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@Cynique I mentioned this too. And I said that I noticed after 2006, the reports were deliberately changed from the earlier stances about homosexuality in the higher animals. So, I did google to refresh my memory and confirmed this trick. But even though statements are made to try and state a lie, NO SERIOUS SCIENTIST WILL SAY THAT PRIMATES ARE EXHIBITING HOMOSEXUALITY, they specifically say that 'many animals including the primates show HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIORS!!!!!!! LOL. Scientist then go on to defind the difference between these terms 'homosexuality' vs 'homosexual behavior'. They admit that only humans have homosexual bonding relationships and as of yet NOT ANY OTHER ANIMAL DOES THIS.

@Troy I addressed that statement in my post. If scientist say that today many of us, especially Europeans, have Neanderthal DNA, then we today are expressing two different species or origin! Therefore, it should be obvious that the scientist are NOT summarizing the complete truth. If two species mate and have an offspring, and that offspring continues to reproduce then, both species are represented. As I said, the dominant presence is extinct but the recessive form is still here since we today still express this DNA continually through our reproduction. A mule is the offspring of a male donkey (jack) and a female horse (mare). [1][12] Horses and donkeys are different species, with different numbers of chromosomes. Of the two F1 (first generation hybrids) between these two species, a mule is easier to obtain than a hinny, which is the offspring of a female donkey (jenny) and a male horse (stallion) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule Still today, there are DONKEYS, and MARES and MULES and etc. being born and, therefore, the Mules shows that DONKEYS are not extinct and also MARES and not extinct. A MULES would be a hybrid of both and would not this mean that the mule is also part donkey and part horse? How can the horse or donkey be extinct then? Well considering the formation of this system in that it concentrated on dominating THE DARK CONTINENT, it would seem that it is a part of the White Supremacist Movement. I would find it hard to believe that in all of the victims of chattel slavery that homosexual acts was not committed. @Pioneer1 Thank you!!!!!! @Cynique I'm not an authority on this subject, but just sharing my research and opinion. But if white scientist are saying that the Biological Male that correlates to their Y-DNA HAPLOID grouping, BASAL A [basal Adam] that is in all Y-DNA CHROMOSOMES all originate from BLack Africa then, how is that advancing white supremacy?

This is interesting idea. I lack knowledge on what metaphysics actually means, but I like the theme of your book. I am still searching to understand how mataphysics correlates to the other topics you pose, science and philosophy. I am also curious about how your concept deals with Blackness as a whole concept. Anyway, sounds very interesting!

@Troy I googled last night, and I think the laws have changed. I only saw, Mexico as being the one country that might allow someone that young to marry but they say it is complicated and based on other issues. I think the US has changed that stance a while back. just like the law of 'smoking cigarettes' or 'drinking alcohol', the government has taken the decision out of the parents jurisdiction and preside over these laws, thank God! Because I think Myra was exploited for all that money! Anyway, here are some references that I saw last night: THE AGE OF CONSENT: ALABAMA 16 Alabama statutory rape law is violated when an individual over age 18 (or 16 or older if the victim is at least 2 years younger than the offender) engages in sexual intercourse with a person over the age of 12 and under age 16. The Alabama Age of Consent is 16 years old. In the United States, the age of consent is the minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent to participation in sexual activity. Individuals aged 15 or younger in Alabama are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape. https://www.ageofconsent.net/states/alabama VIRGINIA 18 years old In Virginia, the age of consent is 18 years old. At that age, a person may legally consent to sex with any other adult, regardless of the age difference between them. https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/virginia-age-of-consent-lawyers.html NEW YORK 17 years old In New York, the age of consent for sex is 17 years old. This applies to men and women, and applies to both heterosexual and homosexual conduct. However, as in many other states, New York has allowances for minors who are below the age of consent but are close to the same age. https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/new-york-age-of-consent-lawyers.html GEORGIA 16 In Georgia, the age of consent to engage in sex is 16. However, there can be no conviction for statutory rape in Georgia based only on the unsupported testimony of the victim. There must be some additional evidence https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/georgia-age-of-consent-lawyers.html 16 RICHMOND — Only adults can get married in Virginia, according to a new law replacing policies that made it possible for a girl 13 or younger to marry if she had parental consent and was pregnant. The law, which took effect Friday, sets the minimum marriage age at18, or 16 if a child is emancipated by court order.Jul 3, 2016 https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&authuser=0&ei=lQsSXOQn0O3mAs_5KA&q=legal+age+to+marry+in+va&oq=legal+age+to+ma&gs_l=psy-ab.1.2.0l10.26706.33402..38292...0.0..1.114.2469.36j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i71j0i67j0i131.awKGNWvoX4Q If you want to get married without parental consent, you need to be at least 18 years old in 48 of the 50 states in the United States. ... Parental consent is needed in Alabama and Utah at age 14, and in Nebraska and Oregon, the age is 17. The ages for males and females to marry differs in some states. https://family-law.freeadvice.com/family-law/marriage/parental-consent.htm Truth, but I still want to emphasize though, even if a White young girl or female in general has become the victim of rape, then that is horrible and it is a terrible act of human violation.

