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@Pioneer1 I've been busy... Aside from your believing in historical dated accounts as being myths, I won't comment for now. But no, RUDDY does not mean 'BLOOD RED', it means BROWNISH-RED. As I have stated, this definition has been altered, but it is science based. So, I will return with some references. As I have said, the same melanin that is in humans and in hair is the exact same in all plants and animals. There are only two. EUMELANIN (which is BLACK) and, PHAEOMELANIN [sp?] which is RED. These two types are found in human and animal skin, hair, and eye cells is from the same!-- and the variations that gives rise to other colors stem from these two! Therefore, the terms RUDDY is scienced-based and your sources have altered that term so as to extract the Black-AFRICAN presence in their translated scrips. Pioneer why are you asking 'why am I throwing all of this information at you' ? I am supposing that you don't want me to debate. So, I will refrain. But would still provides some references about the color 'RUDDY' based on my research in how this term as been altered.

THE 1ST COPPER AGE The story of the fossil meteorites... So, even though this information has been suppressed for over thousands of years, in ancient times, it was common knowledge due to the many quarries all over the world from which the FIRST COPPER AGE stems from! Today, these quarries are still being mined because there are certain elements that cannot be extracted in raw form! So, therefore, the copper quarried in the beginning came from men mining for certain element especially that of NICKEL, and this was the crucial component to making the Copper metal! The kind of NICKEL needed to make this first copper into products that were traded worldwide in ancient times came from an element called COBALT, and this made the finished product we know today as COPPER, but in the past the first copper age also produced BRASS and this was actually referred to as a type of 'COPPER'! Here is the amazing fact about certain element ions of COBALT; it is absolutely NOT stable at room temperature. In fact this is a major component used in the the making of nuclear material as I was trained extensively on this COBALT 56 when I as a Nuclear & Radiation Worker [RADCON] at a previous shipyard. So even though, today's scientist make it seem as if this is new information, rather it is not. It became very common knowledge in the ancient world especially in the western Mediterranean civilizations because this was where the Copper AGe began. The SECOND COPPER AGE occurred around the time of the New Kingdom Period around the 1800s BC and other specific elements were used to make other kinds of products including Bronze. ASTRONOMY.COM The story of the fossil meteorites What four small pieces of rock can teach us about the history of the solar system. By David Boehnlein / Published: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 …The Thorsberg Quarry Among the wooded hills along the southeast shore of Lake Vänern in southern Sweden, a line of rust-colored bluffs overlooks a smaller lake where limestone has been quarried for many years. This is the Thorsberg quarry, near the town of Kinnekulle. http://www.astronomy.com/news/2017/11/the-story-of-the-fossil-meteorites King Tut’s dagger was made from meteorite A new analysis proves that the iron dagger found in the Egyptian king’s tomb had a celestial origin. BRYAN NELSON June 1, 2016, 1:27 a.m. The meteoric origin of the dagger was discovered using X-ray fluorescence spectrometry, which found that the blade contained an unusually high amount of nickel — a characteristic of meteorites. Artifacts produced with ordinary iron ore quarrying typically display only 4 percent of nickel at most, but Tut's weapon contained nearly 11 percent nickel. https://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/stories/king-tuts-dagger-was-made-meteorite "The nickel and cobalt ratio in the dagger blade is consistent with that of iron meteorites that have preserved the primitive chondritic ratio during planetary differentiation in the early solar system," explained Daniela Comelli, lead author on the study... https://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/stories/king-tuts-dagger-was-made-meteorite

@Pioneer1 LOL! NOOOOoooo don't use a man to give me advice about being physically fit!!! LOL.

@Troy Thank you! @Delano So true! @Pioneer1This sounds like what Kimberly Crenshaw [sp?] has been saying all along. She uses the term 'Intersectionality' to show how many issues in our culture become overshadowed when White women add their mistreatment from White men and etc. @Pioneer1ABSOLUTELY NOT!! @Cynique Thank you!

@Pioneer1 Following, is the link you provided: the Hebrew word for "man". It could be ultimately derived from Hebrew אדם ('adam) meaning "to be red", referring to the ruddy colour of human skin, or from Akkadian adamu meaning "to make". https://www.behindthename.com/name/adam But in this same link, it continues... According to Genesis in the Old Testament Adam was created from the earth by God (there is a word play on Hebrew אֲדָמָה ('adamah) "earth"). https://www.behindthename.com/name/adam Your link is showing that 'Hebrew language' that is not from the older civilizations! Nevertheless, it still is presenting some truth, but they are just not defining it in completeion and with regards to the very land of KEMET in that it means BLACK EARTH! Here is a published book: Exploring Religion in Ancient Egypt presents an overviewof the beliefs, sacred rituals, and eligious practices of thepeople of Kemet – literally, “the Black Land”– whose Nile Valley population stretched from Aswan to theMediterranean coast beginning from circa 3100 B.C. https://books.google.com/books/about/Exploring_Religion_in_Ancient_Egypt.html?id=lcblBQAAQBAJ Modern scholars of the western civilization have defined terms to extract the Black presence but the earliest of cilizations are set in these KEMET lands.

