do understand you in that even though scientist report that modern humans did intermix with Neanderthals, you still believe that their presence does not change the definintion of todays modern humans and that we are all one species. [3] But this still does not change the reports in that Neanderthals are a distinct species apart from the modern Homo sapiens? It doesn't matter where they migrated out from, the classification of 'species' is not based on geographical origins in this earth. [4] Me too. I am limited on the subject of DNA and so, I am not absolutely sure about my research because I am not in a classroom setting. HOwever from what i understand about Horse coat coloring and cat coat coloring, this has been used by scientist to correlate to the human race in regards to DNA, eye coloring, hair coloring, and etc. the terms used such as 'EUMELANIN' and more are the exact same terms and science that determines the coloring of horses and cats. You are not requesting for me to back up what I say by offering references and so, I realize you think I'm way out in left field. But nevertheless, if I come across some references perhaps, you might be willing to check it out. [5] No, I don't want to just believe blindly but I did present some terms like HOMO ERECTUS, HOMO FLORENSIES, HOMO NEANDERTHALENSIS, and HOMO SAPIENS because these are terms that scientist use to define separate species. And no, I don't want to believe blindly that Neanderthal DNA plays a factor in the modern humans, but I did refer to these topics as being determined by the scientific process byway of scholars. Oh well... thanks anyway for reading. I did get a chance to look at some links and references about a subject that I had mentioned earlier about 'giants' and it sort of goes along with this topic so, I hope to at least post some references about that.

@Delano This article is good to read! Thank you. But also, it hurts. It is pretty interesting too, that the author is a White man and he really struck at my core because of his candidness about White Supremacy and his viewpoint about President Trump. This part really hit me to core: " Trump’s nationalistic right-wing populism, which scapegoats immigrants and minorities to deflect rage from Cohn and his fellow profiteers, is nothing new. " And they he wrote about the villian in the book the Great Gatsby: "the plutocratic villain of The Great Gatsby, Tom Buchanan, is a white supremacist prone to observations like “if we don’t look out the white race will be … utterly submerged” and “It’s up to us who are the dominant race to watch out or these other races will have control of things.” …" Lastly, what really caught my eye was when he wrote that only two years after this book was published around 1925, a budding real estate developer was arrested at a KU KLUX KLAN riot named FRED TRUMP!!! My my my... And then this author of this article ended with this painful statement in that; "...The rest is history inexorably leading America to this dark place where, nearly a century later, the green light at the end of Daisy’s dock is so distant it just may be in China." The American Dream is gone for so many people except for maybe as he wrote the one percenters. Again, thank you for posting this article. Like this auther said, so much has changed since 911 Attacks and even since the past 10 years ago; 2008.

