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@Pioneer1 Thank you for reading. Thank you for posting. Well, there is a lot to why I made this statement. But in order to be brief: I think that prior to the set up of the Roman Empire, the Roman Republic and the Roman-Etruscan civilizations, many 'Black' African people had been decieved by-and-by, so some of the reasons why I say, 'they threw down their own ancient Kemetic scripts' has to do with this aspect as well as other reasons too. Another reason amongst many more would be 'the kind of deceptions' they were dealing with, one of which would be 'a lack of script offered to their leaders' at the time of the Roman Empire' and also, 'the types of translations' available to the leaders. Then another reason would be the 'elect' or 'select' leaders themselves, meaning certain Black African people that were a part of the Roman government setting up in this region. Some of the leaders that were a part of the Roman government were total 'sellouts' to their people and because of the Helenistic Movement, some of the 'ethnic' people were not of their original cultures but mixbreds and so they were in support of Rome and they were deceiving and blocking their own 'ethnic' people from getting the truth as to what was really going on as the Roman system set up to become a Roman Empire system. One example of what I meant about 'throwing their books down at the cross' would be how some uneducated Hebrews regarded their own ancient history due to not really understanding the script as it was suppose to be taught to them and addressed, at least, annually at thier temple festivals and weekly in their synagogues: The subject of Moses. At that time, a lot of the uneducated people were led to believe many false stories such as, Moses being married to Nefertiti and such like. They had been spoon fed so many lies, they just seemed to abandoned their ancient 'religion' altogether in favor of the Greco-Roman idols and then the Roman gods and etc. Well, I have been meaning to address this very point when I write more. So hopefully, I will respond to this soon. Oh but, yes, if the book states that this book is the book of Solomon, then yes, it would definitely be PUBLISHED by Solomon, himself. At any rate, I understand why you may think otherwise, and hope to address this real soon.

@Troy I have not checked my email in weeks! Nevertheless, just as some of the posters here in this forum, my initial draw to this community is because I want to come to a place where African American book writers and scholars and everyone else comes to contribute because I feel it will help me develop myself as I would like to publish a book one day. Also, my interest and passion revolves around my African American culture, so this was a great draw for me. This is good.

@Troy Oh Snap! LOL. You're right. @Maurice Looking forward to looking at videos you posted.

LOL. Well, maybe the virus backfired on 'who ever' you believe started this Biological Warfare. Wouldn't that be poetic justice.

This is crazy times! You see, this is one of the reasons I am glad I never developed a liking to wanting to travel far away, nevertheless, that nasty virus came over here anyway! One of my sons was over there!--in China! I prayed for him because he just would not listen to me. He was over there in December when this thing broke, but according to the news, the Chinese government kept it secret until after January when they knew they could not control it. I have been so stressed. You all just don't know. My son came back after January, and he was totally okay. But, I was telling him and he never even knew what I was talking about! LOL. Last week, he contacted me and said, "Mom, be careful. There's this new virus going around called Coronavirus..." I was like, "BOY! I told you that when you were in China!!! Man!" he said, Oh really... smh.

LOL! Well, I am glad you checked in! @Pioneer1 Thank you! That means a lot to me.

I though Gil Scott Heron was a female. I never heard of him

@Troy Yes, I don't remember anything about this as I grew up, however, about two years ago, I heard of it. I saw a small portion of it, but this time, I was able to watch the whole video and it was so great! I did learn something new today! I thought it was called the Watts festival and now I see that it is WattStax and I now know what Stax means as well. Richard Pryor was so funny! The Black National Anthem sung by Kim Weston?--Never heard of her before, but she is so talented. There's so much history and so much about this film that electrifies me. Also, there is a hard truth too, that I see in that we are still faced with some of the same negative issues today that occurred then. @Maurice I watched the whole video and it was so great! I never knew! Wow! HIs music was introduced at the Carnegie Hall! There is so much history during those times, that I never knew about. Also, in this film, they mentioned Eric Clapton! I definitely loved the sound of the Blues; it is so unique. Yes, I also love the music of Curtis Mayfield but again, I don't know much about him as I was young when he was popular, so I look forward to listening to this video soon.