@Pioneer1 I am adding some picture references. But firstly, I requested that you provide references and you did, so I should thank you! Now then, I want to say too, that in this reference, it did use the word 'RUDDY' to correlate to Adam, and it used the word 'ADAMAH. However, I also want to add that, trying to confirm truth, is difficult for anyone today, especially when today's scholars deliberately fluctuate from their own records too! This source link actually contradicts what they said. I have found too, that they try to alter the definition of the word RUDDY and extract that it actually means BROWNISH-RED and not just reddish! And again, the Hebrew source that you refer to, is not the Original Hebrew language but stems from the publication around AD 500s. This publication sparked the violence that came from the Islamic men and the Karaite Jews. My research goes much farther back to the civilizations of KEMET that are dated at the time the Bible dates ADAM. Adam does not even mean RUDDY, but again, BLACK or, BLACK-RED, if you do include that aspect. So I do agree with you in how 'red' can be included in on the definition of Adam, but it is not as you are saying in terms of being 'fair skinned'. Therefore, here are some picture references to show you that, the KEMET people identified with this 'RED BLOOD' that they too possessed in relation to them also being of 'the BLACK EARTH', which would be the definition of the name 'KEMET'. The early KEMET CIVILIZATIONS DID define themselves as being BLACK-RED in more than one aspect and it was a prevalent theme in their ancient artwork and more: ANCIENT CRETE MINOA In college, I was required to take ART HISTORY and this is what is taught, in that the ancient Minoan columns were red-black all over their city-civilizations. So even though the link you provided shows the word RUDDY, this would not even be true.

AFRICAN AMERICANS, EGYPT, ETHIOPIANS & AFRICA~ What’s the Distinction? The god PTAH? … Part 1. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Part 2--- HIGH SCIENCE—METEORS of the Past & Present—the Copper Age Hayabusa-2: Japan’s rovers send pictures from asteroid 22 September 2018 Japan’s space agency (JAXA) has made history by successfully landing two robotic explorers on the surface of an asteroid. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45598156 If it had not been for what I have researched, I would not understand the desire to finance certain endeavors of Space Exploration projects of big governments today. But even now, I do not comprehend much about this subject. However, the little that I do understand seems to be very fascinating. There are two distinct Copper Ages of ancient times and apparently the First Copper Age [ie. Chalcolithic Period] was based on a certain type of Copper and another element used as part of the copper smelting technology. Although the information seems hard to source, apparently the start of this ancient trade involved some types of elements that was not a natural part of the earth but, was the result of a meteor that fell to earth. Also during this early period around the 3000s BC, another element was mined to produce the BRASS industry. These ancient trades mark the first well recorded KEMET CIVILIZATION and they became known by specific names especially THE KHETY PEOPLE due to them becoming known as Metalsmiths. Around 3500 BC, would mark them in their civilization as a CLASSICAL AGE. During this one-thousand-year time period too, the Khety people mark a change in the world from being ‘hunter gatherers’ to becoming ‘planter-farmers’. So, they also known as agriculturalist and then too, they became marked for their trade in keeping cattle. These northeastern Kemet people though, did not form their city-civilization in the northeast, however, without their interaction with the Kemet civilization down in the South world of Africa, where the handwritings were on the walls. History shows though, that the Kemet people of the northeast world came to dominate over the earliest city-civilizations. Outwardly, these early civilizations came to represent ‘a dual city civilization’ such as the later ‘Enoch-Enoch’ civilization, but inwardly, it was the northeast Khety people that dominated and they became oppressive. However, up from the south of Upper Egypt came a Black eastern man, named Narmer-the-Unifier, and with his force he overthrew the Asiatics. However, because Narmer was too, a Khety man, his generations eventually led the South World back into oppression. Narmer’s descendants started the First Dynastic line in ancient Egypt in North Africa but, this line was overthrown eventually byway of the FIRST THEBAN DYNASTY of Kemet, which was the 4th Dynasty. So to recap, here are some of the names that identify this Khety Kemet people who came to dominate over the South world: A Recap from part one: The 1st Dynasty--- NARMER and his descendants mark this first Dynasty. Most of his names ARE link him to being BLACK. And, He was ‘a KHETY MAN’, meaning eastern [ie Oriental] from his male origins. Adamah. He came up from the south of Africa and warred against the Asiatics. It was his generations that dominated the next dynasties. From this early dynastic line, the name of HETI has been recorded: FIRST DYNASTY Three other names -Heti, Rekhit and Saiset- have also been found in combination with Aha's name, as well as in tombs in Saqqara, Naqada and Abydos. It is obvious that these names belonged to high officials in Aha's government. … https://ancientegyptianbc.blogspot.com/2017/02/horus-aha.html SECOND DYNASTY—Last Ruler Khasekhemwy had a dual heritage, part western and part eastern and shows the root name KHEM---KEMET. He was the father of Djoser. There was a lot of civil conflicts during this time between the North and the South. THIRD DYNASTY—Djoser was the most famous. But here are some other names of this dynasty that are descendants of Narmer, the Bull King: Horus-name Netjerikhet --- DJOSER ----- consort--- Hetephernebti Horus-name SEKHEMKHET ---- Djoserty ----- consort Djeseretnebti Horus-name- SANAKHT --- Nebka So there are many variations of the name KHETY—Netjerikhet [KHET], Sekhemkhet [KHET] and SanaKHT [ie. KHT]. Many times ‘KHT’ would be how it was written. In the name ‘SEKHEM-KHET’ the link to the South world LIONESS GODDESS shows a dual heritage in this person. … cont. ======================================================