@Troy I'm not sure what you are getting at. Homosexuality is used to hurt Black Africans, but I don't see it as being either White or Black, rather I see it as a method used to come against the Biological Male World and this begins with the Modern Homonids, meaning THE BLACK AFRICAN MAN. That Y-DNA that goes back to THE BLACK AFRICAN MAN. This homosexual ploy is aimed against BLACK AFRICA and absolutely the men of this whole world whether, White European or Native American or etc. So, absolutely many of THE WHITE 'RACE' of men and women who are aware of this exploitation against manhood is just as angry as anyone should be with common sense. But the beginning of it is that it struck against the Original Black AFrican mankind. MARK THIS STATEMENT @Troy !!! You are using the word 'RACE'!!! That is the wrong word to use! This word is used to put forth confusion. There are different species of HOMONIDS and the HOMO-NEADERTHALS are DISTINCT frome the HOMO-SAPIENS. The Homo-Neanderthalensis are MARKED as being intersexed and mutated. They are a mutated version of the Denisovan. the name descriptions given of these beings are based on our language today but they are well classified and proven to have intermixed with the Homo-Sapiens. Their DNA is distinct. They are NOT extinct. That is a deception. They are distinct in the dominant form, but not the recessive form!!!!!!! As I said before, I can perfectly accept intersexed people today, but to deceive and miseducate the Black AFrican world on how they intermixed with the modern man and now, hide history is pure evil. Don't you understand what happened in ancient Egypt? This is the very reason why Moses freaked out. He was surrounded by these intersexed homosexual-pedophiles. It doesn't matter how fair skinned Black AFrican people are, if they come from the African origin, they are distinct from the species today, that express this intersex presence. IF A PERSON IS BORN INTERSEXED, then that means they are born with y-dna or the sry-gene that can only come from y-dna. That means they are scientifically MALES. This is an origin NOT OF THE AFRICAN MAN!!!!!!!!! So many times, they can choose to live as being male or female depending on many issues, but scientifically as the Bible states, they are MALES because of the Y-DNA. This is the origin of the confusion of homosexuality going on today.