@Troy I've never heard of this. I am looking forward to viewing. Thank you! @Maurice True. I am learning a lot.

The Deer, the Goblet & the Lily Bells—BLACK AFRICAN ORIGIN Solomon & the Beja, Part I Introduction Cont. Brown is NOT the New Black About the book SONG OF SOLOMON; Because this type of literature in the Bible has never been a mandatory requirement for African American Descendants of Slaves to study here in the ‘federal’ American government in a formal learning environment, therefore, it cannot be emphasized enough how certain misinterpretations have led to common false beliefs that have come about especially in this book SONG OF SOLOMON. Because of the lack of formal education about many ancient books, even in books published in other civilizations and books written thousands of years ago, It has become difficult to understand an acceptable form of translation and methods of confirmation. Therefore, many misdirected African Americans have regarded certain false interpretations and have went out and become the very voice of the enemy and have completely debauched the interpretation of this ancient book of Solomon. For example, because of Solomon’s description of the young maiden in how she became ‘blackened’, it has become a common misbelief that the scriptures address racism of a Black girl being amongst many White Jews. So, therefore, it gives me extreme pleasure to share some of my own experiences that may help to understand the deep meaning that Solomon wrote about that describes the evil meted out to that Black girl and other Black skinned women of those times: A recent and completely unexpected experience that occurred only a few months ago seems unbelievable to me, however, because I am now older and have witnessed this type of abuse several times in my young life, therefore, I fully recognize this reality. It was only a few months ago while I have visited this church that a young girl has recently began to visit and she happens to be extremely dark skinned and unusually beautiful. And, although I have seen dark skinned ‘Black’ girls of whom had this similar striking beauty, to my surprise, and in my opinion, she beats all. I have never seen any African American girl that has her presence and not only that, but both of her young children show this same appeal! I am like, Man! I thought I was the deal! LOL! But what becomes crazier would be how the church responded to her presence; I am in total shock. To put it as concise as possible, the whole church atmosphere has become completely off balanced and disruptive, and what’s more, this girl does not seem to even realize the tension that has arisen due to her presence. As ridiculous as this may seem, well, the older pastor has seemingly completely ‘lost his mind’. In just a few weeks, he has insulted his beautiful wife in front of the church and the two of them actually got into a shouting match in service. He shared with the church from the pulpit that both he and his wife have children before they married and the First Lady of the Church, his wife, was visibly seen to not agree with this type of open exposure in front of the Church. The pastor told the Church from the pulpit that he committed adultery years ago and that his wife forgave him but, her response moments later shows otherwise. Another week came, however, and the pastor was absent and ended up in the emergency room because he later said that he over did it during a workout session in his attempt to get his youthful physique back. This pastor has repeatedly made statements directed against this new girl in attendance and warns the Church to beware of “foxy Mommas”. He has insulted this girl in front of the church repeatedly. I am in shock. He announced to the Church in service that he would enforce a dress code and so, the next week, this girl did not wear her usual pant outfit, but she had on an elegant formal skirt suit, and still, she was a complete ‘knock-out’. Now, had I not experienced this in my younger years when I met other dark-skinned girls in how they have become the object of strange attacks, I would have dismissed this recent incidence as just a figment of my imagination. Back when I was in the college library that I attended, I recall a similar incident when I looked up from my desk and saw this very dark beauty walking through the aisle, however, the jealous emotions actually came from me! I will never forget how I reacted when I looked up and saw her walking with another girl, my friend, and I witnessed the reaction of the Black men. My immediate reaction was anger. I was so angry at those stupid, idiots for making so much over her. But then, I immediately felt so bad inside because, I am usually not that kind of jealous person. It was an HBCU and there were many attractive Black girls of all complexions, from fair to very dark skinned so, I thought to myself, “What in the Hell is wrong with me? Why am I reacting this way?” I have had more than my share of attention and found myself overwhelmed with stress for the intense attention and pursuit the brothers gave me on the campus. In fact, that was why I went to the library in order to hide behind a desk cubicle to study. It seemed like, every time I walked out of my dormitory, I could see the quarterback in his car, way across campus at Brown Hall, immediately drive towards me and he would pursue me intensely, driving his little car besides me as I walked to class. Sometimes, I could not wait on my roommate as we would usually go to the dining hall together but, because I was hungry, at times I would go by myself. I hoped that I would be left alone so I could eat in peace. But it seemed like every time I would go by myself; the whole entire football team would be in the cafeteria. Man! I thought they would be in their own room so they could eat all that steak and etc. But no, they came into the general area and would stare at me while I ate! I would