@Pioneer1 That is interesting but doesn't seem to make sense and here is why; You believe that the African trait of bushy hair is more recessive than straight hair!? So even though this hair type is unique of having bushy hair, you believe that White Europeans and East Indians with straight hair are more dominant and again, that bushy hair is recessive!? That does not match any scientific proven analysis! Okay, and the 'keener features' in contrast and comparison to the African traits means that you believe that FULLER LIPS and HIPS of AFrican people are recessive traits and that the FLATTER HIPS and the THIN LIPS are more dominant and this 'BLACK KEENER FEATURES' are unique from White people and Africans? That does not make sense, and it is NOT SCIENTIFIC. @Pioneer1 That you believe that Africans and their trait of bushy hair and fuller lips and hips stem from East Africans with their traits that show, as do White Europeans, of oftentimes possessing flatter hips and thin lips and straight would be saying that White Europeans and East Indians express the more DOMINANT TRAITS and that the human species today, MODERN HUMANS originate from EAST INDIA? THAT IS NOT A THEORY or even an HYPOTHESIS. It matches no scietific data. It doesn't even match historical data as India did not have the first civilizations. This would be a contradiction because, as you have also stated, there is a high percentage of TALL, BLACK or, DARK SKINNED NUBIANS in this part of Africa. Because of the hundreds of years of transatlantic slave trade, it would be West AFrica that expresses a lot of European admixture too. So, the Genetics of Africans would not necessarily be based upon what you are saying.

LOL @Pioneer1 I understand that is what you want to believe, in that BLACK AFRICAN PEOPLE DON'T BLUSH! They don't have RED BLOOD going through their veins. Interesting. Well, I have presented the scientific recent information in that even the White Scientist report that ALL Y-DNA have this BASAL A MARK in all of their chromosomes and this is global. And this BASAL Mark branches off and the distinction in sub-groups all over the world who have lost the ability to show the dominant African traits are reflected in their Chromosomes . . . even the Black and dark skinned people of East India and elsewhere. Nevertheless, they all have this mark that is dominant in Africa, but you want to believe that East Indians do not have this same mark, that even White Europeans have that lead back to AN AFRICAN MALE ORIGIN . . . and you attribute their straight hair to being a different kind of BLACK PRESENCE. I understand you. Oh well...