@Troy I posted last night and googled Jerry Lee Lewis, or did I miss another example that you linked? As I did say, the laws today shows that he would have been in a lot of trouble today and this shows that the world did not accept his actions as being acceptable in the least. It seems obvious that because he became wealthy and famous, the parents of the 13-year-old Myra sacrificed theire daughter for the money, but the masses in both London and the US freaked out! So, the perspective then and now, is that this is completely unacceptable. She even became pregnant and had a son that died by drowning and then she had a daughter that not much is mentioned about. I think this too, has to deal with her being too young and also, they were 'second cousins' and the likelihood of birth defects is kind of hight when it comes to this issue! So then, if the White world responded as they did against Jerry Lee Lewis for doing this awful thing, then the subject of the leader of the NOI should become obvious in that he too should have been confronted in his actions. Most of all, Black girls don't get the financial compensation for that kind of predatory action coming from Black men or in the past, slave masters. Let me tell you, I taught Middle School, and the young Black girls 'pop out' meaning, they develop more curves, breast, and etc. much more than the young white girls and were scrutinized negatively much more that the young white girls, nevertheless, they are still so young and they act so innocent, both the white girls and the black girls and etc. The Black female teachers all agreed that the young black girls were being treated wrong in terms of calling their parents and sending them home for not dressing approprately. It was completely obvious. The young white girls wore their skirts extremely short and were never sent home, but the black girls were shamed and sent home! Black girls seem to be treated as if they are grown women, loose women' but the white young girls are treated correctly, like little girls. It is ridiculous. I think it is a conditioning that not only comes from White racism, but many Black people feed into this issue negatively too. @Pioneer1 You mentioned 'puberty'. That begins at the age of about 12 for many females. Yes, I wouldn't think that the teenagers were as young as 12 or 13, but nevertheless, thankfully, some of the NOI followers responded and did not go along with his actions, but I don't think it was adequate enough based on what happened to Malcolm X [ie Malik]. I didn't know his name was Malik.

@Pioneer1 Thank you! You know, in the past, I have tried to find a good bio of him, because I thought there would have been more information other than just being linked to the late Dr. Francis. However, I can appreciate his statments. @Troy I don't know where or what source you have gotten your proof and statistic data from, but based on other information, I would agree that the white men (white world) are much more numerous in this 'gay' status than the Black world. However in terms of 'conspiracy' why then, after the 8 years of the Obama campaign for this 'Change' that became more defined in his second term, did it have to be 'a Black African President' to cause this law to become 'the poster child for the Black AFrican world'!? In this respect, it doesn't matter that there are more gay white men in the US than Black men, because the world now equates this status to Black men; thanks to Obama. So therefore, the conspiracy was directed toward Black African Americans. We are the ones, like KEvin Hart, being under watch on how we accept this law. It really makes me angry.

I think this question can be answered based on the conditioning and circumstances. I think a very, very, very long time ago before there was fire power, a time when women had to depend on men for protection, women may have adapted to this natural issue and became 'more intuitive' in how to approach certain obstacles and this may have made us more keen 'on the average'. And then too, as a result of male dominance and oppressive methods in how they mistreated women, this circumstance caused the average woman to have to be more 'smarter' than the average man. And, I think too, that this is a good topic because it may cause people to think about the gender conflicts of today and gain a better approach to understanding each other.

@Mel Hopkins LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! BRING IT!!!!! Now I can sleep..... If I can stop laughing... Really, this ain't funny ... but yeah, how bout it? "It doesn’t matter what these boys were doing as kids, because those same state’s age-of-consent laws for marriage now also applies to boys. So now we have boys setting up house with grown men - because it’s legal and shouldn’t have any bearing on the man’s position - if he’s doing great things." I'm just trying to imagine one these fellas or perhpas 'a brotha' from the NOI all dressed up in a tux and in attendance of a wedding of a 6th grade boy being married to a grown man.... FAIR GAME???? @Troy I googled. Funny you would mention this, but did you read the reaction when this secret was let out and how the crowd went crazy on him!? He was completely BLACKLISTED when he returned from London back to the States for years. And I can't figure out how he was not prosecuted? At any rate, the laws today set the age of consent and, he surely would have been in trouble today.