try to eat my food with good manners, but my hands were trembling, I thought I was going to die. It was pure torture. My first year at this HBCU, the football players abruptly protested and said that they wanted better looking cheerleaders, and so, I was approached. I was flattered and took on the challenge because I was a gymnast. But because tryouts were also based on the crowd too, so then I was able to get all my girls together and they cheered me on for tryouts in the Student Union Building. Gratefully, I was one of the new girls that made the squad, but due to the conflict with some of the previous members, I quit soon after. However, the Basketball coaches pursued me soon after and so, I became ‘the Ball Girl’ for basketball season and well, I got in all the games for free. So, when this dark beauty walked through the library and got all that attention that day, I could not believe my reaction. Well, what made it worse, or perhaps better for me, was that this girl was so docile. She came to my church and became really close to a church friend. She was so meek, and she had the sweetest personality. Man! I hated myself for being jealous initially. That particular girl was abused, and she was destitute and could not afford to even go to college. I hurt deep down inside every time I think about her life. Interestingly so, she had some of the very traits that Solomon describes about the maiden in the Holy Bible. And then, a few years later on my first career job, I met yet another very dark-skinned beauty with those similar traits that Solomon wrote about of the maiden, Abishag; an aquiline face, very large, soft dove-shaped eyes, very curvy, and she too was extremely docile and really friendly. She too was very abused. She would follow me around the lab and stay in my work area and although I was very receptive to her, however, at that time of my life, I was also in a very destructive and abusive home environment and, she was really distractive. This girl had no degree and received minimum wage and she had children. However, I too was facing extreme racism on the job as well, nevertheless, I never turned her away and helped her whenever she asked for my help. She followed me around like a shadow. All the while, I was being verbally attacked by this foreign woman in my office area constantly and yet, I had to perform my job duties and report to several supervisors and the captain on this military base daily. That captain of the building, a short stout, well built, handsome White man, was very imposing and, he would perform periodic ‘White Glove Test’ in the lab and I was terrified. He made me nervous and I found myself holding my breath when he came around and addressed me. So eventually, I decided to conquer my fear and I would make a point of heading down the hallway and position myself in the Break Room where I knew he would come and I ‘buttered him up’. WHEW! LOL. So, when I eventually resigned, he gave me a ‘going away party’, he had a cake made for me, he gave me a plaque, a letter of recommendation, and he had all of the military men in the building come to my party! And he posted my picture at the entrance of the building! So, as a Black woman, I too have had my share of challenges but, it seems to me that Black and really dark-skinned girls have a whole unique form of abuse that they endure by way of other ‘Black Americans’. Many of them become single mothers. Yet, I have noticed that some of these kinds of dark-skinned girls have unusual Black East African traits not commonly seen in America and, they reminded me of one of my younger sisters, also darker skinned than myself. This would be the kind of intense treatment that Solomon recorded! —Not only of this virgin maiden, Abishag, but this was the kind of treatment his own mother received as well amongst the other Hebrew Israelites. This kind of deep seeded jealousy and envy meted out by Brown skinned African-typed people against attractive and very dark skinned and Black African-typed people, in general, has been deliberately and deceptively suppressed and sometimes aggressively and vehemently denied. Many Brown skinned African Americans will confidently attest that today, in the presence of darker-skinned African Americans, that there are no Black skinned people, just dark brown, however, the scriptures say otherwise! Black skinned people have been exploited and many times encouraged and rewarded for being evil. In some regards, this kind of evil conditioning has become a reality, and therefore black skinned African-typed people have been aligned with the definition of Satanism. But then too, this type of Colorism also occurs in so many other non-African cultures around this world as well! I even gave a written testimony previously, about a Native American woman who told the story that she was punished by her own mother and made to stay in the sun, to get dark, a reality that made her emotionally troubled all of her life. This kind of ‘punishment’ was detailed in Solomon’s book about this maiden who was blackened by the sun! Just as Jesus would later do, Solomon recorded a deep message about Colorism that has occurred within the African civilizations. A lot of evil disrespect and harsh treatment that Black skinned and darker-skinned Black Africans endure comes from other African people and this would be what Solomon addresses in the SONG OF SOLOMON. Part of the reason why today, many African American DOS reject the ancient scriptures revolves around the Black Church as well, in their fervent attempt to identify one or two Black people in all Israel amongst what they have come to accept as being many White people in ‘the Middle East’. This false notion of Israelite genetic, ethnic and cultural origins has been accepted even though the scriptures are flooded with proof that reveals otherwise. And, the Song of Solomon would be just one confirmation amidst many other records. Cont.