Well, obviously because we, African American DOS (Descendants Of Slaves), come from different countries in Africa and etc. and it would take three (3) North American continents to fit inside the huge continent of Africa, this would be a huge task to narrow down for a complete answer. But this would be a quest for so many of us to find completion because of our ancestors being displaced from their origins and that has ultimately left many of us disconnected. Like the many viral stories that have high ratings on television shows that feature accounts of how people have been in search and then reunited to their birth parents after being adopted from birth, this subject of knowing one’s origin will always be a human desire for many. The ancestry.com companies will no doubt always be in business for many people of many different cultures who spend money for a DNA test to find out their country and ancestral origins. But for me as a poor person, I am not that interested in spending money to learn this truth. So I have learned to appreciate technology today that this government affords and for that reason, I use this method to do research to learn about the past in general. My passion too, would be to share my research in a way that others with questions may find better answers that they have about the history of Africa, the Motherland, with regards to their origins. One main approach that I use would also be through a breakdown of certain words used in ancient script to define history and plotting them on a timeline so that it may become common knowledge to others as they apply to past and present. Due to a lot of information about ANCIENT EGYPT, I believe this would be a good country to begin to unfold in order to better understand the history of the African continent. -------- Before 6000 BC ---4000 BC –3000 BC--- 2000 BC --- 1000 BC --------- Before 6000 BC – The Jomon Archeology, the Ukrainian Archeology … Before 4000 BC – the Amratian Period, the Gerzean A & B Period … Around 3500 BC – the First Copper Age Around 3000 BC—Amen-the-Unifier—Mound Building in Egypt … Around 2000 BC---the Intermediate Period Around 1000 BC---David & the Egyptians Due to our American Educational system after the Separation of Church and State, there are two (2) different bits of history recorded at this same time but with distinct terminology, but I am going to highlight the commonality as I have written about initially. But now, I will add on. I wrote about the famous Egyptian High priest IMHOTEP and the Biblical Noah both recorded to be in the same time period. Now I will add on to a later period. Even before his time, the Egyptian god PTAH was a supreme form of worship, however, Imhotep became known as the High Priest of PTAH. This would be one key term to getting a better understanding of the origin of humanity today. THE Egyptian God PTAH This term, ‘PTAH’ can be written in many forms, nevertheless, it has a rich meaning. This would be the very name of the Biblical Noah’s firstborn son, JAPHETH [ie. YAPHETH, Ja-PETAH …]. So, this word literally refers to EGYPT [ie. EGY—PETAH… Egypetah]. So, Imhotep and the Biblical Noah have more than one aspect in common. My research also shows that, not only does many of the names of the descendants of the Biblical JapHeth are still in use today, but these names agree with ancient history too. However, hundreds of years before JapHeth existed and also, hundreds of years even before Imhotep existed, this name ‘EGYPT’ was common in other forms. One particular time period and term may help to understand ancient history even more; the Copper Age and METALSMITH. According to archeology and thousands of years after the STONE AGE and many artifacts were made during the Jomon civilization, the COPPER AGE became marked to occur during the 3000s BC. This would be the time period that Cain existed. The story goes that Cain brought ‘an offering’ to the Lord and also, he was ‘a tiller of the ground’. Now we have been taught that Cain was an AGRICULTURALIST, and this would be true, but only part truth; He also tilled the ground for metal. Cain and his descendants became MASTER METALSMITHS as well and this would be the name that identifies his descendants for thousands of years; KHETY [KHETH]. So over a thousand years before JapHETH existed, this name identified KEMET people in the NORTHEAST in Ancient Anatolia. So, as we fast forward this history to thousands of years after Imhotep, the High Priest of PTAH, after the end of the Old Pyramid Age and after the 11th Dynasty which brings us to the New Kingdom Period of the 12th Dynasty and then the technology of the HORSE and CHARIOT Period of the Hyksos, this same term shows up again in script in other variants. THE ANATOLIAN CAPITAL in Central Turkey—the country of the HETHITES & WHITE HETH These terms became common terms to define A Separatist civilization during the time of the 12th Dynasty. The people of Heth were a certain kind of original Blacks or dark skinned people of the north eastern world and the term WHITE HETH or HITTITE defined the Indo-Europeans of that same country. So there is so much more history behind these terms, but this would be a start. Today, terms like ‘HITLER’ and ‘WHITE’ [ie. W-HITE] all stem from this origin. So now, when the ancient scripts shows terms like ‘HETEPHERES’ [a wife of Seneferu; 4th DYNASTY Egypt], or ‘the Children of Heth and the Hittites’ and etc., it refers to Khety people who originated from the original BLACK KEMET people known by this name during the Copper Age around 3000s BC. And the South world people in Egypt became dominated by this Northeastern civilization. But then at the turn of the millennium, up from the south, Upper Egypt, came NARMER-THE-BLACK-BULL-KING, an Eastern man himself, who overthrew the Asiatics and unified Upper and Lower Egypt. So now, to fast forward this history. . . cont.

@Pioneer1 Based on your statement: There are 2 "Black races":1. African Blacks with the kinky hair, short noses, thick lips, ect2. Indian Blacks from India with the straight hair, thin noses, thin lips, ect.. My Great-grandmother, the slave girl had one son that married; this woman, MY GRANDMOTHER was BI-RACIAL. She was part Tuscaroran and part EAST INDIAN. Her father, MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER was from EAST INDIA. Specifically, He was from PAKISTAN when it was part of India. He left due to war which eventually led to India becoming divided. He married, a Tuscaroran woman. His daughter, again, was my Grandmother. So, due to my Great-grandmother the slave girl who was also intermixed with this EAst Indian heritage, and her daughter-in-law, that would be part of my origin as well. Based on my relatives and my own offspring, we look like many of those EAst Indians who have those aquiline features you speak about. They do not all have straight hair!!! What is common though is that many of them have very black hair, whether it is an afro, curly or bushy. Many Ethiopians have this 'combination-trait'. I don't think you realize the origins of East Indians!?----- GUESS WHAT!? Their origins based on all of their ancient script is DRUM ROLL ........ AFRICANS!!! So, then, I think it would be a good time to share my research on this very subject, and hope to start a thread about this.