@Troy Keeping things in perspective-- a 12 year old who can reach puberty would be in the 6th grade, that is Elementary School [or MIddle School first year]. To think that a 6th grade child could get married today in the States seems horrible to me, but can you give me an example? I am speaking regarding 'the age of consent', whether in terms of sex or marriage, seems awful. IF a child is raped that is human sacrifice IMO and to rate this against 'far worse things that others have suffered' doesn't seem right

Yeah, after puberty is 12 or 13 -- a Child! @Pioneer1 This is horrible. A man saying that 'he didn't force himself on a 12 year old' -- AND WHAT IN THE HELL COULD SHE SAY TO DEFEND HERSELF AGAINST A GROWN ASS MAN, SAYING THAT SHE WOULD HAVE AGREED!? This makes me sick. I don't think the age of consent is 12, 13, 14 or even 15 and ? His wealth of deeds is about him having sex with teenage girls. That's where the buck should have stopped...he should have been confronted by Sister Clara Muhammad, and the government. That is what the Supreme Being did, give governments a chance to intervene and do their job! Having sex with a child can be deemed the worst thing in the world!

@Cynique Part of this is truth because it is science based. But as far as it being reversed, I believe that when children's souls are 'snatched from birth' meaning, they are molested, they can be conditioned to believe what anyone wants them to believe. As a Biology major who has studied animal behavior and concerning the higher creatures, BEFORE 2006 with the Senator Obama campaign, all of the science was that NO homosexual behaviors exist among animals with the exception of being put in captivity and even this was stated to be only rare cases in which the primates mimic behaviors. Now after the Obama Movement, the books are written as if male animals were walking down the aisle, one with a white wedding dress on and the other with a tuxedo--two homosexual male animals--getting married. Higher Animals do not bond homosexually so, it would be ridiculous to believe that Humans born BIOLOGICALLY male or female would be wired to believe that they should be the opposite gender. NO, this homosexual confusion begins with the intersexed Neanderthals who became apart of the modern Homonid world by deception. It is a great evil because it starts with the raping of children. PIONEER @Pioneer1 This is so on point. It really is the LAST trick of White Supremacy. Yeah, this is the very problem, but didn't Neely Fuller address this?

@Cynique No. I could have accepted them wholeheartedly had it not been for this bait and switched system that came in under false pretenses and then changing their laws after they accused the Native Americans of being 'gays' and 'steers' and 'queers' and etc. and needing to be massacred and such. I could have accepted them had it not been for what happened to Black children during slavery and their aggressive rapes. Cynique, not for me due to the personal stories that I have come across in which all of the Gays I hear about have been raped and/or molested when they were children. If someone is born intersexed and they choose to be whatever gender they want, I accept wholeheartedly, but when children are born biologically male or female and sexually molested then, I am enraged.

@Cynique LOL I agree. And, I do not want to be idolized and have no intention of idolizing any man. @Delano WOW! Thanks! Very informative link! https://www.thedailybeast.com/word-is-bond-an-ex-con-explains-the-5-percenters I've learned a lot today. From this article, it seems that this 5 Percenters group stems from prison!? That is kind of depressing too, in that all of this rhetoric comes from mostly Blacks who are stuck under the American prison system. They are stuck under the Slave Master, and all the while trying to come to terms with their existence.

Wow. I never knew this. Thanks. Who is Professor Grif!? @Troy As for me, I just want to be appreciated for the good that I do for our people, humanity, as a whole. I don't care for being idolized just because of my gender. @Cynique mentioned in another thread her position as 'an ICONOCLAST'; that's me too. I don't want to be idolized just because 'I am a Black Woman'; I want to earn my respect.

@Delano Thank Del! Wow! This a hot debate going on, and I have been wondering about some of these same questions! I have heard about 5 percenters and Clarence X and etc. but never could understand completely.

@Pioneer1 Yes! Thank you for this info. Go NicK! @Pioneer1 Yes, this is so disturbing and really anger me. I can't even put my anger into words when it comes to this. But, nevertheless, deep down inside, I know they won't win when it comes to Africa! Yes!!! There will be some countries in Africa that will be slow to block this issue, but then there are some countries that will continue to be defensive. I have a big, big, big problem with this HOMOSEXUAL/PEDOPHILIA law. You have no idea, how much it bothers me! This HOMOSEXUAL/PEDOPHILE law is completely aimed at our Black African children and this is the very basis of ALL OF MY RESEARCH!