I did not phrase this correctly, however, the issue is that he represent this strange format.

The Deer, the Goblet & the Lily Bells—BLACK AFRICAN ORIGIN Solomon & the Beja, Part I In the past, I have had an intense debate and dialogue on the ancient book written by Solomon, THE SONGS OF SOLOMON, and presented a lot of detailed references. This book becomes extremely intense at times for me because I am a woman and Solomon’s writings are graphic, and from a man’s point-of-view. WHEW. At any rate, his book also becomes mind blowing and flattering to the affect that it takes a lot of emotional preparation in order to study it. No wonder I have never heard this book preached from the pulpit, or at least, that becomes my wonder. Something has gone wrong with the Black Church; to completely omit many aspects of the very Bible they claim to uphold. It has been a long time since I have expressed what might describe as ‘My Black Talk’. I have refrained from sharing this kind of research a lot because at times, I feel a deep sense of rejection that stems from, well, many Black African Americans. But because I also feel that there happens to be so much undercover Black Self-hatred going on in the world today amongst the Black and Brown people, I believe these kinds of ancient records need to be regarded because they might be kind of like a catharsis. Before I share this aspect of my research, I would like to say, that I thank my Creator for the Protestant Movement here in America because had it not been for them, White European people, I would never know about ancient Kemet. About 2000 years ago, the Black African world threw the ancient books down at the cross completely in exchange for the law of the Roman Empire. Today, many Black people seem to think that their sole conclusion on Black origins should be accepted without question and be believed without any presentation of past cross references, and that we today should consider their whims and their writings of which have no scientific methodology of confirmation. So, for now, the ancient records of this book about the very subject of Black Origins seems to be a great pathway to getting a better understanding of the past. But first, it should be important to present a brief introduction of the author, Solomon, the book itself, and the time period in which this book was dated. Introduction Brown is NOT the New Black Yes, I will say it LOUD! —I am BLACK & I’m Proud! —And I appreciate this modern-day Civil Rights’ Movement that has brought us African American Descendants of Slaves (DOS) a sense of identity and connection to our Black origins. However, every now and then, I believe that it should be important to acknowledge the historical past about some of our true ancestors or else we may lose sight of some realities about a distinction that surrounds the ever-present circumstances of COLORISM. Although I do identify as being both of African descent and ‘Black’ due to my Black cultural origins indeed, in truth, however, I am not ‘black skinned’ but brownish. And, unlike many other non-African people in the world who may also tie their genetic origins to an early Black African ancestor, however, as an African American DOS, my ‘Blackness’ would also be associated with a continual connection with some type of a Black African CULTURAL ROOT AND ETHNIC IDENTITY. Notwithstanding though, even today amongst many of us, technically, our physical presence as being BROWN is NOT the New Black of today. Although we share a common ancestral and cultural bond with our Black relatives and our origins, however, us Brown Negroes do not entirely replace or represent the distinct experiences of other true Black skinned African-typed people. Otherwise, the true essence, uniqueness and contribution of the truly Black skinned African people that have lived and died could be viewed as being extinct or even ‘not truly Black skinned[!?]’ [I’ve heard it all] and Brown skinned Africans such as myself would replace and misrepresent them as the New Black and that would be very disrespectful as the issue of Colorism means that Black skinned people have experienced a unique definition of this great evil altogether. And, we should NOT ignore this truth and then, expect to gain deliverance from our evil experience with regards to Racism, Colorism and White Supremacy. And so, for this reason do I passionately love to reflect on the ancient king of Israel, Solomon. Like most Black African Americans, I have heard it all about Solomon and whether he really existed or in how his book was ‘not about him’, but for now, this research concerns the content of the book presented on the subject of Black Origins. According to historical records that I have studied in college in my required Humanities class, the time period that Solomon was dated to live, the 900s BC, became termed as a Classical period and a lot of his writings became a part of other ‘later’ ancient civilizations long after he died. Solomon was born of David, the