@Pioneer1 Oh no! Pioneer, where is this written? 4000 years ago = 2000 BC. Slavery was not in that region at that time!!! Slavery started in MESOPOTAMIA around that time and then it spread farther westwards, NOT in India and not by the Caucasians, but it was the SUMERIANS themselves that are recorded for this BLACK-ON-BLACK issue of Slavery. In ANCIENT SYRIA, there are many accounts of the TRADE SYSTEM in that area that eventually spread down south into 'the Middle East' but again, it was instigated by 'Eastern' and 'Asiatic people' but the aggression and intense oppression was done byway of BLACK PEOPLE. And though, I do agree in that some of these Black people could be defined as being 'CAUCASIAN' but that term was not common at this time. I also agree too, that some of these 'African-typed CAUCASIANS' DID ACTUALLY MIGRATED DOWN FROM THE CAUCASUS. The Sumerians were influenced by these 'ETHNIC' or 'African-typed Caucasians'. They were definitely influenced by Eastern people and Asiatics, but it was BLACK-ON-BLACK. It was not in India. And, Yes, I told you, this is the date given in the Smithsonian and other records! Also, I also named other secular terminologies of civilizations that historians reference such as the Jomon civilization, and so much more! However, based on other studies, I too don't believe that this is actually confirmed beyond perhaps, 10,000 years for any Homonids. There are many records that show the absolute absence of Black Africans during times where primitive and early Homonids existed and were recorded in rock art all over this earth! Come on! Now, that is just ridiculous to say. Human beings are not apes or monkeys because we have a higher form of communication! Script is the process used to confirm history. LOL-- VIOLENT GENE!? That is just too funny. I am speechless and dumbfounded on that score. I've never heard of 'a violent gene' causing people to have bad behavior. UH OH!!!? Here we go . . . DRUM ROLL . . . I guess it would now be a good time to share my ancestry being that my ancestor is from East Africa . . .

@Pioneer1*sigh . . . Thank you for the reference, but the Genome project was published in 2012. So, what your reference is saying is that the DNA showing all Y-DNA linked to the African man is incorrect and what is being seen in the chromosomes for all mankind is 'a trick of the eye'? Why now, whould White scientist lie about that? Why would they lie about originating from a Black AFrican origin? And your statements about Black men earlier than the 'PRe-Adamah', where is your reference on this in correlation to 'the African Y-DNA? I DO!!! I told you that I was REDDISH when I was born and I had RED HAIR. My cousins, a lot of them were also born with REDDISH TONE and RED HAIR. My AUNT was born with RED HAIR. MY SECOND COUSIN has A VERY RED AFRO and he maintained this RED SKIN. My male cousin, is nick named RED because he still has a REDDISH tone. And we are all BLACK/BROWN, Dark skinned, BROWN-REDDISH SKINNED. This in on both, my paternal side and my maternal side. There are so many AFrican-typed people that are REDDISH. As far as ADAM and the link that you provided from 'HEBREW' language, that is so INCOMPLETE just based on well . . . ME!!! LOL! I am brown skinned and 'I fail the paper bag test.' I am not fair skinned at all. My research shows that ADAM or ADAMAH is not only defined as being RED, but it includes so much more. Sometimes, his name is also spelled ADHAM and in the Bible it is stated that all men were called ADAMAH. Prior to The African man, again, there is NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF of any Y-DNA other than THE AFRICAN MAN, no matter if there is other proof of the presence of the Neanderthals or the previous HOMONIDS. Today, there is NO Y-DNA present other than THE AFRICAN MAN. You do understand that this name ADHAM is the origin of the name HAM [ie. CHAM]; and HAM IS A NAME THAT DEFINES AFRICANS? So, I get you, in that you believe that A WHITE MAN is the origin of White people, and you are correcting scientist today, White scientist who say that they come from the AFrican man. WOW.