I don't know about that because, this 'percentage' classification would be RELATIVE to who in the past records would have defined it as such and also based on scientific facts with regards to a comparison and contrast to other issues. Tlhat is why I brought of 'THE ONE DROP RULE'. Relative to this government and their definitions of A QUADROON and etc. they made their laws. But Based upon science today and ancient records, this would be a wrong way to classify people, with respect to being 'AFRICAN' or perhaps 'a DARK SKINNED, STRAIGHT HAIRED AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINE' for example. Also, the Neanderthal has the same GENUS HOMO but the term Sapien is sometimes not defined to include them. They are defined as 'a species' that is distinct because they existed long before the HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN that is defined in other regards. Also I mentioned GENDER DETERMINATION based on GENETICS because today, the law has been passed that is based upon a person's choice, whether or not they choose to undergo surgery or just be defined as LGBT or etc. But in the past, this would be wrong and solely based upon a persons GENETICS. Neanderthals are intersexed but not the original African man and this can be seen in their GENES. But due to the intermixing of Neanderthals with the HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN, today, some people today are born intersexed in the African 'race' and 'European 'race'. Also, the Neanderthals have a separate classification from the HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN and therefore, there is two distinct classifications here based on GENETIC MARKINGS. Nethertheless, the Neanderthals did intermix with the modern humans of today [Homo Sapien Sapien]. Therefore like other classifications of species and genera, it is not cut and dry here, and it is not based upon percentages like 75%. IF there is a reproduction of two species then, it becomes A HYBRID. A Hybrid from a Neanderthal father would be A HOMO NEANDERTHALENSIS [ie. sometimes written as Homo Sapien Neanderthal], and a Hybrid from a modern Homo Sapien--African man would be a Homo Sapien Sapien. Therefore if Neanderthal men intermixed with the modern womankind and produced offspring, how can they be extinct with these traits are shared traits from this kind of reproduction? In respect to the DENISOVANS that died out, the NEANDERTHALS that lived for a long time on this earth and, the contradiction that scientist say, the Neanderthals died out; [1] The Neanderthal and the Denisovans have been determined to have a MRCA Recent Common Ancestor. This means that the Neanderthal is definitely A DENISOVAN! [2] When I went to visit the Smithsonian, all of the many other HOMONIDS in the room were either Black or very dark skinned except for the Neanderthalensis. What does this mean? Well, that would mean that the Neanderthal underwent A MUTATION and therefore they are distinct form of a DENISOVAN. [3] The anthropology of Neanderthals shows that they were a violent presence due to the marks on their skeletons, broken bones, gashes, blows to their skulls, that healed and were broken again... and there were deformities and etc. What does this SUGGEST. Well, if they are a lesser presence of the DENISOVANS then, it suggest that the Denisovans or should I say, ORIGINAL NEANDERTHALS were much more powerful yet, they became extinct due NOT TO PHYSICALLY UNFITNESS but due to some type of violence. [4] The NEANDERTHALS are white, and this is the mutation that shows up in their chromosomes, however, technically they were not just 'white' but they carry the DNA of ALBINISM [ie. many forms of it] and they carry many other distinct traits that the African man does not carry. So in my brief conclusion: The Neanderthals could not completely have died out if they intermixed with 'the AFRICAN MANKIND' and their traits are ever present and showing up in all of us today. So it would be a serious misinformation to say that african people do not have any Neanderthal traits, but it would be more correct, scientifically to say, that AFRICAN PEOPLE DO NOT RETAIN certain traits because a lot of the Neaderthal traits were tranferred in THE SKIN CELLS!!! And also, in respect to the SCIENCE OF COLOR, White people, as you have alluded to, are not necesarrily defined as Neanderthals because they are White, but the color of being 'White' is not only determined by one origin. the color 'white' or etc. light skinned, can come from the African mankind. This can easily be seen due to the science of 'CAT COAT COLOR' and 'HORSE COAT COLOR', but due to White Supremacy and an intense time in ancient times of INBREEDING and SELECTIVE BREEDING, there is a confusion today as all humans contain MARKINGS of the reproduction that occurred a long time ago. This is why I say that scientist have delibarely contradicted themselves.

@Troy In terms of your statement; [1] How to you feel about 'THE ONE DROP RULE?' Do you believe that if a White person has ONE DROP OF BLACK BLOOD then, they are Black or African? And think about this question; [2] If a European person marries an Asian person and has an offspring, then are they only European, or are they Asian, or BI-CULTURAL or, dual-Species, or one species? And, I have yet two more questions that may help me to further explain my research on this subject of 'SAPIENS'; [3] If a man and a woman marries and has an offspring and that offspring is born with perhaps, a form of MENTAL RETARDATION and this is a recognized pattern in the male's ancestry, should this issue not be significant in an attempt to understand why this is occurring? and lastly, [4] What if a man and a woman marry and has an offspring and afterwards it becomes obvious that baby is born A FEMALE with female reproductive organs but also is born with a combination of MALE REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS and byway of Genetic testing it is recognized [observed' that the father has an EXTRA X SEX CHROMOSOME with a SRY-MALE SEX GENE attached to this X SEX Chromosome. Furthermore, it is a determined a proven factor that NO INDIGENOUS AFRICAN MAN has this issue but it is a pattern that continues to show up in a high percentage of White Europeans and furthermore------- DRUM ROLL HERE ----- it is a pattern that defined in NEANDERTHALS? Should scientist recognize this kind of GENETIC information to determined a distinction with regards to SPECIES of HOMO SAPIENS? CONCLUSION: Even though humans come from a particular origin scientist makes classifications with regards to GENETIC MARKS that show up at differnt times in the past. So there are phrases like HOMO ERECTUS, and HOMO FLORENSIES [sp?], and HOMO SAPIENS, and HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN ane etc. Also due to certain GENETIC MARKINGS known as MUTATIONS, this is one basis for different classifications of species.