king of Israel and so, Solomon became the king of Israel after the death of David and, his rule over that Hebrew Israelite civilization was distinct apart from his father. Unlike David who made war campaigns, Solomon was a diplomatic ruler, one who made a lot of peace deals with other civilizations. However, when Solomon became older, he came to regret some of the peace deals that he made with respect to certain marriage contracts and this would be one of the reasons why Solomon wrote this book SONG OF SOLOMON (Canticles), which became described as one of the greatest written works of all time. For this reason, at times this book would also be titled The SONG OF SONGS. Solomon wrote this book, again, when he was old and did so, as if to ‘right a wrong’. In it, Solomon uses deep analogies upon which, without a deep understanding of certain scientific background, it would be impossible to understand how Solomon was able to anchor his writings and dispel a lot of later deception. Nevertheless, there has been an incredible intent to deceive and erase the true meaning of this book by the enemy. Like all of the other ancient writings, Solomon would also be defined as a scribe and ‘a prophet’ himself so, Solomon also prophesizes and gives extraordinary depth to prophecy that many people have not been able to grasp. Nevertheless, even though there have been many other books dated much later in time such as ‘the Wisdom of Solomon’, and presented as if they were the actual Solomon, however, it has been well proven now that such writings were published by someone else and long after Solomon had died. Because of the deepness of Solomon’s writings too, it would be impossible to completely decipher the fullness of this book in a short write-up, but nonetheless, this could possibly be regarded as a renewed focus. So, it becomes crucial to provide a terse preview about the entire book before it can be revealed for its’ awesome message. This whole book was written in the form of, a song, with verses that are sometimes repeated so as to emphasize certain aspects. Another feature about this book would be that, Solomon divided it up into two parts, sort of like book one (1) and then book two (2), and then he summarizes with repetition. Furthermore, both books are completely dependent upon each other. Book one, reinforces the meaning of Book two, and vice versa. And like all the other books written over the course of thousands of years showing distinct writing styles, these authors all crossed referenced their own publications with other references and Solomon did likewise. In other words, Solomon the prophet addressed the same subject matter that the more ancient prophet Moses wrote about and other prophets and also referenced other civilizations and, he provided more enhancements to subject matter that applied to his lifetime and enhancements to the prophecies of which still had not been fulfilled. Another major shock about this book would be that, although Solomon wrote this book about BLACK SKINNED HEBREW ISRAELITE FEMALES, in general, however, it actually revolves around one particular girl. Solomon wrote it about a specific girl and, amazingly so, this very girl became his wife!!!—or should I say, one of his wives. LOL. There are many written references on the internet and books about this Black skinned girl but, the information has been deceitfully suppressed. However, the other books in the Bible has also confirmed Solomon’s wife, and his recordings of her as well. In fact, there was an intense conflict that incredibly surrounded this very girl and the many entries about this, if put together in chronological format, presents a dramatic heart wrenching historical event. So, before I even go into the book, this very black skinned maiden, for which the entire book in the Bible revolves around, SONGS OF SOLOMON, was written about a girl named ABISHAG. Yes. And she was the very girl that was chosen to be a ‘nurse’ for Solomon’s father, the king David, when he became old and ill. The Bible details throughout many passages that were written by other Levite priest and in other books, that David could not generate enough body heat, so it was decided that a young virgin would be selected to lay in his bosom to help keep him warm. So then, the young Israelite men, of course, some of David’s own sons and princes happily took on the task of going out into the communities to find a young virgin girl to nurse the king of Israel, David. And in the book of the SONG OF SOLOMON, it becomes revealed how Solomon reacted when he first saw this girl, Abishag, and spoke with her in her home and community. He was overcome by her presence and he wrote about her in how she greeted him and responded to him. So then, it was Abishag of whom was selected to be David’s nurse maid. However, after David died, well, that would be when things really got ugly. Solomon and one of his older brother’s [half-brother] came into a deadly conflict over this very girl. Cont.