PICTURES of EARLY CAUCASIAN~ ORIGINS from EGYPT & NORTH AFRICA!? I think this topic fits the title CULTUE-RACE-ECONOMY because it does hint at some possible deep roots that someone might relate to now or later. This would not be the correct term, ‘CAUCASIAN’, in my opinion, to understand the geographical and historical truth, and this would be a broad term. And here in America, it exclusively refers to Europeans (especially ‘White’ Europeans), but this term happens to define a much different people in the past. It would also take a lot of research to uncover the complete truth. But firstly, some picture references may help to show how recent this term actually was changed to define Europeans during our modern times. To mark this time period, I believe a good term to use would be THE SARACENS. These leaders in and around the GREATER CAUCASUS MOUNTAINS and the LESSER CAUCASUS MOUNTAINS were in conflict with the Saracens, which would put them to be in this Northeastern area around the time of the CRUSADES, the AD 1000s. And they were also came into conflict with the SELJUKS TURKS [ie. KARAITES] as well. GEORGE III By Unknown painter of the 13th century. The image is a photo reproduction of the 13th-century mural from Betania Monastery. It was first published by Prince Gagarin in the 1840s and has since been republished in multiple resources, Public Domain. The maternal name that became common for this dynasty was named RUSUDAN [ie. RU-SUDAN]. He was the father of Queen Tamar the Great. Like most of these rulers, George III married an Iranian-typed woman [ie. ALANS, or ALANIA]. So by the time that Tamar was born, the term ‘Ru’ or ‘Tamar’, meaning ‘REDDISH-BROWN’ [ie. Ruddy] was common. Nevertheless, other depictions still show the dominant ethnic presence within this dynasty. The next depiction of a Georgian ruler in this ‘Caucasion dynasty’ would be another relative: DAVID VI NARIN By Anonymous - Mural from the Gelati Monastery, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=8091304 He was the son of a ‘Queen Rusudan’. And yet another depiction of another Georgian ruler would be Demetrius I who lived around c. 1093-1156, which would be after the Seljuk Turks were on the scene. DEMETRIUS I By Michael Maghlakeli - [1], Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=8847349 “Demetrius was the eldest son of King David the Builder by his first wife Rusudan. He was brought up in Kutaisi. As a commander, he took part in his father’s battles against Seljuks, …” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_I_of_Georgia Modern historians do not define these Bagratids as being Jews but, I believe that they were intermixed. They clashed with the Seljuks Turks [ie. OGHUZ Turks] of whom definitely were ‘BLACK’ [IE KARA mean Black], but does not mean that they were not at least inter-mixed. Nevertheless, Tamar the Great marks another time when these Georgians were intermixing with the ‘Indo-Europeans’ to the southeast of them in and around Iran. The SARACEN leader, SALADIN, at this time barred most of the Crusaders from going into Jerusalem, but he did allow Queen Tamar to come with her entourage. Tamar married an ALANIAN man like her mother. But, the historians say that she was depicted as being more Iranian featured that she really had been. At any rate, following are some picture references of the CAUCASUS REGIONS and the ALANS that today are known as Ossetian: ALAN WOMAN Ossetian woman in traditional clothes, early years of the 20th century So today, the term Caucasian exclusively defines Europeans and a recent video, of which I posted, about a DNA REPORT of a handsome European couple. It shows this beautiful young ‘White’ European woman as she defines herself as being pure Caucasian. Her report came back that she was 99.9% Caucasian. Interestingly, this video shows an excellent example of how this term has become ‘a social construct of today’ and different from ancient times. In this video, the wife chuckled at her husband when he too, said that he believed that he was also at least 75% Caucasian. He humorously chided with her seemingly showing disbelief because of his noticeably darker skin tone and said that he had tightly curly hair. However, his report was just about what he had predicted. Likewise my research too, shows that the term ‘CAUCASIAN’ actually refers to the ‘Original Caucasians’ who were very dark brown skinned and, yes, ‘African-typed’, although the term would not be ‘African’ in their description. The term ‘CAUCASIAN’, based on my research actually did not originally refer to skin color or the Europeans of today, but it referred an ancient trade and maybe religion. The root word ‘CAUCA’ came to mean ‘BROWN SKINNED’ in early times. BROWN-ASIAN or BLACK/BROWN ASIAN. But even before that time, the term ‘Cauca-ASIAN’ meant ‘COW-Asian’ because that was a major aspect of their early formations. But yes, the early Caucasians did come to correlate to being ‘White’ Europeans because that was the Supreme deity that was worshiped in that region; THE WHITE GODDESS. So, before this term became common, the Original Caucasians or Brown-Asians, were known by many other terms. Anyway, here are some references and well, I resorted to initially using Wikipedia, but hope to get more later: CAUCASIANS …have usually included some or all of the ancient and modern population of Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa. [3] First introduced in the 1780s by members of the Gottingen School of History, [4] . . . Ancient and modern “Caucasoid” populations were thus held to have ranged in complexion from white to dark brown. [7] … In the United States, the root term Caucasian has also often been used in a different societal context as a synonym for “white” or “of European ancestry”. [10][11] Its usage in American English has been criticized. [12] … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

They are trying to intimidate her! This absolutely reminds me of Anita Hill.

@Delano These beautiful people over their were and are severely oppressed and I watched a documentary showing how,they went through the same racism during the 1960s that we did over here. They were outlawed from being able to go into ice cream shops and etc.

"And now that Caucasians have physically left much of Africa many of them are going right back to it." @Pioneer1 I don't understand why you think that Caucasians have left much of Africa? But maybe it would be a good time to share my research on this term. I guess because you believe that Caucasians began 6000 years ago [ie 4000 BC] then you may believe that this BLACK VIOLENCE began around that time with the instigation of "CAUCASIAN WOMEN" being born from "the Modern Man"; a white man named 'JACUB' or is it, 'ADAM'? I guess then, you believe that the White Modern Man with the anthropology that we express today, did not come from THE AFRICAN MAN? And, the White Europeans originated separately from the African man and never we in Africa? They began in Europe? Well, anyway, I hope to share my research on why I feel that the term you use 'Caucasian' may be a form of 'mis-education' and may add to the confusion going on today, at least in America anyway.