@Troy On the other hand, though, if you flip this phrase the other way, then the answer would be different. If you were to say; There is a single physical characteristic of so called race of people that is not present in White Europeans, but actually present in original African people, then you might understand the distinction between indigenous Africans versus 'some' kinds [ie. kindreds] of people on this earth. Also, regarding 'physical characteristics' and the issue of GENETICS ther is definitely a distinction that determines the unique species of people on this earth.

@Pioneer1 Yes, I agree. I use this term and others for lack of better terms in this English language too. And I do agree with much of what you have written. But regarding the term, 'Caucasian' even though I know that today European scholars use this term too, in the description of White people, but I have another deeper understanding about this term too. NOw, here, I have a problem with this understanding and here is why. I majored in Biology and have done extra research. So I also consider the term GENOTYPE and PHENOTYPE. As you said earlier, Phenotype is determined by GENES. Therefore, I think you may have this backwards. A persons GENOTYPE determines a persons' 'race' based on my understanding. Absolutely!!! Absolutely!!!

@Troy You know, I believe we have been mis-educated on this score. Scientist say that the Denisovans died out but the Neanderthals lived for a long time afterwards. Also scientist day that the Neanderthals died out, but here again, they have contradicted themselves. If Neanderthals breeded with Europeans and etc. and lived contemporary with the modern humans 'Homo sapian sapian' [a distinct species] then, what this really means is that the Neanderthos DID NOT DIED OUT ALTOGEHTER!. So while their dominant presence has died out, however, ... Uh! LIke I said, this is a contradiction. So hey, maybe after a million years from now, humans might still be existing but what they look like... who knows.... but they may still possess some type of commonality due to a continuous presence through some type of 'reproduction', resurrection or whatever the term may be...

@Troy Uh, in terms of species, Genera, Family grouping; there are sets of chromosomes that do identify certain classifications of Humans.

But, the problemI am having, @Pioneer1 is that these terms that are used today and defined by this Western Civilization is a confusion for me because I see a deeper issue here. And this is why I still don't understand the debate over the term 'race' today. For example, I have heard many people argue about the term 'African' in that it is not the correct term to define Black people from this continent we know today to be 'Africa' based on sound reasoning. I want to say I understand you but then, I still don't understand this term 'race' on a wider scale. 'The African race'-- why not be known as 'the race of Kemet' or 'the Hamitic race' or 'the Negro race'; all of these terms can carry a unique definition one from the other. --So what about 'the South Africans that are White and Blonde hair'; they don't fit the definition that I have in my mind about being 'African' based on traits as you have pointed out. I may be over thinking this, but still, it is a confusion for me. As @Troy did say, I prefer to use the term 'Species' when I address 'races' today. Oops! There it is. Maybe this is why I am confused on this issue. I'm not even sure about this either. Confusing. Why do I say this? Well there are many other kinds of 'Nubian people' that may stem from 'the Orginal Nubian' and have unique traits but then there are other people that lost this identity altogether and would not be considered Nubian anymore. However, some people still may identify as Nubian even though they don't look nothing like the Original Nubians and in this sense, there is a conflict. This goes the same for the term 'Germanic'. What is an Original German?

@TroyYOu know, I agree but scientist contradict themselves even in this regards. There statements about the Neaderthal and the percentage found in Europeans and Asians versus Africans shows this contradiction. I don't know about that. White Supremacy has been pretty resilient for a long time, a long, long time. Your quote about 'having a gun and using it' pretty much some up how violent this supremacy movement has been. Even though it seems to me, when I see Black people in the Olympics, percentage-wise they are a resililent people but then, nevertheless, we are a minority and Black men have filled up the prisons in the majority. On the other hand, White people are a majority. So it seems that Black people may be the ones that may die out first, anyways, if things keep going in this way. YOu know, I thought I said Black Africans as a whole. Did I say Americans? I have to read what I wrote. But yes, that would be too restrictive even regarding Black AFricans, however, I was thinking differently but wrote the wrong phrase. I was actually thinking in terms of a time way before Africans were known as such. I've been to visit the Smithsonian. I saw the Human origin museum. Every HOMONID presented was either Black or very dark skinned, all except for the Neanderthal and he existed for a long time without the presence of the Black Homonids based on the dates offered. So in this regards, I don't believe that I am exaggerating.