@Stefan Oh know, here you go with underhanded tactics. I have no idea of Diamond and Silk, nor will I waste my time trying to find out. It would be crazy for any Black American believer in truth to accept a Homosexual-pedophile 'black' president put on us through this government. My great grandmother was stolen from Africa when she was only 8 years old, don't mess with me about your belief in Obama. There is no program, even Obamacare that can affectively deal with this kind of origin for Afican American DOS.

So, okay, there is so much more to this dialogue, but what I saw later was that both you and Pioneer began to talk about END TIMES: "but why they were allowed to rule" "AND why they are STILL ruling despite various dates that claimed that their time of rulership was supposed to be up." "--I've heard that their time was up in 1914. I've heard their world or THE world was supposed to end in the year 2000 or before 2000. Then I heard 2012 was the Mayan prophecy for the old world to fall and a new one to rise. ..." --" And when will their rule REALLY come to an end? Those are the questions that have been on my mind for years." Aha! So there is a half-belief in Biblical prophecy. This then seems like a CONTRADICTION. So, there is a hope that this all powerful DIVINE POWER will get rid of White Supremacy and/or White people that 'WE CREATED'? So now, 'do we' want to get rid of them, and live happily ever after in an all-Black world—completely void of White people? Okay, this would be one of the last dramatic points that I read from you @Pioneer1: "...It appears that there seems to be a certain "type" of AfroAmerican or African in general that Caucasians can't seem to even touch let alone harm no matter how hard they try. We've all met these type of people who seem to be able to get away with doing or saying anything…" I agree with KAREEM in that some of the Blacks that are protected to further the cause of White Supremacy will also be abandoned or attacked, based on the relativity of the issue. Bill lCosby was never a threat until a certain point that many White females became victims. Then his ‘Black righteous movement’ was thrown down. But up until that point, he was secretly supporting White Supremacy. They knew he had a fetish for White women, but when he began to oppress these women and abused them so badly…, then the government dropped him. Again you said: why The Divine protects them to such an extent that they are never harmed Pioneer, LOL. YOU ARE DOING JUST FINE! You just keep on speaking against Jesus and the Jews ‘NOT BEING ORIGINALLY BLACK’ and SOLOMON being White Caucasian and no White person will ever bother you! You’ve found the secret to success in America, you are on your way to making big bucks! LOL. But the fella that started this thread may have you beat on that score. LIke you, he stated that all of the Hebrew Israelites of ancient script are mythological.