"It appears that many of our people whether in the Americas or in Africa have had tribal beefs and wars that go back centuries even before slavery and colonialism." Well, yes, I agree as I did say this previously. Which is why, DRUM ROLL . . . . . . the Black presence of the Homonids won't ever be coming back again!!! So says the Bible. LOL! Also, the viable Neanderthal MALES will also NOT come back again . . . EVER!!! They were too violent! So, even though I have hinted at the obssession with regards to the selective breeding and inbreeding that went on in antiquity with the quest to reproduce White males without having to have 'Kinky sex with the Africans', this effort has failed long ago. So, the Male presence of the pre-modern mankind has been erased from this earth. Unfortunately, the Black African world is mimicking what happened way back when, and it's all due to 'mis-education' and Colorism and the White Supremacist movement. So, I agree with you in that today, we can't blame this type of BLACK HATRED and BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE on slavery because it goes way back in time even before the modern mankind. I appreciate the video too and I can understand why ti would be good to have 'a code'. In theory, it would be good, but do you believe @Pioneer1 that 'all African Americans would conform?'

@Pioneer1 No, I absolutely do NOT agree with this statement. Can you provide some references to the term "Yacub" dated 6,000 years ago [ie. 4000 BC] in which was the beginning of the White Suprecacist movement? I stated that the White Supremacy MOvement started long before 4000 BC! The now EXTINCT Homonids prior to the Neanderthals existed for thousands of years before even the Neanderthals are dated to exist, based on the Smithsonian. ~ 500,000 years ago. The Black origins I refer to is now extinct and they won't be coming back LOL! "...the fact that many of our families and communities are STILL dysfunctional can't be blamed primarily on the after effects of slavery." So true. I agree. "How can that be attributed to slavery or it's after effects?" I think this answer is in your previous statement: "Those are young men..." Hence, the very problem. They are young men . . . and you continued . . . "Those are young men who for DECADES have taken pride and delight in murdering other men of color, violence, and smoking dope." DECADES . . . You need to go a little farther back to about 400 years on the slave yard where this kind of behavior was rewarded.

LOL! You are saying in a authoritative statement, that they are not European, but that is so NOT true. The Europeans "came from the east". Also, I presented articles in the previous threads about the research that does linke a small percentage of DNA of the DENISOVANS to the Melanesians and yes, Australian Aborigines. I spoke about the MRCA-- MOST RECENT COMMON ANCESTOR of the Neanderthals and their linke to the Denisovans. I said that the DENISOVANS were EXTINCT. The Melanesian people and the other distinct people that show this small percentage are not African but scientist say they have more Semitic origins that do Europeans though. We are all GLOBALLY INTERMIXED and we all on this earth show varying degrees of ancient pre-modern DNA presence. The Australians show that trait because of their specific GENE ARRANGEMENT and their early intermixture from which the Europeans and other Asiatic-type people today come from. Nevertheless, the Y-DNA means that the AFRICAN ORIGINS is the obvious proof that even the Melanesians and Aboriginal Australians have this AFRICAN ORIGIN---Just as the scientist admit that even the 'White'--European man also come from this same African Origin. Therefore, just as Europeans, the Melanesians and the Aboriginal Australians are NOT-pre-modern homonids. They are HOMO-SAPIENS--modern humans. So no, the Melanesians and Aboriginal Australians cannot be Neanderthal for more reasons than one. Neanderthals are distinctly 'white' [IE DON'T HAVE MELANIN in their skin as the modern mankind]. The Denisovans and other earlier hominids are all very dark skinned and they are classified based on other anthropological basis too and etc.

@Pioneer1 The Hebrew Bible that you are quoting is dated after the Persian Empire times. It is a translation after the Black Babylonians were overthrown around the 500s BC, but their script was not completed until AD 500s, almost a thousand years after the Persian Empire times. So then, I now understand where that word 'Nephilim' comes from based on what you are saying. The Septugint was translated out of the Original Hebrews into the KIONE Greek language in 200 BC. the King James Version was based on the MASORETIC TEXT that was sparked by the violence that erupted byway of the KARAITE Jews over the Samartians who were from the Helenistice movement. Today, even the White Jews don't refute that the Hebrew Text "Tanakh" and etc. that your refer to has over 500 contradictions from the ancient Aramaic script and PHonecian and KIONE text the original Septuagint was based upon. The Islamic men and the KARAITE JEWS swept through North Africa all the way to Northwest Africa and up into Byzantine during the AD 400s over this very issue of the White Syrians and Hellenes and Sarmatian Jews that wrote their own version of the Pentatuch. You speak 'as a matter of fact', but if you give references, then maybe I can debate better. In reference to 'Adam' and his son Cain; this would be a contradiction due to the Y-DNA GENOME research that shows all MALES today stem from the AFRICAN MAN. How then could Adam be white? So far, there is nothing that proves that the WHITE MAN reproduced MALES ORIGINALLY without the presence of the African origin. Daughters of 'men' therefore, you are defining as daughters of 'Adam' the African man.