It is so crazy how, after decades, this GAY ISSUE has now be aligned with Black Americans and human rights. I remember years ago hearing the argument of GAYS being aligned with BLACKS-- BLACKS & GAYS--I remember hearing a few Black people NOT liking this comparison. Now that GAY RIGHTS have become a POLITICAL issue, it is funny how now, it is BLACK PEOPLE that are being CORRECTED for speaking out against GAYS. IRONIC. Nevertheless, I now understand another whole issue too, that has been kept hidden from us in the educational system about the science of being born intersexed with the Y-DNA. I now understand why Whites have argued this point continually, in that some people are 'born gay', so, I now realize too, that this issue is not solely 'a policial correctness' but it is also 'a scientific correctness'; but the problem is that many Black people have been deprived of this aspect in our educational system. But more importantly, Black people are being railroaded too and tricked into accepting a crooked aspect of this 'political correctness'. If someone is BORN INTERSEXED, they are BORN WITH A Y-DNA or an SRY-GENE that only comes from a Y-DNA chromosome, therefore that is scientifically a MALE!!!--even if their phenotypically FEMALE; just as the Bible details. This is where Black people are being wronged with this 'political correctness'. But if a person is born without this INTERSEXED-Y-GENDER and is either a Biological Male or Female, that stems from the origin of the MODERN HOMINDIS--The African Race--and this is the underlying issue that is being kept out of this American 'political correctness' and therefore Black people are being miseducated into believing that 'to be GAY is a choice'---OH BUT NO!!! So if Jamie lee curtis wants to flaunt her sexuality, then why should Keven Hart be sensored for speaking about how he raises is children and not allowed to host the Oscars? I get it, in that he is in 'their arena' and he gets his money in a society and pays him to accept this GAY RIGHT MOVEMENT as being a normal human presence, but now after thinking about how this issue has come down throught the decades being aligned with BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS, I can also see how Black people are being exploited. INTERSEXED BEINGS can be born African too, but the percentage is much lower because it has been scientifically proven that this phenomenon does not originate with Black AFricans but the pre-modern hominids--Neanderthals. If an Intersexed person competes in the Olympics, 'HE' cannot compete as a woman no matter how feminine 'he' appears and no matter how low 'his' ANDROGEN LEVELS register because well, they usually win because of that little bit of 'Y' related hormone that woman do not have!!! This is the scientific basis of this system aligning GAYS with BLACK RIGHTS that is not being taught in our educational system.

@Cynique On point! NOw you cause me to think about a famous cook, Paula ? and it became known how she said something about Blacks and then she was completely attacked.

After I did some quick research on what he said, I know how I feel, but don't know how to respond about this issue. The word used against him is 'his homophobic tweet'; Well, that word 'HOMOPHOBIC' is used so much and sometimes I feel it is used as a method of intimidation. So, Kevin doesn't have a right to raise his children as he chooses and within 'what legal bounds'?

You're right. I never thought of it that way.

WOW! I realize this response was directed to Delano, but I would like to respond. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THE LUXURY OF EXCUSES. Women can't be leader!? Women can't be leaders that should also be held responsible for good as well as bade actions!? Thank God for America then, because my children were forcibly taken away from me byway of A BLACK WOMAN JUDGE and due to many BLACK WOMEN SOCIAL SERVICE WORKERS. This BLACK WOMAN judge broke up a Black FAmily because she hates BLACK MEN. She hated me because I was married and I had to get media to expose her. Others have stated the same about her. All of these women that assisted in a cover up, were NOT MARRIED or had NO CHILDREN or NO SONS. This judges mother had her and her sister out of wedlock and they have been made to HATE THEIR FATHER, a BLACK MAN. This GENDER STRUGGLE between Black people needs to stop. This issue happened way back in time, in Africa, byway of White Supremacist Movement. . . in ancient times. So, no, I don't really 'give thanks to America' because this judge was selected to be a judge in FAMILY COURT by Americans!!! She was selected by the vote, even though she had no husband, never been married, and she had no children. Yes, as in ancient times, WOMEN SHOULD BE LEADERS, but they should also be held accountable for our plight today. Otherwise, we will never be free. Pioneer @Pioneer1 Okay. I will respect that. But as for others, I hope they do go down 'that rabbit hole' cause they may find that there is a bottom to it. And, that Movement did nothing for me. I sat at the table and studied with an Islamic man and he did not agree with that man you support. That nation is divided today, because that leader had sex with teenage girls and that is a serious problem. So, I will leave off of this topic with you, but I will continue. A CHILD SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO HAVE SEX WITH A GROWN ASS MAN! Ah well!!! There you go!!! THANK YOU @Troy