Pioneer says: [paraphrazing]: --Central Asia and that's why that mountain region is called the "Caucasus mountains". -- Great walls and other barriers were built to keep them in. -- They stayed in that condition for 2,000 years and turned into straight savages and then Moses and a crew was sent up from Kemet (ancient Egypt) to civilize them ---4000 B.C. Caucasians come into existence -2000 B.C. Moses and his men are sent up to civilize them Moses was not born at this time. Moses would not be born until hundreds of years later after 2000 BC. Also, the Caucasus mountains and 'CENTRAL ASIA' are two different geographic areas. I don't even know how to address the thought that people would be confined behind a wall for 2000 years with no contact with other civilizations all around them. @Pioneer1 said: [paraphrasing]: -1500 B.C. after a few centuries of being civilized and organized they began to leave the mountains and conquere the rest of the world like Sumer, India, and Africa and eventually the Americas and Australia. 1500 BC, -- By this time Sumer had already been conquered hundredds of years prior. India being conquered--What a thought? @Kareem You said, "I don't know if you meant to open this Pandora's Box. But what do you mean "c[a]me into existence?" and then PIoneer stated "Yes sir, I believe they were MADE from our people through a process of selective breeding. So, the origin of CAUCASIANS are then BLACK AFRICAN. But somehow, they BE-CAME into existence and were WHITE. That means that THE ORIGINAL CAUCASIANS WERE BLACK AFRICAN. Pioneer: "... but were made from the Dravidic (south Indian) branch." So then not all YDNA stems from African origins? And Pioneer goes against the scientist of today that make this scientific claim of one origin for YDNA--Black Africa? Pioneer states that 'Dravidic Indians and Caucasians are originally DARK BROWN MEN with their own YDNA with no origins from BLACK AFRICA.' So, the historical records all over India today about their ancient BLACK, straight haired Indians are wrong? Their ancient scripts and Art form of carvings and depictions of BLACK East INDIANS are a mistake?

@Kareem you posed that question and Pioneer addressed it [paraphrasing]: He is saying some Caucasians look African-ish, Black-ish because of White Caucasian women were intermixed with BLACK AFRICAN MEN—but where and when did this happen? At the time of Moses? Pioneers time period reference is "in the cave-man days of the Caucasian" However, ‘cave-man days’ would be way before the time of Moses and the term ‘Caucasian’ is not used to define the caveman period. Pioneer said: "I used to believe the original Jews were Black… Original Jews were for the most part Caucasians. However, the Biblical timeline for the Original Jews stem from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob [Israel], and then Judah and some of his brothers. At this time period, between 2000 BC to 1800s BC the term Caucasian would not define the Jews at all. @Pioneer1 says: "Now the original HEBREWS were/are African and they still exist as the Ibo tribe in Nigeria." And, then, "But Jews and Hebrews aren't the same." This is extremely misleading. The very definition of their origins stipulates that they are the same in their original formations. The Jews are also defined as the original Hebrews and it was more than a thousand years since their cultural origins that their was a division and then more than thousands of years later after that the Ibo people of Africa became defined for a significant JEW PRESENCE. I can understand this aspect of the Ibo as one of my ancestors was stolen from this area of the Slave Coast in West Africa. But these Jews presence was not known until some time after the downfall of the Ghana Empire.

Well, I agree with what you said, partially, in that, "The Israelis today claim to be Ashkenazis and the chosen people of God. But their own Torah (Old Testament) says they are "gentiles" in those aforementioned verses You mind talking more about our journeys into the Caucasus? . I'm trying to draw a timeline to understand this better." Pioneers definition of CAUCASIAN absolutely fits today's world, but it is also completely admitted by scholars today, in that the term for White Europeans in these modern times as being CAUCASIAN stems from a movement. This term revolves around 'a racial construct', from what I can see but this term originally did not apply to White people. I think one of the best examples in this movement may from my research might be understood with a comparison to another term. What do you think about or imagine when you hear the term to refer to SOUTH AFRICANS? Today, we know that this term CAN apply to White Europeans who have been a part of South African for many decades since the Colonial times, however, the ORIGINAL SOUTH AFRICANS still exist in South Africa amongst these White 'SOUTH AFRICANS'. The origins of the White 'SOUTH AFRICANS' does NOT directly stem from all of the White Europeans intermixing 'sexually' with these Africans, but they migrated down into South Africa and dominated over the original South Africans. This modern RACIAL CONSTRUCT OF TODAY'S 'SOUTH AFRICANS' [White] would absolutely not define their origins as steming directly from sexual selection with the Black indigenous South Africans who also came to be in South Africa at a much earlier time. So, the origins of the ORIGINAL CAUCASIANS becomes relative to a certain time period in how they came to exist and then yes, intermix with White people who now are called CAUCASIANS. But as PIoneer did reply, he does not really believe this process in the way that I have explained it, however, he does contradict himself, IMO, but he won't admit it.