@Troy Yes, I can see where that term "non-Black" would be problematic, but then, I think this term is problematic in many other ways too, as you have said here, however, I use it sometimes, not realizing how it can be mis-construed. Again, I agree. But because this term 'Black' and 'White' are still on all federal applications, I sometimes use this term, and now, I may need to try and qualify it though. Scientist definitely separate Neanderthals though from the darker skinned homonids even in the Smithosonian and they date these darker ones to have existed prior to theNeanderthals. So, again, I use the term 'white' and 'black' in terms of what is accepted today, but I agree that technically, it just does not fit a complete concept.

@Cynique So true!

@Pioneer1 I am just trying to be physically fit. One of my sons also do things to try and gain weight . . . and it is so irritating! lol.

What is your take on East Asians or the peopole of the East? My take on the East Asians and 'the people of the East' is that this is a totally separate concept due to thousands upon thousands of years of history and migrations of peoples and the rise and fall of many different civilizations, and also, the many different cultures and civilizations in the east world. My statements regarding the early eastern ideas introduced into the Western civilizations is based on specific time periods, and therefore, without a good understanding of a timeline, it can be confusion, 'a Babylonish confusion' regarding this subject. So therefore, i will put a simple timeline now to better explain what I said earlier and to show how the EAst Asians have nothing to do with this earlier history. ------------------------------BEFORE 6000 BC--------------------6000 BC -------------4000 BC --------------3000 BC ----------2000 BC ---------- 1000 BC -------------------------------------- JOMON CIVILIZATION --- Before 6000 BC AMRATION ---NAQADA---GERZEAN PERIODS --- Before 4000s BC COPPER AGE --------------- 3000s BC Okay so, I can't remember right off the other terms. I will come to me later. I have to think. LOL. But anyway, this is a start. The EAst Asian civilizations that I have learned about did not form until like way after 2000s BC. Ther earlier civilizations I just listed are the kind that played a factor in bringing in foreign ideas into the west..... when the earth was one mass. The Jomon civilization in what would be today, the FAR EAST, shows a certain type of pottery, rope pattern. Also around this same time, scientist and archeologist date other artifacts, NUMMEROUS ARTIFACTS, in the far east, and in Turkey Anatolia [ie. NOD EAST, or NORTH east] Many idols were unearthed of white god and goddess idols with the extreme long heads. They date this to be prior to 6000s BC up to and during this time period. So, this would agree with the Bible in that IDOLATRY stems from eastern ideas. I have them somewhere in my notes, but it was not easy for me to find this on the internet. I had to use the search engine and certain terms for this photos of artifacts that are in museums. Then in North Africa in Egypt, these artifacts became prevalent at a much later time period. So it shows a movement and migration again, from the east. The red-black pottery also began to be manufactured at this later time period. Then at another later time period, the mass underground graves with distinct artifacts show up and so on and so forth during the 4000s bc. 3000s BC, then it became easy to date civilization due to TRADE, the massive trade of copper which showed up as far as the ancient Americas. However, the technique and concentration of copper artifacts was thick in the Mediterranean region and again, this is another method used to date civilizations that came after the 10,000s BC --6000s BC, and after the 4000s BC. There are distinct and different kinds of COPPER SMELTING, specific and can date certain city civilizations and this is when the Black KEMET civilization becomes obvious that it was started by them. There are different kinds of KEMET or BLACK king civilizations too. All of what I am saying now, is both exact and confirmed by secular historians and the Bible recordings. All of this information ties into how it is obvious that IDOLATRY and POTTERY and STONE IDOLS and then CRUDE IRON IDOLS and etc. was technology that first came from the east. By the time that the CALCOLITHIC PERIOD [ie. COPPER AGE] exploded into the world of production and trade byway of the KEMET kings, Idolatry had become common in the western world of the Mediterranean. The Eastern people were known more so in ancient script as being simple ASIATICS and not East Asian or Central Asians or West Asian [ie. Present day Iran, Armenia and etc.]. These terms came much later in time. The BLACK kings, were not smelting iron and copper metal to make idols, but to make plates, and tools, and wheels, and etc. but they were introduced to idol making from the Asiatics and by the time of the copper age, though, idol making was an ancient occupation that dates back thousands of years prior to the Copper Age. There is so much more information I could give, but for now, I will stop here, but later, maybe I might share a very common term regarding METAL SMITHING, that might also help to understand the early Kemet people that became apart of the Asiatic world.