OMG! Her age!? A TEENAGER! Okay let's see here . . . 13 or 14 or 15 or 16 or 17 or 18 or 19 . . . Let me see here . . . what was I doing when I was 13 . . . 19. At 13, I was still playing with toys and I was not even interested in boys. I was i MIddle School, 7th grade going to 8th grade. a total child. . . . At the age of SWEET 16 I was a senior in high school and at that time, I could not even imagine a grown man forcing himself on me!!! OH WAIT A MINUTE . . . THAT DID ALMOST HAPPEN with my high school History teacher . . . I begged him to stop . . . and he did. I was a complete Virgin at the time. WOW to think I could have been forced into a marriage or motherhood at that time. . . @Pioneer1 You would allow your own daughter to be married as a teenager!!!? No way! LOL! Yes! You responded while I was typing the previous response! LOL. I didn't realize you were on! THANK YOU!

No!!!-- @Pioneer1 LOL, I'm screaming now! Listen, there is such a thing as grown men forcing themselves on teenage girls! It has happened. I am asking you about 'if that were your own teenage daughter'. It doesn't matter if someone tried to launch a smear or hate campaign against 'your contractor'. I'm asking you, 'What if it was true and it was YOUR TEENAGE DAUGHTER'. You are diverting my question.

Yes, indeed! Even though these words may seem 'insensitive' they are terms that are defined on a legal basis. I think some children may be harmed by others who use these terms to hurt, but these terms also protect other victims. I for one, being married, think about the other aspect!!! What if a wife has been left to deal with her husbands 'affairs that left illegitamte children' after his death!? How is that woman to deal with the legalities and wanting to make sure that her own 'legitamite children' are not deprived. So, yes, these terms 'bastard and illegite' are legal terms that is needed! When certaim men in leadership positons think that they can do things that are overlooked, eventually, others are left to deal with the negative repercussions. Therefore, maybe we should think about these leaders' actions while they are doing them! @Delano Good question! LOL. I guess that is what the court battle is all about! The NOI is saying that mony belongs to them and then on the other hand, the children feel the money belongs to them. And then there is the wife and legitimate children who feel the money and financial decision belongs to them!!! . . . SO OFF TO COURT THEY GO . . . in America . . . whose laws are applied by the lawmakers of this land. MAN WHAT A MESS. @Pioneer1 LOL! Pioneer, it is NOT always that way that you are seeing it! Not all arguments and debates should be based on GENDER! @Pioneer1 You know, I kinda agree with you here! But I think that there is a reason. The way this woman 'Sally Hemmings' was taught to us, BLACK FOLK, was that she was 'BLACK'!!! ANd this is the problem. She was defined to us as being Black and so, we identified with her. ANd some Black people were so happy to believe that Thomas Jefferson had fell in love with a Black Slave woman!!! But this was such a terrible and deliberate misrepresentation of the real truth. But no matter, by the time the truth came out, many Black people clung to the lie so much that they were not willing to hear the real truth. @Pioneer1 I can understand part of what you say here! I feel that there is a serious problem with how we as BLACK AMERICANS have been conditioned to go against the BLACK MALE LEADERSHIP! But, on the other hand, if Black men have bought into that old timey DOMINATE BLACK WOMEN SYNDROME, then they do not need to be leaders.