@Kareem I saw this comment back in January 31, when you posted but, I have just now returned. I wanted to comment back then, but now that I've returned, I see that there is a whole lot of dialogue between you and Pioneer on other subjects that has clouded my initial intention to respond to what was the earlier topic. So, because you tagged me, and I have read some of the dialogue, I am passionate to respond to some of the comments. Although I can see that you directed your questions and statements to Pioneer and on some of this topic, I have been in a debate with Pioneer and we have disagreed, I want you to know that I understand that this dialogue does not include me. Nevertheless, I still want to comment on some of what was stated about the topic addressed. Some where earlier, you address the subject of 'CAUCASIAN ORIGINS' to @Pioneer1 and so, I am going to go back and interject and throw my findings in on this topic because I am passionate about this topic as it relates to Black origins and how we today, all over the world, have been influenced by this subject. I read over some of the dialogue and IMO, some of the conclusions seem vague and opinionated, so, I too want to give my opinions based on my experiences as a Black AFrican American on the subject of how 'Caucasian people' have influenced me. So here, @Kareem You addressed this comment to Pioneer in his definition of CAUCASIANS being JEWS. And you reference the KJV of the Bible. Then Pioneer responded [paraphrasing] that there are different kinds of CAUCASIANS and that the JEWS are just one branch of CAUCASIAN:

But absolutely not for my benefit. African Americans like myself were completely destroyed financially as a result of this ACA. I would absolutely believe though, that it has helped a certain class of Black Americans though, we have definitely been divided by American policies. Universal Healthcare!? Sort of like 'Rome going out to tax the whole world'. I believe in good intentions though.

This is a delayed reaction-- I would have never thought in a million years that two African American men had something to do with the kind of music that the Rolling Stones played.

Okay, WOW! I am going to make a notebook to keep up with this information. Thank you @Mel Hopkins I am going to break this down and digest this. OMGOSH! I can understand this.

@Maurice WOW! That was CRAZY GOOD! Thank you for posting. All of this was before my time, I was too young to know all about these times, yet, I've always wondered. It was only a few years ago that I even heard about STAX even though I remember many of the artist and loved the music. I was shocked to learn, here, that Aretha Franklin was associated with this company! Man! And yes, that she was born in Memphis!? I did not realize how Otis Redding tied into all of this history just before Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated. I think I'll be playing his hit today, all day! I am not sure whether it's Nashville or Memphis, but I was also surprised, years back, when I learned that Tina Turner was actually born in Tennesee! I learned a lot in this documentary!

Yes, his name was Robert Johnson. I think he also influenced Elmore James. Not much is written about Robert Johnson but the article I read said that he became sort of like a legend.

@Maurice I did read up a little on Jones, and yes, it is very fascinating history! WOW. I also learned about the two Blues musicians that influence him from Mississippi--never heard of them either. This is the kind of story that I'd love to see in a film documentary. Amazing! @Kareem I love that Victory album, but because I am not well versed on the details, I don't know what you are referring to. I don't know about the other song ofn the Torture album either. Lol! No way! I never seen that video, but I loved it! It was very stylish and not gaudy at all. NO! LOL! Nice pic though! There's six of them. I recognize Michael only! The music is very nice. Wasn't Jermaine the one really good on guitar? Is Mick Jagger playing in this recording? Really!? Well, I remember how I would play that song, ring my bell, over and over and over again! I still love that song!

@Maurice WOW! This is new to me. Yes, I will read up on Brian Jones. So, he formed the band and named the band; that's interesting.